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Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on November 18, 2004, 04:11:51 PM
Its just interest not who was best and stuff

history is important for the future.

here some numbers.

sovjet union:   13,600,000 troops  
                          7,700,000 citizens

china           :     3,500,000 troops
                        10,000,000 citizens

poland        :        120,000 troops
                   :     5,300,000 citizens
 
jugoslavia    :      300,000  troops
                        1,300,000 citizens

british empire:    452,000 troops
(common best)     60,000 citizens

france            :   250,000 troops
                          360,000 citizens

United states  :  295,000 troops
                                      0 citizens

belgium            :       9,000 troops
                               46,000 citizens

netherlands     :       5,000  troops
                             125,000 citizens


just a summup

i don't know if the canadians are counted under the USA or commonbest

its a not to imagine sacrifice of human lifes
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: AWMac on November 18, 2004, 04:14:53 PM
source?


:rolleyes:
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on November 18, 2004, 04:19:02 PM
Sir Basil Liddel Hart
Barrrie Pitt
royal military academy
Breda

Royal military shool at brussel

under supervision from Lt general van Hootegem former commander of the dutch 1st army corps

don't  :rolleyes:

that very ignorant
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on November 18, 2004, 04:29:00 PM
i'm not makin this up
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/277_1100816581_numbers.jpg)
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: loser on November 18, 2004, 04:30:42 PM
Nash sucks at First Person Shooters.
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: ra on November 18, 2004, 04:31:36 PM
The US lost some citizens in WWII, just not as many as other countries.
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on November 18, 2004, 04:33:31 PM
ofcourse these aren't exact numbers
the truth is US mainland is never attacked
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: Saurdaukar on November 18, 2004, 04:37:48 PM
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Originally posted by loser
Nash sucks at First Person Shooters.


His mouse settings are too thenthative.
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: Furball on November 18, 2004, 04:38:25 PM
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
ofcourse these aren't exact numbers
the truth is US mainland is never attacked


The Japanese sent over balloons with a single bomb and half a dozen or so incendaries on them into the gulfstream to America - the bombs were dropped one by one after a certain amount of time.

They were released in their thousands, they were very inaccurate, very unreliable, and pretty much utterly useless.  Some apparently started forest fires and some damage, not sure if they actually killed anyone though.
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on November 18, 2004, 04:38:46 PM
u guys are in the wrong post
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: Saurdaukar on November 18, 2004, 04:40:19 PM
Our bad, yo.
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on November 18, 2004, 04:41:01 PM
great attitude
Title: Re: Helmets part 2
Post by: Ripper29 on November 18, 2004, 04:41:14 PM
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Its just interest not who was best and stuff

history is important for the future.

here some numbers.

british empire:    452,000 troops
(common best)     60,000 citizens

 i don't know if the canadians are counted under the USA or commonbest

 


Bug...Canadians would be included under "Commonwealth". seems to have lost sdomething in translations, this would have also included the Aussies, New Zealanders and so on..
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on November 18, 2004, 04:42:45 PM
it's mine camping english translation
sorry
:)
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: vorticon on November 18, 2004, 04:55:44 PM
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
it's mine camping english translation
sorry
:)


its your crappy english translation?
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: Pei on November 18, 2004, 04:55:51 PM
I can't see the figure for US citizens being correct:

Some civilians must have died a Pearl Harbour, plus others woould have been caught it up in Japanese and German attacks overseas.

I wonder where Merchant Navies come in? Many US sailors died in the atlantic.
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on November 18, 2004, 04:57:45 PM
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its your crappy english translation?


vuile eikelige mierenneukende arrogante lullo

ja
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: straffo on November 18, 2004, 05:32:15 PM
Furball a Japanese balloon killed on mainland USA some 5/6 persons (I'm not sure) in Oregon.
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: Ripper29 on November 18, 2004, 06:30:20 PM
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Originally posted by vorticon
its your crappy english translation?


His English is better then my Dutch....

:D
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: Flyboy on November 18, 2004, 07:08:24 PM
ADD to that the 6 million or so jews that was brutally murdered by the nazi's and their helpers
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: Crumpp on November 18, 2004, 07:26:47 PM
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United states : 295,000 troops


Not surprising.  The United States has always adopted the stance of firepower before manpower.  In fact it amazed the Germans that a US Army private had the authority to get on a radio and call in a Battalion artillery strike.

Under their doctrine artillery fired on a time table in pre-coordinated fires and only a few soldiers in the Unit would be trained to call for fires.  

Don't take this the wrong way.  All armies used firepower and manuver in preference to casualties.  The question became where is the line and are the assets available.  The US has and always will spend money before we spend blood whenever possible.

What I want to know is why the French did not immediately sail their fleet to England and put it under the Free French Flag?

Would have totally prevented Operation Catapult.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_H#Operation_Catapult

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_French_Fleet_at_Mers-el-Kebir

Crumpp
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: ra on November 18, 2004, 07:42:34 PM
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What I want to know is why the French did not immediately sail their fleet to England and put it under the Free French Flag?

Because it was the Vichy fleet.
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on November 18, 2004, 07:52:54 PM
the jews are included with the citizens
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: Crumpp on November 18, 2004, 08:02:33 PM
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Because it was the Vichy fleet.


Yes but days before it was the RF fleet fighting for their countries survival.  I just wonder why they did not jump at the chance to continue the struggle and free their country.  

Maybe they were just tired of fighting?

Crumpp
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: Rino on November 18, 2004, 09:29:41 PM
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
ofcourse these aren't exact numbers
the truth is US mainland is never attacked


     A japanese balloon bomb landed in california and killed a
US citizen.  Both the Japanese and Germans had subs that
shelled the mainland.

     It was attacked, just not very well.
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: straffo on November 19, 2004, 01:42:11 AM
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Originally posted by Crumpp
Yes but days before it was the RF fleet fighting for their countries survival.  I just wonder why they did not jump at the chance to continue the struggle and free their country.  

Maybe they were just tired of fighting?

Crumpp

They were not tired of fighting having almost done no combat.
They just followed their order believing Vichy was a legitimate governement.
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: cpxxx on November 19, 2004, 08:27:48 AM
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Originally posted by straffo
They were not tired of fighting having almost done no combat.
They just followed their order believing Vichy was a legitimate governement.



It's easy to look back now and see clear answers.  But try and remember March 2003 and the uncertaintly you might have felt about to outcome of the attack on Iraq.

Many Vichy seemed to consider Free French fighting alongside the British as traitors.  It must have been a very strange time with part of France occupied and part  supposedly free
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: Gunslinger on November 19, 2004, 08:37:57 AM
IIRC the idea of the "liberty ship" was to produce more than the German U boats could sink and sink alot of them they did.

These ships were manned by CIVILIAN sailors NOT armed forces.  I don't know off the top of my head how many went down or how many crew were lost but to say that the US lost ZERO is ludacris at best.
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: straffo on November 19, 2004, 08:40:56 AM
according to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_casualties_by_country

About 6000 US civilian were killed that far from 0.
Title: Helmets part 2
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on November 19, 2004, 04:20:36 PM
i don't know why but graphicaly it isn't mentioned

so i said 0 i don't think it can be zero either.