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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: CAVY on November 18, 2004, 05:16:09 PM
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OK..Now I see... Bill Clinton is in office for eight years..and now he opens a library and I'm supposed to forget all about Paula Jones, Juanita Brodrick, et al. Here we go again typical liberals attempting to re-write history. I wonder if anything in the building, (so eloquently described by a British newspaper as a large oversized trailer) has any references to the following:
Not retrieving UBL from Sudan.
The largest tax hikes the USA has ever seen.
After Clinton got done with cutting the defense budget it look like a crime scene.
Al gore (enough said)
Lets not forget PARDON GATE
And many more....
Let's face it...I know I'm gonna get the responses that the 1990's were the great years of prosperity..All I can say about that..is thank you Republicans and I would rather be safe than prosper.
To be continued
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You forgot working with Putin to avoid a 3rd wolrd war after the Kursk disaster...
Clinton
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CAVY has all of 2 posts. Disregard.
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Went to Clinton Library today, it pretty much bad weather, alot people, and the building is pretty much huge.
Teh End
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Is the Blue dress there?
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Originally posted by Rafe35
Went to Clinton Library today, it pretty much bad weather, alot people, and the building is pretty much huge.
Teh End
LMAO!!!! Best post EVAR for November!
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
Is the Blue dress there?
No, but they downplayed the event by blaming it on "politics". :( Kinda sad when you think about taking responsibility for your actions. Nixon's library fully discloses the events in his impeachment without sounding like it was someone elses fault.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
CAVY has all of 2 posts. Disregard.
Negative - Good Read.
CAVY
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Originally posted by CAVY
Not retrieving UBL from Sudan.
How many years has it been that Bush has been chasing UBL?
:lol
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
No, but they downplayed the event by blaming it on "politics". :( Kinda sad when you think about taking responsibility for your actions. Nixon's library fully discloses the events in his impeachment without sounding like it was someone elses fault.
Rip Clintons fully discloses his impeachment also.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
LMAO!!!! Best post EVAR for November!
Really? If so, then give me 50 bucks then I'll leave you alone. :)
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Lies about BJs, millions of dollars wasted
Lies about WMDs, billions of dollars wasted, thousands killed
Which is worse?
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Does Reagan's library have the Iran-Contra fiasco, and the world court ruling condeming international terrorism?
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Originally posted by -MZ-
Lies about BJs, millions of dollars wasted
Lies about WMDs, billions of dollars wasted, thousands killed
Which is worse?
Catchy phrase, Im sure it gets all the high school girls in "the OC."
Over here in reality, however, we can tell the difference between a catchy political slogan that makes us feel warm and fuzzy and... well... reality.
Former President William Jefferson Clinton lied under oath. Thats what he was impeached for... not because he got his knob polished under his desk.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Catchy phrase, Im sure it gets all the high school girls in "the OC."
Of course women cannot resist, but it has nothing to do with my political views, the OC coast is a pretty conservative place.
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Originally posted by deSelys
You forgot working with Putin to avoid a 3rd wolrd war after the Kursk disaster...
Clinton
you must be jokeing
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Originally posted by Silat
Rip Clintons fully discloses his impeachment also.
sure sound like he is presenting it like it happend:rolleyes:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&u=/ap/20041117/ap_on_re_us/clinton_library_tour_2&printer=1
The scandal exhibit, called "The Fight for Power," mentions Lewinsky by name and includes sections called "Politics of Persecution" and "A New Culture of Confrontation."
Lindsey said Clinton wanted to include details of the attacks on his presidency but wanted to do so within the context of Republican efforts to "delegitimize" Clinton's tenure.
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Originally posted by Silat
How many years has it been that Bush has been chasing UBL?
:lol
3, that would mean 5 more to equl clintons time right?
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Originally posted by Silat
How many years has it been that Bush has been chasing UBL?
:lol
3 years.
Clinton could have had OBL plus a huge file on him and his activities handed to him by the Sudanese and declined the offer on numerous occasions.
I bet I wont see you laughing about that. Despite your obvious hate for Bush, he, unlike Clinton is actually trying to catch the guy.
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Betcha its one of the few libraries to have porn
:p
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From pictures I've seen on the tube and in the papers it appears to be a very attractive building on the inside but dam it's butt-ugly when seen from the interstate. Long and white, possessing no redeeming social value whatsoever.
To more accurately portray his presidency it should be inclined at a 45 degree angle.
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Hey...I may be a new member here...but trust me I'm a force to be reckond with...I know what I'm talking about..especially when the liberals attempt to shut me up:) :) :)
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Three posts and counting!!!
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Originally posted by Elfie
3 years.
Clinton could have had OBL plus a huge file on him and his activities handed to him by the Sudanese and declined the offer on numerous occasions.
I bet I wont see you laughing about that. Despite your obvious hate for Bush, he, unlike Clinton is actually trying to catch the guy.
At least he's attempting to get him..remember...if clinton wouldn't have hacked the intelligence budget (him and his buddy DO_JO VEN the Vietcong KERRY) to shreds we wouldn't have had a 911!!!!
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Originally posted by LePaul
Betcha its one of the few libraries to have porn
:p
LePaul
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Originally posted by deSelys
You forgot working with Putin to avoid a 3rd wolrd war after the Kursk disaster...
Clinton
What??? are you talking about????Putin personally is responsible for that disaster..The only thing Clinton did was give Putin a place to hide until the thing blew over..Prevented WW3..GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
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Too many quadropheniacs around here
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I knew that I would be subject to a retaliation strike of nookelear order after this line. ;)
It's about a theory that was nicely demonstrated in a TV show that I watched a few weeks ago. I don't have much time now but I'll try to make a comprehensive post (with links et all) this evening or this WE at last.
And before you even begin, it was really nobody's fault: during a somewhat dangerous game happened an accident that turned into an incident which could have had terrible consequences if Clinton and Putin had not had huge balls and ice cold blood.
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Wow, two other people besides me are actually not Republicans here?
Nothing wrong with that, really, but it's the way you lot present yourselves. You're not exactly nice about many things, it seems. Would it actually kill you to see our opinions from a point of view other than your own? You can call most people here closed-minded, because that's exactly what you are.
What you people think is bad is good for others. Higher taxes means more help for the less fortunate. Did it ever occur to you that paying those taxes *GASP* might actually be going toward a good cause?
Face it: Our country is no safer than it was in the 1990's. Our economy is crap compared to that decade. We're hated by our allies now. Millions are still unemployed, and the millions of people who have "gotten their jobs back" have gotten absolutely worthless service-based jobs at places like Burger King and Wal-Mart. They're nothing like the Office and Manufactuing jobs they once had.
Let's see what huge flame war erupts out of this post. Come on, out with it, people. Insult me all you want, and tell me that I'm full of crap... I'm used to it.
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Originally posted by Elfie
3 years.
Clinton could have had OBL plus a huge file on him and his activities handed to him by the Sudanese and declined the offer on numerous occasions.
I bet I wont see you laughing about that. Despite your obvious hate for Bush, he, unlike Clinton is actually trying to catch the guy.
Elf you really ought to read a little more about UBL during the Clinton years. Like Bush he did what he could.
But the fact that you Bush Brown Shirts cant even look at the current administration on its own is very telling. :(
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We're hated by our allies now.
They're just PO'd cause we shut off their flow of cash.
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Originally posted by Fruda
Wow, two other people besides me are actually not Republicans here?
Nothing wrong with that, really, but it's the way you lot present yourselves. You're not exactly nice about many things, it seems. Would it actually kill you to see our opinions from a point of view other than your own? You can call most people here closed-minded, because that's exactly what you are.
What you people think is bad is good for others. Higher taxes means more help for the less fortunate. Did it ever occur to you that paying those taxes *GASP* might actually be going toward a good cause?
Face it: Our country is no safer than it was in the 1990's. Our economy is crap compared to that decade. We're hated by our allies now. Millions are still unemployed, and the millions of people who have "gotten their jobs back" have gotten absolutely worthless service-based jobs at places like Burger King and Wal-Mart. They're nothing like the Office and Manufactuing jobs they once had.
Let's see what huge flame war erupts out of this post. Come on, out with it, people. Insult me all you want, and tell me that I'm full of crap... I'm used to it.
not all of us are "mean" and yes some of us go against the grain every now and then when a genuinely logical idea presents itself (that doesnt happen to often with liberals) But mostly we are tired of being cause Fascists because we have a set of Ideals that you don't agree with. We are tired of the repeated persacution of christianity in this country. We are tired of liberals who want to see our troops fail in Iraq because it makes the president look bad. We are tired of people telling us the second amendment is all about hunting. AND we are most tired of socialist agendas sneaking into our society today. The biggest difference between conservatives and liberals when it comes to helping others is we'd rather give a leg up than give a hand out. Empowering people to change their own lives goes alot farther than giving them a check not to work. Just my opinion.
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Originally posted by deSelys
It's about a theory that was nicely demonstrated in a TV show that I watched a few weeks ago....
...during a somewhat dangerous game happened an accident
TV show trying to revitalize Clintons legacy?
Ya it's called no money to maintain fleet, and fuel leaks on sub. Perhaps not opening the outer doors before test launch?
If you barking up the COLLISION tree you better have over whelming proof.
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I watched the Peter Jennings interview with Clinton last night. Clinton was, well, good ‘ol boy smooth politician Clinton, until he was asked about the impeachment section.
I have never seen that side of that guy that’s for sure. He got extremely pissed, enough so I have to admit, that guy on a tear I reluctantly would say looked intimidating. Like he would have no problem offing someone that would press him on the issue with the means to carry it out. Might explain why Billary didn’t remove his nads. I honestly don’t think she could, without ending up in the Bay.
Don’t argue unless you saw that clip last night.
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Originally posted by Fruda
Wow, two other people besides me are actually not Republicans here?
Nothing wrong with that, really, but it's the way you lot present yourselves. You're not exactly nice about many things, it seems. Would it actually kill you to see our opinions from a point of view other than your own? You can call most people here closed-minded, because that's exactly what you are.
What you people think is bad is good for others. Higher taxes means more help for the less fortunate. Did it ever occur to you that paying those taxes *GASP* might actually be going toward a good cause?
Face it: Our country is no safer than it was in the 1990's. Our economy is crap compared to that decade. We're hated by our allies now. Millions are still unemployed, and the millions of people who have "gotten their jobs back" have gotten absolutely worthless service-based jobs at places like Burger King and Wal-Mart. They're nothing like the Office and Manufactuing jobs they once had.
Let's see what huge flame war erupts out of this post. Come on, out with it, people. Insult me all you want, and tell me that I'm full of crap... I'm used to it.
Let me start by asking you and all of your other cronies (liberals) this question...I did notice, that, all of you people love paying the higher taxes didn't send their refund checks from George W. Bush back to the Govt. No..you all cashed them and Oh..I no let me see.... you gave yours to charity right??? Im sick and tired of paying for people who feel that gov't should pay their freight. maybe you should go back and look and see how economicly prosper the 1970's were when Jimmy carter was giving away the store. It took the greatness of Ronald reagan to spark the 1990's (trickle down economics ring a bell) Not Bill Clinton who still to this day tries to take the credit for it. Service Jobs...Im glad to see that these jobs mean nothing you, These so called service jobs put food in millions of peoples mouths each day. But people like yourself who feel so bad for the under privledge, would rather see the US Gov't pay for them instead of them making an honest buck..look I'm from an extremely poor and disfunctional childhood filled with all the problems that the liberal agenda fights for each day.. but their is a limit..I pulled myself away from the down and out...I don't thank the Gov't for the escape from it..I thank the USA and those service jobs for giving me the oppurtunity to do so........
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Originally posted by Creamo
I watched the Peter Jennings interview with Clinton last night. Clinton was, well, good ‘ol boy smooth politician Clinton, until he was asked about the impeachment section.
I have never seen that side of that guy that’s for sure. He got extremely pissed, enough so I have to admit, that guy on a tear I reluctantly would say looked intimidating. Like he would have no problem offing someone that would press him on the issue with the means to carry it out. Might explain why Billary didn’t remove his nads. I honestly don’t think she could, without ending up in the Bay.
Don’t argue unless you saw that clip last night.
CREAMO
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
not all of us are "mean" and yes some of us go against the grain every now and then when a genuinely logical idea presents itself (that doesnt happen to often with liberals) But mostly we are tired of being cause Fascists because we have a set of Ideals that you don't agree with. We are tired of the repeated persacution of christianity in this country. We are tired of liberals who want to see our troops fail in Iraq because it makes the president look bad. We are tired of people telling us the second amendment is all about hunting. AND we are most tired of socialist agendas sneaking into our society today. The biggest difference between conservatives and liberals when it comes to helping others is we'd rather give a leg up than give a hand out. Empowering people to change their own lives goes alot farther than giving them a check not to work. Just my opinion.
BRAVO for the GUNSLINGER SEMPER FI OOOOHHHH RAAAAHHHH
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Originally posted by Fruda
Wow, two other people besides me are actually not Republicans here?
Nothing wrong with that, really, but it's the way you lot present yourselves. You're not exactly nice about many things, it seems. Would it actually kill you to see our opinions from a point of view other than your own? You can call most people here closed-minded, because that's exactly what you are.
What you people think is bad is good for others. Higher taxes means more help for the less fortunate. Did it ever occur to you that paying those taxes *GASP* might actually be going toward a good cause?
Face it: Our country is no safer than it was in the 1990's. Our economy is crap compared to that decade. We're hated by our allies now. Millions are still unemployed, and the millions of people who have "gotten their jobs back" have gotten absolutely worthless service-based jobs at places like Burger King and Wal-Mart. They're nothing like the Office and Manufactuing jobs they once had.
Let's see what huge flame war erupts out of this post. Come on, out with it, people. Insult me all you want, and tell me that I'm full of crap... I'm used to it.
1993 World trade center NYC..Clinton didn't even come to the site..let alone retaliate in any way shape or form
USS Cole..Just a phony tear from him..again no retaliation what so ever.
Bill Clinton took office in 1993...US NAVY SHIPS Approx 3200
Thank fully he left office 2001...US NAVY SHIPS approx 2100
Disgracefull!!!
Major cuts to US intelligence operations throughout the 1990's
Sept. 11, 2001...............Thank you Mr. Clinton and the Liberal agenda...
Enough said about security now and the 1990's
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http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.htm
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Originally posted by CAVY
Let me start by asking you and all of your other cronies (liberals) this question...I did notice, that, all of you people love paying the higher taxes didn't send their refund checks from George W. Bush back to the Govt. No..you all cashed them and Oh..I no let me see.... you gave yours to charity right??? Im sick and tired of paying for people who feel that gov't should pay their freight. maybe you should go back and look and see how economicly prosper the 1970's were when Jimmy carter was giving away the store. It took the greatness of Ronald reagan to spark the 1990's (trickle down economics ring a bell) Not Bill Clinton who still to this day tries to take the credit for it. Service Jobs...Im glad to see that these jobs mean nothing you, These so called service jobs put food in millions of peoples mouths each day. But people like yourself who feel so bad for the under privledge, would rather see the US Gov't pay for them instead of them making an honest buck..look I'm from an extremely poor and disfunctional childhood filled with all the problems that the liberal agenda fights for each day.. but their is a limit..I pulled myself away from the down and out...I don't thank the Gov't for the escape from it..I thank the USA and those service jobs for giving me the oppurtunity to do so........
Dodging the fact that George Bush Sr. had even bigger tax hikes is beyond me. Clinton helped us recover from the Bush presidency. And refund checks? We (my family) never got anything like that, nor has anybody I know.
Do you have any idea of how difficult it is to make it with only $245 a month for food? That's all that the government is giving us (3 people in my house) for my Dad's disabilities. If we didn't have people paying taxes, we wouldn't even have that $245 a month for food.
And my brother can't get a job, because if he did, the government would cut off our monthly food stamps (he'd also only be able to work at a place like Wal-Mart). And my dad can't work because he's really messed up from kidney and heart disease (among other things). And I'm sure as hell not gonna work at Jack In The Box for $6 an hour.
If we didn't have these taxes and government programs, we wouldn't have a house, a car, food, or clothes. Two people working at Wal-Mart and Jack In The Box won't pay for half of what we have.
And those service jobs aren't meaningless. They're good for the person who's starting out --- Somebody with a small apartment and not too many things. But I'm saying that those people who lost their office and manufacturing jobs are working in service jobs now, making far less money than they actually need.
Those jobs are meaningless to people who once had jobs that payed over $45,000 a year. Don't take something out of the original context just because you're pissed off for some odd reason.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.htm
Good read
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1993 World trade center NYC..Clinton didn't even come to the site..let alone retaliate in any way shape or form
I didn't like the fact that he didn't visit the site. So, that's points off for that one. At least he actually got the bastards who did it, unlike yours truly, Mr. Bush.
USS Cole..Just a phony tear from him..again no retaliation what so ever.
Could he have done much about it? It was one month before the election, and even if he put all his power into hunting down the group that was responsible, they still wouldn't have been caught during his Presidency.
Bill Clinton took office in 1993...US NAVY SHIPS Approx 3200
Thank fully he left office 2001...US NAVY SHIPS approx 2100
Disgracefull!!!
Wow, 1,100 fewer ships. It cut unnecessary spending, and no harm was done by it. It's not like we can't defend ourselves with 2,100 ships. And mind you, we STILL have the most powerful military in the world. A quote... " . . . the federal budget on anti-terror activities tripled during Clinton's watch, to about $6.7 billion. After the effort to kill bin Laden with missiles in August 1998 failed — he had apparently left a training camp in Afghanistan a few hours earlier — recent news reports have detailed numerous other instances, as late as December 2000, when Clinton was on the verge of unleashing the military again. In each case, the White House chose not to act because of uncertainty that intelligence was good enough to find bin Laden, and concern that a failed attack would only enhance his stature in the Arab world."
Major cuts to US intelligence operations throughout the 1990's
Yeah, cuts to unnecessary spending, once again.
Sept. 11, 2001...............Thank you Mr. Clinton and the Liberal agenda...
No, thank you FBI for 9/11. It was that organization that disgarded information from an agent that terrorists were going to attack NYC on that date. Get your facts straight. And what's this about the "Liberal Agenda" being one that wishes to harm our nation? Where the hell are you getting this?
Enough said about security now and the 1990's
Well yes, if you're one to believe everything the Republican party says, and nothing that any other party says or does.
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Originally posted by Silat
Elf you really ought to read a little more about UBL during the Clinton years. Like Bush he did what he could.
But the fact that you Bush Brown Shirts cant even look at the current administration on its own is very telling. :(
There was a link in another thread to a very comprehensive timeline for 9-11. (I searched for it but couldnt find it, maybe someone else can find it) It went back years and years. At least 3 times Clinton had opportunites to approve military strikes to kill OBL and denied them. On multiple occassions the Sudanese offered their help with bin Laden, every time the Clinton administration turned them down.
Let's look at a *what if* shall we?
What if.....Clinton had ordered the strikes to kill OBL?
What if...one of the strikes was successful?
There is a very good chance that 9-11 would never have happened. With no 9-11 there is no war declared by the US on terrorism, no invasion of Afghanistan, no invasion of Iraq. Billions of dollars would have been saved, thousands of lives spared.
Silat, I am only going to say this once ever.....dont call me names if you wish to preserve our friendship. We can debate our views on this board all you want and it wont affect our friendship from my end unless you resort to name calling.
Also, your comments on squad channel about christians, I find them offensive. You see....I am one.
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Originally posted by Fruda
If we didn't have people paying taxes, we wouldn't even have that $245 a month for food.
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And I'm sure as hell not gonna work at Jack In The Box for $6 an hour.
Who said that beggars can't be choosers?
They can actually demand that others feed them
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Originally posted by Fruda
Dodging the fact that George Bush Sr. had even bigger tax hikes is beyond me. Clinton helped us recover from the Bush presidency. And refund checks? We (my family) never got anything like that, nor has anybody I know.
Do you have any idea of how difficult it is to make it with only $245 a month for food? That's all that the government is giving us (3 people in my house) for my Dad's disabilities. If we didn't have people paying taxes, we wouldn't even have that $245 a month for food.
And my brother can't get a job, because if he did, the government would cut off our monthly food stamps (he'd also only be able to work at a place like Wal-Mart). And my dad can't work because he's really messed up from kidney and heart disease (among other things). And I'm sure as hell not gonna work at Jack In The Box for $6 an hour.
If we didn't have these taxes and government programs, we wouldn't have a house, a car, food, or clothes. Two people working at Wal-Mart and Jack In The Box won't pay for half of what we have.
And those service jobs aren't meaningless. They're good for the person who's starting out --- Somebody with a small apartment and not too many things. But I'm saying that those people who lost their office and manufacturing jobs are working in service jobs now, making far less money than they actually need.
Those jobs are meaningless to people who once had jobs that payed over $45,000 a year. Don't take something out of the original context just because you're pissed off for some odd reason.
Not sure what your situation is but,
$6 * 2000 hours per year assuming 40 hour weeks = $12,000 * 2 brothers = $24,000
$245 * 12 = $2,940
How is the $240 a month better than the $6/hour?????
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Originally posted by CAVY
OK..Now I see... Bill Clinton is in office for eight years..and now he opens a library and I'm supposed to forget all about Paula Jones, Juanita Brodrick, et al. Here we go again typical liberals attempting to re-write history. I wonder if anything in the building, (so eloquently described by a British newspaper as a large oversized trailer) has any references to the following:
Not retrieving UBL from Sudan.
The largest tax hikes the USA has ever seen.
After Clinton got done with cutting the defense budget it look like a crime scene.
Al gore (enough said)
Lets not forget PARDON GATE
And many more....
Let's face it...I know I'm gonna get the responses that the 1990's were the great years of prosperity..All I can say about that..is thank you Republicans and I would rather be safe than prosper.
To be continued
Sheeesh, MrBlack... two new ID's in a week! I see the dipsticks rehab you underwent didn't work. ;)
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I forgot to mention... If my brother and I get jobs, we lose our insurance. And $24,000 a year isn't even enough to pay for my dad's pills.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. People being *******s and jumping to conclusions when they don't even know the person with whom they're speaking, much less their financial situation.
...Simply put: The $245 a month for FOOD is better than $6 an hour, because along with that $245 we get insurance. We also have medicare that pays for my dad's pills, some of which cost over $150 (Procrit is $400, which he needs so he can actually have enough energy to get out of bed in the morning).
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Originally posted by CAVY
BRAVO for the GUNSLINGER SEMPER FI OOOOHHHH RAAAAHHHH
thanks welcome to the forum
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Originally posted by dedalos
How is the $240 a month better than the $6/hour?????
he can stay home and watch cable
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Originally posted by Fruda
I forgot to mention... If my brother and I get jobs, we lose our insurance. And $24,000 a year isn't even enough to pay for my dad's pills.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. People being *******s and jumping to conclusions when they don't even know the person with whom they're speaking, much less their financial situation.
...Simply put: The $245 a month for FOOD is better than $6 an hour, because along with that $245 we get insurance. We also have medicare that pays for my dad's pills, some of which cost over $150 (Procrit is $400, which he needs so he can actually have enough energy to get out of bed in the morning).
last time I checked Walmart has insurence benifits. If not watch the comercial they run about having them.....apply there...then sue the crap out of them for false advertising.
I feel your pain.....but quite simplie put....would you rather have, for lack of better words, wellfare going to people like yourselves that want to fend for yourself than to those who can work but simply don't. There probably isn't one Conservative on this board that wants to see Americans starve because they can't fend for themselves. What we don't want is a portion of our paycheck going to somone who is perfectly capable to work but doesnt want to and keeps poping out more kids because they make more wellfare money that way.
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How old are you Fruda if I may ask?
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Originally posted by Fruda
And $24,000 a year isn't even enough to pay for my dad's pills.
10 month year?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
last time I checked Walmart has insurence benifits. If not watch the comercial they run about having them.....apply there...then sue the crap out of them for false advertising.
I feel your pain.....but quite simplie put....would you rather have, for lack of better words, wellfare going to people like yourselves that want to fend for yourself than to those who can work but simply don't. There probably isn't one Conservative on this board that wants to see Americans starve because they can't fend for themselves. What we don't want is a portion of our paycheck going to somone who is perfectly capable to work but doesnt want to and keeps poping out more kids because they make more wellfare money that way.
I completely agree with that. There's a guy who lives just a house over from me, and he was a disability fraud. He finally stopped the act and began to work, because he could. I think we need some sort of program that checks people FAIRLY, to see if they're in need of disability and further benefits.
To answer the question of the costs of my dad's medication: Like I said, a lot of his pills cost over a hundred dollars per bottle. He takes over twenty different pills every day, twice a day. Each bottle lasts about two weeks... So that's an average of $75 per bottle every two weeks, with Procrit four times a year at $400 each. It's over $6,000 a year for his medication. Then there's back payments for medical bills, which total over $1,260,000 (I'm not joking), house payments, taxes, miscellaneous bills (food, cable) and city bills. We'd barely make it with jobs if it wasn't for that huge back payment. And then we'd need insurance.
And mietla... What exactly is your problem? You're not making yourself look very intelligent or friendly with those comments.
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Originally posted by Fruda
And mietla... What exactly is your problem? You're not making yourself look very intelligent or friendly with those comments.
That was not my intent.
I was sarcastic and perhaps sounded to harsh, but the truth is that what you've said really rubbed be the wrong way.
Your dad is disabled. I'm really sorry to hear that and if this is the case he (your dad) fully deserves the help from the rest of us. My question is where you and your brother come into it. That is why I've asked about your age. If you and your brother are under age and can't work, I have no problem with wellfare benefits of your dad extending to you two, but if you are capable and legally employable, I take your statement as an insult.
You simply state that you CHOOSE not to work for $6/hours. As a matter of fact you seem to sound insulted that someone might even suggest it. That is what I found offensive.
No one has a right to live off of someone else's labor. If I see someone in need, I have no problem with lending a helping hand, but I want to be a judge whether the help is warranted. What I have a huge problem with is the omnipresent welfare state where people who work hard and produce are robbbed by the government and the fruits of their labor are distributed among the likes of your neighbour.
I'll give you the benefit of a doubt and let you rephrase/explain your statement:
"And I'm sure as hell not gonna work at Jack In The Box for $6 an hour. "
P.S. I can assure you I do know what it means to be poor. I consider myself lucky that I've never had to ask others (via the government extortion) to contribute to me and my family. I've worked two and sometimes three jobs to provide for my family, and maybe that why I find your refusal to work because you think that the welfare state can provide more offensive.
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"I'm sure as hell not gonna work at Jack In The Box at $6 an hour and get everything we own taken away, along with our house." Is that better? Because that fits the situation.
It's not that I'm "choosing" to do so. I would work, but if I did, we'd be in deep ****. I'm 16, so I can't exactly do much more than that.
My brother is 19, still going through College (we get Financial Aid, which is no problem with the government). He wouldn't be able to get much better jobs than me.
Believe me... I would work; I want to work. It's just impossible with the situation we're in, and it's like this for a lot of people. That's why welfare is a good thing. But, as I said before, things are getting better. It looks as if money is going to come in, and I mean a lot of it. That means the back medical bills can be paid off, and we can get jobs.
And I thank you for being sarcastic rather than just being an bellybutton ;) .
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Originally posted by Fruda
Dodging the fact that George Bush Sr. had even bigger tax hikes is beyond me. Clinton helped us recover from the Bush presidency. And refund checks? We (my family) never got anything like that, nor has anybody I know.
Do you have any idea of how difficult it is to make it with only $245 a month for food? That's all that the government is giving us (3 people in my house) for my Dad's disabilities. If we didn't have people paying taxes, we wouldn't even have that $245 a month for food.
And my brother can't get a job, because if he did, the government would cut off our monthly food stamps (he'd also only be able to work at a place like Wal-Mart). And my dad can't work because he's really messed up from kidney and heart disease (among other things). And I'm sure as hell not gonna work at Jack In The Box for $6 an hour.
If we didn't have these taxes and government programs, we wouldn't have a house, a car, food, or clothes. Two people working at Wal-Mart and Jack In The Box won't pay for half of what we have.
And those service jobs aren't meaningless. They're good for the person who's starting out --- Somebody with a small apartment and not too many things. But I'm saying that those people who lost their office and manufacturing jobs are working in service jobs now, making far less money than they actually need.
Those jobs are meaningless to people who once had jobs that payed over $45,000 a year. Don't take something out of the original context just because you're pissed off for some odd reason.
Im not pissed off at all... and I'm sorry to here about your family sir..That aside..If I had the unfortunate things happen to me like losing a job or some sort of uncontrolled tragedy, I would welcome ANY JOB that was offered to me I wouldn't sit behind the desk of a $3000.00 computer talking to someone about it I would do everything I could to assist my family in any way I can.. it takes a bigger person to act than it does to sit and wait for a Gov't handout..... and i see the gov't is really taking care of you with your house car and computer...Your the first person I no that has openly admitted you are bilkng the system....You are the reason why the system is out of control..
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I have two jobs Fruda, you can have one of mine.
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This is wicked....
Just when CAVY shows up to regurgitate FOX, Frudu shows up to put a human face to welfare.
Frankly, I was shocked that he had the balls to admit it, considering this BBS. I almost thought it was a troll...
We've seen and heard from the ARRGH GRUMBLE cry-baby contingent plenty.....
It's great to finally hear from the likes of Fruda... who are actually having to deal with this stuff - fo real. Aint pretty. And it aint fair. But as far as this BBS goes, it's balanced.
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Originally posted by Nash
This is wicked....
Just when CAVY shows up to regurgitate FOX, Frudu shows up to put a human face to welfare.
Frankly, I was shocked that he had the balls to admit it, considering this BBS. I almost thought it was a troll...
We've seen and heard from the ARRGH GRUMBLE cry-baby contingent plenty.....
It's great to finally hear from the likes of Fruda... who are actually having to deal with this stuff - fo real. Aint pretty. And it aint fair. But as far as this BBS goes, it's balanced.
Im the first to tell you how ugly some situations are.... I see it everyday sir, and lived it for 20 years of my life....As I said...it is sad to see some peoples situations..I just feel most people when given a chance to work, they would take it. Don't bite the hand that's willing to feed you.
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*Sigh* Why can't democrats learn to take responsibilities for their own actions instead of always playing the victim and pointing the finger at someone else ?!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139142,00.html
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
*Sigh* Why can't democrats learn to take responsibilities for their own actions instead of always playing the victim and pointing the finger at someone else ?!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139142,00.html
Ripsnort
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feh... the guy is 16. You think he's gonna earn enough money pumping gas after school to support his dad? It's like there's a string coming outta some of y'alls back - ya just pull it and the same sounds come out.
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I'm the problem? I said I'd work if it wouldn't screw everything up.
People like us NEED welfare. If we didn't have welfare, I wouldn't even be here. I wouldn't be in this house, we wouldn't have a car, and we definately wouldn't have money for food. My dad would've been dead, too.
I, as well as others, are not the lazy-ass people you think we are. Working would be great, but as I said... We'd be screwed if we did.
Oh, and I'd like to mention that we did "try to take action". My dad started selling insurance again about two years ago, but he got *really* sick from moving all over the place, and just couldn't continue. The government knew about it, and they reduced our food stamps from $350 a month to the $245 we get now. And let me tell you... $350 wasn't even enough to really get by the month.
Yes, there are people who cheat to get welfare --- but most of us really do need it, and don't have many ways of getting out of the situations we're in.
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Originally posted by Fruda
I'm the problem? I said I'd work if it wouldn't screw everything up.
People like us NEED welfare. If we didn't have welfare, I wouldn't even be here. I wouldn't be in this house, we wouldn't have a car, and we definately wouldn't have money for food. My dad would've been dead, too.
I, as well as others, are not the lazy-ass people you think we are. Working would be great, but as I said... We'd be screwed if we did.
Oh, and I'd like to mention that we did "try to take action". My dad started selling insurance again about two years ago, but he got *really* sick from moving all over the place, and just couldn't continue. The government knew about it, and they reduced our food stamps from $350 a month to the $245 we get now. And let me tell you... $350 wasn't even enough to really get by the month.
Yes, there are people who cheat to get welfare --- but most of us really do need it, and don't have many ways of getting out of the situations we're in.
point taken....best of luck to you and your family....You see all of us conservatives aren't bad.....
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You mean "not all of us are bad".
The ones where I live are horrible, and many of them are racist. My best friend's mom is a hard-line Catholic conservative, and she's openly voiced her opinions on people of other colors.
And, you see that most of us aren't bad, either. We all have a lot in common, but our representatives just can't get that through their heads.
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Originally posted by Fruda
I'm the problem? I said I'd work if it wouldn't screw everything up.
People like us NEED welfare. If we didn't have welfare, I wouldn't even be here. I wouldn't be in this house, we wouldn't have a car, and we definately wouldn't have money for food.
Not to mention you lose your cable, computer, IP service, AH account, and brothers free college education. I'm with Nash on this one; this puts a human face to sad and heart wrenching story.
S!
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Yeah because TV and the internet are SUCH luxuries. If they gonna be poor, lets not play games.... Strip them of everything.
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I guess they aren't, and you have no problem asking me to pay for it.
I'll make you a deal. You send the kid 6 months dues for AH and I won't ***** about paying for the food stamps or mention if you're on welfare, you better have rabbit ears on your TV.
We on?
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Ya know.... I pay the 6 months to kids on this side of the border. You pay them to kids on that side.
And.... I don't really have a problem with that. In fact, if I knew that it turned out that my portion of the tax dollars went specifically so this kid could get away from a sort of grim reality that I didn't have to face, and instead enable him to walk into the next room, fire up a stang and forget about it for a few hours, it'd put a great big arsed smile on my face.
Gawdammit... the *****ing.....
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Originally posted by Nash
Ya know.... I pay the 6 months to kids on this side of the border. You pay them to kids on that side.
And.... I don't really have a problem with that. In fact, if I knew that it turned out that my portion of the tax dollars went specifically so this kid could get away from a sort of grim reality that I didn't have to face, and instead enable him to walk into the next room, fire up a stang and forget about it for a few hours, it'd put a great big arsed smile on my face.
Gawdammit... the *****ing.....
I gotta agree with Nash on this one.
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Fruda, may I ask what your ingame id is? If you dont feel comfortable posting it here you can email it to me at cyberpilot@earthlink.net
Thanks :-)
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The whole taxes thing, the welfare thing... the people who complain and complain. How does that saying go? Something like (and imagine a John Wayne voice) "We don't wanna give hand outs, we wanna give them a leg up".... or some retarded thing like that.
That's cowboy speak for I don't know what. They don't know what. However, I'm sure it produces tingles down the spine as the words are delivered.
But, just what does that mean? What is this "leg up" that you speak of? Give me an example of "leg up". What does it look like? And when was the last time you righteous folk even lifted one of these so-called legs yer own self. Not through taxes, because they're evil and lets pretend that they don't exist for a second.
No, I mean... When was the last time you wandered into the jungle and lifted a leg? How'd you make that happen? What did it look like?
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But, just what does that mean? What is this "leg up" that you speak of? Give me an example of "leg up". What does it look like? And when was the last time you righteous folk even lifted one of these so-called legs yer own self. Not through taxes, because they're evil and lets pretend that they don't exist for a second.
It's the old saying Nash, give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
In America Nash many many people on welfare *could* work, they are perfectly capable of working. (Not talking about Fruda's situation here). They either dont want to work or dont have any job skills to speak of. Teach them to fish.
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Add fish to the legs.....
Another one of them sayings that doesn't mean squat in the real world except that it sounds good and somehow should make sense but sadly doesn't translate.
So you agree that there are folks deserving of welfare, and folks that cheat it.
That's great... now instead of saying little poems, tell me how ya solve the problem of not yanking welfare from the deserving due to trying to yank it from the cheaters.
Oh wait a sec... That's already an issue, state to state. Thousands of people are trying to figure this one out as we speak. Poems don't help.
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It's not a poem Nash, and there is no easy answer. You are correct people are trying to figure out how to yank the welfare rug from those that dont need it while making sure the people who DO need it still get it.
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Everything is a poem.
Kudos for your post 4 above this.
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Nash send me an email will ya? Addy in a post above.
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roger wilco
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Thanks Nash :)
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Nash, this isn't really about some kid on the bbs or if he plays AH, it's the big picture.
I'm sure you felt some self gratification posting that warm compassionate heart string tugger about giving the kid a chance to strap on a P51 and forget about lifes hardships. Terrific. But when asked to put up the $89.70 bill, you thought you already did your part on your side of the border? Mmmkay. Plenty of working guys here have posted they were trimming bills to make ends meet, and gave up things like online game subscriptions. Your argument is a self serving one, as you won't buck up to back it up.
I have a problem with that.
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Creamo... when will you stop crying?
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I knew it! You're trying to queer me. I'd try anything, but tha'd hurt wouldn't it? Yuck.
It is time for you to stop all of your sobbing
Yes it’s time for you to stop all of your sobbing oh oh oh
There’s one thing you gotta do
To make me still want you
Gotta stop sobbing now
Yeah yeah stop it stop it
It is time for you to laugh instead of crying
Yes it’s time for you to laugh so keep on trying oh oh oh
There’s one thing you gotta do
To make me still want you
Gotta stop sobbing now
Yeah yeah stop it stop it
Each little tear that falls from your eyes
Makes, makes me want
To take you in my arms and tell you
To stop all your sobbing
There’s one thing you gotta do
To make me still want you
And there’s one thing you gotta know
To make me want you so
Gotta stop sobbing now
Yeah yeah stop it stop it
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I'm lost....
Donna Summers?
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Why is Michael Jackson surrounded by Huey Lewis and the News, under the word "Prentenders"?
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Circumventing language filter
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Originally posted by CAVY
Hey creamo....just your typical liberal that just don't get it..let him pay all he want's..his blather b******t doesn't even dignify an answer
sorry creamo I left out the word NASH..LOL
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CAVY, we are pretty intolerant of trolls. Using multiple ID's to pat yourself on the back and feed the thread just makes it worse. Pick an ID and stick with it.