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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: FUNKED1 on November 10, 2004, 09:51:44 AM
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Overpriced Eurotrash Pwn3d Again (http://money.cnn.com/2004/11/08/pf/autos/cr_auto_reliability/index.htm)
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Without reading it, I'm guessing Toyota is ranked #1?
To date, 55,000 miles, no probs with my Bimmer. :D
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LOL, just read it, "Consumer Reports".
Nuff said.
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When did Volkswagen become the standard? The Phaeton is the ONLY VW worth mentioning. Funked, you must be really bored at work.
Karaya
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Overpriced Eurotrash Pwn3d Again (http://money.cnn.com/2004/11/08/pf/autos/cr_auto_reliability/index.htm)
"Eurotrash"
Damn it, Funked, You have a personal war ongoing with Europe!
(I have a Toyota, BTW ;) )
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the last good VW was built in the late 50's, i always thought Honda was a american car , i mean they are built in Ohio.
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I would not touch a current toyata, my moms is junk as is my buddies truck.
maybe if the were about half the price they sell for.
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The Phaeton is a pile of overpriced crap with little character.
VWs are very reliable over here. Famous for it. But apparently yours are made in Mexico, and not the Fatherland.
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compared to british cars you mean.
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the british still make cars?
Lucas Electric= the prince of darkness.
you know why the british drink warm beer? their coolers are made by lucas electric
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Compared to Japanese as well.
Yes, the British still make cars:
(http://www.hoelsche-flip.de/TVR%20Tuscan.jpg)
(http://www.carzunlimited.com/other/tvr/tvr_cerbera_06.jpg)
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Toyota quality has been sliding since they opened american factories. It's still much better than what you see on alot of american brands. I'll leave out the European cars, since I don't do anything with their dealerships :) ...but right now, I can walk anybody around, say, a Cadillac lot, and point out uneven deck lids (trunks), improperly sealed windshields, misaligned fenders, etc. The main difference is the production tolerances. On an american car, lets take the Corvette for instance, pop off the fenders or quarter panels, and you'll see all the little spots where you have to shim it up to get it to fit correctly. That's not the right way to go about designing a car imho. If I walk to my warehouse, grab a Camry fender, and take it to the bodyshop... I know it'll fit any camry in there of the same year w/o needing shims or adjustments.
On the flipside of that, it's pretty brand specific. I checked out the very first Nissan Titan in town, and the body panels looked like they'd be put on by a stoned highschool student with superglue.
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I can say the quality of my Mazda Miata is top notch not even one problem and it's got 30K on it. Thankfully, mine has that made in Japan stamp on it.. :D
Theres one guy in our club that has @ 200K on his Miata all he's done is a couple of timing belts, 1 clutch, and other normal wear items. Other then that the car is great these are pretty well built like the older gen VW's drive'em till the wheels fall off.:D
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The French make the best cars.:)
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Well I suppose those are "cars"
smurfy "Cars" but yeah "cars"
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Originally posted by Dowding
(http://www.carzunlimited.com/other/tvr/tvr_cerbera_06.jpg)
Brits make the Dodge Viper?! :p
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Ah... the Brits wouldn't be making cars today had the bloody American's not bailed ya'll out! So I'll say they are American cars with British flair, minus the horrendus electrical problems!
Hey... any of you know what an MGB muffler braket looks like? Its a spool of wire, cut and replace as nessesary! :D
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(http://www.friskypuppy.com/ebay/ads/cars/lecar.jpg)
Oh yeah, the french make great cars... the econo version of the Yugo.
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Originally posted by SOB
Brits make the Dodge Viper?! :p
Man... I can't believe you just called that piece of artwork a Viper :eek:
TVR Cerbera... one of the greatest bang-for-the-buck sportscars ever made. :aok
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I know you're an American, VWE, but there really is no need to live up to the stereotype quite so enthusiastically.
TVR is wholly British owned, as are lots of other small volume, high performance manufacters. Rover MG is the only volume company left, but sells in large numbers.
Now you can consider yourself informed of the facts.
BTW, the electrics thing doesn't quite make sense anymore. Original, though, I'll give you that. Bye! :aok
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The only type of car in my opinion I would by is a Japanse brand, they have a quality that exeeds US and EURO car manufactors, and the price is better too.
Beside the guarantee is better, mitsubishi actually come in with 5 years all over guarantee no others than Honda does that so far. (And guess what Honda is manufactured in Japan too).
So quality and price is important for me, for those of you that wanna buy a ****bab youre welcome and have fun with it :D
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Mitsubishi is about a 1/2 step from going out of business. They've been offering those crazy 10 year warranties in a desperate attempt to sell off their '04 inventories. As for quality, roll of the dice I'd say for current models. I know alot of people in houston that immediately ran out & bought Lancer Evo 8's. They all sold them around 20k miles the first or second time their tranmissions failed. I know 7 people that owned those Evo's... only 1 person still has theirs =P
If I wanted reliability, I'd buy Toyota, Honda, or Subaru. If I wanted performance, I'd buy Italian (with a fire extinguisher & heavy insurance policy). :aok
oh yeah, I drive a Toyota SUV.
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Originally posted by VWE
(http://www.friskypuppy.com/ebay/ads/cars/lecar.jpg)
Oh yeah, the french make great cars... the econo version of the Yugo.
I almost bought one like that, but got one of these instead:
(http://image.nettiauto.com/extra/carimg/169001_169100/169057_b_74468069.jpg)
Now I'm saving money for a new alternator.:)
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Never had a problem with my Golf, at least none I didn't inflict on it. But it was made in Germany not Mexico.
American cars didn't fare much better. They're selling Daewoo's here now badged as Chevy's. Is that a sneaky way of improving American cars ratings? (Yes, I know Daewoo is Korean)
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40K on my 330, not a single problem.
109K on my 911, not a single problem.
Everyone else is free to enjoy their Accords, Im having a good time and I dont need to post reliability charts to validate my choice in automobiles. ::coughfunkyricercough::. :cool:
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I have put over a million miles on 4 Ford trucks, with standard maintainence (cumulative, not each), and sold them for over 35,000$ (cumulative, again) after those miles. Let's see your Euro-trash or Jananese beaters do that.
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Originally posted by Lizking
I have put over a million miles on 4 Ford trucks, with standard maintainence (cumulative, not each), and sold them for over 35,000$ (cumulative, again) after those miles. Let's see your Euro-trash or Jananese beaters do that.
3 Ford trucks, 2 bought new, 1 bought used. Nary a problem as well. :aok
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Dowd, just end all the arguments and show em the DB9.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1081438631_swoop.gif)
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Automobil = BMW & Daimler Crysler & Porsche
everything else = Toys.
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Originally posted by Lizking
I have put over a million miles on 4 Ford trucks, with standard maintainence (cumulative, not each), and sold them for over 35,000$ (cumulative, again) after those miles. Let's see your Euro-trash or Jananese beaters do that.
I had a '80 Celica, japanese built with the normal 22R engine, that had 270k miles on it before I sold it.
I think the important part we've all left out here is the difference between a good car owner, and an average car owner. As long as somebody takes care of their vehicle, stays up on maintenance (oil changes, timing belts, starter contact replacement, etc), then almost any car will run forever. What scares me are the people who don't know when you're supposed to change the oil, the fast & furious ricers, and old people behind the wheel of anything not parked in a driveway.
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cages!
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Originally posted by indy007
Toyota quality has been sliding since they opened american factories.
Curious. Since they have been building 'em in the USA for well over a decade now, just when do you feel the "quality" was better? Are you suggesting pre-1990 toyo quality was better than current?
So the 1988 Toyota Cressida was built vastly superiour to say my 1996 Camry?
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toyota is an american car
please show me a japanese car that is 35, almost 36 years, old that is driven to work daily as my german built 69 vw is..
(http://www.pogbird.com/ebay/bug8x6.jpg)
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Originally posted by WMLute
Curious. Since they have been building 'em in the USA for well over a decade now, just when do you feel the "quality" was better? Are you suggesting pre-1990 toyo quality was better than current?
So the 1988 Toyota Cressida was built vastly superiour to say my 1996 Camry?
If I lay out a graph between Toyotas that are 95% assembled in Japan (current models like Highlander, Scions, Celicas) their incidents of warranty repairs are lower than those Toyotas currently assembled in America. Yes, that is taking into account the proportionately far larger number of Camry's, 4Runners, etc that are on the road. Ironically, there is also a significant jump in Celica warranty repairs each time a Fast & The Furious movie came out.
Man, y'all are jumpin' on me like I *want* the graph to read that way. I don't... but it does. Honestly, I'm a parts distributor. I want every car, of every brand, to break... all the time.
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Poopy brown over cream... did they give you a free bowl of soup with that paint job?
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I hope that tennis ball is for your wife...
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Originally posted by john9001
the british still make cars?
Lucas Electric= the prince of darkness.
you know why the british drink warm beer? their coolers are made by lucas electric
Ouch
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Originally posted by Eagler
(http://www.pogbird.com/ebay/bug8x6.jpg)
With plenty of room in the nose for a 20MM
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
I hope that tennis ball is for your wife...
yes :)
no 20mm but was thinking about making an old X36 jstick into my shift knob :)
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(http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/image001_copy2.jpg)
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Originally posted by john9001
the british still make cars?
Lucas Electric= the prince of darkness.
you know why the british drink warm beer? their coolers are made by lucas electric
The French electrics are even worse, if possible.:)
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The last BMW, VWs, and Toyotas will be hauled to the wrecker in a F-150
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Well Eagler... youre close. At least its German and the engine is in the right spot. ;)
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Originally posted by VWE
Oh yeah, the french make great cars... the econo version of the Yugo.
I logged over 140,000 kilometers on a Renault R5 (as it was known in Europe). I went thru two sets of tires and front brake pads and one exhaust system (no stainless systems back then). The only repairs made beyond normal wear was a frayed throttle cable (warranty) and a defective idle jet in the Weber carb at 115,000 kilometers. Utterly idiot-proof and reliable. Simple, but not crude. Rode better than anything in its class (torsion bar suspension with a great deal of travel). In its day, it was the perfect commuter and city car. Oh, it was also the best FWD car I have ever owned for driving in snow.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by indy007
Honestly, I'm a parts distributor. I want every car, of every brand, to break... all the time.
Gotta love the honesty. I bet you reccomended those Evos to your friends. ;)
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Wow Gsholz...that car is TINY. I certainly hope it's cheap.
Looks more like a Honda than a Yugo.
J_A_B
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it's a honda with poojoe badge on it.
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The steering wheel is on the wrong side too-I bet you can pick that reject up cheap!
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French cars aren't all bad. :)
(http://home.earthlink.net/~westcoastminicon/marcus.jpg)
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Their cars may not be bad, but that driver is pushing it.
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Without reading the text behind the link, I can say that after buying a Japanese car I now know what is reliability. After having several different cars including one Citroen (new), which I fortunetly got rid off after a one year, it's obviously for me that Japanese cars are the ones I'll count on.
Btw there's only two Japanese cars that are being manufactured only in Japan; Honda & Mazda. Knowing Japanese mentality (first work, then family) I'm not so surprised that Japanese cars are so reliable.
My car? Mazda 6 Sportswagon
Absolutely fantastic car.
My first Japanese car, but not the last
-vector
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in america you can tell where a car was built by the first digit of the VIN number::
J=japan
1=USA
2=canada
there are more , but i don't know them.
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Just build it yourself :D
No loose ends or surprises then.
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Originally posted by Vector
Btw there's only two Japanese cars that are being manufactured only in Japan; Honda & Mazda. Knowing Japanese mentality (first work, then family) I'm not so surprised that Japanese cars are so reliable.
Honda has plants in the USA.
Subaru builds cars in the US, but some models are still made 100% in Japan.
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Originally posted by Lizking
Their cars may not be bad, but that driver is pushing it.
He's a Finn, they like gravel. :)
Here's a German (http://www.auto.cz/?mod=plakaty&id=418547f85ce9a) with a tidier line, although I'm not sure he was any quicker. :)
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Originally posted by john9001
in america you can tell where a car was built by the first digit of the VIN number::
J=japan
1=USA
2=canada
there are more , but i don't know them.
I know the Isuzu I drive is rebadged as a Chevy (Trooper); Vauxhall (Monterey I think); Honda (Horizon); Holden (Monterey); GM; and Opel (Monterey) :)
I figure if so many companies rebadge it - then it must good!
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Sure Funked like my beetle
and my passat going already over 260000 km and still going reliable and no rust at all even under the car everything looks young
my beetle drove me all over europe without any problem .
VolksWagen must be crap
at least they got a look
most japanese cars just donīt
I know the toyota is a very good car
but it does just nothin to me the look like ****
canīt help it
same counts for subaru a japanese car wich i would choose because of the boxer and 4 wheel drive
but they just donīt have a look they plain ugly
oh and where is porsche standing
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I drove a lot of GM crap in the 70s/80s. Got really frustrated by the crap service, and began to think along the lines of BMW/Audi. (VW was too yuppyish back in 86) I found that to get a BMW or Audi loaded with "extras" - items which I regard as part of a basic spec, I was going to have to pay another 25% on top of the base price, which was already quite steep.
So I started looking at Toyota. I never had any rug-rats, so no need for a family car. in 1988 I bought my first Toyota - a Celica - with the 2.0i 16v engine - I think the engine code was 3SGE. Any doubts I had about turning Japanese melted away in the first half hour of driving. The car was a peach, and for the first time I owned a car that I could take to be serviced without a supplementary list of faults or things that "needed doing". (Never had that with GM) I drove the Celica for 53,000 miles and 2 years 11 months, and the trade in value came to 60% of the original price. That's when I bought my muscle car! - the Supra 3.0i turbo, top speed 153mph. I let it rip in France once... Never had as much as a lightbulb go wrong with the Celica, and the only faults with the Supra were covered by the extended warranty which I bought for years 4-6. Those faults were the alarm system (replacement), window motor passenger side, and a thermostat. I kept that car for 6― years and 84,000 miles, so that's not a bad record. The Toyotas were loaded. The Supra even had ABS, aircon and limited slip diff (much needed!) as standard, as well as leather interior (turbo version).
I didn't like the new Supra (or the price) and needed a fetching/carrying car, so started buying Golfs - now on my third. No real problems with any of them.
cpxxx - which Golf do you have? I like my GTi/TDi but I'm not looking forward to the cambelt replacement, which costs Ģ455 on that model. :eek: Fortunately that's some way off...
Dowding - TVR are British made, but don't they still use Ford engines?
Lucas electrics - crap - old Jaguars used their kit. I prefer Bosch.
BUG! You are incredibly loyal to your Bug. :D I enjoyed mine, which I got when it was 29 years old. Fun in a "blast from the past" sort of way, but crap for modern driving.
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People say Jap cars are more reliable, yet you don't see very many of them on the road that are 20 years old or older.
Most of the old cars you see on the road here are American and they are easy and cheap to keep on the road.
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forgot to say - very interesting posts from indy0007. :aok
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TVR uses in-house engines exclusively these days. Previous to that they used Rover V8s for instance - until ze Germans bought Rover and TVR decided it didn't want German BMW engines in its cars.