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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Saurdaukar on November 18, 2004, 07:07:45 PM
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Heard I missed a pretty good show. Apparently teh Dev's released a bunch of uber-bad guys and raided the servers one location at a time.
In any event - Ill be buying the retail and signing up.
Who else?
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I'm extremely tempted. But the last time I picked up an MMORPG, i got addicted bad.
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My son will for sure, I may. BTW, I was just in the beta 10 mins ago.
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Did you witness any of the Dev raids?
I deleted the beta this afternoon and wasnt able to see it - Im hoping some screenies show up on the boards.
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WTF is DEV? and what game are you guys talking about?
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Guns
They are talking about Worlds of Warcraft, a Massivly multiplayer online RPG
Dev is developer.
Very good game... Did they fix the lag issues in the beta on test 8?
I am in Halifax and have not played since saturday.
I will be buying and playing.
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Ahhh surprisingly I've never gotten into warcraft.
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Oh I do not like the RTS game at all, but the WoW rocks, it is lots of fun.
Nothing like the RTS except the setting.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Oh I do not like the RTS game at all, but the WoW rocks, it is lots of fun.
Nothing like the RTS except the setting.
I like anything by Sid Meyers, alfa centari and all the CIV games. I also got into the command and conqure series. Recently I tried my hand at settlers 4. I do like strategy games so It's suprising that I never got into warcraft.
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The GM raids at the very end were crazy! Mj just happened to be in a city at the time (we only had one beta account, so i was watching over his shoulder) and we saw all these bones lying around and couldn't figure out what had killed all the people and then these infernals and doomguards came out of no where. Mj's poor orc didn't stand a chance. Apparently later on he and a bunch of others got together and managed to kill a couple of the doomguards. The GMs were even raiding the new character areas too, taking out a little beta aggression. Can't wait for next tuesday when the game offically opens, we have a great clan going. :-)
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"I deleted the beta this afternoon and wasnt able to see it - Im hoping some screenies show up on the boards."
I have a few shots if you care to post an addy I can mail it to. Nothing special since my camera eye isn't exactly the best, but you'd have the general idea of the chaos--felhounds, doomguards, infernals, dreadlords and such. I'm not usually one to get into RPG type games (I've been known to make fun of EQ'ers), but I've always liked the Warcraft series. I still dust off the original now and then. Plus it's a PC game that my wife will actually play too.
"Very good game... Did they fix the lag issues....."
The lag was 90% resolved by the end of beta testing. Still a little now than then but nothing like a few days ago.
J_A_B
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Loved the beta. Going to love the game.
I'm buying it and setting it up when it comes out on Tuesday, but I don't really plan on playing it for a week or so. I figure I won't have much time over Thanksgiving anyway and the hardcore WoW nutz are going to be saturating the first 10 levels worth of quests.
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Originally posted by J_A_B
I'm not usually one to get into RPG type games (I've been known to make fun of EQ'ers), but I've always liked the Warcraft series. I still dust off the original now and then. Plus it's a PC game that my wife will actually play too.
Same here, almost exactly. The only difference being that I dont have a ring on my finger. ;)
Found some screenies... looks like I missed a good time. I really hope stuff like this happens every once in awhile during retail.
I also hope that we'll be able to have some good old fashioned fun raiding opposing faction towns and such in PvP servers.
Speaking of which... what servers are you guys all going to set up on?
Here are pics of the "burning legion," some better than others... the text buffers are funny, anyway. ;)
(http://www.worldofwar.net/screenshots/images/screens/1199.jpg)
(http://www.worldofwar.net/screenshots/images/screens/1198.jpg) (http://www.worldofwar.net/screenshots/images/screens/1192.jpg)
(http://www.worldofwar.net/screenshots/images/screens/1185.jpg)
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(http://www.worldofwar.net/screenshots/images/screens/1182.jpg)
(http://www.worldofwar.net/screenshots/images/screens/1181.jpg)
(http://www.worldofwar.net/screenshots/images/screens/1180.jpg)
(http://www.worldofwar.net/screenshots/images/screens/1179.jpg)
(http://www.worldofwar.net/screenshots/images/screens/1177.jpg)
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wow... that thing was hitting for 700+?!? I'd be running with my tail tucked between my legs.
Blizzard hasn't renamed their servers yet. We plan on joining one of the PvP servers in the central time zone. If you're interested, I can post it when we've figured out which one that is.
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Sure thing. Lemme know.
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Can you still get into the beta?
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Nope - beta is closed. Retail is released on Tuesday.
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so we cant log into our beta acounts?
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gues that means they made the call to get rid of beta chars and not transfer them?
Or atleast I hope so.
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To the best of my knowledge all accounts/characters will be wiped.
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I think that is prolly the best way to go.
The beta testors will have enough of an advantage from just what they know.
Were you on test 8 Saur?
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"gues that means they made the call to get rid of beta chars and not transfer them? "
Correct.
I'll be on one of the PvE servers. Pretty much all servers in WoW have a considerable level of PvP (even on PvE in the beta I spent as much time in pvp raids on enemy towns as on pve content), but on PvE you don't have to waste your time with 14-year-old griefers if you actually want to get something else done.
J_A_B
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GTO - I was in test 1. Had a 21 tank and a big arse two handed axe before it closed. ;)
JAB - you mean we can still raid enemy towns PvP style... in a PvE server?
Im new to this whole MMORPG thing... how does that work?
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How does this game compare to UO?
Is it all Warring, or are there crafting functions.
What about PVP?
Allowed in some areas and not others?
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Muck, all kinds of crafting. Different trades, skills, etc.
Hell, for some of the Beta test I was wearing armor that I made (trained in blacksmithing and mining).
There are both PvP servers and PvE servers. I think in the PvP servers the ability to attack or be attacked is dictated by location.
If youre in a friendly territory you are generally safe, if in unfriendly territory youre fair game and I think both sides are far game in contested territories.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Ahhh surprisingly I've never gotten into warcraft.
Played WCII or was it III?
anyway
the only game I ever played completley from start to finish.
Musta had my fill of it as while I've picked up the other ones for my kid I never bothered trying to do more then a couple levels since
Have however used some of the sound files .
Hmm gives me an idea.
Instead of that blasted Air raid siren I should just change it to the ORCs "We're being attacked!"
and the engine startup sound to "Yes Master"
LMAO
BTW had a GREAT soundtrack
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"JAB - you mean we can still raid enemy towns PvP style... in a PvE server? "
Yes. There's really no such thing as a "pure" PvE server in WoW, the only difference is that the PvE server gives you the option to ignore player combat when you want to, while you're always in pvp mode on the PvP servers.
Basically, on the PvE server, you can turn on PvP any time you wish simply by typing /pvp--that flags you for pvp and allows enemies of the opposing faction to attack you. In addition, any time you do the following, you are automatically flagged for pvp: a) enter the main city of the opposing faction, b) attack a mob on the opposing faction (like a guard), c) buff a friendly player who has his pvp flag active, d) attack an enemy player who has his pvp flag active. Once active, the pvp flag remains on for a set length of time after you cease pvp activity.
When you flag is active, members of the opposing faction may attack you. You cannot attack the other guy unless he either has his flag up, or until he attacks you (as attacking automatically turns the flag on). This prevents you from simply walking into an enemy newbie area and slaughtering them.
Players not flagged for PvP have blue names regardless of faction. Friendly players with their flag on show green names. If you are NOT flagged, enemy players with their flag on show as yellow. If you have your flag on, flag-active enemies show as red.
When you raid an enemy area, the opposing side's general chat will flash with reports of "soandso location is under attack!" These reports always draw fair amounts of attention. I played on a PvE server, and there were several times I found myself in a massive PvP battle with 30 or more players per side duking it out.
The area between Ashenvale and the Barrens seemed to attract the most pvp battles by far but it can happen in any region of the game.
In addition to all this, several "battleground" zones are in the works which will flag the player for PvP as soon as you enter the area. I've already seen maps for two such zones posted on another BBS. They won't make it in time for the game's launch; I expect to see them shortly after the new year. There are also plans to implement rewards for pvp combat that aren't available from AI mobs. I don't expect to see too much pvp action immediately after the game goes live as everyone will be trying to level, but in time I fully expect pvp battles to be a signifigant portion of the game, even on the PvE servers.
The downside with the PvE server's system is it permits a non-flagged guy to just walk up to you and basically get a free hit on you if you have your flag active. This is IMO a small price to pay for the benefit of not having to put up with gankers and greifers.
Overall, I'd recommend a PvE server to anyone who wishes to utlize pvp as a secondary activity (I mainly pvp when my wife isn't playing as she hates pvp). If you plan on being a full-time pvp'er, might as well play on the dedicated pvp servers. I wouldn't recommend the game at all unless you enjoyed previous Warcraft games. Even the graphics of WoW are extremely distinctive and stylized.
I can't compare WoW to UO, having never played the latter title. I can compare it to EQ if you like as I have some experience with it (owing to the fact that my best friend and his wife are rabid EQ fanatics...they actually met each other over friggin EQ).
J_A_B
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nice description of the rules in PvE.
Just for comparison, in PvP, the rules are location dependant. There are 3 types of zones: friendly, enemy and contested.
If you are in a friendly controlled zone, and you see enemy players, they are flagged as yellow, which means they can't attack you until you attack them.
In contested zones, enemy players (and you) are fair game at all times.
In enemy territory, you can't attack enemy players unless they attack you first. (you fight on thier terms)
As far as griefing is concerned... I don't think it can happen as easily in this game as it has in past games. For one, it's a lot easier to run away in this game. Also, a group of 3 average lv20s can take down a lv60. I know. I've done it. I'm not worried about 14 year olds with lv60 characters camping the contested roads because I don't plan on going down those roads unless I go in force.
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I was never impressed with WoW, EQII is a far better game, graphically and game play wise.
ack-ack
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Ack
You may say that now, but wait 6 months from now when you find out they don't have content ready, or when they release the first patch.
EQ was a fun game but Sony/Varant suck bellybutton at running it.
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Thats the problem with online games. I cannot compete with a 14 year old who plays 11 hours a day.
Still, this is looking interesting.
I wish I had more time to devote.
So how much will it cost a month?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Ack
You may say that now, but wait 6 months from now when you find out they don't have content ready, or when they release the first patch.
EQ was a fun game but Sony/Varant suck bellybutton at running it.
Have you even tried EQ2? Believe me, EQ2 has far more in the way of content than WoW has. And yes, I did play the WoW beta so I know what that game is like.
ack-ack
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No, playing EQ and seeing how bad it was and how bad Sony Verant was, was enough for me to not pay for another product from them.
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Muck
It will prolly be 15 or so a month.
Most of the 15 year olds will go to EQ 2 I think.
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if EQ2 is what I think it is (EQ1 with more classes, races, and a new graphics engine) then it'll turn into a grind LONG before WoW does. At least WoW has a storyline worth mentioning and multiple ways to advance your character. Killing the same field of monsters over and over again gets boring REAL quick.
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I agree, not to mention, EQ2 is going to be the land of *****y uber guilds, and the game for people who have no life.
I like how WoW kinda rewards you for being away from the game for a time.
I do not plan to spend 8 hours a day playing like I did for EQ, only to find out 8 hours wasnt enough, and you had to be "uber" to get into a "good" guild to do large portions of the higher level content.
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Originally posted by Preon1
if EQ2 is what I think it is (EQ1 with more classes, races, and a new graphics engine) then it'll turn into a grind LONG before WoW does. At least WoW has a storyline worth mentioning and multiple ways to advance your character. Killing the same field of monsters over and over again gets boring REAL quick.
If you played the WoW beta for any period of time, you've pretty much experienced all that there is content wise for the game. Not true of EQ2. And as for the multiple ways to advance your character...this is another area that WoW cannot compete with EQ2 on.
ack-ack
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"I was never impressed with WoW, EQII is a far better game, graphically and game play wise. "
Shrug.....I could say the exact same thing, except with the titles reversed. No need to though--I hold no grudge against the EQ2 guys. I sincerely hope EQ2 does well; competition is a good thing. For the benefit of all of us it'd be ideal if SOE is a little scared of Blizzard....and vice-versa. It makes them work that much harder, meaning better product from both.
To a total newcommer to the genre who hasn't already made up his mind, I'd say find a way to try them both and pick the one you like better. I'd rate them about equal overall (both are high quality, well-polished products), but they appeal to slightly different sorts of people--meaning if you like one, in all probability you won't care much for the other. I haven't met many people who have a hard time deciding which one they like better.
"If you played the WoW beta for any period of time, you've pretty much experienced all that there is content wise for the game. "
Blizzard has reported that they deliberately didn't make most of their high-end content available to their beta testers. We'll see how much truth there is to this over the next few weeks.
J_A_B
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Ack
EQ2 may be a great game, but Sony/Verant were so bad, that I am going to have to hear more then 2 good reviews before I trust them with my money again.
Blizzard is not known for putting out buggy crap.
Verant I will not say the same for.
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"Blizzard is not known for putting out buggy crap.
Verant I will not say the same for."
EQ2's launch alone was by all accounts among the smoothest ever. Apparently they handled it very, very well. If you haven't tried EQ2, you probably should--it IS a fine product.
Personally I just prefer the other side. That's no knock aganst EQ2.
J_A_B
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I have a budy or two in the beta, and have read up on it. It is tempting, but it sounds WAY more complicated then EQ1 and WoW.
Just for that reason I think it will be more of a time sink then EQ 1 and WoW.
Also every friend but one loves WoW and will be playing. Most of the same crew HATE verant and won't touch another product from them.
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Originally posted by J_A_B
To a total newcommer to the genre who hasn't already made up his mind, I'd say find a way to try them both and pick the one you like better. I'd rate them about equal overall (both are high quality, well-polished products), but they appeal to slightly different sorts of people--meaning if you like one, in all probability you won't care much for the other. I haven't met many people who have a hard time deciding which one they like better.
J_A_B
I think you're right.
Even though both games are in the same genre (fantasy RPG), they are trying for two different markets. EQ2 is geared more towards the power gamer while WoW is taking a different approach and making the game more geared towards the casual gamer.
While EQ2 has made a conscience effort to make the game easier for those new to the genre, it is still basically aimed at the hard-core gamer. WoW takes the other approach to the point that they've put in game features that pretty much penalize you for being a hard-core gamer. This is a highly unusual approach to MMORPGs of this scale. There are a lot of people watching to see if this type of MMORPG can succeed since pretty much all the MMORPGs are geared towards the hard-core gamer because that's were the money is.
Personally, while WoW will enjoy a few months of success and popularity it will not approach the same numbers of EQ/EQ2. There will be a lot of people turned off to the game because of the game play features put in to limit the hard core gamer.
ack-ack
ack-ack
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Ack
I think that is a pretty good take, but I think WoW will dp well just based on that.
The people who got turned off by the hardcore style of EQ one are going to love WoW.
What are some of the things you think WoW does to penalise the powergamer?
It is kinda funny you mention this, the one guy I know who is really stoked about EQ2, hates the whole UBER, powergamer thing about EQ1 and thinks all those players are going to stay with EQ1. I think he is nuts they are all going to move on to EQ 2.
Did you play EQ1?
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seeing the sreenshots i don't like it
just not my genre
i don't like those fantasy games
i want realistic simulation
i want tankplatoonIII
a good tanksim does anyone know ?
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EQ2... WoW... I know the choice wasnt difficult for me:
I dont do MMORPGs... mainly because Ive seen what becomes of EQ players and the whole "fantasy" thing doesnt interest me.
Like many, Id rather light up a spitfire than "slay the evil dragon!"
However... going into the WoW I was skiptical at best... figured Id run around like a fool for a little while, beat up some bad guys, make fun of the people playing, log out and delete it.
Then 3AM rolled around. I havent played a game that late since Civilization.
WoW is a great sum of parts. The history/storyline is fantastic, the "world" is beautifully done and rich in detail (not to mention massive), its not intimidating for a first time "sword and shield" MMORPG guy (like me)... its strikes the perfect balance.
It may not be as complicated as EQ2 or as "deep," but thats what attracts players like me. Its complicated enough to keep me interested in learning and at the same time easy enough to keep me having fun.
EQ is just a little bit too serious for me. When players start getting married online, quitting their jobs and buying characters on Ebay its time to go outside. I dont have 8 hours a day to spend playing so I wouldnt even be close to competative.
WoW is an attractive alternative.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
When players start getting married online, quitting their jobs and buying characters on Ebay its time to go outside.
hehe...sig material.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
What are some of the things you think WoW does to penalise the powergamer?
The whole "rested" system they put into the game. If you play for a continuous 2 hours you become "tired" and will gain less XP than someone that is "rested". You then have to log off, wait about 10 minutes and then log back on to get the max XP until the two hour limit comes back up and you need another "rest".
It will be interesting to see how well this works.
It is kinda funny you mention this, the one guy I know who is really stoked about EQ2, hates the whole UBER, powergamer thing about EQ1 and thinks all those players are going to stay with EQ1. I think he is nuts they are all going to move on to EQ 2.
Most of the hard-core EQ players and guilds have moved over to EQ2. But unlike EQ, EQ2 has made the effort to make the game a lot more attractive to the new player and in my opinion it has succeeded.
Even though I played EQ for a short time, I never really got into it. Mostly because I didn't want to really spend the time to level up my character and my gaming interests are more geared to the flight sims and first person shooters. The only RPGs I usually play are single player ones like Baldur's Gate. The only reason why I play Star Wars Galaxies is because of the recent Jump to Lightspeed expansion where they introduced space combat.
Having said that, I did play EQ2 througout it's beta cycle, from the time the in-house alpha test came out until it finally closed last week. I had a blast playing it and found it to be quite appealing. One of the nice things I liked about it is that I can level up at my own pace, which you really couldn't do in EQ.
ack-ack
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I played EQ for 3 years Ack-Ack. Yes you can level up at your own pace. And ALOT of the people I knew in EQ wont be going to EQ2 for one simple reason, no transfer of characters between games.
I quit playing EQ for a couple of reasons. First, I played on a pvp server (Tallon Zek), pvp in EQ is 80% gear 10% luck and 10% player skill. On TZ you could pvp with players 8 levels above or 8 levels below yours. I once fought a Berserker with my Ranger. The Berserker was 6 levels below my Ranger, my Ranger was wearing 500,000 platinum worth of gear that I had bought for him. (My Ranger was one SERIOUS twink hehe) That berserker beat the crap out of me. He was twinked with nodrop gear from Luclin and PoP expansions. I couldnt hit him with my swords, my bow and he resisted every spell I tryed to throw at him. I got tired of pvping in a system that your gear was the single largest contributor to whether you won or lost.
Second reason I quit was the cheaters. Perfect example: Human Druid named Roxicet. Roxicet wasnt in any guild that had enough power to take down boss mobs from the Velious expansion much less any expansion after that. I had better gear than she did yet I NEVER resisted a single spell she cast and I only landed maybe 1 in 10 spells I cast on her. Roxicet also never ran out of mana to cast spells with. The only times I ever saw her get killed in pvp was by Shadow Knights. Shadow Knights had some spells that are virtually unresistable plus they had a Death Touch ability. Two Lifetaps + DT = dead Roxicet.
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
seeing the sreenshots i don't like it
just not my genre
i don't like those fantasy games
i want realistic simulation
i want tankplatoonIII
a good tanksim does anyone know ?
I remember watching Mil Hip's flank my M1's and disgorge Soviet AT missile crews thinking why the **** are my Bradleys not engaging (not realising there was a low ridge blocking the Bradleys view).