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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nash on November 17, 2004, 11:36:07 AM
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I've been playing this one called Vietcong... basically the only FPS I've really played for more than a few days. But, my k/d has gotta be somewheres near 1/10... if that.
It's like, I'll be lying in a bush kinda hidden with my gun trained on a small area where I know the enemy is gonna pop out of. When he does, he kills me. I just don't know how to get any good at these things.
Does anyone have any tips?
Also, besides Medal of Honor, what's the king of WWII FPS for online play?
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"Call of Duty" is a must if you like Medal of Honor.:aok
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DoD (original)
DoD:Source (upcoming)
Red Orchestra (UT2004 mod)
They'll be a bit more realistic and probably to your liking. Kinda like AH is to XWing.
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Joint Operations was superb untill the latest patch.
I dont know if they have pulled the demo yet, but if you can find it, try it...
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It's like, I'll be lying in a bush kinda hidden with my gun trained on a small area where I know the enemy is gonna pop out of. When he does, he kills me.
CAMPER! BWAHAHAHAHA!!! :D :rofl
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Originally posted by Nash
Also, besides Medal of Honor, what's the king of WWII FPS for online play?
Return to Castle Wolfenstein - Enemy Territory
Find it on google, it is free.
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Red Orchestra and DoD are the best FPS I've ever played.
Much better than Call of Duty, which is very lack lustre in multiplayer mode.
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I agree on Red Orchestra (http://redorchestramod.gameservers.net/). Most realistic WWII FPS out there. Of course you need UT2004 since it's a mod.
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FYI in any FPS, the AI sees through bushes and trees, so hiding in them does no good.
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Originally posted by Maniac
Joint Operations was superb untill the latest patch.
I like Joint Operations, but a problem is that grass does not render at long distances. So even though you may be hidden in a patch of grass and the enemy in your vicinity can't see you, the guy 100 yards away can because he doesn't see grass at that distance.
Day of Defeat is great in multiplayer. Call of Duty multiplayer was disappointing.
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Originally posted by Nash
I've been playing this one called Vietcong... basically the only FPS I've really played for more than a few days. But, my k/d has gotta be somewheres near 1/10... if that.
It's like, I'll be lying in a bush kinda hidden with my gun trained on a small area where I know the enemy is gonna pop out of. When he does, he kills me. I just don't know how to get any good at these things.
Does anyone have any tips?
Also, besides Medal of Honor, what's the king of WWII FPS for online play?
Battlefield 1942 is the king. It's not the best imho, but it definately has the largest following. Battlefield Vietnam didn't seem quiet as successful. 1942 though is cool since you can fly (granted, arcade style), drive tanks (again, arcade style), shoot artillery (they have a sweet "camera" style system), drive battleships, u-boats, landing boats, etc.
Call of Duty, while it doesn't have BF 1942's following, is one of my absolute favorite FPS games. The single-player is cool, and the deathmatch is very, very fast paced & brutal. I just hope they nerfluffied the PPSh, since it was ridiculously overpowered for good, balanced gameplay.
Day of Defeat, based on the good ol' Half-Life (ala Quake) engine probably has the best infantry vs infantry ww2 gaming of them all... it's just not all that realistic. Still the best ww2 lemmingfest available though.. and it's free as long as you have a steam cd-key. You can go get Half-Life for $5 from the bargain bin, and it'll let you fully upgrade to get Counter-Strike, Day of Defeat, Species, & all that for free.
A few tricks to increasing your FPS skill:
1) Play using Keyboard & Mouse. Seems obvious, but it has to be pointed out. Mice are infinately more responsive and accurate than a keyboard will ever be.
2) Continually lower your in-game mouse sensitivity. A movement of the mouse from dead center, to the far right of your mouse-pad should be a 180 degree turn. Not everybody knows this one. My current Counter-Strike setup has my sensitivity at 1.8 (really, really low). Basically, it smoothes out your play. Higher sensitivities make you "jump" over pixels, lowering overall accuracy.
3) Buy a good mousepad. The mousepad that came with a PC in the box is not a gamer's mousepad. I personally use a SteelPad 4S (about $55), but you can find Ratzpadz for under $15, and they are worth every penny. Durable, very slick surfaces, and much larger surface areas. http://www.frozencpu.com has a decent selection of them.
4) If you're gonna go, go hard. If you run out & buy a new gaming mousepad, spend an extra $20, get a Mouse Bungee, and teflon mice feet. The Bungee keeps your cord lifted up, out of the way so you don't snag the mouse on it & ruin a turn. It's very helpful for me. I stopped giving up kills to my mouse cord. The teflon feet are for the ultra-dweebs like me. I can flick my mouse lightly, and it'll slide all the way off the mousepad.
5) Play smart, but extremely aggressive. Don't lay in bushes. Instead, "tree walk" baddies by putting buildings, bushes, & trees in between you & your targets. Now when I said "tree walk", I really meant "tree run". Unless you're trying to be quiet in deathmatch, run (or bunny-hop) everywhere, shoot first, ask questions later.
6) Practice makes perfect. Find yourself a nice tree on the map, and make sure you have every weapon you can (pistol, smg, assault rifle, sniper rifle, rocket launchers, rail guns, bfg's, whatever). Practice circle-strafing around it until all of your bullets are hitting all the time. Increase the diamater of the circle and repeat. Practice fast weapon switches, the only thing that keeps you alive when your main gun runs outta ammo. Practice fast-zoom shots. With any sniper rifle, in almost any game, you should be able to run with your pistol out, spot a baddie, change weapons, acquire, zoom (you've already lined him up in the acquire part), and fire in under 1/2 a second (that's allowing 1/4 of a second for the weapon switch). The zoom-fire should be virtually instananeous.. you really just zoom so in your minds eye you know you were on target, and most games let you see the impact. Get a friend to help if you can. I used to run a gun drill, where you had to post-up on a 5-pixel wide sliver and stare at it. Randomly (1 - 3 minutes) a guy would flash by that crack or come out shooting at you. If you missed, you had to repeat until you got him. It's not hard, it's just practice. My average AWP (sniper rifle) accuracy in Counter-Strike was 80%, with all other guns being 60%. It's alittle bit of skill, a smidgeon of talent (well, growing up with FPS games helped), and a helluva lot of practice.
7) Run like a chicken (poultry, not coward). No joke. Random zig-zag's are your friend. Straightlines = straight shots at you. Bob & weave like Fester was chasing you in a 262. Works in real life, works in paintball, works in video games. Erratic people can be a serious pain to shoot, especially if it's laggy.
8) Get a great (not good, but freakin' great) set of headphones. If the game lets you, turn the stereo separation up to maximum. You should be able to zero in on any sound, on any map. Speakers are bad for high-end gaming, while they can sound amazing, sometimes room background noise absorbs the little sounds that mean somebody is around the corner, reloading, and needs to die by your hand.
9) Make demos/films every chance you get. Review them afterwards, preferably with a friend. Look for holes in your style, nitpick all the little details you missed, and use it to improve your overall gameplay.
10) Keep looking through online servers. Leave any server that you're the best player in. Find a server where you get trounced repeatedly. The fastest way to get better is playing people better than you.
...mmm that's all I got off the top of my head :)
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Originally posted by Maniac
Joint Operations was superb untill the latest patch.
I dont know if they have pulled the demo yet, but if you can find it, try it...
What did the last patch do?
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Originally posted by Makarov9
I agree on Red Orchestra (http://redorchestramod.gameservers.net/). Most realistic WWII FPS out there. Of course you need UT2004 since it's a mod.
Agreed.
(http://www.planetunreal.com/images/screens/jucha1.jpg)
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Whats the run down on DoD?
What do you need? HL and then the mod? Are there monthly fees etc?
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If you can get the silver package through steam. http://www.steampowered.com .. that will allow you to play DOD and DOD source when its released in the Half Life 2 engine. It's a one time purchase. No monthly fees required.
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
Whats the run down on DoD?
What do you need? HL and then the mod? Are there monthly fees etc?
You need Steam. Download it, install it, plugin your HL cd-key. Click on Day of Defeat, and it'll auto-download & install. It's free. No fee to download it. No monthly. However, it does have a downside... you have to deal with the typical online gamer personalities that populate FPS games :(
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Originally posted by Nash
I've been playing this one called Vietcong... basically the only FPS I've really played for more than a few days. But, my k/d has gotta be somewheres near 1/10... if that.
It's like, I'll be lying in a bush kinda hidden with my gun trained on a small area where I know the enemy is gonna pop out of. When he does, he kills me. I just don't know how to get any good at these things.
Does anyone have any tips?
Also, besides Medal of Honor, what's the king of WWII FPS for online play?
WWII OL is the best for FPS, in my opinion. I particularly like it because I can go fly, tank, or whatever if I get bored being infantry.
I use a game pad. It makes the game much easier for old folks like me who fumble around the keys.
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Day of Defeat is great. It's the 'furball arena" of ww2 first person shooters.
You got like the action. None of that bull**** hide until some body happens by. I have played DoD almost every day since its beta. It's current version is dated graphics wise but source will update the graphics (see CS:Source).
If don't wanna drive tanks or have a map full of islands with 50 snipers laying in wait on a hill top (Joint Ops) you will love it.
I love rushing through the rubble ***** slapping allied farm bois with my spade.
If you don't like a fast paced 'spawn and kill/die' then you wont like DoD.
If you like to sneak around with a sniper rifle and night vision goggles you wont like DoD.
If you dont like to toss a grenade and have an enemy toss it back you wont like DoD.
If you dont like to crush skulls with the but of your rifle or with a spade you wont like DoD.
If you dont like small cluttered maps you wont like DoD.
If you fly p51s at 25k in the AH main you wont like DoD...:p
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
I like Joint Operations, but a problem is that grass does not render at long distances. So even though you may be hidden in a patch of grass and the enemy in your vicinity can't see you, the guy 100 yards away can because he doesn't see grass at that distance.
Day of Defeat is great in multiplayer. Call of Duty multiplayer was disappointing.
Ya, its a bummer with the grass thing, and i think it got even worse with the last patch... :confused:
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Originally posted by -MZ-
Return to Castle Wolfenstein - Enemy Territory
Find it on google, it is free.
I've been playing this one a little bit. Its full of 10 year old "uber 733t" kids, but its not bad if you turn off the chat buffer.
Its kinda arcadey, yet realistic in several ways.
Besides, its free, what could go wrong? :)
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Originally posted by Dux
What did the last patch do?
harder to hit and kill ppl, easier to spot ppl, and it added a bit more lag...
This resulted that the gameplay went from "sneak and kill", to run zig zag and bunny jump like any other FPS out there.
Its a damn shame if you ask me...
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I went out and got Unreal Tournament 2004, installing it now, and then patching it to Red Orchestra.
Thanks for the advice, and indy007 - awesome tips - thanks tons.
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whats the story with Americas Army?
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Vietcong! I forgot about that one. I was playing it during the free beta, had the wildest bug happen. During one life, I was invisible to all the other players. I could just walk up to them and stab them or shoot them, they never saw me. I had about 25 kills when my connection broke.
That was a fun ride that day.
I play Battlefield Vietnam right now. Flying the Skyraider is interesting. Modeling not anywhere the AH level, but its fun.
dago
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
whats the story with Americas Army?
Good graphics, good sound, good model of weapons and player movement, but tiny tiny maps.
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
whats the story with Americas Army?
There's as many hacks for it as there is for Counter-Strike...
Anyone run into the new speed hack... Its brutal...
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are all the servers dominated by hackers? just wondering if there is a fair fight anywhere with AA or its just hacked to death
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I hit a snag trying to mod UT 2004 to Red Orchestra.
When I try to launch it, I get the error: "can't Find File 'rointro.ut2"
So I check the forums, and there's in fact a sticky about this very problem.... yet, none of the replies so far has found a solution.
Since a new version seems to have just been released, is this just the result of a bum one, and I should wait it out until there's a fix?
Or have you guys found a fix for this anywhere else?
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Okay nevermind that. Fixed it.
Turns out that before installing the patch to the mod to the original you need to first install the patch to the original and THEN install the patch to the mod to the original. Something like that.
Anyways, I'm in.
Now I gotta prollem with my in-game screen shifted to the right about an inch or so. Gotsa strip of black on the left, and the screens cut off to the right. Went to the control panels to adjust it, but it makes no difference..... the shift is only happening in-game.
shreck do I ever suck at computers too. This is depressing.
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There should be an ingame option for screen adjustment in UT2004... I think...
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Drugs kill brain cells.
Go figure.:)
Any monkey can beat any FPS on the market.
It also helps if they are in drunkeness "trance" with mindless garble such as Radio Head.:p
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Originally posted by Octavius
There should be an ingame option for screen adjustment in UT2004... I think...
you can hit esc, adjust and then continue the game.
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Try Operation Flashpoint, & or VBS1
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VBS1 is great but there's not much 'game' there.
OFP sucked online...
I bought UT2003 just for Red Orchestra. when it was first released. I thought it sucked and from what I have read about 3.0 (requires UT2004) and I aint to excited. At least not enough to get UT2004.
Day of defeat is a better game.
are all the servers dominated by hackers? just wondering if there is a fair fight anywhere with AA or its just hacked to death
I dunno but if you want I can post a link to many hundreds hacks for it. I don't play it any more. It was the same with ghost recon.
The Host sets up night time / fog and some one else uses a hack where they see just like day time. You are crawling around on your belly in night vision and get sniped by some kid who sees everything just like its day time and picks you off. I am sure there are 'good servers' out there but AA is a free game and most free games draw in the haxxors. Wolfenstein ET is the same way.
All these FPS style games get hacked. As I asked above, has anyone seen the newer speed hack software? Its brutal...
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Simple solution. Stay off the Public servers. Play on servers with active admins. For example I play Desert Combat only on WarmFuzzyLand (http://dc.warmfuzzyland.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=PostWrap&file=index&page=http://dcstats.warmfuzzyland.com)
But of course there's hacks and cheats. You'd actually be amazed how many there are that PB doesn't catch. And unfortunally there's a site that updates daily with them. I was shocked to see how many are really out there undetected. AA , CS and BF1942 BFV, are the most cheat filled games ever.
AA though, avoid like the plague. I think its been accepted as part of normal gameplay to cheat in that game regardless the server.
I too have played DOD since the early days, (I miss the old bridge and hill maps). I wouldn't compare Red Orchestra and DOD. They are two different games. One realism and the other fast action. Both are great in their own way. I've dropped DOD since CS:S source came out and I am waiting patiently for DOD:S to release. It's just to painfull to go back to the old HL1 aged looked. RO is a good alternative till then.
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Man, I love how people dog on CS & DoD cuz of the antiquated graphics, but still play AH2 over IL-2 consistently :) I'm kinda old school. Graphics aren't important as vicious, balanced deathmatch. Then again, wtf do I know, I still play text-based games, and think Doom 2 was the greatest deathmatch experience of all time :)
Also, as for hackers, they're not quiet as common as people complain about. Problem is 90% of gamers get it into their mind that they're the best player on the planet, and anybody better is obviously cheating. Hell, at one point I was getting banned from 6 or more CS servers nightly... to the extent where people staring over my shoulder were asking if I had hacks. If you really think somebody is hacking, go to spectator mode & start watching for awhile. It's not hard to tell if you know what to look for. The "6th sense" about where people are can be either wallhacks or ghosting (dead players in a lan situation ignoring "dead men don't talk" policies), or somebody listening very carefully with their headphones really loud. Aimbots are pretty easy to spot, just look for "snap-lock". You notice that by how their crosshair fixes to enemy faces & doesn't even stray a pixel. It literally looks unnatural.
btw, I've run into admin's who hacked on their own servers. it's especially prolific amongst large clans. just keep server hopping until you find one that's legit. they exist. it just takes some looking :)
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Originally posted by Nash
I've been playing this one called Vietcong... basically the only FPS I've really played for more than a few days. But, my k/d has gotta be somewheres near 1/10... if that.
It's like, I'll be lying in a bush kinda hidden with my gun trained on a small area where I know the enemy is gonna pop out of. When he does, he kills me. I just don't know how to get any good at these things.
Does anyone have any tips?
Also, besides Medal of Honor, what's the king of WWII FPS for online play?
JO is the best out atm.. I like the new update actually. Besides a few bugs with tracers and such, was a great update. I have found no trouble in hitting targets.. Even kilt a dude the other day at 408m with an m4.. hehe Best with the AK is just over 300m.. Thats moving targets.. hehe Not dweeb proner campers.. ha!
As far as tips go. DONT CAMP.. learn to move and shoot... Learn to use cover such as rocks or terrain.. Campers always die to peps with basic movement skills.. Strafing is vital..
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Originally posted by indy007
Problem is 90% of gamers get it into their mind that they're the best player on the planet,
Yup you proved that one.
no one "dogged" DOD because of the graphics. Like we said we've been playing since the beta days too. 6 Years later It's safe to say its due for an engine update.
CS is just CS.. repetative basic, and boring as hell. But somehow appeals to the masses. hmm. Most likely the low system specs and the millions of old school HP/compac computers still run it fine. Oh and the rampant cheating due to a HL1 engine that was never really made for online gaming and its many exploitalbe holes.
It's all about quality not popularity if you want to talk about AH holding its own.
But what do I know, you still play text games.
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Originally posted by SunKing
Yup you proved that one.
no one "dogged" DOD because of the graphics. Like we said we've been playing since the beta days too. 6 Years later It's safe to say its due for an engine update.
CS is just CS.. repetative basic, and boring as hell. But somehow appeals to the masses. hmm. Most likely the low system specs and the millions of old school HP/compac computers still run it fine. Oh and the rampant cheating due to a HL1 engine that was never really made for online gaming and its many exploitalbe holes.
It's all about quality not popularity if you want to talk about AH holding its own.
But what do I know, you still play text games.
Never said I was the best. I was really good. Good enough to go toe to toe with any other CAL-I or CPL player in CS, but I was never the best. Watch some CPL demo's. The skill level, and more importantly, the teamwork is phenomenal. I was just run of the mill in that skill range. If you ever get the chance, check out QuakeCon. They had a challenege where you could face-off with Wendell (fatal1ty) in Doom 3. You got prizes if you could even kill him. He is the best, and could even get away with saying it.
I have the same beef with DoD you have with CS. Repetative. Run-shoot-shoot-shoot-kill-kill-kill-die-repeat. Aren't most multiplayer games like that though? Even Aces High has the same problem in the MA. Takeoff-Climb-Cruise-Kill-Die/Land-Repeat. I dunno what it is, but some of the repetative games grab my attention & others don't.
You're right & wrong about the game engine. Definately, definately needed an update. Hooray for CS:S! Can't wait for a DoD:S! The original engine though, was built around Quake. Quake was designed for deathmatch, and single-player was an afterthought. This became especially prevelant later in the series, to the extent that Quake 3 didn't even bother with a story-based single-player, just bots on DM maps. Half-Life was just a lightly modified engine with a few more tools added in for the map makers.
To clarify my original point though, 90% of people that get accused of hacking, aren't. The 10% that do hack are just enough to ruin it for everybody else and get legitimately good players banned frequently.
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Way more then 10% use cheats...
Only the ones who use the poor cheats get caught. Also most of the guys that get accused of cheating don't.
For example in DoD you can turn off ambient sounds and if you use head phones and turn up the volume slightly you can hear every foot step / reload etc...
You hear the guy behind the door, around the corner etc...
The folks that do this get accused all the time of wall hacking.
In CS:S you can set your update rate to 1 and it will make you impossible to hit. Everyone else is smooth as ice but you end up like a ghost. The guy that just killed you, then one you swore you shot first is one of these guys. You usual chalked it up to 'lag'.
But those that use a good speed hack where by they slightly increase speed by 5% or so or a real good aim bot or a decent wall hack (meaning you can see through walls but not shoot through them) you wont ever 'catch' spectating or not.
A lot of it depends on the server and if they have regular players but 'free games' like AA and Wolfenstein ET get butchered becasue they are free and no one cares if they gey 'banned'.
The new speed hack works with any game. You can go 100mph faster of just 15mph. Its the subtle cheats you wont ever notice.
Thats said I play alot of DoD and CS and have fun... I won't play AA however...