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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Murdr on November 15, 2004, 01:48:37 AM
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Heh, found some old pages. I didnt even realize they were still up.
PJ University (http://www.geocities.com/ftd38/Curriculum.html)
Murdr sandwitch (http://www.geocities.com/ftd38/Lessons3.html)
You can never "check 6" too much (http://www.geocities.com/ftd38/Lessons6.html)
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Wow! Thats some detailed work you've got there Murdr. Still relevant :) PJ University's link should be posted in the MOTD in the MA. Maybe some hamstards can get a clue!! ;)
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Coincedently, there will soon be a "PJ" here to work with :)
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I just wish we had the text at the bottom of the damn screen like in AW.
seems no matter where ya put it now its in the way of something
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Ahhhhhh... the good ol' days. :D
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Originally posted by Murdr
Coincedently, there will soon be a "PJ" here to work with :)
I never understood the term PJ and really hated it for some reason. I never saw or heard of a real P38 driver referring to his plane as a PJ.
What the heck is a PJ other then something my kids put on when they went to bed? :)
That aside, I hope it isn't a J model to go with the L. Gotta go earlier in that H at least but an F or G would be even better.
Good flashbacks to the days when the 38 days of airwarrior. Kinda scary what folks could do with that thing, in particular in RR.
The P38 Pilots Union was a lot stronger back then too. I remember many an occasion where I'd meet up with a 38 driver from another country and we'd wing it into the third country for a bit of confusing action talking to your wingman on the open channel while you worked together :)
Dan/Slack
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Maybe I should just post a new thread... but why do you guys want another 38 version? I'm not being combative, I just don't know the difference. If we have the L, wouldn't the H just be older and slower? Is there a certain version that would perform better than the one we have now?
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Yeah, it was great fun to take on all those supposed hot shot PJ pilots in the spit-o-death and spiral climb their butts and kill them. Man would they get PO'd!!!:p
Bazi
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Originally posted by Howitzer
Maybe I should just post a new thread... but why do you guys want another 38 version? I'm not being combative, I just don't know the difference. If we have the L, wouldn't the H just be older and slower? Is there a certain version that would perform better than the one we have now?
The P38L is basically "all that a P38 should be." It doesn't work for very many historical setups... North Africa/Mediterranean, earlier ETO, earlier PTO, and other places.
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Originally posted by Howitzer
Maybe I should just post a new thread... but why do you guys want another 38 version? I'm not being combative, I just don't know the difference. If we have the L, wouldn't the H just be older and slower? Is there a certain version that would perform better than the one we have now?
Slack answered part of that. The scenerio guys want a 38 that is more accurate for early war setups. With the ENY balancer Im sure many 38 drivers would like an earlier model to jump in when the ENY hits 15.
Mabey to spin that around, why do all the other major fighters have at least 2 varients, and the P38 only have 1?
From the E to the L the speed difference at 25k is about 25mph. Without looking it up I think the H is about 12mph slower at 25K, mainly do to, iirc the inefficent engine cooling system in early models. So yea, it is older and slower. Nor does it have the dive fillets for compression recovery. Of course it doesnt have the L model tail warning radar...oh wait, neither does the AH L model:)
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Originally posted by Murdr
Slack answered part of that. The scenerio guys want a 38 that is more accurate for early war setups. With the ENY balancer Im sure many 38 drivers would like an earlier model to jump in when the ENY hits 15.
Mabey to spin that around, why do all the other major fighters have at least 2 varients, and the P38 only have 1?
From the E to the L the speed difference at 25k is about 25mph. Without looking it up I think the H is about 12mph slower at 25K, mainly do to, iirc the inefficent engine cooling system in early models. So yea, it is older and slower. Nor does it have the dive fillets for compression recovery. Of course it doesnt have the L model tail warning radar...oh wait, neither does the AH L model:)
That about covers it. And of course the early model with the smaller intakes just looks better in my opinion.
Dan/Slack
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Originally posted by Octavius
Wow! Thats some detailed work you've got there Murdr. Still relevant :) PJ University's link should be posted in the MOTD in the MA. Maybe some hamstards can get a clue!! ;)
Yea, just scanning back through some of these. For the most part things apply to the AH P38L. One of the main issues that need updated would be tactical consideration of the HO. Other that that, it is still pretty spot on.
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Those FTDs sure were fun to fight in a Pony....:(
-Phil9
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Originally posted by Guppy35
I never understood the term PJ and really hated it for some reason. I never saw or heard of a real P38 driver referring to his plane as a PJ.
What the heck is a PJ other then something my kids put on when they went to bed? :)
PJ = P38 J model
Back ina land long ago and far away in a Place called Airwarrior they had the P38 J
Everyone shortened it to PJ
And so its been called ever since
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I always assumed that it was 'PJ' was easier to type than P38. Then again, I thought rtb was a typing thing, until I heard Lt Osbourne the pilot of that spy plane talking in a press conference. He said "The other MIG rtbed...excuse me. Returned to base"
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
PJ = P38 J model
Back ina land long ago and far away in a Place called Airwarrior they had the P38 J
Everyone shortened it to PJ
And so its been called ever since
I understood where it came from. Nomads and 38s went hand in hand in Airwarrior :)
I just didn't get/like the term as used in AW.
My Nomad 38 was an F model anyway. Never could get the paperwork done to get a replacement J :)
Dan/Slack