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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 1K0N on November 18, 2004, 10:32:25 AM
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I will believe this when I see it... Must be a tabloid news source...
look at the top of the page at the other headlines..."Siberia gets erotic channel" WTFG siberia, finally something to do on those long cold winter months...
"Cut paste"
Russia has agreed to send a small number of troops to Iraq to protect oil wells and support the U.S.-led military campaign there, an aide in the Bush administration has said.
The Russian Kommersant-Vlast magazine spoke with the aide on conditions of anonymity, and he said that he had heard the information at a recent meeting in the White House.
Mosnews (http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/11/17/iraq.shtml)
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Russia agrees to develope ICBM that is imune to starwars ABM defense system.
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I would love to see Russia bring it's troops to Iraq, just another step toward defeating terrorism..
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Kommersant-Vlast is an anti-Russian yellow press magazine, controlled by criminal Boris Berezovsky, who got political asylum in UK. Believing all they say may heavily damage your brain (if you have any).
I will disagree if our regime will provide any assistance to occupants, especially by sending Russian troops. Russians should not die for foreign interests again, especially for the agressors that host anti-Russian terrorist leaders.
If this decision will be ever made, it will be extremely unpopular here.
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Originally posted by Hawklore
I would love to see Russia bring it's troops to Iraq, just another step toward defeating terrorism..
To defeat terrorism your country must give up Chechen criminals that you hide from justice. So far America is the biggest terrorist supporter in the world. Only your country bombed another souverign nation to support Moslim terrorist gangs.
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To defeat terrorism your country must give up Chechen criminals that you hide from justice.
You need to enlighten us.
Only your country bombed another souverign nation to support Moslim terrorist gangs.
Poop is spewing from your mouth..... gross.
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Russia can stay home, they aren't needed and I doubt they could be of much help anyhow.
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To defeat terrorism your country must give up Chechen criminals that you hide from justice. So far America is the biggest terrorist supporter in the world. Only your country bombed another souverign nation to support Moslim terrorist gangs.
Thats what I said......................... .........wait a minute, no one has said that. WTF are you talking about?
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Originally posted by Steve
You need to enlighten us.
Once again: http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/08/06/ilyas.shtml
Originally posted by Steve
Poop is spewing from your mouth..... gross.
Thanks. Again: in 1998 US Senate declared Kosovo Liberation Army a terrorist organisation, and in 1999 US and NATO bombed Yugoslavia to assists this terrorists agaist Serbian police forces. It's a fact. Your country has a long history of supporting terrorism all over the world.
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Originally posted by Boroda
in 1998 US Senate declared Kosovo Liberation Army a terrorist organisation, and in 1999 US and NATO bombed Yugoslavia to assists this terrorists agaist Serbian police forces.
So all the Kosovan civilians were infact terrorists and part of the KLA?
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Originally posted by Boroda
It's a fact. Your country has a long history of supporting terrorism all over the world.
But they were the good terrorist, white hats and all....
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Originally posted by Pongo
Russia agrees to develope ICBM that is imune to starwars ABM defense system.
It's not needed, but it doesn't worry me a bit. We have always said the missle defence was designed to prevent a very limited attack.
China and Russia never had anything to fear from the planned missle defense.
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OK well be negative ninnies all you want it doesn't stop the fact that Siberia is getting erotic channel!! Woohoo...
IKON
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Originally posted by NUKE
It's not needed, but it doesn't worry me a bit. We have always said the missle defence was designed to prevent a very limited attack.
China and Russia never had anything to fear from the planned missle defense.
Apperently they see it differenlty.
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The most sold weapon ever is ...... the AK47/57
:rolleyes:
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boroda is so great because just when I forget how genuinely f*cked up the world is, he posts something utterly incomprehensible reminding me all about it :aok
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I guess that Boroda is trying gently to remind the American cowboys that they are only controlling their cows and have no say in the U.S. government's actions such as providing the noble Afgan mojahedeens with a couple of thousands of the shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Once again: http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/08/06/ilyas.shtml
Thanks. Again: in 1998 US Senate declared Kosovo Liberation Army a terrorist organisation, and in 1999 US and NATO bombed Yugoslavia to assists this terrorists agaist Serbian police forces. It's a fact. Your country has a long history of supporting terrorism all over the world.
In that link you posted Boroda, this paragraph explains *why* he is here.
According to the committee, the decision on granting asylum to Akhmadov was taken by an immigration court in Boston, Massachusetts, which was immediately appealed by the US government. “The appeal has now been rejected and the decision on granting asylum is now final,” the committee said.
Not much the US gov't can do about it now. They appealed the descion, and the appeal was rejected by the courts. I'm sure that if the Russians can provide enough evidence that there can be a trial of some sort with the goal of handing him over to the Russian authorities.
Boroda, you need to be patient with this. From your own source, the US gov't didnt want him here. Legal battles (assuming new evidence can be brought to light) can take years here in the US.
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Originally posted by Yeager
boroda is so great because just when I forget how genuinely f*cked up the world is, he posts something utterly incomprehensible reminding me all about it :aok
I second that notion :aok
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Originally posted by Boroda
Once again: http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/08/06/ilyas.shtml
Thanks for the link Boroda, I hadn't seen this news. No surprise that he's working for the National Endowment for Democracy though, well that is assuming one knows what the NED actually does. :)
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Originally posted by Elfie
Boroda, you need to be patient with this. From your own source, the US gov't didnt want him here. Legal battles (assuming new evidence can be brought to light) can take years here in the US.
Then why has he been given a job with a federally funded NGO which is arguably a front for some of the shadier aspects of US foreign policy?
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Originally posted by Elfie
Boroda, you need to be patient with this. From your own source, the US gov't didnt want him here. Legal battles (assuming new evidence can be brought to light) can take years here in the US.
Perhaps Boroda believes the US Government and the US legal system are the same? Boroda, they're not.
curly
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Originally posted by genozaur
I guess that Boroda is trying gently to remind the American cowboys that they are only controlling their cows and have no say in the U.S. government's actions such as providing the noble Afgan mojahedeens with a couple of thousands of the shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles.
Different time different era. IE COLD WAR! so your statement is irrelevent to Iraq or the current world climate
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The vodka supply must be good this year.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Different time different era. IE COLD WAR! so your statement is irrelevent to Iraq or the current world climate
wow.
The only irevelency is there are no checks on US power. Imagine if the Russians were funneling thier latest man pads into Iraq and calling it arming the freedom fighters. lol
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Originally posted by Momus--
Then why has he been given a job with a federally funded NGO which is arguably a front for some of the shadier aspects of US foreign policy?
This is exactly what I want to ask our American "friends".
More to say, US Depatment of State still employs him for "consultations". I wonder if he gives them advises or they instruct him how to commit terrorist attacks against Russian citizens...
Telling that judicial system is totaly independant from government is very naive.
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Originally posted by Pongo
wow.
The only irevelency is there are no checks on US power. Imagine if the Russians were funneling thier latest man pads into Iraq and calling it arming the freedom fighters. lol
Imagine USSR and Warsaw Pact bombing UK because of the "ethnic cleansings" against IRA terrorists...
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I'm glad the Warsaw Pact didn't bomb us. I lived in between about six US bases in East Anglia as a teenager and the prospect seemed pretty real at the time.
As for your other arguments I kind of have to agree. One mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter. The partisans were freedom fighters to us as allies, yet they were terrorists to the Nazis for example.
As for your other arguments I kind of have to agree.
All govts have supported such groups at one time or other. No one can realy claim the high moral ground. The problem as I see it is that we need to admit this and seek solutions rather than just scream for war.
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Originally posted by Boroda
To defeat terrorism your country must give up Chechen criminals that you hide from justice. So far America is the biggest terrorist supporter in the world. Only your country bombed another souverign nation to support Moslim terrorist gangs.
I agree, we did profit terroism, and we may still be unknowingly, and I admire Russia for it's efforts..
But what I meant in my statement is if Russia joins us, it's just one big step closer to defeating terroism..
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Originally posted by Boroda
This is exactly what I want to ask our American "friends".
More to say, US Depatment of State still employs him for "consultations". I wonder if he gives them advises or they instruct him how to commit terrorist attacks against Russian citizens...
Telling that judicial system is totaly independant from government is very naive.
Boroda the article you linked us says the man in question was given a research grant. I have absolutely no idea what that entails or why he was given one.
As far as the judicial system being totaly independent from the gov't. It's not independent, its part of the gov't but a separate branch of the gov't.
(Let me see if I can explain this properly. If I screw up anyone can feel free to jump in and correct me :) )
The US gov't consists of 3 different entities.
1) Legislature, Congress including both the House of Representatives and the Senate.
2) Executive Office, President and Vice President.
3) Judiciary, the courts, specifically the judges.
In the case of this man, he sought political asylum here in the US. His case was heard by a court in Boston Massachusetts. His asylum was granted by this court. The Federal Gov't (read Executive office) appealed this descion by the Boston court. The appeal was denied making the lower courts descion final.
At this point there is nothing more the executive office can do unless new evidence comes to light. At this point I believe it is up to your country to provide my country with hard evidence that this man is in fact a terrorist. Then my country can proceed further and hopefully get this reject to face some justice.
I am with you on this one Boroda. You have legitimate issues here. As I stated earlier in this thread, be patient the American justice system can be very slow but it does work.
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Boroda, just an idea here......can the Russian gov't put that man on the international wanted list? If that can be done, it just might change enough things here to be able to either deport him or hand him over to you guys.
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Originally posted by Pongo
wow.
The only irevelency is there are no checks on US power. Imagine if the Russians were funneling thier latest man pads into Iraq and calling it arming the freedom fighters. lol
in the cold war that was not only acceptable but status quo. Today that's a different story. If you think the US invasion of Iraq is the same as the soviets invasion of afganistan I think you are wrong plain and simple.
Imagine USSR and Warsaw Pact bombing UK because of the "ethnic cleansings" against IRA terrorists...
I have no clue what you are reffering to BUT....
it seems like every nationality on this board here needs to be reminded every now and then that their country's hands are not clean....NO ONES! Almost every country has a black cloud in their history so I don't know were anyone has the room to talk.
My statment about the cold war is true though. The US and Soviets never really faught directly but rather by showing support to third partys that opposed the other. To me it's no different than Soviet "advisors" in N. Veitnam and N. Korea during both of those wars.
Like I said it's irrelevent to the current topic
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Well said Gunny.
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Originally posted by Elfie
Boroda, just an idea here......can the Russian gov't put that man on the international wanted list? If that can be done, it just might change enough things here to be able to either deport him or hand him over to you guys.
He is on international wanted lists :( Just as other terrorists like Ahmed Zakayev who has a political asylum in UK :(
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"in the cold war that was not only acceptable but status quo. Today that's a different story. If you think the US invasion of Iraq is the same as the soviets invasion of afganistan I think you are wrong plain and simple.
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Its not the same. The goverment of Afganistan invited the Soviets in.
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Originally posted by Pongo
"in the cold war that was not only acceptable but status quo. Today that's a different story. If you think the US invasion of Iraq is the same as the soviets invasion of afganistan I think you are wrong plain and simple.
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Its not the same. The goverment of Afganistan invited the Soviets in.
If you want to compare apples to apples:
South Vietnam invited the states in as well.
Pongo the whole statement was in realtion to a comment about the US giving Stingers to afgans during the conflict. My argument is that is a different time than now...IE status quo.
I wasn't comparing afganistan circa russian invasion to now
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Different time different era. IE COLD WAR! so your statement is irrelevent to Iraq or the current world climate
I can enlighten you about quite different era :
first recorded big military confrontations between the Russian army and the militant Muslims date back to the IX century A.D. Since those times the Russians learned a lot about these guys, but not enough to be able to fully stop them.
And BTW I've heard there are some big problems for the prosecution at Slobodan Milosevich trial.
How nice! The guy has spent in jail more years than most of the Nazi criminals, and it appears that he may be not guilty at all. (I don't believe that the judges will let him off the hook anyway, because otherwise they would have to find the persons actually responsible for the deaths of thousands of people in Jugoslavia, and that may lead too far away, even overseas from Europe).
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Genozaur, Milochevich's "trial" looks very much the same as Georgy Dimitrov's process in 1936. The only difference is that nazis have let the press watch the trial and Dimitrov openly spoke there, unlike European "democracies" who shut Miloshevich down because it was obvious that he wins "propaganda warfare".