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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: grizz on December 28, 2000, 02:15:00 PM
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If you are having trouble landing the carrier, try this. It works for me and maybe it will help you too. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Sorry about the size of the pics..tried to make them small but still legible. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(http://www.members.home.com/k.plante/carrier1.gif)
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griz
THUNDERBIRDS
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Nice tutorial!
thanks I need it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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Nice tutorial, but please show us one in the F6f with a landing.
I can put all the planes down almost everytime, except the f6f. What's your tip on the f6f?
Ranger Bob
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Originally posted by RangerBob:
What's your tip on the f6f?
Ranger Bob
Ditch and swim. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Seriously now, (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I haven't been able to land the F6F either. Touching the deck is instant death. No matter the speed, glide slope...it's touch..BOOOM!! Bug maybe?
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griz
THUNDERBIRDS
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I got no problem landing the F6F. Along with the TBM its the easiest because of its good forward visibility.
But I fly a Seafire approach, which is totally different.
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Well speak up juzz, share with the class!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I've tried high approaches, low approaches, fast, slow, flaps down, no flaps...i've even tried it inverted (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)....as soon as the wheels touch the deck..BOOM...shark chud !
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griz
THUNDERBIRDS
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Something that helps me with both planes is to use the page-up key to lift my head for more visibility. Only use it on final aproach and practice it off-line. It can be somewhat disorienting at first... but with some practice it helps alot.
AKDejaVu
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The F6F will explode on landing if you have the tailhook down every time. Pull the tailhook in and just land it with the gear down and you can set it down just fine. BTW, the area with the arresting wires is also a hot-rearm pad. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'm sure this is a bug and will be addressed quickly!
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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
A member of The Flying Pigs http://www.flyingpigs.com (http://www.flyingpigs.com)
"A pig is a jolly companion, Boar, sow, barrow, or gilt --
A pig is a pal, who'll boost your morale, Though mountains may topple and tilt.
When they've blackballed, bamboozled, and burned you, When they've turned on you, Tory and Whig,
Though you may be thrown over by Tabby and Rover, You'll never go wrong with a pig, a pig,
You'll never go wrong with a pig!" -- Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"
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Excellent tutorial. Thanks much. I've achieved carrier landings in WarBirds but so far in Aces High am batting zero in roughly 472 attempts (but hey, who's counting?. Here's hoping for a hang-glider or helicopter winch in 1.06.
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See this thread for stuff on "Seafire approach" - http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/001246.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/001246.html)
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Thanks ! Your efforts to help are great . Now to practice more .
BTW I did land a Hellcat twice offline , 8 tries 6 deaths , once no hook , once with . Man it is too hard IMO but maybe this will help , god I hope so . In WB's offline , could do it first time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Hell to land online anyway , they turn the ship so much doubt I could get it down anyway .
cheers spro
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Leph--
I dont have any problem landing the F6F or the spit on the Carrier. Im no expert but I get them down in one piece prolly 75% of the time. That is with the hook down, snatching the AC to a halt. Now the TBM I dont have much to add..mostly becuase I have failed to rtb that big fat juicy target (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
(http://home.nc.rr.com/ammo/public.html/unw_sig.jpg) (http://www.jump.net/~cs3)
Aces High Training Corp
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Maybe it's an "offline" problem? I'll have to do some testing in the TA and see what's up.
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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
A member of The Flying Pigs http://www.flyingpigs.com (http://www.flyingpigs.com)
"A pig is a jolly companion, Boar, sow, barrow, or gilt --
A pig is a pal, who'll boost your morale, Though mountains may topple and tilt.
When they've blackballed, bamboozled, and burned you, When they've turned on you, Tory and Whig,
Though you may be thrown over by Tabby and Rover, You'll never go wrong with a pig, a pig,
You'll never go wrong with a pig!" -- Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"
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Just did 3 consecutive offline landings leph, maybe something in your setup?
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I've done landing with F4U, F6F, Seafire and Zeke. I can't say 'no problem' (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
With F6F, I've done low and slow approach with hook, with F4U like Grizz taught, with Zeke and seafire, low and slow...
Gotta practice... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/harri.j.niemi/HarpDog.gif)
Harppa
III/JG5
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I've done CV-landings with all navy-planes and also in Lanc,G-10 and couple other.
And take-offs too... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Ok, I must just suck. I can now complete CV landings in the F6F5 and the TBM with the hook down with no problems. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I think I was going too fast before.
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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
A member of The Flying Pigs http://www.flyingpigs.com (http://www.flyingpigs.com)
"A pig is a jolly companion, Boar, sow, barrow, or gilt --
A pig is a pal, who'll boost your morale, Though mountains may topple and tilt.
When they've blackballed, bamboozled, and burned you, When they've turned on you, Tory and Whig,
Though you may be thrown over by Tabby and Rover, You'll never go wrong with a pig, a pig,
You'll never go wrong with a pig!" -- Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"
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I can't get the hook down (shift-G)...no hook visible, no light...anyone else having this problem?
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Andy, you may have to set it up in the keyboard set up thingie. Mine was blank and had to fill in the hook command.
Thanks for the CV landing tips!! very nice instructions (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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1776
Many thanks..I forgot about that...works fine now.
Andy
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I was getting surprised at instant deaths when smoothly touching down on the CV with the tailhook extended and discovered that these "deaths" are caused by too much speed at touchdown. It seems that 120mph is about the maximum speed that you can use with the tailhook extended.
It's too bad that catching the wire too fast doesn't just rip off the rear fuselage of the aircraft and let you go tumbling forward across the deck of the ship before you die. I really like the WarBirds feature that shows you a brief external view of what is happening to the aircraft as you die.
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Regards,
Tom Bigelow , Borg
Rogue Gryffons
My Page: http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/borg999/aviation-1.html (http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/borg999/aviation-1.html)
[This message has been edited by Borg (edited 01-03-2001).]
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The odd thing here is the apparent significance of touchdown sink rate. Most folks seem to think that a 'grease job' (minimum sink rate) is the key to success in this sim.
Why is that odd? Because that is exactly opposite of real life. There's a lot of truth to the old joke about 'Navy landings'! When 'Paddles' gave the cut, that's exactly what the pilot did...cut the power. The aircraft then sank on to the deck...and not too gently!
Oh well...
Andy
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Well Fellas,
I CQ'd in the F6F yesterday. (That's Carrier Qualified for my non-naval friends).
I had to bolter (thats Go Around for you AAC types) because the skipper decided to do a full left rudder turn while i was in the groove.
Anyway...I was successful on first attempt and if I can help anyone here is what I did...
Full flaps, Hook down Wheels down (DONT FORGET THE HOOK..or the wheels), 125kts, nose slightly high, power setting necessary to maintain sink rate, chop power over the fantail. It was no where near as hard as I thought.
By the way, practice spot landings on the airbase...this can get ya ready.
If anyone wants to go and shoot some carrier approaches with me call me in the air...callsign streek, RW equipped.
later
Patrick "streek" Duncan
CO 56th Screaming Pinheads
(if my boys ever show up...)
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PS....your touchdown speed will be about 100kt IAS. (Of course your speed over the wires will be less because of the speed of the CV)
streek
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but, I think alot of Warbird pilots have a difficult time re-learning CV landings, I play WB's HTH, and I can assure you one can kind of 'slam' the hook down, it allows alot more room for error...in AH, as in real life, everything must be precise. I've done more wave offs than I ever did in WB's...in WB CV landings, if approach was to high, I can 'stall' the plane into a landing, hard bounce, hook grabs,....not so in AH.
No problems with landing any A/C here, except the F6F...I've yet to make a successful landing in the F6F, but I think I know what my problem is..too much speed, too fast of a descent.
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I made several traps last night in the TBM.
Easy plane to bring aboard ship. (just don't stall it low!!)
Only problem I have had in making carrier
landings has been the visibility over the nose in the F4U.
I HAVE landed the F4U successfuly, but I have had more bolters in that one. Last night I tried the curving approach to final.
Works great! Thats what the real ones had to do.
streek
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i had trouble too - especially with visibility in the hogs...
i fixed it by keeping the front of the carrier in view instead of the back on approach. i aim the top of the cowling ahead of the wires rather that at them - so instead of having to flare and catch them you settle down nicely on them. this assures you will hit the deck at least instead of coming in too low and plowing into the stern. as i get close the deck comes into view and i just plop it down, full flaps right at about 100 mph with a little throttle to keep the sink rate ok- it keeps you flatter rather than dipping the nose during the last few seconds and throwin your speed off.
in the f6f it isnt as necessary - i look right at the wires due to good viz and the only trick is timing your flare so you catch just right
as for the seafire
1. pray
2. hold breath!
3. close eyes
the recommended speed for landing is around 120 but seem to be able to land anything if i get it down to 100 or less - stalling has never been a problem so long as you keep the throttle in-
[This message has been edited by mrfish (edited 01-05-2001).]
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Cheers help me a lot
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This sucks , the pics are not there anymore (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
grizz would u mail them to me ? or put them up again ? Our newer air's in AH are going to do traps this weekend .
I just knew I should have saved them all . Anyone have them if grizz don't respond ?
spro
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<S> airspro. I've reposted them AND sent them to you. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I had forgot I removed them to make room for my son's book report for school. Limited server space and all. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Anyway...they are back again.
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griz
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I think takeoff is much harder that landing with F4U. Ones I get three ground loops to death in row :-( Yes,I have a rudder but still FU is like a wild horse! "Keep ball center, keep ball center, keep...." mantra.
I read some where that WW2 pilots skid litlebit to get better visibility aside of the nose. Anybody try this?
Xjazz
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Are there flight differences to launching from a carrier in offline mode and online mode? I haven't had any problems getting the F4U and Seafire off of the carrier deck in offline play. Is there a easy flight model I don't know about? Basically, I give about 4 notches of flaps on the F4U, throw the brakes on, and throttle up. When she's humming, I let loose on the brakes, use rudder to keep her straight and nose down. When I clear the deck, immediate gear up, pull back just a tad on the stick, and gradually start raising flaps. I dunno if that's the appropriate way to do it, but it works for me offline. Haven't tried it online yet or in HtH. Landings are another story... *grins*
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Yeah thats about it, If your Hvy engage Wep as well.
As for landings I do things the same for all AC albeit a bit different than whats described here, I line up at about 1k alt Full flaps, gear, hook(if aplicable), Sauntering in I hit 'x' for auto when lined up straight, 'Page up'& over for better view, Adjust throttle for good sink rate keeping a minor sounding stall horn and usually catch the middle wire cutting the throttle over the fantail.
[This message has been edited by AcId (edited 04-19-2001).]