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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AKS\/\/ulfe on November 18, 2004, 07:19:21 AM
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/18/powell.iran.ap/index.html
It'll be interesting to see if we deal with Iran in a hypocritical way or not.
-SW
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hypocritical? As soon as Iran begins snubbing multiple UN resolutions over a period of 12 years, sure.
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Swing and a miss.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Swing and a miss.
-SW
Not even
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Even. World a safer place, WMDs, terrorism.
If you are going to spout the "UN is meaningless" line, don't fall back onto the broken resolutions and realise the real reason we went into Iraq - described prior to this sentence.
-SW
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It might take a while but I think we will... in some ways, what we are doing in iraq IS dealing with iran... they, like syria, seem a lot more co operative these days.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
It might take a while but I think we will... in some ways, what we are doing in iraq IS dealing with iran... they, like syria, seem a lot more co operative these days.
lazs
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Exactly. Base of operations. "We mean business" message. Brilliant strategy.
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I think a lot of the people whining the most here see that too but simply are incapable of admitting they were wrong so focus on the errors made.
lazs
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Not everything needs to be answered with invasion. Iraq was a hopeless situation to deal with. Saddam played too many games.
Iran and North Korea are different situations. With NK I fully believe the Chinese will deal with them and put the smack down on Kim. I don't think China wants nukes in their backyard held by a madman.
I think pressure in the Middle East will escalate, whether it leads to war with Iran I have no clue, but I think some of those countries might start thinking twice.
But hey, I'm just a silly American that wants to control the world, so what do I know.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
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Exactly. Base of operations. "We mean business" message. Brilliant strategy.
its amazing the slobbering nonsense that a brainwashed person will spout to try and justify his programing.
How does moving north from Saudi Arabia to Iraq make a better base of operations?
How does invading Iraq make a clear message that invading Afganisitan doenst?
I hope you get to talk to a double amputee war vet in 10 years and tell him that his sacrifice was to make a secure base of operations and send a message.
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A FLOCK OF SEAGULLS!!!!!!
SO IRAN, IRAN SO FAR AWAY.............
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pongo... I am curious.. what will you say to those vets you speak of?
lazs
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remember what curiosity did.
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Originally posted by Yeager
A FLOCK OF SEAGULLS!!!!!!
SO IRAN, IRAN SO FAR AWAY.............
lol ok that was funny!
Exactly. Base of operations. "We mean business" message. Brilliant strategy.
Thats right guy! America will be ready to pounce within the next 5-10years.. That is if America can afford another pouncing..
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Iran will have to get in line or be next in line. the good thing is, many Iranian terrorists are getting the snot kicked out of them in Fallujah. I read that over half of the dead terrorists there are Iranian.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Even. World a safer place, WMDs, terrorism.
If you are going to spout the "UN is meaningless" line, don't fall back onto the broken resolutions and realise the real reason we went into Iraq - described prior to this sentence.
-SW
Not Even.
When did I "spout the UN is meaningless"?
I didnt. Even though it is making itself so more and more each day.
When you issue resolution after resolution and dont back those resolutions. Exept to pass another resolution then you make yourself meaningless
But I dont think its going to come to that.
Iran and Iraq are two different situations
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pongo... are you saying that answering me would kill a cat? or are you saying that you have no answer for me?
lazs
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Well, believe what you want. Did you even read the thing about UN resolutions? Yeah, strike and a miss. If you don't think the body is relevant - whatever it does isn't relevant either.
Ripsnort has stated that, and now you are stating that.
Iran is doing shady deals behind closed doors just like Iraq was doing, they are more similiar than not.
-SW
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Correct me if Im wrong, and I frequently am, but isn't the government of Iran an elected government?
I dont really understand the government structure of Iran, is there a religious component?
My point is, I think Iran is a legit soveriegn country where Iraq was ruled by a gangster and his bully sons and sunni relatives.
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Originally posted by lazs2
pongo... are you saying that answering me would kill a cat? or are you saying that you have no answer for me?
lazs
Your question isnt fully formed and deserves no answer. All it does is show you have no response to my post.
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Pongo... I would say the same thing to that veteran that I say to every veteran... "thank you for your service" Now.... what would you say to him? Is that "fully formed" enough for you?
lazs
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Originally posted by Yeager
Correct me if Im wrong, and I frequently am, but isn't the government of Iran an elected government?
I dont really understand the government structure of Iran, is there a religious component?
My point is, I think Iran is a legit soveriegn country where Iraq was ruled by a gangster and his bully sons and sunni relatives.
wiki is your friend : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran
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Thanks straffo, never heard of wiki but it works.
I dare not say Iran is a strict theocracy and it certainly is not a democracy but it is no dictatorship or ruled by tribal thugs. It is a odd mix of thocratic rule and democratic representation.
It appears my initital understand of Iran having a legitimate government was correct and my understanding that Iraq having had no government but instead had a tribe of gangsters and thugs that ruled with inhuman brutality, is accurate. I think.......
With any luck, any luck at all, Iraq will shortly have a elected governemnt and.......working. At least thats the idea.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Pongo... I would say the same thing to that veteran that I say to every veteran... "thank you for your service" Now.... what would you say to him? Is that "fully formed" enough for you?
lazs
Thats not what you had to say for Kerry.
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I dare not say Iran is a strict theocracy and it certainly is not a democracy but it is no dictatorship or ruled by tribal thugs. It is a odd mix of thocratic rule and democratic representation.
It is a Theocracy. The priest who are elected from their own ranks run the Guardian Council which "interprets" the constitution for the "elected" government.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Guardians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Leader
These folks determine the Supreme Leader:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_of_Experts
But only on the approval of:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_Council
Crumpp
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If we stopped making enemies of these countries maybe we wouldn't have to worry so about what they did or didn't have!
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what did I say to kerrie/for kerrie pongo? and why are yu avoiding the question that you brought up in the first place?
lazs
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ok blue... how do you not make enemies of these country's fanatical leaders and cults?
lazs
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Stop backing Israel so strongly and apply some balance to the situation. Broker a solution like happened in Northern Ireland.
No Palastinian problem %90 of Arab hatred abated. There will always be some mad bugger about. Concentrate on them.
You guys have your own terrorists too as Mr McVeigh knew.
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so if we just wiped out all the jews we would become friends of the murderous bastards? I bet the anti semite euros would pretend to like us a lot more too.
lazs
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Sorry mate. I never said that. Don't put that kind of Bull***t into my mouth.
BROKER A SOLUTION does not mean wipe out you total ********
My opinion of you is very
LOW!
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so now you know a way to broker a solution? Seems the only solution the palestinians would accept is chasing the jews into the sea or outright genocide. I don't really care about your opinion of me tho.
lazs
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Well having a religious Prez who is having a mission from god won't help; that's for sure.
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staga... do you really mean that? Can you fill us in on exactly what the "mission from god" is in this case?
or, are you saying that the ultra tolerant muslim freedom fighters would take exception to someone elses religion?
lazs
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The current political situtation in Iran is a direct result of American meddling with imperialism by proxy.
Iran has a young eager generation that is desperately trying for an open democratic system within the country. A few minor setbacks of late but you can't keep democracy down.
I put dibs down, that if left to its own fate, Iran becomes an open democracy well before Saudi Arabia or any other oil rich nation.
Lets not focke it up again eh...
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Originally posted by Torque
The current political situtation in Iran is a direct result of American meddling with imperialism by proxy.
Iran has a young eager generation that is desperately trying for an open democratic system within the country. A few minor setbacks of late but you can't keep democracy down.
I put dibs down, that if left to its own fate, Iran becomes an open democracy well before Saudi Arabia or any other oil rich nation.
Lets not focke it up again eh...
I agree with you with one exception....
What about fully functional nuclear weapons....leave those alone and hope for the best or do something about it before they are operational?
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Originally posted by Pongo
Thats not what you had to say for Kerry.
Such a typical liberal....will you answer Lazs or not?
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Originally posted by Rude
Such a typical liberal....will you answer Lazs or not?
If im a typical liberal you must have had alot of BBS beatings from alot of liberals.
"what would you say to a veteran" is not a fully formed question Rude.
I guess my answer is
"is this seat taken?"
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Heard today or yesterday that Iran is offering $500 to anyone that kills an American (military?) in Iraq. They are just begging to be smacked.
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Originally posted by lazs2
staga... do you really mean that? Can you fill us in on exactly what the "mission from god" is in this case?
or, are you saying that the ultra tolerant muslim freedom fighters would take exception to someone elses religion?
lazs
AIDS in Africa:
"I believe God has called us into action. Our country has got a responsibility, we are a great nation, we are a wealthy nation, we have a responsibility to help a neighbour in need, a brother and sister in crisis."
From Washington Post
Road Map in the Back Seat?
By Al Kamen
Friday, June 27, 2003; Page A27
Imagine our surprise Wednesday to read in the Israeli paper Haaretz (online), that Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen, meeting recently with militants to enlist their support for a truce with Israel, said that, when they met in Aqaba, President Bush had told him this: " God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [ Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
So who needs to find WMD or a link with al Qaeda when the orders come from The Highest Authority?
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=310788&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
More funny stuff:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/121/story_12112_1.html
Feel free to use Google.
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so staga... you say that his evil mission is to help people?
pongo... you don't understand the question? You asked me what I would say to a soldier who was wounded in iraq... sorry... I assumed you meant about his service. If we were talking about his service I would say the same to him as to any American vet... "thanks for your service" If there were an empty chair next to him and I wanted to sit down then I would ask him "is this seat taken?" I believe his service was worthwhile.
You appear to think that he has wasted and destroyed his life for nothing... is that what you would tell him? Would you just keep quiet (a form of lie)or would you flat out lie to him? Can I make it any more plain for you?
your statement was..."I hope you get to talk to a double amputee war vet in 10 years and tell him that his sacrifice was to make a secure base of operations and send a message."
you are basicaly saying that you want us to tell this vet that he made things better by his service? I don't think so... I believe that you are saying his service was wasted as were his limbs. What do you say to someone taking a hill in a battle who is mutilated? "Thanks for taking a worthless hill that no one cared about" or, "thanks for your effort in the war"?
either you had an agenda with your question or you had a point that we missed or.... you are simply being silly.
lazs
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It's good to help people but politicians shouldn't mix politics and religion; when they do that the results are usually pretty bad.
And that's exactly what GWB is doing quite often.
I wouldn't vote a guy who says he trusts in God's guidance or says "It's God's will"; how the heck does he knows what was God's will anyways? Did God spoke to him?
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so staga... religious people should not be allowed to make decisions or just to not rule countries or... just to not rule the U.S.?
I don't understand. What is it about GW's religion that frightens you or makes you think it makes him incapeable of leading?
I am not in the least religious but I am not as fanatic about it as you are. Guess I just don't see the evil until people do evil things in the name of their religion.
lazs
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Originally posted by Staga
I wouldn't vote a guy who says he trusts in God's guidance or says "It's God's will"; how the heck does he knows what was God's will anyways? Did God spoke to him?
Would you spend money on which was minted "In God we Trust"?
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It's good to help people but politicians shouldn't mix politics and religion
Says who? Just how much experience in politics do you have to draw from?
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Says who? Just how much experience in politics do you have to draw from?
As long as a clear seperation of Church and State is maintained religious morals are not necessarily a bad thing.
If you stand for nothing you will fall for anything.
Crumpp