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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Golfer on November 17, 2004, 05:43:14 PM
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I was skuzzied...
I basically questioned the intelligence of the U.S. Newsmedia and pasted a quick snippit from AOL's News about how people are supporting Arnold for a run at the high office..
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Saw it on The Daily Show last night. They are running TV ads trying to drum up support. In one of Arnold's commercials they say "the constitution has been amended on average once every eight years since 1900." "We MUST amend the constitution for Arnold and 12 million other Americans!" Why do I think it's got nothing to do with the 12 million other Americans?
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What has he done since he's been in office?
Has he reduced the deficet for CA?
Why should he be considered for President?
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Because we need a Macho Man for president. Who do you want, Ahnuld or Sylvester Stallone? Oh wait ... there's the ticket, Ahnuld with Syl as veep, Tony Soprano as SecDef, Chuck Norris as Homeland Security Czar, Jackie Chan as SecState, and the blond hitman from Fargo as Chief of Protocol.
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Originally posted by Golfer
Circumventing the language filterQUOTE]
Care to devellop a bit ?
I don't see why a US citizen can't be president just because of his birth place.
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I guess you can be a US citizen, but not be a 100% american. We've had presidents before that weren't born in the US. Seems a little xenophobic to limit the rights of US citizens based on who their parents are.
Hell, if a person comes to this country and becomes a successfu and contributing US citizen, that makes him more ideally american than half of the americans that were native born, in my eyes. But then I feel that being an american is something that should be earned. I'm weird like that.
Maybe we should issue color coded social security cards, so we can identify the limit of every americans individual rights more easily.
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We've had presidents before that weren't born in the US.
I believe the requirement is to be an american citizen at birth, regardless of birth place. Foriegn nationals who become US citizens are currently not eligble for the presidency.
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I know, but our first presidents were born in merry old england.
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Suave,
No, they were born here.
G. Washington: Virginia
J. Adams: Quincy, MA
T. Jefferson: Virginia
J. Madison: Virginia
J. Monroe: Virginia
A. Jackson: South Carolina
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Damn, shows what I know.
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LOL ;)
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Originally posted by Halo
Because we need a Macho Man for president. Who do you want, Ahnuld or Sylvester Stallone? Oh wait ... there's the ticket, Ahnuld with Syl as veep, Tony Soprano as SecDef, Chuck Norris as Homeland Security Czar, Jackie Chan as SecState, and the blond hitman from Fargo as Chief of Protocol.
I think your on too something here, I would also suggest that either Robert DeNiro or Al Paccino being put in charge of the CIA.
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RT... liberal actors are not electable and would be horrible politicians... conservative actors often get elected to high office and serve admirably.
The advantage to an actor is that he has no political bagage stored up and is allready very powerful and rich. He has allready proven himself and can be comfortable in the role.
lazs
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What about the governor or Michigan. She was born in Canada. Why should ANY governor of a state be prohibited from running for president?
How many current members of Congress are foreign born?
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i want to be president of france, but because i do not speak french , they will all have to learn english.
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Its to keep sneaky foriegners from coming to america and faking their love for the USA till they get to the top and then they ruin the country. Not my opinion but was why it was put in the constitution. Keep england from sending over a puppet to control the govt.
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We need to send them foreigners and gays to their own island! Maybe let them battle it out!
I think it would be healthy to allow foreign born citizens to run for President.
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Originally posted by Raider179
Its to keep sneaky foriegners from coming to america and faking their love for the USA till they get to the top and then they ruin the country. Not my opinion but was why it was put in the constitution. Keep england from sending over a puppet to control the govt.
I understand why the original document was drafted that way, the arguement is that the restriction is no longer necessary.
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Originally posted by Raider179
Its to keep sneaky foriegners from coming to america and faking their love for the USA till they get to the top and then they ruin the country. Not my opinion but was why it was put in the constitution. Keep england from sending over a puppet to control the govt.
Hey, wait a minute. Are we sure JW was born in the US?
Just a theory :D
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I have no problem letting a foreign born citizen with at least say 20 years of citizenship run for president. Who cares where they were born? They still have to win the election to become president. I'd like to hear one good reason why we shouldn't consider an amendment.
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Its the same reason today. nothing has changed except it is no longer England that might try this. I dont think arnold poses a hazard to the security of the country or anything nor do I think our other leaders would follow any really bad orders that would be detrimental to the USA so it is kind of irrelevant. You can forget it though. You saw mainstream america vote and I doubt they are gonna have any part of ferinners. haha
my personal opinion:show me someone not born in the US that is a good canidate and I would be open to it. Right now with Arnold thats a no. All he did is borrow the money in bonds to pay the defiect...good fix arnold
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My thoughts, since you were all waiting with bated breath:
1. While I feel that a citizen is a citizen is a citizen and there should be no restrictions on where the us citizen was born...
2. I hate the idea of amending the constitution. There are a handful of constitutional amendments that have been really great, but a lot of the others have just made it more complicated then it needs to be. Also, there are stupid proposed amendments like the ban on gay marriage that'll get on the books, then be overturned a generation later when everyone pulls their heads out of their asses, 18th amendment style.
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I think that if the risk of having someone not born in your country become president, and do any kind of damage is as small as 0.1% greater, then why take it? If they really love the place there are so many other ways to help other than being the president.
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Stallone vs Arnold in ROCKY VII
"The battle for presidenticy"
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It's not a matter of "who your parents are."
It's a matter of where you were born and of loyalty. Think of the mess Iraq would be now if the only people running for office over there were Americans. Would that be accpeted? I think not.
In order to hold the highest office in this land I think that it's not an unreasonable prerequisite to have been born a citizen. On U.S. soil, a U.S. military base or a U.S. ship. I have no problem with a native Hawaiian, Eskimo or U.S. born child of an immigrant running for and serving in the office because this is their homeland. I don't think anyone born outside the United States (even if they consider it their 'adoptive' home) would serve the same way as someone born here from day one.
Everyone here too often bashes the President as an institution rather than just the man. This political season especially nobody could see past 'the man' to see a person doing their job. The Presidency is an institution of this country and so much effort goes into discrediting the candidates during election years that as it turns out this year, just under half the country I am sure has no respect for George W. Bush. Hate the man, love the man or be indifferent. A must for this country's population is to respect the office.
I am sure if you asked everyone in the country if they respect the Preisdent of the United States, 49% would say he is an incompetent bumbling redneck Texan hell bent on the world not liking us. They missed the question, do you respect the job which is the institution of President of the United States. They spend so much time hating the man they no longer respect the job and that is not healthy for our country.
I think only a natural born American would make the deicsions being made now. The decisions that the 'world' hates. It takes a natural born American to make a decision or stay a course that is not popular with the world and in this case many Americans because they feel it is in the country's best interest. The way we are going about shutting down terrorism (Al Quaida is not the only terrorist organization out there) is obviously effective because the rest of the world who has been giving into and supporting (directly or indirectly) terrorists are now realizing that we will uncover their indescretions. The oil for food controversy and France & Russia supplying weapons to the Iraqis are just the tip of the iceberg and world leaders are starting to realize that we're not going to be too pleased with them once we uncover all the dirt.
Do you think a French Born citizen, 60 years old with 20 years of citizenship would be doing what is in America's and ultimately the world's best interest in starting the war or terror? Would that man, who spent forty years living in France, who grew up in France, went to school in France and worked in France would make these decisions that affect the American way of life? I think not. There would be a deep embedded loyalty to his home and that is an internal conflict that the person serving as President cannot be afforded. I used France as an example, not to bash. Same goes for all other countries in the world.
I will never support a foreign born person to run or serve as President of the United States, and that is why.
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The president has access to classified information that would be severely detrimental to the security of this nation if compromised.
Try joining the Navy and getting a security clearance to serve on a nuclear submarine used for top secret security missions. Most people born in the United States do not qualify for those clearances. Someone running for President should be required to have at least as thorough a background check as anyone in the intelligence community before being given access to so much information vital to national security.
I am certain that this law denying foreigners the right to run for President still serves a purpose even if it is annoying.
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I have to agree with Golfer on this one.
History gives us a very good example of why foreign born people shouldnt be allowed to run countries. Hitler.
If Hitler had been born German do you think he would have been so adamant about the German Army not retreating from Stalingrad before they were totaly surrounded? Hitler threw away 250,000 Germans in Stalingrad. Imo he probably would have been much more concerned about their well being if he had actually been born a German.
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My objection the the amendment is on record. That said...
Are you saying that these people are not actually CITIZENs?
Immigrants are what make this country strong. Naturalized citizens are usually more civic minded then most natural born citizens, because they WORK for it.
Many of these arguments sound indistinguishable from the types of arguments used against suffrage and opening the polls to blacks.
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I did not say they were not citizens nor did I object to granting citizenship to immigrants. I oppose non-American born people from running for and serving as President.
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Originally posted by Drunky
Has he reduced the deficet for CA?
Of course not.
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Originally posted by -MZ-
Of course not.
Then why does everyone seem to have a hard-one to elect this guy as President?
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Originally posted by Drunky
Then why does everyone seem to have a hard-one to elect this guy as President?
Isn't it a californian conspiraion/complot to get ride of the governator ?
obvious no ? :)
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Originally posted by straffo
Isn't it a californian conspiraion/complot to get ride of the governator ?
obvious no ? :)
Well, that makes more sense that anything else that I've heard.
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Originally posted by Drunky
Then why does everyone seem to have a hard-one to elect this guy as President?
Actually it isnt everyone.
Last poll I saw on the subject showed 80% of the people polled didnt think anyone not born in the USA should be allowed to become president.
What you have is the same thing you see here when people complain about one aspect of the game or the other.
certain maps or types of planes.
A few people runing their mouths over and over and over again so it just seems like there are more then there really are