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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: NUKE on November 15, 2004, 09:56:58 PM
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to the US and Iraqi forces for a brilliant victory in Fallujah.
It's the kind of job that we know we can do when the PC news and politics does not prevent what needs to be done to win in war.
Thanks to all who have supported this effort to free Iraq from terror, great job!
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All the men and woman of the armed forces and the sacrafices they have made too put their lives on the line.
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I salute them also. But I realize I am living in a warzone also. More Americans were killed in New Orleans this weekend than Fallujah. God help us all.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
I salute them also. But I realize I am living in a warzone also. More Americans were killed in New Orleans this weekend than Fallujah. God help us all.
how many people were killed in New Orleans this weekend?
I'd bet more were killed in Fallujah.
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Seven
25 shot, but survived.
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In about a week, maybe 1500 people were killed in Fallujah. Don't even try to compair that to those killed in a US city.
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I said Americans, read again.
I'm sorry you don't see a problem with 32 casualites in a US city on a given weekend.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
I said Americans, read again
point taken.
It just goes to show how brilliant the Fallujah operation has been.
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Good to hear...hopefully we have that entire piss-hole secured enough to give full control back over to the Iraqis sooner rather than later. And hopefully when that happens, our soldiers come home, and don't end up on another wild goose chase.
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wtg with the executions!
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WTG for the exermination of all the terrorists in Fallujah!
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Originally posted by Fishu
wtg with the executions!
You actully support the executions and beheadings carried out by the terrorists in Fallujah?
Man you are sick.
WTG USA and Iraq!
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Originally posted by Fishu
wtg with the executions!
Ass.
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Originally posted by NUKE
You actully support the executions and beheadings carried out by the terrorists in Fallujah?
Man you are sick.
WTG USA and Iraq!
C'Mon NUKE, he's refering to the video of the Marine shooting the wounded Iraqi. From an international POV that was an execution.
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Originally posted by Airhead
C'Mon NUKE, he's refering to the video of the Marine shooting the wounded Iraqi. From an international POV that was an execution.
yeah...
just putting his assinine quote into context.
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WTG, now loose the camera crew. No wait Im a french jorunalest and I b captured! Save me please.
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Clearly the Marine killing the insurgent was not something systematic. Abu Grabh represented a visible aspect of systematic prisoner abuse both in Iraq and Afghanistan. This strikes me as an isolated incident. **** happens in war. It's obviously not American policy to go around shooting helpless Iraqi insurgents in mosques.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Fallujah is just the the name of a city with buildings in it. You can conquer it, but you would just be the proud new owners of a city with buildings in it.
There's already widespread grumblings amongst the Pentagon folks... of dissapointment. They, like many of us, were hoping for a higher body count.
Now they gotta drag their arses to one of the other corners of the triangle and do the whole charade over again. That triangle is gonna start seeming like a damned circle.
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Originally posted by Nash
Fallujah is just the the name of a city with buildings in it. You can conquer it, but you would just be the proud new owners of a city with buildings in it.
There's already widespread grumblings amongst the Pentagon folks... of dissapointment. They, like many of us, were hoping for a higher body count.
Now they gotta drag their arses to one of the other corners of the triangle and do the whole charade over again. That triangle is gonna start seeming like a damned circle.
The city is rid of terrorists. Pretty much all that needs to be said.
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Cool...
Where'd they go?
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to hell I think.
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Originally posted by SOB
Good to hear...hopefully we have that entire piss-hole secured enough to give full control back over to the Iraqis sooner rather than later. And hopefully when that happens, our soldiers come home, and don't end up on another wild goose chase.
//troll
According to TweetyBird's post aren't they safer in Fallujah than New Orléans ?
:confused:
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"From an international POV that was an execution.
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what other point of view is there as to what it was?
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The POV of the Marine.
Do we know what that Marine saw?
Did we see others feign surrender only to kill you buddies?
Did we see someone, who very well may have still been a threat to the Marine's personal well being, rolling off a IED trigger, pulling out a grenade, or some other slight move that could reasonably have been interpreted as a threat?
Perhaps it would be reasonable to withold judgement until more is known about the incident.
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I've seen stuff on the internet that would make marines crap their pants.
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Originally posted by NUKE
to the US and Iraqi forces for a brilliant victory in Fallujah.
It's the kind of job that we know we can do when the PC news and politics does not prevent what needs to be done to win in war.
Thanks to all who have supported this effort to free Iraq from terror, great job!
you think? i thought we win fight for "hearts and mindes " year ago
That s reminde me scene from Indiana Jones when Harrison Ford shooting from gun to swordsman.
You know term Pyrrus victory?
Tell me in wichone country ocupied forces win whole war? sooner or later insurgences will win. Gov will be changed. Terrorist will become trusted politicans.
But only noone wil bring back to life thos one who fight in this war. They pay the biggest price
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Good news: Falludja has been eliminated (at least for a while) as a terroristic base
But there are also bad news:
1. Many terrorists escaped the city before the attack came
2. The new iraqui army had again many deserters because they refused to shoot on iraquis.
3. While the occupation forces where busy with Falludja many iraqui cities - including the 3rd biggest city of Iraq, Mossul - came under control of the terrorists.
In Mossul police stations and iraq army posts were stormed and the policemen and iraqui soldiers there again left their posts and retreated. Many Mossul policemen defected to the rebels.
4. Important pipelines were sabotaged by terrorists
5. There were in many iraqui cities Anti-Allawi demonstrations who is considered as a Quisling by more iraquis than ever before
6. The city of Falludja is extremely damaged because of the fightings, so the 200000 civilians who fled from the city before the fightings now have the job to find new homes
7. The shiites are happy because with Falludja one of the most important sunnite bases has been destroyed
8. The terrorists will get many new fanatic recruits who want to fight against the occupation forces and the soldiers/policemen of the Allawi puppetregime because of the pictures shown from Falludja
But nevertheless its a victory.
I wouldnt call it brilliant, but at least the city has been captured.
OK - there are still fightings in Falludja but when Bush had the right to tell the people that the Iraq war is over in his funny "Mission Accomplished"-show why the commanders of the Falludja campaign shouldnt tell the same ?
The main problem is that there are only so few occupation forces in Iraq - trying to deal with terrorists who operate in the whole country.
As long as this number is not increased there will be many Falludja-pyrrus-victories with no hope that the terror-attacks will stop.
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don't be silly... a city that is controlled by terrorists is a stronghold... if you destroy or chase them out they have to getr reorganized in a new place and are weakened. If you chase em out of enough places they are so weak that the government police and troops can take care of the isolated groups of terrorists. soon... the cops outnumber the terrorists and no amount of hand wringing can change that equation.
lazs
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What's amazing is when you read some of the left leaning press reports about fallujah. They're calling it a defeat before it barely even began. It's sad to see that people actually don't want Americans to succeed in Iraq.
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Originally posted by Fishu
wtg with the executions!
Interesting, where was the "rage" from Fishu when hostages were being executed?
There was none.
Fishu is the enemy.
Originally posted by Fishu in the Nick Berg thread:
For conspiracy theorists, this is quite a gem with all the happenings.
First was revealed how iraqi prisoners were tortured/humiliated, which made it possible to really damage Bush's support.
Then happened this outrageous act, which conveniently happens to also really increase support for the war and Bush.
It's a wonder if good bunch of people suddenly doesn't see torture/humiliation of iraqi prisoners under a whole new light.
Also somewhat conveniently it happens to be Al Qaeda, after they hadn't been under the spotlight for a long time in Iraq.
Attention used to be more on the other militant/terrorist groups out there.
Nobody wouldn't either believe such an outrageous act would been created by some US based goverment organization.
All in all, it's going to greatly increase support for the war & Bush and make torture/humiliation of iraqi prisoners a lesser evil than it was.
However most likely nobody will never know who really were behind it.
and before someone begins screaming bloody murder, the above 'conspiracy theory' is not really what I do think of it.
but it's always interesting after all whats happened.
Although it's not an impossible scenario, since beheading someone wouldn't be anything compared to some things which some goverments have done to drive their own benefit.
Like the very recent case where some dozen refugees were shot on purpose and then told to been terrorist - just to say to certain countries "we are serious with war on terrorism".
(I don't recall the country which did this and was revealed just recently.. hmpf)
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fishu is irrelevant.
lazs
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Ooooo Fishu's now on Ripsnort's "black list". Run Fishu, RUN!!!
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I have heard of a pyrrhic victory...
This is a somewhat arcane reference to the on going horrific losses Pyrrhus suffered in defeat of the Romans.... So, a pyrrhic victory is one in which you technically win, but sustain such losses as to render the victory almost moot.
End of vocabulary lesson.
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Did they find any WMD?
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Originally posted by Fishu
wtg with the executions!
handsomehunk!
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Originally posted by babek-
Good news: Falludja has been eliminated (at least for a while) as a terroristic base
But there are also bad news:
1. Many terrorists escaped the city before the attack came
2. The new iraqui army had again many deserters because they refused to shoot on iraquis.
3. While the occupation forces where busy with Falludja many iraqui cities - including the 3rd biggest city of Iraq, Mossul - came under control of the terrorists.
In Mossul police stations and iraq army posts were stormed and the policemen and iraqui soldiers there again left their posts and retreated. Many Mossul policemen defected to the rebels.
4. Important pipelines were sabotaged by terrorists
5. There were in many iraqui cities Anti-Allawi demonstrations who is considered as a Quisling by more iraquis than ever before
6. The city of Falludja is extremely damaged because of the fightings, so the 200000 civilians who fled from the city before the fightings now have the job to find new homes
7. The shiites are happy because with Falludja one of the most important sunnite bases has been destroyed
8. The terrorists will get many new fanatic recruits who want to fight against the occupation forces and the soldiers/policemen of the Allawi puppetregime because of the pictures shown from Falludja
But nevertheless its a victory.
I wouldnt call it brilliant, but at least the city has been captured.
OK - there are still fightings in Falludja but when Bush had the right to tell the people that the Iraq war is over in his funny "Mission Accomplished"-show why the commanders of the Falludja campaign shouldnt tell the same ?
The main problem is that there are only so few occupation forces in Iraq - trying to deal with terrorists who operate in the whole country.
As long as this number is not increased there will be many Falludja-pyrrus-victories with no hope that the terror-attacks will stop.
and all the while, Germany, France and Russia sit on their collective tulips doing nothing to help us....how about that!
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Originally posted by Rude
and all the while, Germany, France and Russia sit on their collective tulips doing nothing to help us....how about that!
Who are they?
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Originally posted by Fishu
wtg with the executions!
Why don't you crawl back into your cave?
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Originally posted by Rude
and all the while, Germany, France and Russia sit on their collective tulips doing nothing to help us....how about that!
I don't see why they should be obliged to clean up the mess that we made for ourselves. However, it would certainly be a noble endeavour to do it for the Iraqis, despite their feelings toward the actions of the US.
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The US military is doing this as humanely as possible. If it were up to me I would have given everyone in the city 24 hours to leave and surrender. Then I would have leveled the place.
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Originally posted by AKIron
The US military is doing this as humanely as possible. If it were up to me I would have given everyone in the city 24 hours to leave and surrender. Then I would have leveled the place.
Thankfully, you aren't in a position to make that decision.
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Originally posted by SOB
Thankfully, you aren't in a position to make that decision.
Damn right about that. After 9/11 I'd have used a few nukes and made a few examples of what happens when you mess with us.
Cooler heads usually prevail.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Damn right about that. After 9/11 I'd have used a few nukes and made a few examples of what happens when you mess with us.
Cooler heads usually prevail.
Hey dude, your guys invaded the wrong country, the 9/11 terrorists where from Saudi Arabia.
I cant understand why you keep mixing up 9/11 and Iraq..
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Originally posted by Maniac
Hey dude, your guys invaded the wrong country, the 9/11 terrorists where from Saudi Arabia.
I cant understand why you keep mixing up 9/11 and Iraq..
Saudi would have been number 1 on my target list.
The indirect approach may prove to be better. I never claimed to have diplomatic tendencies.
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I wouldn't lump Russia in with those two. Putin has given some support.
And then there's soldiers there from russian speaking countries. They used to be soviet soldiers, that should count for something.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Saudi would have been number 1 on my target list.
The indirect approach may prove to be better. I never claimed to have diplomatic tendencies.
You should sign up for the army!
:rofl
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Originally posted by Maniac
You should sign up for the army!
:rofl
I'm a little old, though I did spend 20 years in the USAF, you?
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Originally posted by AKIron
I'm a little old, though I did spend 20 years in the USAF, you?
Nah, dont belive you, you sound like a 15 yr old boy that havnt learned to piss straight.
:aok
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Originally posted by Maniac
Nah, dont belive you, you sound like a 15 yr old boy that havnt learned to piss straight.
:aok
Don't give a s**t what you believe hugahunk.
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Originally posted by SOB
I don't see why they should be obliged to clean up the mess that we made for ourselves. However, it would certainly be a noble endeavour to do it for the Iraqis, despite their feelings toward the actions of the US.
I suppose we were not too thrilled to send hundreds of thousands of troops to die on european dirt either, but we did.
We have a common enemy....the shining difference is we were not engaged in commerce(oil for food)with them as the UN was. It's time to commit to the weakening of this common enemy before it's too late.
One nuke on American soil and we will all long for the days of the war in Iraq....instead, the world will change forever and momentum will carry us to a place only written about in books.....the better choice is to unite in our efforts to control terrorism, not turn against each other.
But hey....what do I know.....I'm just a handsomehunk from Kansas.
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Heh guess that point is proven now :)
Edit: pointing AKIron's answer to Maniac.
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Originally posted by Staga
Heh guess that point is proven now :)
Edit: pointing AKIron's answer to Maniac.
The bozo called me a liar and insulted me, never claimed I was as mature as my age. Make an issue of my service though and you'll have egg on yer face.
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Originally posted by Maniac
Nah, dont belive you, you sound like a 15 yr old boy that havnt learned to piss straight.
:aok
Kind of funny coming from a person who still swings his feet on the toilet and spews stupidity. :aok
Karaya
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Rude, I won't entertain any comparison between what's happening in Iraq today, and WWII. That's just foolish...I don't mean to be a jerk, but damn. I also don't think invading Iraq had done anything to make the US safer, and certainly don't think that us just having a strong military presence in Iraq negates the possibility of an attack here in the U.S. But hey, I too am just a handsomehunk, except I'm from Oregon.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
The POV of the Marine.
Do we know what that Marine saw?
Did we see others feign surrender only to kill you buddies?
Did we see someone, who very well may have still been a threat to the Marine's personal well being, rolling off a IED trigger, pulling out a grenade, or some other slight move that could reasonably have been interpreted as a threat?
Perhaps it would be reasonable to withold judgement until more is known about the incident.
Never mind that said Marine had been shot in the face the day before, after seeing 1 of his buddies killed and 5 wounded by a booby-trapped insurgent body.
He could very well have thought the guy had a grenade or something.
Either way, he sent him to vahalla, which what these guys want anyway.So, in my mind, he did him a favor
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Originally posted by Rude
We have a common enemy....the shining difference is we were not engaged in commerce(oil for food)with them as the UN was. It's time to commit to the weakening of this common enemy before it's too late.
We have a common enemy?! Seriously?
Not engaged in commerce, yes, sure, just giving political asylum to known terrorists and giving them highly-payed jobs in Department of State, this is an American participation in war on terrorism.