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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rabbidrabbit on November 15, 2004, 10:23:42 AM
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Bummer to see him go... the 3 others are Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham (news - web sites), Education Secretary Rod Paige and Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman.
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Powell has served admirably for a long time. He deserves to get a break from being on the "front lines" of policy and in politics.
to him and his family.
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It was rumored that he'd only do one term. He served it well.
Powell had been viewed as a one-term secretary of state but he has always been vague about his intentions. He had said repeatedly in recent weeks that he serves at "the pleasure of the president."
One senior official said that Powell's departure was part of a much broader Cabinet shakeup, details of which should be disclosed soon.
There had been speculation that Powell might elect to stay on until after the Iraqi elections at the end of January, but the senior official made no reference to that possibility.
Iraq has dominated Powell's attention during his nearly four years as secretary of state. Powell will perhaps be best remembered for that U.N. Security Council appearance on Feb. 5, 2003, during which he argued that Saddam must be removed because of its possession of weapons of mass destruction. There is no evidence that those claims had any foundation. Powell has maintained all along that the use of force of by the American coalition in Iraq was justified.
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I am completely unimpressed with Powell. The scarey thing is they are saying Rice is a potentiol candidate. That lady is just plain SKERRY lol
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Did exactly what?
I am a Republican but I fail to see what he accomplished.
Sorry. I found him unimpressive and ineffectual.
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Originally posted by TalonX
Did exactly what?
I am a Republican but I fail to see what he accomplished.
Sorry. I found him unimpressive and ineffectual.
You gotta give the guy a break. It's not like you can have diplomacy with terrorists and the country's in Europe that oposed the US led invasion of Iraq were in bed with Sadam and used US hatred to get themselves re-elected.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
You gotta give the guy a break. It's not like you can have diplomacy with terrorists and the country's in Europe that oposed the US led invasion of Iraq were in bed with Sadam and used US hatred to get themselves re-elected.
Gotta agree with Gunslinger here, he was in a tough spot, plus it seems to me that for the last year at least he has been on the outs with the Bush camp. I mean he was making all the headlines for the first 2 years then he just fell off the scale somewhere. I am not suprised to see him go because with all the abuse and difficulties he faced the last 4 years he probably is just sick of it.
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Powell is just about the only member of the Bush team that can talk anyone at the UN into anything. They all have alot of respect for Colin Powell. Needless to say, most of them dont like Bush much, so he was invaluable to Bush as a go-between to the UN.
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Originally posted by TalonX
Did exactly what?
I am a Republican but I fail to see what he accomplished.
Sorry. I found him unimpressive and ineffectual.
That's because Bush never gave him any arrows for his quiver, especially when dealing with Isreal.
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General Powell did a very good job of advancing the interests of the United States by means 'other than War' during his term of service. Given what has happened since he took office, I could easily see someone wanting a rest after four years.
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Originally posted by Otto
General Powell did a very good job of advancing the interests of the United States by means 'other than War' during his term of service. Given what has happened since he took office, I could easily see someone wanting a rest after four years.
I was hearing today that that position is rarely held for a second term.
by the end of the first 4 years the person holding it is so worn out from the job they just want to get out.
On another thought. I think Rice is a poor choice for the position.
I think she would be better served in a different capacity.
Particularly with the Mid east Isreal Palastine situation.
The Isrealis might not have a problem with it but the Palastinians might not cotton to the idea of having a woman brokering a deal
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
...but the Palastinians might not cotton to the idea of having a woman brokering a deal
What gender is Madilyn Albright?
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
What gender is Madilyn Albright?
Gender heck, I think her species in in question!
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He should have resigned 2 years ago.
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Sorry to see that man go.
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Originally posted by Yeager
I am completely unimpressed with Powell. The scarey thing is they are saying Rice is a potentiol candidate. That lady is just plain SKERRY lol
What is it about Rice that you don't like, as a potential Secretary of State?
-Sik
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She's a Bush automaton.
Now the whole Bush admin will be a bunch a bushies that will be more interested in what they CAN do instead of whether or not they SHOULD with noone with the balls to stand up to GW.
Powell didn't need to have the EXACT same views that bush did to get the job done. I just worry that Rice will be more of a YES mame.
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Originally posted by mosgood
She's a Bush automaton.
Now the whole Bush admin will be a bunch a bushies that will be more interested in what they CAN do instead of whether or not they SHOULD with noone with the balls to stand up to GW.
Powell didn't need to have the EXACT same views that bush did to get the job done. I just worry that Rice will be more of a YES mame.
I agree that Rice tends to be more in line with the President than Powell was. I wouldn't go so far as to say that she's an automaton, or a yes man. Her neo-realism brand of foreign policy pre-dates her involvment with the current administration. That is what strikes me as interesting that Yeager isn't a fan. As a General rule, those who would prefer Powell to Rice as Sec State would be those who are more internationalist in their foreign Policy. I wasn't sure if Yeager fell into that camp or not, which is why I asked the question.
-Sik
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So...for NSA do you think it would be Wolfowitz? Or maybe Richard Pearle? Bill Kristol possibly even.
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Originally posted by crowMAW
So...for NSA do you think it would be Wolfowitz?
Asuming Rumsfeld stays on, I do think Wolfowitz will end up the NSA.
To be honest though, I wouldn't mind seeing Rice to Sec Def, Wolfowitz to NSA, and then go fishing for a new face for Secretary of State.
Then again, Bush has yet to contact me for my opinion :p
-Sik
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Hey, how does that chain of command go again? If Bush dies, Cheney is in charge, if Bush and Cheney dies, then the acting Sec. of State is in charge..correct?
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I'm sure hes got double the IQ than that of Bush
A man on wich u can see at first sight hes got good intentions.
A man with character that worked himself up as a blackman wich is not easy in the US.
First sight at Bush tells all.
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
A man with character that worked himself up as a blackman wich is not easy in the US.
Um, he's of Jamaican descent, Bug.
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Powell and the wailers :)
aren't they black ?
i knew hes jamaican
i really see a leader in that guy
I would follow him np
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Hey, how does that chain of command go again? If Bush dies, Cheney is in charge, if Bush and Cheney dies, then the acting Sec. of State is in charge..correct?
No, it goes to the Speaker of the House, followed by the leading Senator, and then to the Sec. State.
It would take a lot of dyin.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Sikboy
No, it goes to the Speaker of the House, followed by the leading Senator, and then to the Sec. State.
It would take a lot of dyin.
-Sik
Ah, thanks.
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A great man. He did a disgrace to himself by presenting the WMD party line in front of the UN but still...
I know that he won't run for President but IMO he will write down his name in history if he does.
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bad choice to have a women in there if she has to deal with the ME
Albright accomplished nothing with the ME
a women maybe ok for the girlie men types in Europe but not the backwards type leaders in the ME
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Originally posted by Sikboy
No, it goes to the Speaker of the House, followed by the leading Senator, and then to the Sec. State.
It would take a lot of dyin.
-Sik
No, No, NO!!!!!
It automatically goes to Al Haig!
:rofl
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The Neo Cons have the world by the throat now!
He was a good man! One of the few in the current govt that the rest of the world respected.
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Originally posted by deSelys
A great man. He did a disgrace to himself by presenting the WMD party line in front of the UN but still...
I know that he won't run for President but IMO he will write down his name in history if he does.
From what I recall it was the UN who felt the same way about WMD's. Please don't try to rewrite everything to put it on Powell. There was no disgrace for having the same opinion based on the same info the UN had at the time. :rolleyes: All sadumb had to do was cooperate fully with the inspectors and he'd likely still be there killing his own people.
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Originally posted by AWMac
No, No, NO!!!!!
It automatically goes to Al Haig!
:rofl
Ah! Someone who remembers that event! Exactly why I brought it to light :)
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Originally posted by Maverick
From what I recall it was the UN who felt the same way about WMD's. Please don't try to rewrite everything to put it on Powell. There was no disgrace for having the same opinion based on the same info the UN had at the time. :rolleyes: All sadumb had to do was cooperate fully with the inspectors and he'd likely still be there killing his own people.
Yeah riiiiiiiiight....