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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Staga on November 17, 2004, 05:40:55 PM
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Guess US was right after all and there really was WMDs in Iraq; WMDs which really were a threat for United States.
Sorry I was so sceptical.
(http://koti.mbnet.fi/staga/muuta/sarin_found.jpg)
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Hey!
And by the look of that cyrillic writing; you guys sold it to them under the guise of the United Nations "Oil for WMD program"....
or was that:
"Oil for lots of money while the children starve and people blame the USA" program??
;)
Crumpp
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thats just the TIP of the iceberg.
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Is this for real, and anyone got a good site for news on war in Iraq ? Not a politically biased site, but just a play by play site.
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Why is there an english label on one of the boxes?
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TweetyBird, gona answer that taking not being a troll.
Either it came from the U.S. or a NATO nation.
Or its fake.
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It wasn't a troll, but I was wondering if that was the point of the post.
Its concerning without a doubt.
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If its real, sure does take the wind outa a few peoples sails.
Just a side opinion...Saddam had about 5 years to hide the WMDs if he had them. I dont think we would find them right off the bat.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
Why is there an english label on one of the boxes?
Because English is basically the most universally spoken and understood language in the world, it is widely used on products all over the world.
dago
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C'mon guys. Do you really believe Sarin comes packaged in breakable glass vials and shipped worldwide... LOL
Sarin, Soman, V-gases... LOL Antidot vials
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
C'mon guys. Do you really believe Sarin comes packaged in breakable glass vials and shipped worldwide... LOL
Sarin, Soman, V-gases... LOL Antidot vials
Equally why would you keep antidotes in glass vials as opposed to ready to go hyperdermic packs?
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Where do you get antidote from ???
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Naah; let's continue this nice thread :)
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Where do you get antidote from ???
Try Atropine.
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That works.
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>>Because English is basically the most universally spoken and understood language in the world, it is widely used on products all over the world.
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It supposed to be Sarin - not a ham or a bottle of visine. I wouldn't expect the instructions to be in 3 languages to satisfy the masses.
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That's not english in the middle box....but oh well. Just acuse somone of photoshoping it and the problem just disapears.
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>>Naah; let's continue this nice thread <<
Too late, I read your post before you deleted it.
I admit, I don't study how Sarin is stored. But from other terrorist events, I find safety is not of great concern.
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Gunslinger; You've been in the Army: What do you think those ampoules are?
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>>That's not english in the middle box....but oh well. Just acuse somone of photoshoping it and the problem just disapears.
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Well I wont ruin the fun, but I still know the cigarette in another thread was retouched. Why? No clue. But It was retouched - perhaps it was a Viginia slims and thats wan't macho enough. Perahaps it looked like a joint, dunno. But it was retouched.
Its not as easy to explain in a short post as I expected, so just label me a nut :D
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Originally posted by Staga
Gunslinger; You've been in the Army: What do you think those ampoules are?
I've never been in the "army" but I will excuse your remark as pure and simple ignorence. I was a US Marine.....there is a difference ;)
but Honest question so honest answer. The only chemical or anti chemical weapons I've ever sean that come in objects that look like that would be antidotes.
BUT
I've only been schooled in the Basics of chemical warfare so I would not count me as a definative source.
Those could be inserts for mortars or artillery. That would explain why they are in glass. Insert the glass rod, launch mortar motar hits glass breaks Nerve agent dispersed. I don't see any seringes or injectors in there but that dosent mean they aren't there.
Furthermore, the standard US auto injector that our forces use comes in a plastic tube that has a spring loaded needle.
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been discussed on AGW, its sarin gas testers/detectors....these are not the droids you are looking for, move along, move along.
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ok now i understand.
saddam:: "we must buy more sarin gas testers/detectors"
lacky:: but saddam , we do not have any sarin gas, the UN made us get rid of it."
saddam:: " i know , but i have to spend all this oil for food money on something, i already have 26 palaces and my sons have all the sport cars and gold plated guns they can use."
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Originally posted by Yeager
thats just the TIP of the iceberg.
Yep, maybe so :D
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been discussed on AGW, its sarin gas testers/detectors....these are not the droids you are looking for, move along, move along.
Why would anyone in Iraq need sarin gas detectors?
In case of a lab accident?
In case the Iranians retaliated?
Oh well, who doesn't have a few sarin detectors laying around the house at any given moment.
Crumpp
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Originally posted by Staga
Yep, maybe so :D
Staga, how do you feel about Oil for Food money paying for suicide bombers? Or are you still pissed about ONE aspect of MANY STATED with reason for invasion?
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Originally posted by Crumpp
Why would anyone in Iraq need sarin gas detectors?
In case of a lab accident?
In case the Iranians retaliated?
Oh well, who doesn't have a few sarin detectors laying around the house at any given moment.
Crumpp
Crumpp why would Finns need nerve-gas detectors? Why did we were trained to use Atropine injectors? Why were we trained to use gas-masks?
I take it you haven't been serving your country in army?
btw Americans: How many of you did wet your pants when you saw that pic? Yeager sure did :rofl
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I take it you haven't been serving your country in army?
Come visit me Staga....
So you think it is pretty innocent that the terrorist in Falluja have Sarin nerve gas detectors?
You think they might need them in case the Bad Ol' US of A dropped a load of Sarin on the town?
So why did the Iraqi Army need them? To protect themselves from the Iranians?
See most armies have limited funds, even the US Army. They spend their money wisely on the most likely threats. You don't find it interesting that the Iraqi Army or someone though Sarin was a big enough threat to go out and buy the detectors?
Crumpp
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there are absoutly no WMD in iraq, they are lost in desert.
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Originally posted by Staga
btw Americans: How many of you did wet your pants when you saw that pic? Yeager sure did :rofl
Not as much as one Finn who wet his pants by thinking he was being witty.
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Originally posted by Crumpp
Come visit me Staga....
So you think it is pretty innocent that the terrorist in Falluja have Sarin nerve gas detectors?
You think they might need them in case the Bad Ol' US of A dropped a load of Sarin on the town?
So why did the Iraqi Army need them? To protect themselves from the Iranians?
See most armies have limited funds, even the US Army. They spend their money wisely on the most likely threats. You don't find it interesting that the Iraqi Army or someone though Sarin was a big enough threat to go out and buy the detectors?
Crumpp
Face the fact: Every army in every nation has A) Detectors for nerve gases and B) Atropine shots in their stores and, read this, IODINE pills too !
Wow! Why are there rules (at least here) that Drugstores have to keep certain amount of Iodine pills available?
Finland doesn't have nuclear weapons nor chemical weapons so why are we preparing for those?
Use your brains man: if you looks at those ampoulles you can see the "best before" year starting with 1 and I'd say it's possible that the 061081 is the manufacturing date (date of batch) which was when Iran-Iraq war was already going on, 1980 - 1988.
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why do you have them, are you going to invade russia again?
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Originally posted by Staga
Face the fact: Every army in every nation has A) Detectors for nerve gases and B) Atropine shots in their stores and, read this, IODINE pills too !
Wow! Why are there rules (at least here) that Drugstores have to keep certain amount of Iodine pills available?
Finland doesn't have nuclear weapons nor chemical weapons so why are we preparing for those?
Use your brains man: if you looks at those ampoulles you can see the "best before" year starting with 1 and I'd say it's possible that the 061081 is the manufacturing date (date of batch) which was when Iran-Iraq war was already going on, 1980 - 1988.
Face the fact: Sarin doesn't have a shelflife neither does the antidote. My guess is you obviously know a limited amount on the subject of GB. BTW genius, that is the Charge Number on the box, not a "Best Before Date". But you keep walking from one watermelon filled bucket to the next, just like your boy GScholz. The two of you should get married.
Karaya
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Idiots.
These are standard VPHR device indicator tubes. Detectors for Zaman, Zarin and V-gases.
VPHR = Voyskovoy Pribor Himicheskoy Razvedki, Army Chemical Reconnaissance Device.
My Grandfather taught Civilian Defence in Leningrad Uni when he retired, so I played with this ampulas when I was a kid.
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Originally posted by john9001
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why do you have them, are you going to invade russia again?
You meant to say "they bent over for Hitler when the getting was good, and then bent over for Stalin when the party was over with Hitler?"
Karaya
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VPHR and indicator tubes (http://himvoiska.narod.ru/vphr.html) , site is in Russian but you can see the tubes on illustrations.
Any Soviet school kid elder then 14 can recognize this stuff.
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Originally posted by Crumpp
Come visit me Staga....
So you think it is pretty innocent that the terrorist in Falluja have Sarin nerve gas detectors?
You think they might need them in case the Bad Ol' US of A dropped a load of Sarin on the town?
So why did the Iraqi Army need them? To protect themselves from the Iranians?
See most armies have limited funds, even the US Army. They spend their money wisely on the most likely threats. You don't find it interesting that the Iraqi Army or someone though Sarin was a big enough threat to go out and buy the detectors?
Crumpp
Damn. Want to buy a VPHR? Here (http://www.alvatex.ru/?target=4&prod_id=201) you can buy it online for 3300 rubles, ($1 = 28.5 rubles). It includes detector tubes for Zarin/Zoman/V-gases, storage time 1.5 years and other indicator tubes, for phosgene, chlorine-cyanogen and diphosgene, warrnty storage time 4 years, etc. Here it is availible almost everywhere, on Civilian Defence facilities, that now take care of technogenig disasters. Phosgene, for instance, is used in many chemical factories, as well as many other substances that can be detected by VPHR.
Now go say that the fact that Iraqi Civilian Defence had gas-masks and insulated suits is a clear evidence that they had WMD.
Absolute absence of common sence and logics.
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Originally posted by Crumpp
So you think it is pretty innocent that the terrorist in Falluja have Sarin nerve gas detectors?
You think they might need them in case the Bad Ol' US of A dropped a load of Sarin on the town?
So why did the Iraqi Army need them? To protect themselves from the Iranians?
See most armies have limited funds, even the US Army. They spend their money wisely on the most likely threats. You don't find it interesting that the Iraqi Army or someone though Sarin was a big enough threat to go out and buy the detectors?
Crumpp
who was the most imminent threat to invade Iraq?
who did they buy nerve gas from when they used it on their own people?
they know we've had it before, and in fact I believe we have the worlds largest stockpile of nerve agents in the world.
if you were about to be invaded by a country with a large supply of these weapons, would you like to know if it's being used on youwould you feel the need to be able to detect it.
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They are undermining their own credibility by releasing those pictures and information, they should have known better.
Boroda got it right. Theres no no need to dispute it or to be embarrassed.
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Any Soviet school kid elder then 14 can recognize this stuff.
I had Hot Wheels and Transformers.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Any Soviet school kid elder then 14 can recognize this stuff.
I had Hot Wheels and Transformers.
Didn't you have basic Civilian Defence classes? Or you studied stupid plastic toys at school when you were 14? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Boroda
Didn't you have basic Civilian Defence classes? Or you studied stupid plastic toys at school when you were 14? :rolleyes:
Nah, we didn't have Civil Defense classes... we knew we could take you guys with or without Duck and Cover (http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/atomic/civildef/duckncvr.htm) :p
Hi Pavel :)
-Sik
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Didn't you have basic Civilian Defence classes?
I from Texas, we had advanced Civiian Defence classes by the 3rd grade. And Hot Wheels and Transformers are metal:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Slash27
Didn't you have basic Civilian Defence classes?
I from Texas, we had advanced Civiian Defence classes by the 3rd grade. And Hot Wheels and Transformers are metal:rolleyes:
not anymore, children could get hurt with metal.
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Especially for those, who at 14 played with metal and other transformers.
These VPHR MUST BE in each Civilian Defence department in each goverment organisation or organisation with special purposes (such as medical, rescue, guard and etc.) in Russia. Also there must be DP-5 and DP-7. DP-5 is a personal capsule to count personal accumulated radiation doze. DP-7 is a usual dozemeter.
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Didn't you have basic Civilian Defence classes?
What's funny is the arrogance of the question.....like we NEEDED a civilian defense class. What was Russia gonna do? Drive some rust bucket over here and whoop us good? Nah, Ivan needed to figure out how to feed himself first.
We don't need no steenking civil defense class.
And, re: the other American Basher, I was researching great Fins......I need help, I can't find any.
Just spoofing yas.
:aok
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C'mon guys. Do you really believe Sarin comes packaged in breakable glass vials and shipped worldwide... LOL
Just a little FYI here, I have worked in a environmental consulting firm as a lab analyst, we had cyanide on hand and guess what they were in... little glass tubes.
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Originally posted by TalonX
Didn't you have basic Civilian Defence classes?
What's funny is the arrogance of the question.....like we NEEDED a civilian defense class. What was Russia gonna do? Drive some rust bucket over here and whoop us good? Nah, Ivan needed to figure out how to feed himself first.
We don't need no steenking civil defense class.
Well, some of the American politicians didn't share your point of view. Some rust buckets that we have can... hmmm... cause you some problems.
As for Civilian Defence classes - so what are you going to do in case some rusty chemical plant owned by Union Carbide will blow up spreading toxic gas all over your town? Run in circles, scream and shout?
Looks like Iraqis will do better in such a case then you. At least they are prepared to determine contamination levels in case of chemical catastrophe.
Originally posted by TalonX
And, re: the other American Basher, I was researching great Fins......I need help, I can't find any.
Just spoofing yas.
:aok
You will experience some problems finding Finland on the Globe of the United States :D
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Originally posted by Boroda
Didn't you have basic Civilian Defence classes? Or you studied stupid plastic toys at school when you were 14? :rolleyes:
Haven't needed 'em since we kicked you guys assess. May need to start training kids to recognize terrorists though.
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Originally posted by Estel
These VPHR MUST BE in each Civilian Defence department in each goverment organisation or organisation with special purposes (such as medical, rescue, guard and etc.) in Russia. Also there must be DP-5 and DP-7. DP-5 is a personal capsule to count personal accumulated radiation doze. DP-7 is a usual dozemeter.
Maybe this ampoules were found in a main terrorist base in El Fallujah - a hospital?...
Funny that among US soldiers noone hade enough common sence to understand what it is. Don't they study the weapons and equipment of possible enemy? As for me - its pretty obvious that an ampoule with several compartments filled with liquid, powder and another small ampoule inside is a gas-analyser. I understand that a person who has such a great education that they can read the word "indicator" in Cyrillic letters will probably never go to the Army, but I find it fantastic that noone checks such idiotic "news sources".
BTW, is owning a compass illegal now in Iraq? Or Marines think that a person who can use a compass and a map is a dangerous spy?
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Originally posted by Boroda
Maybe this ampoules were found in a main terrorist base in El Fallujah - a hospital?...
Funny that among US soldiers noone hade enough common sence to understand what it is. Don't they study the weapons and equipment of possible enemy? As for me - its pretty obvious that an ampoule with several compartments filled with liquid, powder and another small ampoule inside is a gas-analyser. I understand that a person who has such a great education that they can read the word "indicator" in Cyrillic letters will probably never go to the Army, but I find it fantastic that noone checks such idiotic "news sources".
how do you know the US soldiers didn't know what it was? The picture was captioned by the news, not the soldiers.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Haven't needed 'em since we kicked you guys assess. May need to start training kids to recognize terrorists though.
/*Boroda carefully studies his bellybutton to discover any evidence that it was "kicked" by someone across the Atlantic Ocean */
Didn't you already start teaching kids how to behave in case of chemical, biological or "dirt bomb" attack?! The more I look at you guys - the more surprised I am :confused: You have a war with terrorists or what?
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Originally posted by NUKE
how do you know the US soldiers didn't know what it was? The picture was captioned by the news, not the soldiers.
There must be some specially trained people in the news who can read, isn't it so? Or maybe USA Today can't afford hiring literate personell? :confused:
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Originally posted by Boroda
There must be some specially trained people in the news who can read, isn't it so? Or maybe USA Today can't afford hiring literate personell? :confused:
That or the news media just enjoys spreading wdm fear around.. It seems to have worked well, even for the fools on this board!
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Damn. Want to buy a VPHR? Here you can buy it online for 3300 rubles, ($1 = 28.5 rubles). It includes detector tubes for Zarin/Zoman/V-gases, storage time 1.5 years and other indicator tubes, for phosgene, chlorine-cyanogen and diphosgene, warrnty storage time 4 years, etc. Here it is availible almost everywhere, on Civilian Defence facilities, that now take care of technogenig disasters. Phosgene, for instance, is used in many chemical factories, as well as many other substances that can be detected by VPHR.
Thats only a little over 100 bucks per kit. Lets see 100 times each unit in the army.......
I find it highly unlikely with the glaring holes in Saddams conventional Military they would have spent a large amount of limited funds on detectors they did not need.
Now if they had some Sarin gas it would make sense to get some detectors to make sure accidents do not happen.
Crumpp
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They had a war with Iran in 1980-88, and both sides used chemical weapons.
The detector tubes for Zarin can be stored for no more then 1.5 years. The expiration date on a pack says "Oct, 1....", so it can't be used for over 5 years. "Goden do Oct. 1..." "Годен до" in Cyrillic.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Face the fact: Sarin doesn't have a shelflife neither does the antidote. My guess is you obviously know a limited amount on the subject of GB. BTW genius, that is the Charge Number on the box, not a "Best Before Date". But you keep walking from one watermelon filled bucket to the next, just like your boy GScholz. The two of you should get married.
Karaya
lol anything in this post you wanna take out or perhaps maybe say sorry for??
pretty harsh there wildman..
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
BTW genius, that is the Charge Number on the box, not a "Best Before Date".
It is exactly an expiration date. "Годен до" ("Goden do") means "Useful until" or "Can be used before". Not even "Best before", but "usless after".
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Face the fact: Sarin doesn't have a shelflife neither does the antidote. My guess is you obviously know a limited amount on the subject of GB. BTW genius, that is the Charge Number on the box, not a "Best Before Date". But you keep walking from one watermelon filled bucket to the next, just like your boy GScholz. The two of you should get married.
Karaya
Dam I felt so sorry when I read that; I almost cried... it was so rude from you.
Oh well, if I try really hard maybe I can get over it :)
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
lol anything in this post you wanna take out or perhaps maybe say sorry for??
pretty harsh there wildman..
Sorry for the truth?:lol
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Originally posted by Boroda
/*Boroda carefully studies his bellybutton to discover any evidence that it was "kicked" by someone across the Atlantic Ocean */
Didn't you already start teaching kids how to behave in case of chemical, biological or "dirt bomb" attack?! The more I look at you guys - the more surprised I am :confused: You have a war with terrorists or what?
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
lol anything in this post you wanna take out or perhaps maybe say sorry for??
pretty harsh there wildman..
Negative.
Karaya
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Not that I really like taking his side but boroda makes some good points. How many of you REALLY know what to do if a dirty bomb exploded in your city?
How many of your family know what to do? How many people in the US know how to don and clear a gas mask? How many people actually have gas masks in their house? You'd think with all the information available about "possible" attacks the public would have some kind of education about "BASICS" but it's a simple fact that there is not.
Some of these things is what almost EVERY Israli kid knows by heart. How many know what atropine is besides what they've seen in movies? I'm not saying at all that we need to become a militant state but I do think that some are not performing their responsabilities as public servents when it comes to protecting the populus.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I've never been in the "army" but I will excuse your remark as pure and simple ignorence. I was a US Marine.....there is a difference ;)
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Yes I agree with Guns. There is a big diff between the army and the marines.
Marines are the guys who couldnt make it in the ARMY:)
:lol
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
How many of your family know what to do? How many people in the US know how to don and clear a gas mask? How many people actually have gas masks in their house? You'd think with all the information available about "possible" attacks the public would have some kind of education about "BASICS" but it's a simple fact that there is not.
Easy one, you tape yourself up in plastic bags. I saw it on FOX 4 news.
:D
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gunslinger... the hot setup is to simply stay out of the blue areas... this is sound advice no matter if you fear dirty bombs or not.
by the time they get around to me I will have figured it out.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
by the time they get around to me I will have figured it out.
lazs
:rofl CLASSIC!
Silat
Aint Ready to be a Marine Yet
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Originally posted by RedTop
:rolleyes:
Doesn't make sense?
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Originally posted by Dago
Because English is basically the most universally spoken and understood language in the world, it is widely used on products all over the world.
dago
Soviet Army was not using markings in English.
Not sure if the Russian Army is using English nowadays.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Equally why would you keep antidotes in glass vials as opposed to ready to go hyperdermic packs?
Glass ampoules were standard containers for medicinal drugs in the Soviet Army.
And from my Soviet military past I even vaguelly remmember some instructions about the handling of the antidote ampoules (as far as I recollect, you should break off the spearhead-shaped tip, but do it in a snap, because there's a precut groove in the neck of the vial, ... and so on and so forth...).
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Originally posted by Crumpp
Why would anyone in Iraq need sarin gas detectors?
In case of a lab accident?
In case the Iranians retaliated?
Oh well, who doesn't have a few sarin detectors laying around the house at any given moment.
Crumpp
Could be some leftovers from Iranian-Iraqi war.
Especially if the area where they were found is not relatively far from the border with Iran.
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Originally posted by john9001
there are absoutly no WMD in iraq, they are lost in desert.
On the contrary, they were dumped into the water.
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Originally posted by Boroda
There must be some specially trained people in the news who can read, isn't it so? Or maybe USA Today can't afford hiring literate personell? :confused:
Boroda, the level of US journalism in foreign affaires is below floor level. They would not even bother to hire a Russian translator cuz the general understanding is that any Polak from the mail-room is an expert in Russian.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
:rofl CLASSIC!
Silat
Aint Ready to be a Marine Yet
Great sense of humor !
I feel proud to be connected to the Air Force.
Served in the AA-unit.