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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=718&e=10&u=/ap/20041119/ap_on_re_us/radio_host_remark
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By JAMES A. CARLSON, Associated Press Writer
MILWAUKEE - A radio talk show host drew criticism Thursday after calling Condoleezza Rice an "Aunt Jemima" and saying she isn't competent to be secretary of state.
John Sylvester, the program director and morning personality on WTDY-AM in Madison, said in a phone interview Thursday that he used the term on Wednesday's show to describe Rice and other blacks as having only a subservient role in the Bush administration.
Rice has served as President Bush's national security adviser and was named this week to replace the departing Colin Powell as secretary of state.
Sylvester, who is white, also referred to Powell as an "Uncle Tom" a contemptuous term for a black whose behavior toward whites is regarded as fawning or servile.
He said Thursday night that he was referring to remarks by singer and civil rights activist Harry Belafonte that the price of admittance for blacks to the Bush White House was subservience.
As for Rice, "they're using her for an illusion of inclusion," he said, adding that he feels her history as national security adviser showed a lack of competence.
Madison Mayor Dave Cieslewicz called the remarks "racially insensitive," while Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., said in a statement he joined "all Wisconsinites in rejecting" the statements.
Linda Hoskins of the NAACP's Madison branch said she could not comment on Sylvester's remarks until she had heard them in their entirety.
The station's corporate office received about 100 calls about his comments, Sylvester said.
He added that he has a long history of commitment to civil rights and has supported Madison's black community.
He said he was planning a giveaway on Friday's show of Aunt Jemima pancake mix and syrup. "I will apologize to Aunt Jemima," he said.
The incident came after a radio host in Milwaukee had his talk show taken off the air all of last week after he used word "wetback" to refer to undocumented Mexican immigrants, sparking protests from Hispanics
in the heart of liberal center in wisconsin. this guy does not have a pleasant future out there. methinks there is going to be some local backlash to this, especially after the recent "wetback" incident mentioned at the bottom of that article
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ya know... I read the thing and scanned to see if the guy was a colored guy or a white guy (I absolutely knew they would say)...
when I seen he was a white guy I knew his bellybutton was grass. I was thinking that if he were a colored guy..... he would have just gotten away with it.
lazs
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yeah, but i am a bit suprised about the "wetback" thing myself. that guy is also from madison, but broadcasts in milwaukee now for the past 10 years.
since that appened there has been almost nothing said of possible reporcussions, or diciplinary action towards him (his name is mark belling) other than off the air 1 week.
maybe i am being naive here, but doent NAACP stand for the National Accociation for the Advancment of Colored People? wouldn't that include colors other than black? not a peep from them for the "wetback" remark though.
but wait i am being to logical about this whole thing.
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Oh my, them black peoples must be getting away with somethng again....
:rolleyes:
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tweety, did you even read what i posted?
what is worse? the "wetack" or the "aunt jemima" comment?
they are both equally offensive IMHO. but my point is this is 2 incidents in a few weeks here in wisconsin.
unfortunatly the most recent is proably going to get more media attention, and be looked down upon more than the "wetback" comment.
both are wrong, and should be dealt with equally, or is it OK to say one over the other?
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Originally posted by JB73
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=718&e=10&u=/ap/20041119/ap_on_re_us/radio_host_remark
.. especially after the recent "wetback" incident mentioned at the bottom of that article
Nah, even BBS posters here think wetback is not a racial slur...
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=98923&referrerid=3203
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Yea I read this ...
>>maybe i am being naive here, but doent NAACP stand for the National Accociation for the Advancment of Colored People? wouldn't that include colors other than black? not a peep from them for the "wetback" remark though.
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Somehow I don't believe you are sociliting a history lesson or even care about the history of the NAACP.
This will be a little bigot tea party - have fun.
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Actually, the NAACP hasn't said anything yet. I wonder if because he was saying it about the Bush administration he'll get away with it.
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I believe the NAACP realizes that some colored folk are not "black" enough and therefore fair game.... but it is a sticky situation... I believe that they would have been a lot more comfortable with a colored person de blacking successful Bush appointees rather than some honky.... no matter how liberal he is/was.
my guess... he is about to get a lesson in how many black friends he really has.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
when I seen he was a white guy I knew his bellybutton was grass. I was thinking that if he were a colored guy..... he would have just gotten away with it.
lazs
Hahaha, us white guys have it rough.
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>>I believe the NAACP realizes that some colored folk are not "black" enough and therefore fair game....<<
I'm sure you believe a lot of nutty stuff.
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tweety... are you saying that the NAACP embraces the conservative black in the same manner as the liberal one? Pretending something isn't happening doesn't make you any more noble than me.
hawk... should people who have it easier be treated worse than people who have a tougher time? so far as say.... freespeech? Should free speech be doled out on the basis of color? Just being a hypocrite doesn't make you any more noble than me.
lazs
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Growing up in Texas I always assumed the term "wetback" originated as a description of those crossing the Rio Grande river illegally hence the "wet" part. Nothing racial about it but I can understand how it could be perceived as being derogatory as it most likely was used that way by many unhappy with this illegal immigration.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
This will be a little bigot tea party - have fun.
Ahh and here it comes. Tweety's steryotypeing of us all as racist rednecks bigots. YES TWEETY THERE IS A DOUBLE STANDARD. If Colin Powell or Dr. Rice were liberals there would be half the bad things said about them.
IF THIS GUY had be a conservative and said the things he said there would be MAJOR hell to pay. The truth is no one here is really a bigot.....we just don't care because it doesnt affect our lives.
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I wasn't being all that serious, as you can tell by the "hahaha". Anyways, I just think these threads are funny. All this shouting of "IF THEY WERE BLACK/LIBERAL/JEWISH/WHITE/HINDU/A MAN, XYZ WOULD OR WOULD NOT HAPPEN!" Then when anyone questions the logic, everyone jumps on them as a racist. Seriously, who cares about all these what ifs?
I've seen threads like this at least 5 times before, its nothing new.
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>>tweety... are you saying that the NAACP embraces the conservative black in the same manner as the liberal one? Pretending something isn't happening doesn't make you any more noble than me.
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Pretend this doesn't happen. 55% of people exonerated for crimes in this country are black, 31% are white.
Translation - aproximately 24% more blacks are falsely convicted than whites. Add hispanics and really gets gross. 13% of cases that are exonerated are Hispanic. So 68% of all exonerated cases in the country are of minorities falsely accused of a crime.
Translation - a minority is over twice as likely to be falsely convicted of a crime in this country than a white person.
Facts suck don't they.
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Why are you guys encouraging Birdman?
He condones a white guy insulting black people because he doesn't politically agree with the black people. He uses his own political prism to justify a racist remark against people who politically don't agree with him. No where has he condemned the statement, he just insults those who condemned it.
Funny, as a conservative I condemned Rush Limbaugh's ridiculous statement about McNabb but for some reason a liberal can't seem to criticize another liberal. I find that quite humorous personally. It seems that racist insults directed at powerful black leaders in this country are only condoned when the black leaders are conservative and Republican.
I myself find racial insults pathetically immature rantings of a small mind, be that from someone on the right or on the left.
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A radio talk show host drew criticism Thursday after calling Condoleezza Rice an "Aunt Jemima" and saying she isn't competent to be secretary of state.
:lol
he must have skipped this part...
Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded honorary doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, the University of Notre Dame in 1995, the National Defense University in 2002, the Mississippi College School of Law in 2003, the University of Louisville and Michigan State University in 2004. She resides in Washington, D.C.
Nice resume :) She's gonna do fine imo:)
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Black and White still a big issue over ther huh ??
What about those fundamentalistic extremistic terror organisation called the KKK is it still allowed.
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Pretend this doesn't happen. 55% of people exonerated for crimes in this country are black, 31% are white.
This is moot to the conversation... answer the question.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
Facts suck don't they.
They don't bother me, but you seem to dislike them so much you omit them from everything you post.
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interesting math lesson there tweety... You seem to be saying that whites and blacks commit crimes at the same rate and that the split in prisons is what? 50/50? that would be the only way that your (well... the lefty site you worship) would be correct.
see, if there were 80% minority arrests and convictions then it would be the white guys who get exonerated at the higher rate and thus, by your strange logic.... convicted wrongly.
Most people convicted of crime are also repeat offenders and..... criminals.
now... what was that answer again?
so far what I get is that you think that because blacks commit more crimes per capita than whites that whites should have less free speech rights than blacks.... Is that about it?
lazs
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thnx lazs
u said well
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Originally posted by lazs2
interesting math lesson there tweety... You seem to be saying that whites and blacks commit crimes at the same rate and that the split in prisons is what? 50/50? that would be the only way that your (well... the lefty site you worship) would be correct.
see, if there were 80% minority arrests and convictions then it would be the white guys who get exonerated at the higher rate and thus, by your strange logic.... convicted wrongly.
Most people convicted of crime are also repeat offenders and..... criminals.
now... what was that answer again?
so far what I get is that you think that because blacks commit more crimes per capita than whites that whites should have less free speech rights than blacks.... Is that about it?
lazs
Lazs what you are missing is the global law enforcement conspiracy to frame blacks for crimes. Don't you watch South Park?
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>>interesting math lesson there tweety... You seem to be saying that whites and blacks commit crimes at the same rate and that the split in prisons is what? 50/50? that would be the only way that your (well... the lefty site you worship) would be correct.
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Like a fish on a string. Well here you go Laz, perhaps this will present a clearer picture for you...
from : http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Prison-Exonerations-Gross19apr04.htm
"At of the end of 2002, 35% of state prisoners serving sentences for murder were white, 48% were black and 17% were Hispanic.48 The proportions of exonerations in murder cases are very similar: 34% whites, 50% Blacks and 15% Hispanics.
***For rape, however, the story is different. A majority of rape prisoners in 2002 were white, 58% ; only 29% were black; and 13% were Hispanic.49 But for rape exonerations the proportions are reversed: almost two thirds of the defendants are black, 65%; only 27% are white; and 8% are Hispanic. See Table 5.
Why are blacks so greatly over-represented among those defendants who were falsely convicted of rape and then exonerated, mostly by DNA? The key is probably the race of the victims. We know the race of the victim for 75% of the 69 rape exonerations with black defendants, and in 75% of those cases the victim was white. (We see a similar pattern, on a smaller scale for Hispanic exonerees: we know the race of the victim for 7 of the 8 who were falsely convicted of rape, and in 4 of those cases the victim was white.) Most women who are raped are victimized by members of their own racial or ethnic groups. Inter-racial rape is uncommon, and rapes of white women by black men in particular account for well under 10% of all rapes.50 But among rape exonerations for which we know the race of both parties, almost exactly half (39/79) involve a black man who was falsely convicted of raping a white woman.****[emphasis mine]"
Chew on those stats and get back to me, Laz. I think you'll find the math in order.
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You sayin white wimmen lie?
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apparently so
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Racist.
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is tweety a "thug life " guy?
lololol..
btw NAACP is a pile of dung now...far from what they started to be
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Originally posted by Fatty
Racist.
Not racist Fatty, sexist.
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Black and White still a big issue over ther huh ??
What about those fundamentalistic extremistic terror organisation called the KKK is it still allowed.
Only with the liberals,
and yes Sen. Robert Byrd Democrat W va. is still in the senate and a former KKK member, he's fine thanks for asking.
How many black's in the Clinton admin, o ya NONE, how many on Kerrys campaign team o ya NONE.
DR. RICE was professor at Stanford at 27 and the youngest provost in US history at 32. Served with BUSH I and is now 4th in line of assation to the presidency and the left can't handle the fact that it was the republicans that put her there.
lib's are cool with blacks as long as they know their place, and thats at the voting booths not in their offices.
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>>How many black's in the Clinton admin, o ya NONE, how many on Kerrys campaign team o ya NONE.
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And some wonder why those outside of America have the perception we are dumb and arrogant
Ron Brown - Secretary of commerce
Mike Espy- Secretary of Agriculture
Jesse Brown- Secretary of Veteran's affairs
Hazel O'Leary - Secretary of Energy
All african-american, Jba. You musta been reading something more important (Doom cracks and codes?) and missed those appointments.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
>>How many black's in the Clinton admin, o ya NONE, how many on Kerrys campaign team o ya NONE.
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And some wonder why those outside of America have the perception we are dumb and arrogant
Ron Brown - Secretary of commerce
Mike Espy- Secretary of Agriculture
Jesse Brown- Secretary of Veteran's affairs
Hazel O'Leary - Secretary of Energy
All african-american, Jba. You musta been reading something more important (Doom cracks and codes?) and missed those appointments.
Well don't use those idiots as examples..they all got fired, except for ron brown..and I believe you have the sec. of veteran affairs wrong...I can't think of it right now but I will....
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MILWAUKEE - A radio talk show host drew
saying she isn't competent to be secretary of state.
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Dr. Condoleezza Rice became the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, commonly referred to as the National Security Advisor, on January 22, 2001.
In June 1999, she completed a six year tenure as Stanford University 's Provost, during which she was the institution's chief budget and academic officer. As Provost she was responsible for a $1.5 billion annual budget and the academic program involving 1,400 faculty members and 14,000 students.
As professor of political science, Dr. Rice has been on the Stanford faculty since 1981 and has won two of the highest teaching honors -- the 1984 Walter J. Gores Award for Excellence in Teaching and the 1993 School of Humanities and Sciences Dean's Award for Distinguished Teaching.
At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions.
From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military.
She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula . In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco.
Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded honorary doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, the University of Notre Dame in 1995, the National Defense University in 2002, the Mississippi College School of Law in 2003, the University of Louisville and Michigan State University in 2004. She resides in Washington, D.C.
July 2004
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>>Well don't use those idiots as examples..they all got fired, except for ron brown..and I believe you have the sec. of veteran affairs wrong...I can't think of it right now but I will....<<
They weren't examples, they were to establish a FACT.
And please DO estabish me wrong on secretary of veteran's affairs. PLEASE quote some source.
Otherwise- what are you doing?
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OFFICE NAME TERM
President Bill Clinton 19932001
Vice President Al Gore 19932001
State
Warren M. Christopher 19931997
Madeleine K. Albright 19972001
Treasury
Lloyd Bentsen 19931994
Robert E. Rubin 19951999
Lawrence H. Summers 19992001
Defense
Les Aspin 19931994
William J. Perry 19941997
William S. Cohen 19972001
Justice
Janet Reno 19932001
Interior
Bruce Babbitt 19932001
Agriculture
Mike Espy 19931994
Daniel R. Glickman 19942001
Commerce
Ronald H. Brown 19931996
Mickey Kantor 19961997
William M. Daley 19972000
Norman Y. Mineta 20002001
Labor
Robert B. Reich 19931997
Alexis M. Herman 19972001
HHS
Donna E. Shalala 19932001
Education
Richard Riley 19932001
HUD
Henry G. Cisneros 19931997
Andrew Cuomo 19972001
Transportation
Federico F. Peρa 19931997
Rodney E. Slater 19972001
Energy
Hazel O'Leary 19931997
Federico F. Peρa 19971998
Bill Richardson 19982001
Veterans Affairs
Jesse Brown 19931997
And the press makes a big deal over the changing admin. of Bush, every president dose it.
And for my earlier comments about the lack of blacks represented in the Clinton admin, I should have clarified at what level were they placed?
Bush has put a Woman whom happens to be black 4th in line to the presidency.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
>>Well don't use those idiots as examples..they all got fired, except for ron brown..and I believe you have the sec. of veteran affairs wrong...I can't think of it right now but I will....<<
They weren't examples, they were to establish a FACT.
And please DO estabish me wrong on secretary of veteran's affairs. PLEASE quote some source.
Otherwise- what are you doing?
Vernon Jordan..Secr. of Vets affairs.....
attempting to figure out what your point is....obviously NONE....your just sitting there running your mouth trying to pump up all of these criminals that clinton appointed because he was catering to the NAACP
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Originally posted by CAVY
Vernon Jordan..Secr. of Vets affairs.....
attempting to figure out what your point is....obviously NONE....your just sitting there running your mouth trying to pump up all of these criminals that clinton appointed because he was catering to the NAACP
I stand corrected on Vernon Jordon he was not secretary of Vets Affairs....However another one of Clintons cronies who he made an bellybutton of during his Lewinski matters...another one who couldn't recall
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tweety... now you are talking only about rape. and... you are talking about rape only as it concerns the identifiication of black rapists by white female victims.
This is by no means anything like what you said earlier... this is a very small thing compared to overall crime and even overall types of crime.
So... are the white women lying in every case or is it mistaken identitity? probly some of both. I would say that in the case of lying they probly lie about white and black equally... they simply pick a convienient victim... mistaken identity? I would say that it wouold overwhelmingly be white women being mistaken about black attackers more than white.
People tend to recognize and catalogue the features of their own race better than that of other races. "they all look alike to me" is a common expression amoung all races.
now... in the case of a woman who can't distinguish racial features well.... she simply knows the attacker was negroid with the negroid features she catalouged. She may have gotten the wrong black but I doubt that she got the wrong race.
I would also like to see the record of those poor unfortunate blacks who were wrongly convicted.... bet they had records.
lazs