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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 1K3 on November 17, 2004, 05:21:18 PM
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Putin said today that they have a new tactical weapon systems capability that simply "other countries (even the US) do not have".
hmmm :confused:
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Just a new variant of the Topol M. Heavier payload - greater ability to do trajectory maneuvers - but most likely is the implementation of MARV warheads - which unlike MIRV's are able to maneuver in the end-game.
MARV being maneuverable re-entry vehicle.
MIRV being multiple indepentently targetable re-rentry vehicle.
Both superpowers avoided MARV's during the 70s and 80's b/c of seeing it as a new stem of the arms race. Was built specifically to defeat ABM defences which were still woefully ineffective at the time.
Wolfala
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Why does Russia continue to create weapons for large scale use. I thought the Cold War was over, why dont they improve the secuirity on existing arms ? Or are the Russians having a new cold war aganst terrorists... you touch another school, we nuke your home country...great incentive in that.
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It's to keep the Chechen Rebels in check.
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Well, for several reasons. If you don't constantly create new things - you lose the pool of knowlege on how to create those things from those that know hows to and you cannot train another generation on the ways to create those things - this is agnostic of the weapons system in question or any invention for that matter.
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I read in an MSNBC article today that Russians are developing a "heavy nuke missle" as well. A 4.4 ton ICBM capable of carrying up to 10 warheads a peice. That's a whole lotta nukes
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Originally posted by 1K3
Putin said today that they have a new tactical weapon systems capability that simply "other countries (even the US) do not have".
hmmm :confused:
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They're going to breed the rest of the world into extinction.:D
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russia can't pay it's troops,can't buy fuel or parts for it's fighters,can't pay to dispose of it's old missles,can't feed it's people....but russia can develop a new missle system.
time for a new revolution comrade.
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They have some other weapons technology that we don't. The Arena point defense system for tanks, for example, or the Shkval torpedo.
The latter is more dangerous, but the state of their navy mitigates it somewhat.
Some might argue that the Shkval could be dangerous to its users as well, under the assumption that it was involved in the Kursk accident.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I read in an MSNBC article today that Russians are developing a "heavy nuke missle" as well. A 4.4 ton ICBM capable of carrying up to 10 warheads a peice. That's a whole lotta nukes
lol why the heck don't they drop some cash on some decent locks for the weapons they already have?
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Why does Russia continue to create weapons for large scale use. I thought the Cold War was over
Earlier today I was thinking,"Hey, why is NATO still around?"
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For that matter why is the UN? Whatever happened to towing their cars and selling'm off for unpaid tickets? I miss the Rudy days...
Wolf
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Pleeeese tell me what is NATO and why really it's stillll a round ?
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According to the word of mouth from a nice Italian lady, this new weapon is just the ultrasonic (2.5 Mach) spontaneous-change-of-manoevre missile capable of carrying 400 kg nuclear war head. It can also be used as the component multiple device on ballistic rockets at the atmospheric stage of their flight effectively penetrating all modern and near future anti-missile defences. Doomsday for the U.S. Navy.
Hey, that's what the lady said.
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I think it has something to do with the methane produced my vodka induced farts. If they have found a way to capture, store and deliver the vodka farts on a target then you better start praying now. :D
dago
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Why does Russia continue to create weapons for large scale use. I thought the Cold War was over, why dont they improve the secuirity on existing arms ? Or are the Russians having a new cold war aganst terrorists... you touch another school, we nuke your home country...great incentive in that.
Wolfala explained a lot, and I want to add that our military doctrine includes full-scale nuclear strike against agressor. Strategic Missile Corps is the mainstay of our defence. We have to rely on it because we can't afford full-scale conventional warfare with NATO since 1991, when the defence system almost ceased to exist.
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They have to becasue they dont want to be dicatated to by a nuclear power with a nuclear defense missle system.
It is way cheaper to upgrade your missles to lower thier chance of being intercepted then to deploy a missle defense shield of your own.
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Originally posted by Pongo
They have to becasue they dont want to be dicatated to by a nuclear power with a nuclear defense missle system.
It is way cheaper to upgrade your missles to lower thier chance of being intercepted then to deploy a missle defense shield of your own.
I'm sure Canada would never do such a thing to Russia. ;)
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Originally posted by Pongo
They have to becasue they dont want to be dicatated to by a nuclear power with a nuclear defense missle system.
It is way cheaper to upgrade your missles to lower thier chance of being intercepted then to deploy a missle defense shield of your own.
NMD "shield", when completely deployed, will be capable to intercept 55 ICBM warheads. It's an optimistic estimation. Congrats, Americans, you guys are @#$%ed up again, paying for this toy to military-industrial complex.
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Originally posted by Boroda
NMD "shield", when completely deployed, will be capable to intercept 55 ICBM warheads. It's an optimistic estimation. Congrats, Americans, you guys are @#$%ed up again, paying for this toy to military-industrial complex.
It was never meant to defest a massive WW3 type of attack, its defense against a more limited strike.
BORODA: WE ARE NOT OBESSESD WITH THE COLD WAR ANY MORE, WE ARE NOT OBESSESD WITH FIGHTING THE GLORIOUS SOVIET UNION ANY MORE, GET OVER IT
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Originally posted by GScholz
Stop yelling. You're hurting my ... eyes. ;)
I gotta yell so he can hear me in Russia, Duh...
Some people.... :D
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
It was never meant to defest a massive WW3 type of attack, its defense against a more limited strike.
same with the great wall of china...
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Originally posted by Boroda
NMD "shield", when completely deployed, will be capable to intercept 55 ICBM warheads. It's an optimistic estimation. Congrats, Americans, you guys are @#$%ed up again, paying for this toy to military-industrial complex.
Who is wasteing their money? The US for developing something they can use or Russia for developing something that they cannot?
The US shield would be able to make countries like Iran or North Korea with a primitive delivery system and a few nukes unable to bluff the US or hold it hostage.
If Russia was stupid enough to launch every missle it had and totally wipe out the US from tip to tail. It still would not win. Because every few weeks a trident sub would float to within a hundred feet of the surface of the ocean and then launch enough nukes to kill every Russian left on earth before silently floating away.
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Originally posted by Habu
Who is wasteing their money? The US for developing something they can use or Russia for developing something that they cannot?
The US shield would be able to make countries like Iran or North Korea with a primitive delivery system and a few nukes unable to bluff the US or hold it hostage.
If Russia was stupid enough to launch every missle it had and totally wipe out the US from tip to tail. It still would not win. Because every few weeks a trident sub would float to within a hundred feet of the surface of the ocean and then launch enough nukes to kill every Russian left on earth before silently floating away.
My answer to HABU:
Russia is not going to nuke America any time soon or in the forseeable future. American people never were enemies of Russia. Please stop drawing your fancy scenarios in your head and drink to the health of the Russian and A merican people.
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Originally posted by genozaur
My answer to HABU:
Russia is not going to nuke America any time soon or in the forseeable future. American people never were enemies of Russia. Please stop drawing your fancy scenarios in your head and drink to the health of the Russian and A merican people.
That is why this new Russian wonder weapon is a total waste of money. It is designed to penetrate the American anti missle defense and that defense is only to guard against the growing capability of states like Iran and North Korea and not Russia.