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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hawklore on November 17, 2004, 08:20:03 PM
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What did the RF stand for on the WWII French Helemts?
Royal French?
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Definitely not Royal, the guillotine took care of that.
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I don't want to hear any French bashing either..
Running French, or other comments like that, this is a serious question.
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prob mean "republic of france", in french of course.
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It has like a flaming bomb on it with RF inside..
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Originally posted by Hawklore
I don't want to hear any French bashing either..
Running French, or other comments like that, this is a serious question.
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RF = Republique Francaise
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v14/Hawklore/c7_1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v14/Hawklore/73_1.jpg)
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Yep thats it, and you have your answer about the RF.
Can we bash the French now? Pleeeeezzz!
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Awesome, thanks guys!
Any idea how much you would pay for that, if you had the money?
And were going to use it?
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Looks to be in great condition, little wear, no battle damage and only dropped once. I'd pay top dollar.
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Man that is an extremely rare style of French Army Helmut. AFAIK they only used it a couple weeks and the changed to this style. (http://www.german-helmets.com/)
Crumpp
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Originally posted by Crumpp
Man that is an extremely rare style of French Army Helmut. AFAIK they only used it a couple weeks and the changed to this style. (http://www.german-helmets.com/)
Crumpp
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Looks to be in great condition, little wear, no battle damage and only dropped once. I'd pay top dollar.
$59.00?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Looks to be in great condition, little wear, no battle damage and only dropped once. I'd pay top dollar.
Somehow, I don't think he wants to buy the helmet.
His quote was a line spoken by Cowboy from Full Metal Jacket, in reference to a batch of rifles that were surrendered to the NVA, having never been discharged, in a French retreat.
... With a slight modification in phrasing for the purposes of this thread.
8.5 for subtlety
8.7 for source
9.6 for overall effect
An admirable job, Grun.
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Sorry Man.
Couldn't resist the quick jibe!
It was too perfect.
Crumpp
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:rolleyes:
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
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RF = Republique Francaise
Almost good :)
With our fancy (and design ;)) characters it's more :
République Française
it's an infantery Adrian helmet.
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I know strafffo. But I'm not sure how to reproduce accented charcaters, not that I would bother trying even if I knew howconsidering the way I type.
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Hey Crumpp, Gunslinger and the like...a quick reminder:
Why were the U.S. so quiet when Germany invaded Poland? Which were the 2 only countries who stood against the Nazis? UK and France. France fought and lost, UK fought and held...thanks to the Channel.
With the exceptions of some brave men like the Eagle Squadron, the americans weren't much willing to fight 'for democracy'.
Before Pearl Harbour and Hitler declaring war against the U.S. (not the other way around mind you...), the U.S. have nothing to be proud of... you don't stand on solid ground to bash France actually.
Agreed you guys did a terrific job afterwards.
PS to the contrary the political stance of my country during this period is much 'bashable': we tried to avoid conflict by seeking neutrality, got invaded anyway and capitulated within 18 days, opening the gates to northern France to the German. If Belgium and the Netherlands had stood along France from the beginning, the Battle of France may very well have had a completely different outcome.
So if you can't refrain to bash...bash Belgium! ;)
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It's not problem you can't imagine how many Frenchs are too lazy to type those characters (even having the proper keyboard)
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Originally posted by deSelys
...bash Belgium! ;)
I would, just to annoy Saw, but I just remembered the battle of Gembloux (Bataille de Gembloux) in the Cortil-Noirmont region (Belgium).
on the 14th,15th and 16th of may 1940, the Germans were pushed back by a combined Belgian/French brigade. it was the only allied victory during the 18 days German blitz on Belgium, and a costly one, about a thousand KIAs.
it is easy to say that France or Belgium rolled over, but thousands died where they stood against a superior enemy, so some of you may keep your "never used, dropped once rifle" BS remarks and reflect for a second on the sacrifice made by young men who gave everything while the rest of the world was waiting...
that same day, there were German merchant ships in US ports, and many Americans though that Hitler could bring order to what was already called the "old Europe".
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My grandad was a truckdriver back then, he told me they were to drive around the front to deliver ammo. Only they had no ammo to deliver.
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Read some about it
some flee some where brave
they where astounded by the dynamic tactics the germans used it was a big shock wich the conservative command simply ignored
they trusted to much on their magniot line.
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Before Pearl Harbour and Hitler declaring war against the U.S. (not the other way around mind you...), the U.S. have nothing to be proud of... you don't stand on solid ground to bash France actually.
You might want to read up a little bit more on this. Course who knows how they are teaching things in European History classes.
Ever heard of the "Reuben James"?
How about the "Flying Tigers"?
Maybe "Lend Lease" rings a bell....
Although not officially in the war until Dec 7, 1941. It is very much revisionist history to say the US was not in full support of the European Powers against Hitler. We had citizens dying lending that support.
Why am I not surprised you know nothing about this.
Crumpp
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Flying tiger in 1939 ?
Lend Lease in 1939 ?
Reuben James sunk in 1939 ?
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1939 ?
Sorry You just did not last long enough for any help to reach you. Even England had a hard time getting weapons, men, and material across the Channel to France.
When the "Sitzkrieg" came on after Poland, the rest of the World assumed that it would be another round of European Appeasement of Hitler. Some things were done but just as the European Powers moved without a sense of urgency so did the USA.
Read up on the fable of the little boy who cried "wolf!". How many times was Hitler told, "That's it! One more step and we are gonna fight?"
How many times did he take the step and European Powers wrung their hands and wimpered? Sudetenland, ALSACE-LORRAINE, and Czechoslovakia, all fell under the guise of the European Powers going to stand up to Hitler.
Your using the same logic the Poles could use with you. Where were you when it mattered??
Crumpp
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Well, we were listening to Chamberlain... whutswrongwiththat?
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Nothing like ending with a bit of name calling ?
FYI lend lease started in march 1941 after Pearl Harbour.
Yes we waited and made the Sitzkrieg ,and it was not appeasement ,it was due to the complete unpreparation/desorganisation of our army ,plus the souvenir of WWI no one wanted to have again 900 french death per day.
Where were you when it mattered??
I was not here neither born.
My uncle was in Poland fighting ,he even escaped to continue the fight in France to end POW. My grand father was wounded and next POW the german that's a lot for a small familly like mine, and my familly was small because of WWI.
There was no American fighting with them.
You were not at war until 1941 stop negating that and post pseudo analysis of this period.
I don't negate the contribution of the US post 1941 ,but you have to understand that during 1939/1941 you were simply not present.
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LOL Crumpp you got your timeline mixed up somewhat. We're talking about 1939-1940.
Reuben James was sunk at the end of 1941, a couple of months before Pearl Harbour.
The lend lease act was passed in march 1941.
I didn't know that the Flying Tigers were fighting in Poland and France. Any source? :lol (besides the Flying Tigers were disguised as soldiers of fortune especially to avoid U.S. involvement in the China-Japan war)
What were you saying about history classes?
If I agree that a lot of material help came from the U.S. during this period, some U.S. companies like Ford played a dubious game with the nazi Germany. IBM continued to sell/support the Hollerith machine (which helped to plan the industrial slaughter of the Jews) well beyond 1942.
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Oops I forgot the cherry on the cake, Crumpp:
To get to Poland from France, you have to drive across Germany...this is maybe one reason why UK and french soldiers weren't there to help.
Geography isn't your strong point neither as it seems....I wonder why I'm not surprised.
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FYI lend lease started in march 1941 after Pearl Harbour.
You know how to read a calender? Your claiming to be the big history major. Might want to learn to make a timeline first.
http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_052600_lendleaseact.htm
It was passed way before Dec 7th 1941 and the Bill was drafted and the process begun to make it a US Law long before March 1941.
There was opposition to it as many Americans felt that the Europeans did not lift a finger to help the US out AND did not listen at the end of WWI. Quite a few folks thought that you reap what you sow. Wrong, Yes. That is why the opposition was defeated and the bill passed.
I didn't know that the Flying Tigers were fighting in Poland and France. Any source? (besides the Flying Tigers were disguised as soldiers of fortune especially to avoid U.S. involvement in the China-Japan war)
Yes the Flying Tigers were a government backed way for the US to get involved without congress declaring war. Was not claiming they were in France. They were listed to refute your FALSE claim that the US stood by until attacked.
If I agree that a lot of material help came from the U.S. during this period, some U.S. companies like Ford played a dubious game with the nazi Germany. IBM continued to sell/support the Hollerith machine (which helped to plan the industrial slaughter of the Jews) well beyond 1942.
So your contention is that the United States supplied Nazi Germany and not the allies. I am sure we can find no examples of European companies that continued to trade with Germany. In effect what we have is trickle of supplies from private companies who found a loophole compared to the flood of supplies sent to the Allies? And the men who died to get those supplies to them.
My uncle was in Poland fighting
He should have been. He was Polish. So where were the French troops? I will correct this oversight in History and add them to the Order of Battle the Germans faced.
Gosh I see that the United States should have just stayed out of the whole thing. Europeans had it under control.
it was due to the complete unpreparation/desorganisation of our army
Yep and why did that occur? Maybe because you felt "There will be Peace in Our Time?" Your reliance on a bankrupt policy of appeasement lead your country to disaster. It is not the United States fault, England, or any other countries but your own. Today you still have not learned this lesson.
To get to Poland from France, you have to drive across Germany...this is maybe one reason why UK and french soldiers weren't there to help.
I wonder how successful Germany would have been invading Poland with French troops spilling across the German/French border? The Cherry on the cake....LOL
Crumpp
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Maybe "Lend Lease" rings a bell....
Bear in mind the lend part. The money had to be repaid. Britain is still making payments and apparently will continue to do so until 2014. Russia too repaid one third of what is due and was paying until 2001. . All the other countries had to repay too. So it was no giveaway. Capitalism at it's best.
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Bear in mind the lend part. The money had to be repaid. Britain is still making payments and apparently will continue to do so until 2014. Russia too repaid one third of what is due and was paying until 2001. . All the other countries had to repay too. So it was no giveaway. Capitalism at it's best.
You are right. It should have the "Bankrupt America Program" or perhaps "Welfare Nations of Europe". I would say economically the US did not profit inordinately at the Europeans expense if at all. The biggest benefit of lend lease for the US was the "leasing" of British Bases. The deal allowed European nations to be trading partners and not welfare recipients.
All in all a much better arrangement for everyone. Maybe European countries today think "something for nothing" is a good way to deal with friends, equals, and partners? Especially when they are the ones getting "something for nothing".
Crumpp
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OMG Crumpp you're really thick!
I know that march comes before december, thanks for pointing it anyway... However we're still in 1941 while the campaigns of Poland and France happened in 1939 and 1940. So your 'lend lease' example still doesn't hold out the water.
Flying Tigers were fighting in China....do you know how far it is from Europe? I don't remember Japan invading Poland at this time. So I don't quite understand how the Flying Tigers were opposing the german war effort.
I concede that you could misinterpret the last point, I wasn't clear. I should have written "If I agree that a lot of material help came from the U.S. during this period but at the same time, some U.S. companies like Ford played a dubious game with the nazi Germany..."
I never claimed to be an history major. You came foaming at the mouth and erroneously pushed forward historical events which didn't apply to the situation, spiced with petty attacks to top it off. Don't complain if your arrogant ignorance blew up in your face.
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Don't complain if your arrogant ignorance blew up in your face.
What color is the sky in your world?
Crumpp
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Originally posted by Crumpp
You know how to read a calender? Your claiming to be the big history major. Might want to learn to make a timeline first.
http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_052600_lendleaseact.htm
It was passed way before Dec 7th 1941 and the Bill was drafted and the process begun to make it a US Law long before March 1941.
I don't understand according to you link it's 11 march 1941 ???
:confused: :confused:
For the rest I've not time now.
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Originally posted by deSelys
Flying Tigers were fighting in China....do you know how far it is from Europe? I don't remember Japan invading Poland at this time. So I don't quite understand how the Flying Tigers were opposing the german war effort.
Japan was an Axis power so the Tigers flying in support of China opposing Japan was also opposing Germany and Italy.
The isolationist policy of the pre pearl era was a policy which many of you wish we would return... isn't it? Or should we have an engaged foreign policy after all?
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Japan was an Axis power so the Tigers flying in support of China opposing Japan was also opposing Germany and Italy.
Right but it's something not really intuitive for us.
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Originally posted by Crumpp
What color is the sky in your world?
Imagination: C
Relevance: E-
Holden:
Japan formally entered the Axis Powers by signing the tripartite treaty of september 27, 1940...after the campaign of France was finished.
The isolationist policy of the pre pearl era was a policy which many of you wish we would return... isn't it? Or should we have an engaged foreign policy after all?
No need to over-act the 'indignant virgin' character. This is about the unjustified bashing of France and the fact that nothing is completely black nor white in our world.
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deSelys:
Anti-Comintern Pact Signed at Berlin, November 25, 1936 by Japan and Germany. 1937 Italy signs.
Japan was already in Manchuria for a few years by then. WW2 started in China, not Poland.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Japan was an Axis power so the Tigers flying in support of China opposing Japan was also opposing Germany and Italy.
The isolationist policy of the pre pearl era was a policy which many of you wish we would return... isn't it? Or should we have an engaged foreign policy after all?
Unfortunately, I think you are right in the fact that the Euro's believe we should remain isolationists....unless it is their country being invaded.
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face it... euros are murderous imperial barbarians who attack each other over every slight... germans start feeling master raced every few decades and it all goes south for the little people.... we try to stay out of their meaningless conflicts till it spills over unto us and then we step in and save the world.
happens all the time. Boring really... you guys should grow up.
lazs
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Originally posted by Crumpp
You are right. It should have the "Bankrupt America Program" or perhaps "Welfare Nations of Europe". I would say economically the US did not profit inordinately at the Europeans expense if at all. The biggest benefit of lend lease for the US was the "leasing" of British Bases. The deal allowed European nations to be trading partners and not welfare recipients.
All in all a much better arrangement for everyone. Maybe European countries today think "something for nothing" is a good way to deal with friends, equals, and partners? Especially when they are the ones getting "something for nothing".
Crumpp [/QUOTE
America was the only country that came out of the war richer than when it went in.
No country least of all America gets involved in any war unless it believes it will serve it's best interests. I presume in a few years time, Iraqis will be getting the same slagging.
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Originally posted by deSelys
Hey Crumpp, Gunslinger and the like...a quick reminder:
Why were the U.S. so quiet when Germany invaded Poland? Which were the 2 only countries who stood against the Nazis? UK and France. France fought and lost, UK fought and held...thanks to the Channel.
With the exceptions of some brave men like the Eagle Squadron, the americans weren't much willing to fight 'for democracy'.
Before Pearl Harbour and Hitler declaring war against the U.S. (not the other way around mind you...), the U.S. have nothing to be proud of... you don't stand on solid ground to bash France actually.
Agreed you guys did a terrific job afterwards.
We were not prepared to fight for anything in the late 30's.
One month after the start of the war in Europe, the president ordered the army and national gaurd to increase its numbers dramaticly. We spent 8 Billion dollars to upgrade and modernize our armies and navies for war. 8 BILLION dollars, hell thats more than a lot of countries spend now. But your right we didn't join the fight the day it started. We did help In 1937 the US began munitions and arms sales to western european democracies. (psst that included france) As you mentioned we had volunteers and military advisors in europe and aisia early in the war.
So if your opinion is we had nothing to be proud of, pleae feel free to f*** yourself.
carry on.
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Originally posted by lazs2
face it... euros are murderous imperial barbarians who attack each other over every slight... germans start feeling master raced every few decades and it all goes south for the little people.... we try to stay out of their meaningless conflicts till it spills over unto us and then we step in and save the world.
happens all the time. Boring really... you guys should grow up.
lazs
Don't forget : it's in your genome too.
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Krusher we now that the problem I have her is with this sentence :
It is very much revisionist history to say the US was not in full support of the European Powers against Hitler.
Especially when speaking of the start of the war.
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America was the only country that came out of the war richer than when ti went in.
Wrong. The USA came out of the war thrust in a position of world superpower and leader of the Western World. It's not a position we wanted or strived to attain.
In a few short years we had to adjust to the fact that European problems were now American problems and always will be in the Future. Think anything has changed? Europe screams at America to clean up her messes and then cry's big tears when we do.
Look at Germany. Screams for the US to get it's Military Bases out. We say sure and withdraw. Then the crying starts over German jobs, contracts, and big fat wad of money US taxpayers shovel out.
You want to damn the US for being isolationist then want to turn around and blame the US for stepping up to the position Europe put us in.
Maybe if you had not adopted a policy of appeasement or constantly knuckle under to the threat of force things would be different. Seems Europe wants to take that same path today.
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In 1939 the japanese attacked an US gunboat in china .
still the US didn't want to get in trouble.
and agreed with the japanese it was a misunderstanding.
the man on the boat where horrible strafed .
it was very obvious.
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Originally posted by Krusher
We did help In 1937 the US began munitions and arms sales to western european democracies.
So the US made money by trading goods. Is it anything to be particularly proud off?
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Originally posted by deSelys
Hey Crumpp, Gunslinger and the like...a quick reminder:
Why were the U.S. so quiet when Germany invaded Poland? Which were the 2 only countries who stood against the Nazis? UK and France. France fought and lost, UK fought and held...thanks to the Channel.
With the exceptions of some brave men like the Eagle Squadron, the americans weren't much willing to fight 'for democracy'.
Before Pearl Harbour and Hitler declaring war against the U.S. (not the other way around mind you...), the U.S. have nothing to be proud of... you don't stand on solid ground to bash France actually.
Agreed you guys did a terrific job afterwards.
PS to the contrary the political stance of my country during this period is much 'bashable': we tried to avoid conflict by seeking neutrality, got invaded anyway and capitulated within 18 days, opening the gates to northern France to the German. If Belgium and the Netherlands had stood along France from the beginning, the Battle of France may very well have had a completely different outcome.
So if you can't refrain to bash...bash Belgium! ;)
America stayed out because it didnt want to interfere with world problems and have to deal with people *****in about it. But when the rest of you couldnt take care of yourselves we had to come in and help. That event put us in the position of world baby sitter and now look at the **** we get for it. I would love to say a big FU to the rest of ya bring our boys home from everywhere and let you have your way with each other. But I also know that it would only lead to more chaos and disaster.
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Holden: and what was targeted by this pact? And how comes that Hitler later signed a non-aggression pact with Stalin and shared Poland with him? Doesn't it make the anti-comintern treaty unvalid? How do you explain that Japan had renounced this pact in 1939?
The term 'Axis Powers' came after the battle of France (correct me if I'm wrong). The axis alliance wasn't really tangible before Pearl Harbour.
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before Pearl Harbour. the USA was neutral, you euros should know what neutral means.
in my opinion USA should have stayed neutral.
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I made a two page thread...
:eek:
Wow guys!
I love all the info!
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yes john ur right
LOL
IQ is rising here
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Man that is an extremely rare style of French Army Helmut. AFAIK they only used it a couple weeks and the changed to this style. (http://www.german-helmets.com/)
Crumpp
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You know what's funny? You already posted that on the first page.
-SW
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Originally posted by Crumpp
Man that is an extremely rare style of French Army Helmut. AFAIK they only used it a couple weeks and the changed to this style.
Crumpp
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posted at 11-18-2004 04:11 AM
then at 11-18-2004 06:18 PM
And finally at 11-18-2004 06:21 PM
Are you a BBS Bot ?
missed one :)
11-18-2004 06:25 PM
me think the BBS got a hicup (or hoquet :D)
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At Lunch break at work Straffo....
Connection is crappy.
:aok
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Don't lunch at work or you keyboard will end crappy like mine :D
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It really pains me to see young Euros being taught how the US was not a friend in WW2 until they were attacked themselves.
Wow what next? How bad can you make the US seem?
Question for you bright young guys. Why was the US attacked in the first place? I mean why shake the hornets nest if they are content to sit on the sidelines?
Why did the U-boat fleet redeploy after Pearl Harbour and sink hundreds of thousands of tons of US flagged shipping if Hitler had such a good thing going?
I am amazed at how stupid some people here are. And scared that they are living where this was was fought and they no so little about it.
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Originally posted by Habu
It really pains me to see young Euros being taught how the US was not a friend in WW2 until they were attacked themselves.
It's an abusive interpretation.
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Originally posted by Hawklore
What did the RF stand for on the WWII French Helemts?
Royal French?
Nope...stood for "Run Forrest...."
:rofl
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Originally posted by deSelys
Hey Crumpp, Gunslinger and the like...a quick reminder:
Why were the U.S. so quiet when Germany invaded Poland? Which were the 2 only countries who stood against the Nazis? UK and France.
Have to go call my dad. Aparently, he thought he was fighting against the Italians and Germans in Greece. I better have a talk with him about this. He has been lying to me all this time
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Thankyou America for those lend lease P-40's and Curtiss Hawks that saved us during the Battle of Britain, and Ben Affleck for shooting the entire luftwaffe down in between boning a nurse and bombing japan.
..and thank you for your ambassador who fled the country saying we didn't stand a chance.
..and thank you for those 1,000 bombers we used to bomb germany in the first 1,000 bomber raid in may 1941.
;)
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That's like condoms to a gelding, isn't it?
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I could mention Canada's contribution to the war from 1939 onwards, but the truth is so much more boreing than the fiction.
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Originally posted by Habu
I could mention Canada's contribution to the war from 1939 onwards, but the truth is so much more boreing than the fiction.
fiction? you mean like those films of USA winning war on their own and saving the world?
Canada did a huge amount, and they were in for the fight from the start.
I think in bomber command alone they made up about 15 squadrons.
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There is always a form of politics.
i mean :
russia-german pact
japan russia pact
finland against russia
later on finland against germany
poland that got teared apart
and the allies that couldnt ssave poland after the war.
all polish that fought on allied side weren't allowed to go back after the war
there is always a political interest.
btw i always learned the US only saved us
offcourse it's not US only
russia is almost never mentioned in my history lessons.
The wo2 is one of my biggest interest
andi i have a very big respect for what happened.
Hate to see some US guys like Habu bashing about that
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Holland is mainly freed by canadians
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What is the point of arguing about who did what?
How can you even prove it?
America put more men and machines into the war (WWII) than any other country....frankly, could have won the war without help... Reality is that there were many countries fighting, so it's impossible to say who did what.
Forget about it....
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America put more men and machines into the war (WWII) than any other country....frankly, could have won the war without help... Reality is that there were many countries fighting, so it's impossible to say who did what.
forget russia
yes it was WORlDwar
The US was the fastest growing participant
The english(common best) lost more man than the us
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America put more men and machines into the war (WWII) than any other country....
Machines, yes, but not men.
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Originally posted by Furball
Thankyou America for those lend lease P-40's and Curtiss Hawks that saved us during the Battle of Britain, and Ben Affleck for shooting the entire luftwaffe down in between boning a nurse and bombing japan.
..and thank you for your ambassador who fled the country saying we didn't stand a chance.
..and thank you for those 1,000 bombers we used to bomb germany in the first 1,000 bomber raid in may 1941.
;)
Furball, you dolt! Benny didnt get to fly the uber P-40 until AFTER he killed all the Germans and moved on to Hawaii!! Geeze man, get your stories straight wouldja? Hawaii and the ultra-uber P-40 o'death were his REWARD for killin all those Germans in that beat up heap the Brits gave him.
Man, I gotta watch you every second.
Next thing you know, you will be claiming the Brits shot down all those lovely German planes with just Hurricanes and Spitfires.
Craziness.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Furball, you dolt! Benny didnt get to fly the uber P-40 until AFTER he killed all the Germans and moved on to Hawaii!! Geeze man, get your stories straight wouldja? Hawaii and the ultra-uber P-40 o'death were his REWARD for killin all those Germans in that beat up heap the Brits gave him.
Man, I gotta watch you every second.
Next thing you know, you will be claiming the Brits shot down all those lovely German planes with just Hurricanes and Spitfires.
Craziness.
:rolleyes:
sorry boss. ill also refrain from saying that the british took 2 beaches on d-day and the canadians took 1... otherwise "they" might realise they did not do it all on their own.
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Someone asks about some initials on a helmet and look what it degenerates into? Some 50 odd years later and you people (who weren't even born them) arguing about who did what to the most and best.