Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: gatt on November 12, 2004, 07:14:16 AM
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http://forums.ubi.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=5061038042
Great thanks to Japanese guys who send me original Japanese trial reports and translated it for me. That info is absolutely increadible: Say we now know that probably all original Japanese reports of maximal preformance for Japanese planes that have co-called over-boost in Japanese docs is present without that over-boost! Interesting, isn't it?
Hmmm, would be interesting to take a look at those docs just to know if our "WEPless" Ki84 is correctly modeled.
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note the keyword, "probably"?
I hope someone finds test data with more specifics, such as MAP settings, engine RPM, etc...
The debate about the Hayate is getting stale.
Pyro also has someone who has translated the Japanese text over to English, I guess the difference is in how the data was translated? :confused:
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I wonder if they are the same docs and yes, checking translations should not be easy ;)
Anyway, the issue is really interesting.
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I think I could arrange that.
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Originally posted by gatt
I wonder if they are the same docs and yes, checking translations should not be easy ;)
Anyway, the issue is really interesting.
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I cannot make heads or tails of what he is trying to say.
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Say we now know that probably all original Japanese reports of maximal preformance for Japanese planes that have (s)o-called over-boost in Japanese docs is present without that over-boost!
All "maximal performance numbers" in Original docs that are so-called with boost, are actually figures resulting from operation without boost?
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OK, but is there any evidence that the Japanese used a WEP equivilent? That is what we really need.
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Most of Japanese planes didn't have WEP like German MW-50 etc.
But they have over-boost lever in the throttle for getting Emergency Power.
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I seem to remember a pic of Japanese fighter's nose without some cowlings and it had a tank behind the engine for water (-methanol?) injection.
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Best I could make out from Busa's posts was that some had it, some didn't. I'm just guessing, but more than likely the later models of these planes did, as at the end of the war the Japanese developers were desperately trying to find ways to get the fighters up to the level of the B-29s that were devastating their homeland. Even the N1K line was slated for a 3-stage supercharger mounted on a Homare 44 engine towards the end, but it never made it into production. The only planes that ever really had much success getting up there and catching the B-29s (if my memory is correct) were the Raiden fighters. Even they had limited success.
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/IJARG/j2mraiden.html
Some stats on the "Jack"
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What I find interesting is that the Raiden had very similar top speed and climb rate to the Hayate, while the Shiden (the only one of the 3 that I believe had WEP like we understand it) was rated almost 20 mph slower. Makes me wonder if they had hit a wall in the design dept?
I understand from what I have read that the Raiden handled like a truck (of course this comes from pilots used to the Zero) and they had very high numbers of trainees lost in crashes in it (although one of the top aces flew this plane).
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I understand the Ki-44 was also able to intercept B-29s.
American pilots who tested the J2M Raiden after the war thought it handled wonderfully.
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Originally posted by Karnak
I understand the Ki-44 was also able to intercept B-29s.
American pilots who tested the J2M Raiden after the war thought it handled wonderfully.
I dont know on the Ki-44. Heck, I've seen where some guys actually wrestled zeros up to alt and shot at B-29s. They used what they had. Although technically interception was the job of the IJA not the IJN.
I'm sure American pilots would be more comfortable in the Jack. I did make the disclaimer that the comments I saw were from Zero pilots. After what they were used to the Raiden was probably a bit on the heavy and stiff side.
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Very Interesting, cant wait to see whear this goes.
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The Jack would be another Japanese La-7. :D
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J2M to Aces High!
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J2M3 and H8K2 would be great addition for AH2.
Especially the H8K2 is useful excellent flying-boat bomber.
I recommend it for the first flying-boat in AH world!!!
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Well now if you want flying boats, it wouldnt require much. the N1K1 Shiden was developed from one, the N1K Kyofu (Rex).
Heres a pic of one...........
http://www.combinedfleet.com/ijna/n1k.htm
Now THAT would be a cool addition. :) Wouldnt mind the Raiden either.
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I'm behind Mitsu ALL THE WAY!
Even with the ki-84 in my opinion the Japanese planeset is still woefully lacking.
We need late war CV attack Aircraft.
A decent land based bomber. (Betty)
Mavis or Emily flying boats. (Both would be sweet!) Granted these should not have formation enabled. Being much more likely to be single scouts & patrol type planes.
And we are really seeing the lack of heavy Japanese attack aircraft.
US iron owns the sky's when it comes to moving mud.
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Originally posted by Ghosth
I'm behind Mitsu ALL THE WAY!
Even with the ki-84 in my opinion the Japanese planeset is still woefully lacking.
(snip)
US iron owns the sky's when it comes to moving mud.
I agree. We could use more Japanese aircraft. Even Mitsu had to resort to a Corsair to attack a Rook CV last night. I was up in a Ki-84 and raced to intercept him, but the auto ack nailed his F4U before I could get there. I got the proxy though! LOL
Seriously, I'd love to have the J2M3 added and one of the late-war carrier dive or torpedo bombers would be nice as well.
I don't know if anyone has noticed, but the Lavochkins are being well handled by the Ki-84. In the MA, the Hayate kills La-7s at an exchange rate of 1.1/1 with La-5s are taking a beating at 1.75/1.
Overall, the Ki-84 has a 1.34/1 K/D against the rest of the plane set. And remember, most of the guys flying the Hayate are doing so hamstrung by using Combat Trim, which greatly reduces high speed maneuverability. Trim the Hayate manually and it goes from just very capable to truly awesome.
In comparison, the La-7's K/D this tour is 1.28/1, which is about its average for any given tour. Although the La-5FN has a K/D of 1.11/1 in the MA, it's getting clobbered by the Ki-84. It simply lacks the speed that La-7 drivers have to escape. In a Co-E, Co-alt fight between the La-5 and Ki-84 (pilots being equal), the La-5 dies.
As more players learn how to maximize the Hayate's performance, I expect it to be one of the top non-perked dweeb rides before long. If some of you guys think the N1K2 is a UFO in the vertical, you'll be shocked at what the Ki-84 can do. In my opinion, it's superior to the N1K2 in every category except pure fire power.
In the CT (tour 33), the Ki-84 is the premier non-perked fighter, with only the C-Hog being able to match it in stats.
If HTC should add the J2M3 Raiden, I would expect this fighter to be very dangerous at high speeds, due to its laminar flow wing and high speed diving ability, combined with great climb rate, excellent handling and good, if not spectacular, turning ability. Oh, and add four 20mm cannon to that combination as well.
I don't know about others, but the addition of the Ki-84 has put some more fun back into the game for me. So, I hope HTC adds new planes on a regular basis, to keep things from becoming as stale as they were for the year before the last major update.
My regards,
Widewing
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The Ki84 is so good that only the F8F Bearcat can stand up to it..thank god we are getting it soon.
(http://server6.uploadit.org/files/clippa-Bearcat_goodv2.JPG)
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Originally posted by Ghosth
A decent land based bomber. (Betty)
More japanese planes would be great, but in the mean time do not forget the KI67. It is pretty much the only bomber I have flown this tour. However the only time I have seen one is from a capped field with someone wanting to shoot it's 20mm top gun at vulchers. It is a very fast and good climbing bomber.
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The Ki-67 reminds me alot of the A-26 we had in AW. It really is a good all around bomber. It accelerates well, slows down fast, turns pretty good and has decent coverage from its gun turrets. The only thing it lacks to make it more popular is forward-firing pilot controlled guns.
SA2