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Title: Many jet crash ...
Post by: straffo on November 09, 2004, 10:54:05 AM
All RC fortunatly :)

http://www.hobbyclub.ru/video/krach.wmv


Anyone know the lyrics ?

Boroda can you ask for me on the http://www.hobbyclub.ru/
Title: Many jet crash ...
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on November 09, 2004, 10:58:03 AM
Rammstein, not sure on the song.
-SW
Title: Re: Many jet crash ...
Post by: Russian on November 09, 2004, 11:05:20 AM
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Originally posted by straffo
All RC fortunatly :)

http://www.hobbyclub.ru/video/krach.wmv


Anyone know the lyrics ?

Boroda can you ask for me on the http://www.hobbyclub.ru/


Music is probably by Rammstein.
Title: Many jet crash ...
Post by: straffo on November 09, 2004, 11:19:07 AM
thanks guys :)

the tittle ist : "Sonne"
(should have pay more attention to the lyrics :p)
I'm a  dork I've the CD :D
Title: Many jet crash ...
Post by: Chairboy on November 09, 2004, 11:59:41 AM
Very expensive crashes.  Looked like the same event location, wonder what the event was?  An awful lot of crashes, especially for jets.  I see jets fly all the time at the Apollo 11 field in LA, but never jet crashes.  Generally, if you spend the $$$$ on a turbine, you know what you're doing.
Title: Many jet crash ...
Post by: Habu on November 09, 2004, 12:07:31 PM
Probably the same problem with flying a high performance aircraft in real life.

If you pull to hard in a turn you stall the wing and the aircraft will flip over. The high performance wings on those model would have a very low tolerance for high G turns at the speed they are flying.

Once the wing stalls the inlet also gets less air the thrust is reduced just as the guy is trying to get full power on to recover, the plane is near the ground and cannot be controlled and bang.

At least no one gets hurt with models.
Title: Many jet crash ...
Post by: Russian on November 09, 2004, 12:15:18 PM
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Very expensive crashes.  Looked like the same event location, wonder what the event was?  An awful lot of crashes, especially for jets.  I see jets fly all the time at the Apollo 11 field in LA, but never jet crashes.  Generally, if you spend the $$$$ on a turbine, you know what you're doing.


I agree, those guys should buy training models. One guy took off within ground effect(WTF?) then other did a 65deg turn into the ground. Fun to watch though :cool:
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Post by: AcId on November 09, 2004, 12:22:32 PM
wow, newbie jet day lol
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Post by: Lizking on November 09, 2004, 12:55:45 PM
"At least no one gets hurt with models."

I take it you didn't watch to the very end?  Those 2 mangled bodies on the tailgate of the truck?
Title: Many jet crash ...
Post by: Habu on November 09, 2004, 01:09:06 PM
lol

Yes it was a bad day for GI Joe and Barbie.
Title: Many jet crash ...
Post by: Dinger on November 09, 2004, 02:35:48 PM
Quite a few of those seem to be one-gear-up landings.
yeah, there were some classic idiot moves though.
Once he got that Viggen into a flat spin, it was over.
Title: Many jet crash ...
Post by: straffo on November 09, 2004, 02:41:31 PM
Wasn't it more a Vulcan ?
Title: Many jet crash ...
Post by: Pongo on November 09, 2004, 02:48:16 PM
wow they all looked like the same day same place..those turbine are 10 grand or somthing arnt they? Other then the gear probelms the v bomber just totaly stalled out. Several others lost it on a simple right turn...
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Post by: eagl on November 09, 2004, 02:54:56 PM
The spin looked like a vulcan to me.  I think it wasn't an unrecoverable flat spin, but the pilot didn't let it fly out of the stall.  I suspect there may have been a CG issue since delta flying wings like that usually have a really huge stall margin and can remain flying at really high angles of attack.  Of course, if he stalled it and the wing blanked out the vertical tail, he's pretty much hosed until he reduces the AOA and lets it get some speed.  The deal there is that the nose would have to go nearly vertical nose down and he was pretty low to begin with, so that's probably why he kept trying to fly it out.  If you look closely at a few of the stall/spin crash ones, they actually stop the rotation once or twice but force it right back into the stall as evidenced by the planes tip-stalling (you can see the slight wing rock as the rotation stops then starts up again) and then re-entering the spin.  The relatively high wing loading on those planes, the scale dimensions, possibly bad center of gravity location, and improper control deflection setups (either too much or too little control authority) just aggravates it.

I've flown a number of RC models and I ended up staying away from actual scale models mainly due to stability issues.  Most true scale flying models are not very stable at these small sizes.  They often need a bit larger tail surfaces to fly well.  I plan on working my way up to jet models after I retire, and eventually my goal is to get either an F-18 or F-15 turbine flying.  I may cheat a bit and slightly increase the tail surface area just to help protect my investment though :)
Title: Many jet crash ...
Post by: straffo on November 09, 2004, 03:03:25 PM
After checking a bit the only think I'm sure is : it's a brit plane and a V Bomber :D

me too confused by cognac tonight :p
Title: Many jet crash ...
Post by: Lizking on November 09, 2004, 03:05:58 PM
Eagl, have you seen in of the work done using wires in front of the wings to enable true scale to work?
Title: Re: Many jet crash ...
Post by: DJ111 on November 09, 2004, 07:10:31 PM
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Originally posted by straffo





Anyone know the lyrics ?
 


One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, out

Everyone is waiting for the light
be afraid, don't be afraid
the sun is shining out of my eyes
it will not set tonight
and the world counts loudly to ten

One
Here comes the sun
Two
Here comes the sun
Three
It is the brightest star of them all
Four
Here comes the sun

The sun is shining out of my hands
it can burn, it can blind you all
when it breaks out of the fists
it lays down hotly on the face
it will not set tonight
and the world counts loudly to ten

One
Here comes the sun
Two
Here comes the sun
Three
It is the brightest star of them all
Four
Here comes the sun
Five
Here comes the sun
Six
Here comes the sun
Seven
It is the brightest star of them all
Eight, nine
Here comes the sun

The sun is shining out of my hands
it can burn, it can blind you
when it breaks out of the fists
it lays down hotly on your face
it lays down painfully on your chest
balance is lost
it lets you go hard to the floor
and the world counts loudly to ten

One
Here comes the sun
Two
Here comes the sun
Three
It is the brightest star of them all
Four
And it will never fall from the sky
Five
Here comes the sun
Six
Here comes the sun
Seven
It is the brightest star of them all
Eight, nine
Here comes the sun
Title: Many jet crash ...
Post by: Bodhi on November 09, 2004, 08:53:26 PM
Looks like the F-15 driver got off the easiest... stayed on the runway and prolly did not ingest any crap...
Title: Many jet crash ...
Post by: Otto on November 09, 2004, 09:05:40 PM
Can you say "High... Speed.... Stall...?"
Title: Many jet crash ...
Post by: Gunslinger on November 09, 2004, 09:05:55 PM
was it me or were alot of crashes in that video of the L39 model?

Did you see the look on the one guys face?  It looked like he just watched his dog jump off of a cliff or something


Definatly seemed like "intro to jets day" at the local aero club.
Title: Many jet crash ...
Post by: Pongo on November 09, 2004, 09:11:34 PM
nope. lots other then the l39.
Title: Many jet crash ...
Post by: Gunslinger on November 09, 2004, 09:32:49 PM
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Originally posted by Pongo
nope. lots other then the l39.



I could have sworn I saw 3 or 4 L39s crashing.  Maybe even the same one a couple of times.
Title: Re: Many jet crash ...
Post by: DieAz on November 09, 2004, 09:51:30 PM
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Originally posted by straffo

Boroda can you ask for me on the http://www.hobbyclub.ru/



No English version of this site?

looks interesting. I can't read it though.
Title: Many jet crash ...
Post by: Wolfala on November 09, 2004, 11:37:07 PM
Those were some of the most painful videos i've ever seen. Esp the L39 at the end with the fire in the bushes.

Drink up Shriners!
Title: Many jet crash ...
Post by: eagl on November 10, 2004, 12:11:56 PM
Lizking,

No, I haven't heard about that...  What does it look like?  What's the theory behind it?
Title: Many jet crash ...
Post by: Dowding on November 10, 2004, 01:02:11 PM
That isn't a vulcan - it's a Glocester Javelin.
Title: Many jet crash ...
Post by: Maniac on November 10, 2004, 01:17:39 PM
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Originally posted by Gunslinger

Did you see the look on the one guys face?  It looked like he just watched his dog jump off of a cliff or something

 


Best part of the video, and his team-mates giving him hard looks lol!

Thumbs up! :aok