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Help and Support Forums => Aces High Bug Reports => Topic started by: DarkHawk on November 15, 2004, 01:11:16 PM
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I have found the following problem on a couple of maps. When taking off from any base with a formation of bomber, you will have the left side drone fall back and explode.
I have seen this on b24, Have not checked out any other bombers.
no matter how you try to allow that buff to catch up 4 out of 5 time it will not make it.
this drone fly over your plane then dive under fall way back and then try to catch up. the right side drone appears to have no problem making the connection.
this started showing up with the additon of patch number 2. does not appear to be field related.
I did not fail this. I know others in the squadron have been having the same problem 6 took off 4 lost there one drone
DarkHawk (DHawk)
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As soon as all planes are airborne -
Go level and throttle back to 45 manifold and lift flaps.
Drone will catch up.
Not a fix but should allow you to keep all drones.
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Kev
I tried that work about 60% of the time for the third drone Chop throttle go level at 200 ft, flaps or no flaps only works part of the time.
Thanks for the info
regards...................Dar kHawk (DHawk)
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FiLtH showed me this. Make sure you have no height obstructions in front of you when you takeoff. Takeoff with no flaps, go level 500 feet above ground level and then reduce manifold pressure to 35 inches. It takes from 90 to 120 seconds but the errant drone will catch up and form on your left wing.
So far its worked for me every time.
- MAG1C
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Ive had this problem also. the left drone wollows behind or hyper speeds past lead plane at takeoff and is usually lost if I dont throttle back and wait about 5 to 10 min.
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also I think its a game issue not a flight one since the right drone behaves fine.
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What I have found to work is have 2 noches of flaps, go full throttle, lift off gently and wait for drones to catch up then either lvl out and let your flaps go up automatically or stay at the angle and take your flaps up 1 noch and while watching drones then if they stay with you then if all is well lift flaps all the way.
Usually seems to work the key seems to be in the flaps in my op. But I do think this is a bug because only the 17's and the 24's seem to give me any problems.
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If you are full throttle, how are the drones suppose to be able to ever catch up? The key is to reduce throttle slightly untill the drones get tucked in.
HiTech
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Umm Hitech I said that going full throttle works fine with 2 notches flaps. But alot of the time if I slow down so do the drones then they lose alt, drop onto the ground and slide along. Then if I speed up they come off of the ground but fall behind.
One time in the 17's I spent at least 10 minuits going level and trying diferent speeds in an attemp to get he drones to form up and they never made it.
Seems to me that if I slow down and can stay in the air the drones should be going full throttle trying to form up and have even less trouble staying up. And if full throttle is the problem why do I not have any problems with the other bombers in the game? It's just the 17's and 24's and usually only 1 drone.
Sorry HT i'm getting a little long winded here if you say it's not a bug then I'll survive. Like I said I have found a system that works for me and I prefer the 26's, KI67's and JU88's any way although I would love somthing else to spend all these perks on. Bring on the AR 232 armed transport.;) I'll give up some perks for guns on a goon.
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Originally posted by hitech
If you are full throttle, how are the drones suppose to be able to ever catch up? The key is to reduce throttle slightly untill the drones get tucked in.
HiTech
Matters not...Full 30 inches 40 inches on the manifold. The B24 Drone lags till lost everytime in the latest patch. It need looking at.
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OK more specifically heres is the problem i have with the B24J formation.
On take off the #2 plane...that’s the one on left of the lead plane.
will rotate with the lead and the #3 plane just fine. At about 300to 500 ft. AGL...the #2 plane will sharply dive to the deck.....land on the ground and roll out for about 4 to 6 seconds. At which time it will rotate again and try to catch the lead and the #3 plane. It will catch up IF the lead plane sets throttle to about 30 Inches on the Manifold.. However the lead plane with 75% or more fuel at 30 Inches Manifold pressure will ride the stall buzzer and even sink. Is the correct?
The throttle settings on take off can be varied from full to 35 inches on Manifold and it doesn’t help...Flaps can be 2 notches to none...still no help. I do not have this problem with any of the other level bomber formations. Something wrong?
I have tried to recalibrate my joystick in a last effort. Still no help.
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Originally posted by DarkHawk
Kev
I tried that work about 60% of the time for the third drone Chop throttle go level at 200 ft, flaps or no flaps only works part of the time.
Thanks for the info
regards...................Dar kHawk (DHawk)
I think you need to go over 250 ft AGL before the drones start to follow you.
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I watched a AR234 drone (left one) go past me then hit the ground lift back to me then disapear after climbing up 1000ft right drone was perfect its def a bug only cost 58 perks to see it happen :rolleyes:
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I agree...it only seems the #2(or left) Drone has the trouble. Have tried various thing to solve it but nothing. No troubles with the B-17 but I only have had troubles with the new B-24j.
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
OK more specifically heres is the problem i have with the B24J formation.
On take off the #2 plane...that’s the one on left of the lead plane.
will rotate with the lead and the #3 plane just fine. At about 300to 500 ft. AGL...the #2 plane will sharply dive to the deck.....land on the ground and roll out for about 4 to 6 seconds. At which time it will rotate again and try to catch the lead and the #3 plane. It will catch up IF the lead plane sets throttle to about 30 Inches on the Manifold.. However the lead plane with 75% or more fuel at 30 Inches Manifold pressure will ride the stall buzzer and even sink. Is the correct?
The throttle settings on take off can be varied from full to 35 inches on Manifold and it doesn’t help...Flaps can be 2 notches to none...still no help. I do not have this problem with any of the other level bomber formations. Something wrong?
I have tried to recalibrate my joystick in a last effort. Still no help.
Does this happen to you everywhere or only at certain fields/headings?
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No Pyro...it happens on all takeoff directions and fields and differnet maps.
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It happens everywhere. Lastnight I took off with b24's. The left drone went past me then slowed up and lost alt. It then went into the ground but cont to fly. Then it eventually caught up and all was well again,lol. Btw, I was full throttle when the drone past me.
Dogg
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Originally posted by hitech
If you are full throttle, how are the drones suppose to be able to ever catch up? The key is to reduce throttle slightly untill the drones get tucked in.
HiTech
Hitech this does NOT work... I am sick of it. This is not a new complaint I have sent in films demonstrating this with all types of bombers - never one reply. can it be fixed?
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I've tested looked for this problem on B-17s, B-26s, JU-88s, Lancasters and Ki-67s. The B-24 is the only bomber that seems to have this takeoff bug.
As noted above, the work-around is to takeoff in a direction clear of high obstructions, level off at 300-500 feet above ground level and reduce power to 30-35" manifold pressure. The drone will join the formation in 90-120 seconds and then behave normally.
- MAG1C
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I rarely have a problem with losing drones on take-off; just takes a bit of patience. On one flight last night I wasn't paying attention and the take-off direction wasn't the best with hills close to the end of the runway.... I lost both my drones. I tried again, this time taking off into the opposite direction - OK, I'll have to turn after take-off, no biggie..... This time the end of the runway was clear and flat, so I hit full throttle and took off. After getting airborne and gear up, I then levelled off at about 500 ft, went to outside view and pan view mode (F8) to watch as the drones caught up and formed. Usually they will form OK at 100% throttle, but backing off slightly sometimes helps them to close a bit easier. As soon as they were formed, it was back to full throttle, I started my turn and began climbing. It only takes a few minutes, but its well-worth taking the time needed. :)
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I dont have the problem EVERY time, but often enough. If I take off in a certain plane, say a B17 from a set alt with a certain bomb load, the software should be consistent enough that the same method under the same circumstances should produce the same result. I followed Hitechs instructions to the letter. I even sent them films 3 times demonstrating this. They were not interested enough apparently to correct the problem, nor were they even courteous enough to respond to the emails after i took the time to be sure that I followed their instructions AND send them films demonstrating the problem. This software bug seems to mainly affect the heavy bombers... the b17s, lancs and probably the 24 (i dont fly it)
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Test Conditions:
B24J
Bomb Load: 8 x 1000 lbs
Fuel: 100%
Flaps: Down 1 notch
Gear: Raised at liftoff
The #2 bomber in the B24J formation out accelerates both the #1 and #3 bombers during the ground roll and gets airborne first. The #2 bomber then passes the #1 bomber. What happens next depends on what the #1 bomber does.
If #1 stays low, #2 and #3 will continue to fly runway heading and will attempt to form up either after a certain distance from the runway or when #1 climbs to a certain level above the terrain. In this scenario there is a danger of loosing both #2 and #3 to the left or right if #1 does not also maintain runway heading.
If #1 climbs at best angle (1 notch of flaps, weak stall horn) and climbs to that certain level above the terrain, both #2 and #3 will attempt to form up immediately. The #3 bomber will form up quickly – close to the end of the runway. The #2 bomber, being in front and above #1, will cut its throttles in an attempt to fall back into formation. But slowing down putts it close to the stall. #2 then goes into a dive in order to maintain flying speed with cut throttles. By the time #2 is behind #1 it is well below the formation and cannot accelerate and climb to get into position. Unless the formation levels (or descends slightly) and slows to near stall speed, the #2 bomber will be lost.
I consider the rapid acceleration of the #2 B24J bomber during the takeoff roll a bug.
MachNix
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I have more problems with the left drone on the 17's than the 24's. With the 24's if I am gentle and stay at a constant light angle I usually don't have much of a problem but the 17's on the other hand go nuts even if I lvl out and cut throttle after achieving 200ft. The left drone shoots over leed then falls back diving and drags on the ground and is usually lost at this point, although I have managed to save it time to time but this usually involvs 5 min of playing with the throttle trying to find that perfect speed.
And today I managed to get a flight of 17's up intact with some difficulty and after flying for some time made my turn for target and the drones seemed sluggish and acted like the invisible rubber band they are on was getting weak. The drones dropped back some and took awhile to catch up again. Never have this happen on any other bombers even the 24's seem to be ok in this regard.