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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GtoRA2 on November 08, 2004, 01:33:25 PM
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From the moore mailing list.
Dear Friends,
Ok, it sucks. Really sucks. But before you go and cash it all in, let's, in
the words of Monty Python, 'always look on the bright side of life!' There
IS some good news from Tuesday's election.
Here are 17 reasons not to slit your wrists:
1. It is against the law for George W. Bush to run for president again.
2. Bush's victory was the NARROWEST win for a sitting president since
Woodrow Wilson in 1916.
3. The only age group in which the majority voted for Kerry was young adults
(Kerry: 54%, Bush: 44%), proving once again that your parents are always
wrong and you should never listen to them.
4. In spite of Bush's win, the majority of Americans still think the
country is headed in the wrong direction (56%), think the war wasn't worth fighting (51%), and don't approve of the job George W. Bush is doing (52%). (Note to foreigners: Don't try to figure this one out. It's an American thing, like Pop Tarts.)
5. The Republicans will not have a filibuster-proof 60-seat majority in the
Senate. If the Democrats do their job, Bush won't be able to pack the
Supreme Court with right-wing ideologues. Did I say "if the Democrats do
their job?" Um, maybe better to scratch this one.
6. Michigan voted for Kerry! So did the entire Northeast, the birthplace of
our democracy. So did 6 of the 8 Great Lakes States. And the whole West
Coast! Plus Hawaii. Ok, that's a start. We've got most of the fresh water,
all of Broadway, and Mt. St. Helens. We can dehydrate them or bury them in
lava. And no more show tunes!
7. Once again we are reminded that the buckeye is a nut, and not just any
old nut -- a poisonous nut. A great nation was felled by a poisonous nut.
May Ohio State pay dearly this Saturday when it faces Michigan.
8. 88% of Bush's support came from white voters. In 50 years, America will
no longer have a white majority. Hey, 50 years isn't such a long time! If
you're ten years old and reading this, your golden years will be truly
golden and you will be well cared for in your old age.
9. Gays, thanks to the ballot measures passed on Tuesday, cannot get married
in 11 new states. Thank God. Just think of all those wedding gifts we won't
have to buy now.
10. Five more African Americans were elected as members of Congress,
including the return of Cynthia McKinney of Georgia. It's always good to
have more blacks in there fighting for us and doing the job our candidates
can't.
11. The CEO of Coors was defeated for Senate in Colorado. Drink up!
12. Admit it: We like the Bush twins and we don't want them to go away.
13. At the state legislative level, Democrats picked up a net of at least 3
chambers in Tuesday's elections. Of the 98 partisan-controlled state
legislative chambers (house/assembly and senate), Democrats went into the
2004 elections in control of 44 chambers, Republicans controlled 53
chambers, and 1 chamber was tied. After Tuesday, Democrats now control 47
chambers, Republicans control 49 chambers, 1 chamber is tied and 1 chamber
(Montana House) is still undecided.
14. Bush is now a lame duck president. He will have no greater moment than
the one he's having this week. It's all downhill for him from here on out --
and, more significantly, he's just not going to want to do all the hard work
that will be expected of him. It'll be like everyone's last month in 12th
grade -- you've already made it, so it's party time! Perhaps he'll treat the
next four years like a permanent Friday, spending even more time at the
ranch or in Kennebunkport. And why shouldn't he? He's already proved his
point, avenged his father and kicked our ass.
15. Should Bush decide to show up to work and take this country down a very
dark road, it is also just as likely that either of the following two
scenarios will happen: a) Now that he doesn't ever need to pander to the
Christian conservatives again to get elected, someone may whisper in his ear
that he should spend these last four years building "a legacy" so that
history will render a kinder verdict on him and thus he will not push for
too aggressive a right-wing agenda; or b) He will become so cocky and
arrogant -- and thus, reckless -- that he will commit a blunder of such
major proportions that even his own party will have to remove him from
office.
16. There are nearly 300 million Americans -- 200 million of them of voting
age. We only lost by three and a half million! That's not a landslide -- it
means we're almost there. Imagine losing by 20 million. If you had 58 yards
to go before you reached the goal line and then you barreled down 55 of
those yards, would you stop on the three yard line, pick up the ball and go
home crying -- especially when you get to start the next down on the three
yard line? Of course not! Buck up! Have hope! More sports analogies are
coming!!!
17. Finally and most importantly, over 55 million Americans voted for the
candidate dubbed "The #1 Liberal in the Senate." That's more than the total
number of voters who voted for either Reagan, Bush I, Clinton or Gore.
Again, more people voted for Kerry than Reagan. If the media are looking for
a trend it should be this -- that so many Americans were, for the first time
since Kennedy, willing to vote for an out-and-out liberal. The country has
always been filled with evangelicals -- that is not news. What IS news is
that so many people have shifted toward a Massachusetts liberal. In fact,
that's BIG news. Which means, don't expect the mainstream media, the ones
who brought you the Iraq War, to ever report the real truth about November
2, 2004. In fact, it's better that they don't. We'll need the element of
surprise in 2008.
Feeling better? I hope so. As my friend Mort wrote me yesterday, "My
Romanian grandfather used to say to me, 'Remember, Morton, this is such a
wonderful country -- it doesn't even need a president!'"
But it needs us. Rest up, I'll write you again tomorrow.
Yours,
Michael Moore
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Kinda sad anyone listens to this guy....
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I got that too, I didn't read it all.
But at the end there was a list of all the KIA in Iraq in my version.
-SW
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Was yours from his mailing list?
Mine was lol.
No list for mine.
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I think Mike has enough dinero now to get over it.
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I do not h ave much respect for moore, but I do think he is in it for more then money.
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No, it was forwarded to me. I truncated the list a lot, but here's 1/3rd of it.
Jr.,
Master Sgt. William L. Payne, S gt. Michael F. Pedersen, Staff Sgt.
Abraham
D. Penamedina, Spc. Brian H. noodleten, Sgt. Ross A. Pennanen, Staff
Sgt.
Gregory V. Pennington, Pfc. Geoffrey Perez, Staff Sgt. Hector R. Perez,
Sgt.
Joel Perez, Spc. Jose A. Perez III, Pfc. Luis A. Perez, Lance Cpl.
Nicholas
Perez.
Spc. Wilfredo Perez Jr., Petty Officer 1st Class Michael J. Pernaselli,
Staff Sgt. David S. Perry, Pfc. Charles C. Persing, Staff Sgt. Dustin
W.
Peters, Spc. Alyssa R. Peterson, Staff Sgt. Brett J. Petriken, Staff
Sgt.
James L. Pettaway Jr., Staff Sgt. Erickson H. Petty, Pfc. Jerrick M.
Petty,
Lt. Col. Mark P. Phelan, Pfc. Chance R. Phelps, Sgt. 1st Class Gladimir
Philippe, Sgt. Ivory L. Phipps, Capt. Pierre E. Piche, Pfc. Lori
Piestewa,
Capt. Dennis L. Pintor, Spc. James H. Pirtle, Pfc. Jason T. Poindexter,
2nd
Lt. Frederick E. Pokorney Jr., Staff Sgt. Andrew R. Pokorny, Spc.
Justin W.
Pollard, Spc. Larry E. Polley Jr., Sgt. Darrin K. Potter, Pfc. David L.
Potter, Sgt. Christopher S. Potts, Spc. James E. Powell, Lance Cpl.
Caleb J.
Powers, Cpl. Dean P. Pratt, Pfc. James E. Prevete, Pvt. Kelley S.
Prewitt,
Sgt. Tyler D. Prewitt, Pfc. James W. Price, 1st Lt. Timothy E. Price,
Lance
Cpl. Mathew D. Puckett, Sgt. Jaror C. Puello- Coronado, Staff Sgt.
Michael
B. Quinn, Staff Sgt. Richard P. Ramey, Sgt. Christopher Ramirez, Spc.
Eric
U. Ramirez, Pfc. William C. Ramirez, Pfc. Christopher Ramos, Spc.
Tamarra J.
Ramos, Pfc. Brandon Ramsey, Pvt. Carson J. Ramsey, Sgt. Edmond L.
Randle,
Pfc. Cleston C. Raney, Capt. Gregory A. Ratzlaff, Spc. Rel A. Ravago
IV,
Spc. Omead H. Razani.
Spc. Brandon M. Read, Pfc. Christopher J. Reed, Pfc. Ryan E. Reed, Sgt.
Tatjana Reed, Staff Sgt. Aaron T. Reese, Spc. Jeremy F. Regnier, Sgt.
1st
Class Randall S. Rehn, Sgt. Brendon C. Reiss, Staff Sgt. George S.
Rentschler, Sgt. Sean C. Reynolds, Lance Cpl. Rafael Reynosa- Suarez,
Sgt.
Yadir G. Reynoso, Cpl. Demetrius L. Rice, Sgt. Ariel Rico, Spc. Jeremy
L.
Ridlen, Pfc. Diego Fernando Rincon, Cpl. Steven A. Rintamaki, Sgt.
Duane R.
Rios, Capt. Russell B. Rippetoe, Pfc. Henry C. Risner, Sgt. 1st Class
Jose
A. Rivera, Cpl. John T. Rivero, Spc. Frank K. Rivers Jr., Sgt. Thomas
D.
Robbins, Sgt. Todd J. Robbins, Lance Cpl. Anthony P. Roberts, Lance
Cpl. Bob
W. Roberts, Spc. Robert D. Roberts, Staff Sgt. Joseph E. Robsky, Sgt.
Moses
D. Rocha, Pfc. Marlin T. Rockhold, Pfc. Jose Francis Gonzalez
Rodriguez,
Cpl. Robert M. Rodriguez, Spc. Philip G. Rogers, Sgt. 1st Class Robert
E.
Rooney, Cpl. Randal Kent Rosacker, Staff Sgt. Victor A. Rosales, Pfc.
Richard H. Rosas, Sgt. Scott C. Ro se, Sgt. Thomas C. Rosenbaum, Sgt.
Randy
S. Rosenberg, Spc. Marco D. Ross, Sgt. Lawrence A. Roukey, Capt. Alan
Rowe,
Spc. Brandon J. Rowe, Sgt. Roger D. Rowe, 2nd Lt. Jonathan D. Rozier,
Spc.
Isela Rubalcava, Pfc. Aaron J. Rusin, Sgt. John W. Russell.
1st Lt. Timothy Louis Ryan, Chief Warrant Officer Scott A. Saboe, Spc.
Rasheed Sahib, Cpl. Rudy Salas, Cpl. William I. Salazar, 1st Lt. Edward
M.
Saltz, Capt. Benjamin W. Sammis, Spc. Sonny G. Sampler, Spc. Gregory P.
Sanders, Pfc. Leroy Sandoval Jr., Spc. Matthew J. Sandri, Staff Sgt.
Barry
Sanford, 1st Lt. Neil Anthony Santoriello, Spc. Jonathan J. Santos,
Pfc.
Brandon R. Sapp, Staff Sgt. Cameron B. Sarno, Staff Sgt. Scott D.
Sather,
Lance Cpl. Jeremiah E. Savage, Capt. Robert C. Scheetz Jr., Spc. Justin
B.
Schmidt, Spc. Jeremiah W. Schmunk, Pfc. Sean M. Schneider, Cpl. Dustin
H.
Schrage, Maj. Mathew E. Schram, Lance Cpl. Brian K. Schramm, Spc.
Christian
C. Schulz, Master Sgt. David A. Scott, Pfc. Kerry D. Scott, Spc.
Stephen M.
Scott, Spc. Marc S. Seiden, Capt. Christopher Scott Seifert, Pfc.
Dustin M.
Sekula, Lance Cpl. Matthew K. Serio, Sgt. Juan M. Serrano, Staff Sgt.
Wentz
Jerome Henry Shanaberger III, Spc. Jeffrey R. Shaver, Maj. Kevin M.
Shea,
Spc. Casey Sheehan, Sgt . Kevin F. Sheehan, Sgt. Daniel Michael
Shepherd,
Sgt. Alan D. Sherman, Lt. Col. Anthony L. Sherman, Pfc. Harry N.
Shondee
Jr., Lance Cpl. Brad S. Shuder, Capt. James A. Shull, Pfc. Kenneth L.
Sickels, Lance Cpl. Dustin L. Sides, Cpl. Erik H. Silva, Pvt. Sean A.
Silva,
Sgt. Leonard D. Simmons.
Pfc. Charles M. Sims, Lance Cpl. John T. Sims Jr., Spc. Uday Singh,
Spc.
Aaron J. Sissel, Pfc. Christopher A. Sisson, Pfc. Nicholas M. Skinner,
Petty
Officer 3rd Class David Sisung, 1st Lt. Brian D. Slavenas, Pvt. Brandon
Ulysses Sloan, Lance Cpl. Richard P. Slocum, Lance Cpl. Thomas J.
Slocum,
Pfc. Corey L. Small, Sgt. Keith L. Smette, Capt. Benedict J. Smith,
Sgt.
Benjamin K. Smith, Pfc. Brandon C. Smith, 2nd Lt. Brian D. Smith, Chief
Warrant Officer Bruce A. Smith, Cpl. Darrell L. Smith, 1st Sgt. Edward
Smith, Chief Warrant Officer Eric A. Smith, Pfc. Jeremiah D. Smith,
Lance
Cpl. Matthew R. Smith, Lance Cpl. Michael J. Smith Jr., Spc. Orenthial
J.
Smith, Sgt. 1st Class Paul R. Smith, Capt. Christopher F. Soelzer, Sgt.
Roderic A. Solomon, Cpl. Adrian V. Soltau, Maj. Charles R. Soltes Jr.,
Sgt.
Skipper Soram, Pfc. Armando Soriano, Cpl. Tomas Sotelo Jr., Pfc.
Kenneth C.
Souslin, Spc. Philip I. Spakosky, Pfc. Jason L. Sparks, Cpl. Michael R.
Speer, Staff Sgt. Trevor Spink, Ma j. Christopher J. Splinter, Sgt.
Marvin
R. Sprayberry III, Pvt. Bryan N. Spry, Sgt. Maj. Michael B. Stack, Pfc.
Nathan E. Stahl, 1st Lt. Andrew K. Stern, Staff Sgt. Robert A. Stever,
Maj.
Gregory Stone, 2nd Lt. Matthew R. Stovall, Pfc. William R. Strange,
Sgt.
Kirk Allen Straseskie, Pfc. Brandon C. Sturdy.
Spc. William R. Sturges Jr., Spc. Paul J. Sturino, Lance Cpl. Jesus A.
Suarez Del Solar, Spc. Joseph D. Suell, Spc. John R. Sullivan, Spc.
Narson
B. Sullivan, Lance Cpl. Vincent M. Sullivan, Staff Sgt. Michael J.
Sutter,
Pfc. Ernest Harold Sutphin, Chief Warrant Officer Sharon T. Swartworth,
Spc.
Thomas J. Sweet II, Staff Sgt. Christopher W. Swisher, Maj. Paul R.
Syverson
III, Sgt. Patrick S. Tainsh, Sgt. DeForest L. Talbert, Sgt. 1st Class
Linda
Ann Tarango-Griess, Spc. Christopher M. Taylor, Maj. Mark D. Taylor,
Capt.
John R. Teal, Staff Sgt. Riayan A. Tejeda, Lance Cpl. Jason Andrew
Tetrault,
Spc. Joseph C. Thibodeaux, Master Sgt. Thomas R. Thigpen Sr., Cpl.
Jesse L.
Thiry, Sgt. Carl Thomas, Staff Sgt. Kendall Thomas, Spc. Kyle G.
Thomas,
Sgt. Anthony O. Thompson, Spc. Jarrett B. Thompson, Sgt. Humberto F.
Timoteo, Capt. John E. Tipton, Pfc. Joshua K. Titcomb, Spc. Brandon T.
Titus, Spc. Brandon S. Tobler, Sgt. Lee D. TodacheeneCpl. John H. Todd
III,
Sgt. Nicholas A. Tomko , Master Sgt. Timothy Toney, Pfc. George D.
Torres,
Lance Cpl. Michael S. Torres, 2nd Lt. Richard Torres, Spc. Ramon Reyes
Torres, Lance Cpl. Elias Torrez III, Sgt. Michael L. Tosto, Spc.
Richard K.
Trevithick, Pfc. Andrew L. Tuazon, Staff Sgt. Roger C. Turner Jr., Pvt.
Scott M. Tyrrell, 2nd Lt. Andre D. Tyson, Spc. Eugene A. Uhl III, Lance
Cpl.
Drew M. Uhles.
Rick A. Ulbright, Pfc. Daniel P. Unger, Spc. Robert Oliver Unruh, 1st
Sgt.
Ernest E. Utt, Sgt. Michael A. Uvanni, Staff Sgt. Gary A. Vaillant,
Lance
Cpl. Ruben Valdez Jr., Sgt. Melissa Valles, Spc. Allen J. Vandayburg,
Spc.
Josiah H. Vandertulip, Chief Warrant Officer Brian K. Van Dusen, Lance
Cpl.
John J. Vangyzen IV, Lance Cpl. Gary F. Van Leuven, Staff Sgt. Mark D.
Vasquez, Spc. Frances M. Vega, 1st Lt. Michael W. Vega, Staff Sgt. Paul
A.
Velazquez, Cpl. David M. Vicente, Sgt. 1st Class Joselito O.
Villanueva,
Cpl. Scott M. Vincent, Staff Sgt. Kimberly A. Voelz, Staff Sgt. Michael
S.
Voss, Spc. Thai Vue, Lance Cpl. Michael B. Wafford, Sgt. Christopher A.
Wagener, Sgt. Gregory L. Wahl, Staff Sgt. Allan K. Walker, Sgt. Jeffery
C.
Walker, Sgt. Donald Ralph Walters, Pvt. Jason M. Ward, Pfc. Nachez
Washalanta, Lance Cpl. Christopher B. Wasser, Pvt. David L. Waters,
Staff
Sgt. Kendall Damon Waters-Bey, Maj. William R. Watkins III, Petty
Officer
2nd Class Christopher E. Watts, Ch ief Warrant Officer Aaron A. Weaver,
Spc.
Michael S. Weger, Staff Sgt. David J. Weisenburg, Spc. Douglas J.
Weismantle, Pfc. Michael Russell Creighton Weldon, Lance Cpl. Larry L.
Wells, Chief Warrant Officer Stephen M. Wells, Spc. Jeffrey M. Wershow,
Spc.
Christopher J. Rivera Wesley, Sgt. James G. West, 1st Lt. Alexander E.
Wetherbee, Spc. Donald L. Wheeler, Sgt. Mason Douglas Whetstone, Pfc.
Marquis A. Whitaker.
Staff Sgt. Aaron Dean White, Lt. Nathan D. White, Sgt. Steven W. White,
Lance Cpl. William W. White, Pfc. Joey D. Whitener, Spc. Chase R.
Whitman,
Spc. Michael J. Wiesemann, Cpl. Joshua S. Wilfong, Sgt. Eugene
Williams,
Lance Cpl. Michael J. Williams, Spc. Michael L. Williams, Sgt. Taft V.
Williams, 1st Lt. Charles L. Wilkins III, Sgt. 1st Class Christopher R.
Willoughby, Spc. Dana N. Wilson, Command Sgt. Maj. Jerry L. Wilson,
Staff
Sgt. Joe N. Wilson, Lance Cpl. Lamont N. Wilson, Lance Cpl. Nicholas
Wilt,
1st Lt. Ronald Winchester, Spc. Trevor A. Wine, Lance Cpl. William J.
Wiscowiche, Spc. Robert A. Wise, Spc. Michelle M. Witmer, Pfc. Owen D.
Witt,
Spc. James R. Wolf, 2nd Lt. Jeremy L. Wolfe, Sgt. Elijah Tai Wah Wong,
Sgt.
Brian M. Wood, Capt. George A. Wood, Spc. Michael R. Woodliff, Spc.
James C.
Wright, Pfc. Jason G. Wright, 2nd Lt. John T. Wroblewski, Lance Cpl.
Daniel
R. Wyatt, Pfc. Stephen E. Wyatt, Sgt. Michael E. Yashinski, Sgt. Henry
Ybarra III, Pfc. Rodricka A. Yo umans, Sgt. Ryan C. Young, Lance Cpl.
Andrew
J. Zabierek, Spc. Nicholas J. Zangara, Spc. Mark Anthony Zapata, Pfc.
Nicholaus E. Zimmer, Cpl. Ian T. Zook, Lance Cpl. Robert P. Zurheide
Jr.
May they rest in peace.
And may they forgive us someday.
-- Michael Moore
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I couldn't read much of it.
It didn't take long to see it was written by an idiot FOR idiots.
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His web site doesn't list the names of fallen soldiers with the message wulfie. I think that got added for special sentimental affect. After all, that's why those soldiers died... to be used as an exclamation point when Michael More writes a message of the day.
As for what was quoted, I actually went to the http://www.michaelmoore.com website to make sure it was actually something that he wrote. I simply could not believe that he wrote something that stupid. I was wrong.
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It's hard for him to write through all the depression and wracking sobs.
lazs
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the names of those servicemen are precisely why I voted for Bush and against kerry. Bush will see the mission through, making their sacrifice honorable whereas kerry would have surely pulled the rug out (again) from under the feet of our soldiers in battle making their sacrifice truly wasteful.
kerry losing this election was the greatest american achievement I have ever participated in and I am justifiably PROUD of it!
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Mini
LOL it came from the mailing list I signed up for on his site.
Not that I like his message, but I wanted to see what he would say after the election.
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No offense... but this is the internet.
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None taken, you are right, and wulfie kinda proved it with the added KIA thing.
Still sad drivel from the head propagandist of the left.
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1 good reason to slit your wrist
you listen to micheal moore
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the dumbacrat that blew his brains out at ground zero had it right ...
we should supply a one way ticket to NY for those that want to follow that winners shining example ... can't figure out a more economical way to cleanse the gene pool of such morons...
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Shotguns? Razor blades? I always thought setting yourself on fire was a lot more attention getting. If Moore would douse himself with gas and light up he'd get more respect from me and maybe a few followers to boot.
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Written by an idiot for idiots.... Great line.
Can't he afford a shave and a haircut yet?
Michael Moore is irrelevant now...he made his ton of money and it's time for the Dems to move AWAY from the radicals and join with the Republicans as Americans.
Let's get it right this time!
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If Bush lost the election - I would have enjoyed hearing about Fat Mike getting seriously injured (Maybe Killed) in a mysterious car accident. By the way - since W won the election how come Cher, Lynn Redgrave, and Barabara Streisand haven't moved out of the country as they promised? It's not like they don't have enough money. :D
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Originally posted by EN4CER
It's not like they don't have enough money. :D
they wont once its converted to canadian.
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It all comes down to whether you want an increased minimum wage, affordable healthcare, college for everyone, and an end to diabetes, paralysis, & alzheimers
or whether you want gays to be single and women to not have the choice to abort there babies.
But it doesn't affect me much either way, I'm college educated, have healthcare, and don't have diabetes, paralysis or alzheimers.
But there are alot of folks that it does effect.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
It all comes down to whether you want an increased minimum wage, affordable healthcare, college for everyone, and an end to diabetes, paralysis, & alzheimers
or whether you want gays to be single and women to not have the choice to abort there babies.
But it doesn't affect me much either way, I'm college educated, have healthcare, and don't have diabetes, paralysis or alzheimers.
But there are alot of folks that it does effect.
What is this "it" you are referring to? You are aware that the election is over for another 4 years, right?
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Heh, I guess I shouldn't allowed outdoors without a helmet. I actually found it to be mildly amusing. Whether it was factual or not, I wouldn't care to guess, but I won't be taking it as gospel so it's not all that important.
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SunTracker
If you believe what you posted you sadly nieve.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
It all comes down to whether you want an increased minimum wage, affordable healthcare, college for everyone, and an end to diabetes, paralysis, & alzheimers
or whether you want gays to be single and women to not have the choice to abort there babies.
But it doesn't affect me much either way, I'm college educated, have healthcare, and don't have diabetes, paralysis or alzheimers.
But there are alot of folks that it does effect.
:rofl :rofl
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Grun!
Email me at gtora2@gmail.com
Lost the paper I wrote your email on!
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Kinda sad anyone listens to this guy....
Though not as sad as having to listen to this guy.
"It's hard work. It's incredibly hard. It's the hardest decision a president makes. There's a lot of good people working hard. There's a lot of really good people working hard to do so. It's hard work. And it's hard work. I understand how hard it is. I see on the TV screens how hard it is. The plan says we'll train Iraqi soldiers so they can do the hard work, and we are. It is hard work. It is hard work to go from a tyranny to a democracy.
It's hard work to go from a place where people get their hands cut off, or executed, to a place where people are free. You know, my hardest - the hardest part of the job is to know that I committed the troops in harm's way and then do the best I can to provide comfort for the loved ones who lost a son or a daughter or a husband or wife. You know, it's hard work to try to love her as best as I can, knowing full well that the decision I made caused her loved one to be in harm's way. It's hard work.
Everybody knows it's hard work. I understand how hard it is to commit troops. I appreciate the fact that his daughters have been so kind to my daughters in what has been a pretty hard experience for, I guess, young girls, seeing their dads out there campaigning. Vladimir is going to have to make some hard choices. We've done a lot of hard work together over the last three and a half years."
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Yeager
the names of those servicemen are precisely why I voted for Bush and against kerry. Bush will see the mission through, making their sacrifice honorable whereas kerry would have surely pulled the rug out (again) from under the feet of our soldiers in battle making their sacrifice truly wasteful.
kerry losing this election was the greatest american achievement I have ever participated in and I am justifiably PROUD of it!
LOL
That you actualy believe this tripe just shows how far the propaganda hooks are into you.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Shotguns? Razor blades? I always thought setting yourself on fire was a lot more attention getting. If Moore would douse himself with gas and light up he'd get more respect from me and maybe a few followers to boot.
Heh. With all that fat he'd burn for a week!
Put THAT on pay-for-view. I'd watch it.
:D
Wab
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It is tripe. I don't think many out there believe MM is the real deal. He's like a clone of Rush Limbaugh only to the left ( Rush's bastard brother??). He's an opportunist and forgetable.
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florida increased it's min wage, you really don't need the FEDERAL govt to do every thing for you, if you want to change the law do it, don't sit around crying about it.
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Originally posted by Karnak
LOL
That you actualy believe this tripe just shows how far the propaganda hooks are into you.
It is amazing, people seem to lack any thought or opinion themselves and just resort to repeating the campaign advertising messages.
Funny when a reporter asks, why are you votiing for Bush and they just repeat the same reasons that's currently doing the rounds in the media or what Bush or Kerry are saying.
One wonders if an election is like a jury they don't decide on who's best for the job as president but simply who had the best campaign and advertising.
As for the sacrafice and seeing the mission through, what ever mission that is. It was a waste from the very begining of a single life let alone the 1000 or so coalition (of the unwilling) casualties and the 10,000's iraqi civilians. As the war itself is wrong and totally unjustified.
...-Gixer
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Gixer, Its 10,000 total deaths
about 4000 are civilians(most killed by insurgents)
5000 are Iraq solders and terrorist/insurgents
and a little over a thousand of our troops.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
From the moore mailing list.
2. Bush's victory was the NARROWEST win for a sitting president since
Woodrow Wilson in 1916.
Michael Moore
1976+++++++++++++
Jimmy Carter
pop votes 40,830,763
297
Gerald Ford
pop votes 39,147,793
240
2004+++++++++
George W Bush
pop votes 59,459,351
286
John Kerry
pop votes 55,950,097
252
:rolleyes:
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gixer, i think your sheep need tending.
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Originally posted by Gixer
It is amazing, people seem to lack any thought or opinion themselves and just resort to repeating the campaign advertising messages.
Funny when a reporter asks, why are you votiing for Bush and they just repeat the same reasons that's currently doing the rounds in the media or what Bush or Kerry are saying.
One wonders if an election is like a jury they don't decide on who's best for the job as president but simply who had the best campaign and advertising.
As for the sacrafice and seeing the mission through, what ever mission that is. It was a waste from the very begining of a single life let alone the 1000 or so coalition (of the unwilling) casualties and the 10,000's iraqi civilians. As the war itself is wrong and totally unjustified.
...-Gixer
So what experience have you had with 3rd world countries gixer, ever been to one, ever talked to survivors of genocidal regimes?
Or are you resorting to repeating the campaign advertising messages you pick up from the greenies?
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Irrelevent=
John Kerry
John Edwards
Tom Daschle
Michael Moore
Dan Rather
Hollywood Elite Liberals
C.B.S.
N.Y.Times
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Originally posted by john9001
florida increased it's min wage, you really don't need the FEDERAL govt to do every thing for you, if you want to change the law do it, don't sit around crying about it.
which I voted against...
will do nothing but raise the cost of everything for everyone more than off-setting the raise in min wage
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gixer really took the election hard...
franken or any of the others are the real traitors to the liberal cause... they haven't even weighed in yet... they are either in mourning or in hiding. If kerrie would have won there would have been an endless parade of these idiots on the liberal media.
Suntracker... you are welcome to help anyone you want. You are welcome and encouraged to give more money on your taxes to socialism... when you vote for me to give my money for it then we will probly not be voting together.
lazs
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4 more years to go Gixer so get used to it.
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Originally posted by lazs2
gixer really took the election hard...
Took the election hard? Actually I couldn't care less who got in. Amusing to watch either way, especially with Bush.
...-Gixer
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Still awaiting a reply on your experience with 3rd world countries, genocidal regimes etc gixer...
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Where can I get one of those "JEB (Bush) in 2008" bumperstickers?
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well.. gixer.. before the election every post you made was a gleeful antI Bush post and now every post you make is a bitter, self delusional one so yeah.... we all think you took the election results really badly.
lazs
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Moore reasons not to slit your wrists!!
18: The next Dem candidate will have a restraining order against Mike Moore
19: Hillary is really your best next hope...LOL
20: You can have another irrational Hate party for the next Rep candidate, throw bottles, spit, threaten seccession, burn flags, act like facists all in just a couple more years....Be patient...
21: You have the West Wing...Pretend your candidate won...
22: You have four extra years of canvasing cemetaries to prepare for the next election:
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Isn't Moore wrong on the legality of Bush running again? I know it's true there's a two term limit, but I thought that only applied to consecutive terms. I think he could legally run again in 2012.
- sudz
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So Bill Clinton could run again... YIKES!!! :eek:
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Still awaiting a reply on your experience with 3rd world countries, genocidal regimes etc gixer...
Oh, didn't realise you were anticipating a reply, as your argument wasn't worth the time to reply to.
I'm allowed an opinion on 3rd world countries and genocide, or anything else I like aren't I? Just as you or anyone else is. From your message are you saying Iraq was worth it to free it from an evil tyrant?
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by lazs2
well.. gixer.. before the election every post you made was a gleeful antI Bush post and now every post you make is a bitter, self delusional one so yeah.... we all think you took the election results really badly.
lazs
And sometimes I'm just bored at work which makes argument alot more intresting then agreement. How can you really understand anyones true opinion over just a message board, if you like give me a call and we can have a real chat.
Who's we all think? The whole message board? LOL
To be honest, who you elect has nothing at all to do with me whether it's Kerry or Bush. Atleast Bush has some Character and Charisma but he's still comes across as a mumbling idiot.
To be honest I actually think Bush might do pretty well this term, given he's realised a few things from his last 4 years and learnt from it. Though he's still going to be stuck with a big mess in Iraq years after "Mission Accomplished".
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
Oh, didn't realise you were anticipating a reply, as your argument wasn't worth the time to reply to.
I'm allowed an opinion on 3rd world countries and genocide, or anything else I like aren't I? Just as you or anyone else is. From your message are you saying Iraq was worth it to free it from an evil tyrant?
...-Gixer
Well, you seem to have a lot of opinions, one of which is: "It is amazing, people seem to lack any thought or opinion themselves and just resort to repeating the campaign advertising messages. "
So I'm wondering what the source of your opinions are? Or are you too just regurgitating the greenie/liberal line. I'm amazed at the amount of "liberals" out there that would prefer to take the morale high ground of not invading and let the Iraqi people rot under that scumbag just so that they "feel good" about having peace in the world.
I think it was worth it to get rid of Saddam from a genocidal point of view. I also think WMD found or not, Saddam was going to make things worse in the middle east and it was a now or never situation (its kind of hard to something once he has his nukes).
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Originally posted by Gixer
Though he's still going to be stuck with a big mess in Iraq years after "Mission Accomplished".
...-Gixer [/B]
Have a think about this Gixer:
- US doesn't invade Iraq
- UNs game with Saddam goes on another 10 years
- Saddam annouces he has nukes
- Saddam starts playing chicken with Israel (much to the delight of the neighbouring Arab nations)
Add to the mix the Saddam might die in that timespan and be replaced by his sons (far worse than Saddam imho).
Add to the mix Saddam proding Al Qaeda and whoever into playing chicken with the USA.
Short term vision says Iraq is "a big mess".
Long term vision says if you don't do it now the mess will be much worse later on. A nuclear conflict in the Middle East is a damn scarey thought.
Perhaps you lack the maturity for a big of long term vision?
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Have a think about this Gixer:
- US doesn't invade Iraq
- UNs game with Saddam goes on another 10 years
- Saddam annouces he has nukes
- Saddam starts playing chicken with Israel (much to the delight of the neighbouring Arab nations)
Add to the mix the Saddam might die in that timespan and be replaced by his sons (far worse than Saddam imho).
Add to the mix Saddam proding Al Qaeda and whoever into playing chicken with the USA.
Short term vision says Iraq is "a big mess".
Long term vision says if you don't do it now the mess will be much worse later on. A nuclear conflict in the Middle East is a damn scarey thought.
Perhaps you lack the maturity for a big of long term vision?
Funny, while your looking at the long term and what Sadam "Might of done or intent" Iran is already doing or has completed most of it. Didn't they just test fire a missile that can reach past Israel the other week? All the while they are busy building nuclear bombs to put in them.
Priorities got a bit screwed on that one.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
Funny, while your looking at the long term and what Sadam "Might of done or intent" Iran is already doing or has completed most of it. Didn't they just test fire a missile that can reach past Israel the other week? All the while they are busy building nuclear bombs to put in them.
Priorities got a bit screwed on that one.
...-Gixer
BINGO!
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Classic Gixer... the "what about them?!?!" fallback. Way to bury the question then spread a bit of hindsight over it.
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Originally posted by Gixer
Funny, while your looking at the long term and what Sadam "Might of done or intent" Iran is already doing or has completed most of it. Didn't they just test fire a missile that can reach past Israel the other week? All the while they are busy building nuclear bombs to put in them.
Priorities got a bit screwed on that one.
...-Gixer
Yes but they played the game better, they're not giving anyone an excuse to invade. While they may have the ability to hit Israel they haven't done things like drop gas on their own people, or sponsor terrorist families. Thats the difference. Saddam exhibited a willingness to play psycho with his own people and neighbours... Iran hasn't (recently). Same goes with the NK's.
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