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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AKS\/\/ulfe on November 12, 2004, 10:21:42 AM
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Well, according to a new report. Not so much new, I read about reports of anti-oxidant supplements not being good for the body a year ago...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/conditions/11/10/heart.vitamin.e.reut/index.html
Anyhow, this raises questions of the whole multi-vitamin thing... Do you need them with all of the supplement fortified foods on the market these days?
In some cases, the supplement may be good for you if you don't get enough of it (fish oil, or vitamin C maybe)... but in the case of anti-oxidant supplements, they appear to do more harm than good.
-SW
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you are wrong... scientists all over the world told me that taking large doses of anti oxidents was very good for me or at best couldn't hurt. might even cure my cold or prevent global warming. Now you are saying that they are telling me it is a path to assisted suicide?
lazs
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Well, they were right... Taking anti-oxidants will prevent global warming, see... with more people dying earlier, the population will taper off at astonishing rates.
With this population reduction, comes a reduced output of waste - namely methane gas, the biggest cause of the accumulation of green house gases that's causing global warming. Not to mention the overall reduction in atmosphere temperature due to less meat sack heaters emitting their warmth.
Then, with fewer and fewer people, there are less automobiles being driven around which causes a further decline in the global temperature climb.
Let's not forget the biggest cause of global warming, guns. Every gun fired emits smokeless, or dependent on ammo - very smoky, fumes that cloud the ozone and trap more heat. Plus, the friction from the bullet travelling down the barrel, and impacting it's target, creates heat. In addition to that heat, the cartridge releases enourmous amounts of heat when the cap is triggered and ignites the gun powder.
So, as you can see - Vitamin E is the leading solution to global warming.
-SW
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Nice twist..
But they are only bad if you overdose, just like every other vitamin...
Esp. if your body isn't expending the Vit.E
:rolleyes:
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What twist?
-SW
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if you are still standing and can smell the burnt gunpowder then... gunsmoke is very healthy for you.
lazs
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Who needs vitamins when you can walk into almost any gym locker room and get anabolic steroids for half the price.
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Apples and oranges Morpheus. Vitamins maintain, steroids build.
That study is wonky. So they studied 136,000 elderly. They're halfway dead already ;) The article doesn't specify what they got themselves into in the 50+ years before this study. Amazing they can narrow it to simply vitamin E.
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Vitamins kill cOct. They should be banned and the manufacturers of said vitamins sued for their negligence.
-SW
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called my doctor... she hasn't gotten the word. Whe says anti oxidants are good for me.
lazs
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Well, your doctor is a dirty redneck hick while my doctor is an educated city dwelling PHD holding genius.
-SW
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no... my doctor is an oriental woman so according to the bell curve she makes your big city oxygen starved fairy of a doctor a moron.
She told me that city smog and anti oxidants could be deadly tho.
lazs
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Ouch. Touche Sir, touche.
-SW
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VITAMIN E IS HIMMLER!!!!!!!!!!OH JEEBUS!!!!!!!
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:eek: Hey Yeager, take a deeeeep breath.
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Originally posted by Octavius
Apples and oranges Morpheus. Vitamins maintain, steroids build.
That study is wonky. So they studied 136,000 elderly. They're halfway dead already ;) The article doesn't specify what they got themselves into in the 50+ years before this study. Amazing they can narrow it to simply vitamin E.
I guess I'll be more blunt.
Servay sayz!
No one cares johny!
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I think somebody needs to reset the Yeager Tardbot.
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Originally posted by Octavius
That study is wonky. So they studied 136,000 elderly. They're halfway dead already ;) The article doesn't specify what they got themselves into in the 50+ years before this study. Amazing they can narrow it to simply vitamin E.
This was a meta-analysis of other previously reported studies. The average age in the various studies ranged from 47 to 84 years. They tended to be older patients because most trials targeted populations at high risk for a chronic disease, most often heart disease. That’s because most studies were trying to find out if Vit. E was helpful in preventing these diseases, as many people (especially vitamin manufacturers) had claimed.
It not amazing at all that they narrowed it to vitamin E, because these were randomized trials. That means you take a group of patient and randomly assign them to get either vitamin E or the control. That way the only difference between the two groups is whether or not they get vitamin E. Therefore, any difference in outcome is likely due to the Vitamin E.
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E, C & Zinc every other day and you will not catch a cold
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Thats just it though Myelo. How controlled is it?
I think genetics certainly has something [not everything] to do with susceptability to colds, heart disease, obesity, etc. Unless both groups had identical genetic makeup, then the results of the studies blaming a certain vitamin can be described as more random or chaotic than anything. If you randomize randomness, you get random.
I dunno. Every night I hear the retarted local news station scraping the bottom of the pot when they have yet another study of bogus results. How many times have we seen flip flops on the butter vs. margerine 'debate'?
"Something in your house could kill you any minute!!!!! News at 11."
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Originally posted by Octavius Thats just it though Myelo. How controlled is it? [/i]
Very controlled. The only looked at placebo controlled studies. In scientific terms, this is the bestest controlled there is.
Originally posted by Octavius I think genetics certainly has something [not everything] to do with susceptability to colds, heart disease, obesity, etc. Unless both groups had identical genetic makeup, then the results of the studies blaming a certain vitamin can be described as more random or chaotic than anything. If you randomize randomness, you get random. [/i]
No and no. I'm not sure you understand how these studies work so I'll try to explain.
You take a group of patients and randomly assigned them to get either Vitamin E (treated group) or a fake pill (control group). You follow them and see what happens in each group.
That way each patient has the same probability of receiving one treatment or the other. This ensures that all factors affecting outcome should be distributed randomly and equally between the treated and control groups.
Each individual patient doesn’t need to be genetically identical because you aren’t comparing individuals. You are comparing the two groups. So as long as each group is equal, any difference in outcome is likely due to the only thing that is different – whether they got Vitamin E or a placebo.
Now, you need to make sure the groups are large enough that any difference between the groups is not due to chance alone. There are mathematical ways to do this and these results are always reported in the study. For example, they may something like this:
The patients that got Vitamin E were 3% more likely to die in 5 years than the placebo group (p=0.027).
This means there is a 2.7% chance that the difference in death between the two groups was due to chance, not the treatment. In other words we can be pretty sure that the difference is due to the Vitamin E.
For the exact details, here is the study (http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/0000605-200501040-00110v1)
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what i inturpet from the test is that a placebo will increase life expectancy.
i'm going ask my doctor to perscribe me some placebos.
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pssst... john, I can hook you up. Me me in the back of the poolhall in an hour. Bring cash.
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I wish I could be around a couple hundred years from now when they look back and think, man what were they thinking with all those vitamins. Just think at how we look back at what they treated illness with in the past and how we laugh, well its bound to continue on like that, as research and technology keeps moving forward. Let us not forget it wasnt so long ago that doctors actaully prescribed methenphatamines to people.
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Originally posted by SOB
I think somebody needs to reset the Yeager Tardbot.
:rofl
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Heard a guy on talk radio this morning say it was all bunk. Vitamin E was great for you and his brand was the best evar. He even had it on sale especially for me, the informed listener.
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Morons, you are polluting your precious bodily fluids.