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Title: Generosity Index 2004
Post by: 1K0N on November 10, 2004, 09:36:34 AM
The most generous States are:

take each state's average income and average charitable contribution, then subtracting the second rank from the first to get a single number for each state. Keep scrolling until you come to a blue state.


INdex (http://www.catalogueforphilanthropy.org/cfp/db/generosity.php?year=2004)


IKON
Title: Generosity Index 2004
Post by: ra on November 10, 2004, 09:43:39 AM
...still scrolling
Title: Generosity Index 2004
Post by: Ripsnort on November 10, 2004, 09:49:11 AM
Look at all the blue states at the bottom :lol
Title: Generosity Index 2004
Post by: Hawklore on November 10, 2004, 09:51:17 AM
You know why don't you?

Cause most democrats, don't have the money to donate to charity, or don't bother turning it in to get tax brakes..

I know I just bit the hook..

And I just ate it, cause this is just too damn idiotic..
Title: Generosity Index 2004
Post by: Weavling on November 10, 2004, 09:52:15 AM
Aw man, Washington is number 34?!  We suck! :eek:
Title: Generosity Index 2004
Post by: Ripsnort on November 10, 2004, 09:55:23 AM
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Originally posted by Hawklore
You know why don't you?

Cause most democrats, don't have the money to donate to charity, or don't bother turning it in to get tax brakes..

I know I just bit the hook..

And I just ate it, cause this is just too damn idiotic..


But the poorest states, like Mississippi *do* have the money?

Oooooookay! :lol


Edit:  I took a look at their methodology. they get their data from the amount of charitable deductions claimed on income tax forms. It includes everyone from the state that filed a return. They then compare the amount given on average per state with the average income in that state.

It shows that compared to their income some states give more on average.
Title: Generosity Index 2004
Post by: 1K0N on November 10, 2004, 11:08:40 AM
Blue=greedy or needy
Red=Charitable pig farmers


IKON
Title: Generosity Index 2004
Post by: Neubob on November 10, 2004, 11:43:23 AM
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Originally posted by Hawklore
You know why don't you?

Cause most democrats, don't have the money to donate to charity, or don't bother turning it in to get tax brakes..

I know I just bit the hook..

And I just ate it, cause this is just too damn idiotic..


A bit of an oversimplified analysis there, don't you think?

The number of rich Republicans that give money to charity for purposes of exploiting tax write-offs is insignificant when taken with the total number of people in a given state. On that same note, the number of rich Democrats doing the same for the same reason is probably very similar. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, I do believe that wealth creates a mindset all its own--and it crosses party lines more often than not.

These statistics point to the general tendancies of the regular people--those whose numbers are great enough to affect rates on a statewide magnitude. Besides Bill Gates(who's given billions), there are very, very few people that can do this on their own.

Perhaps bleeding heart and bleeding wallet aren't the same thing afterall.
Title: Generosity Index 2004
Post by: Howitzer on November 10, 2004, 11:46:56 AM
Wow gotto love Illinois at 31...  noone wants our cows apparently  :lol
Title: Generosity Index 2004
Post by: lazs2 on November 10, 2004, 12:59:39 PM
It is as I have said... the city boys feel guilty about all the bums laying around so they want the government to do something about it...

The country folk take care of people.

liberals love humanity but hate people.

lazs
Title: Generosity Index 2004
Post by: Nash on November 10, 2004, 01:07:42 PM
Out of curiousity, are the donations you make to your church tax deductable?
Title: Generosity Index 2004
Post by: Ripsnort on November 10, 2004, 01:09:35 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
Out of curiousity, are the donations you make to your church tax deductable?


I believe so, but any charitable donation is also a tax deduction.
Title: Generosity Index 2004
Post by: lazs2 on November 10, 2004, 01:10:55 PM
I don't belong to a church or give to any church but I believe that they are deductable.

lazs
Title: Generosity Index 2004
Post by: Charon on November 10, 2004, 02:35:54 PM
I would like to know a few more details about how the rankings are generated. An organization from Mass. looking to raise funds, creates a ranking that places it's potential donors high on the list of the "Hall of Shame" - which can't hurt its ability to guilt additional funds for the "Buy Ted Kennedy a New Liver Foundation."

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Strategically, and though we would never claim exclusive credit for this, we think it fair to point out that in the first four years after the first publication of the Catalogue and the Generosity Index, Massachusetts giving doubled—from $2 billion to $4 billion, the highest rate of increase in the nation...


In general, I'm sure church donations figure heavily into the ranking, but then you have to differentiate between those funds that go to feed the needy, and those that help buy the local preacher (of which there is about 1-2 every mile down the road in some areas) a new pick up truck or the televanglist the new crystal palace.

Charon
Title: Generosity Index 2004
Post by: majic on November 10, 2004, 07:12:26 PM
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Originally posted by Howitzer
Wow gotto love Illinois at 31...  noone wants our cows apparently  :lol


Where you from?
Title: Generosity Index 2004
Post by: Gunslinger on November 10, 2004, 07:20:30 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
Out of curiousity, are the donations you make to your church tax deductable?


Yes they are.  Some churches however, are under investigation as of late (on both the left and right) for political activism in the church.  If churches want to endorce a canidate or they want to enter the political arena they have to form a special PAC (political action committee)  I beleive the money they use for the PAC has to be collected seperatly from church funds.

Same goes for other "non-profit" organiziations.  I read a really good article about the NAACP being in alot of trouble this year for campaigning on Kerry's behalf.  I seriously hope this racist organization get's there tax except status revoked.