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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunslinger on November 20, 2004, 07:39:58 PM
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I thaught it would be a good discussion how hypocrisy and Irony tend to go hand in hand.
Example people complained about that stupid monday night football intro involving a woman from the tv show "desperate housewives" What were people so worried about that it would distract from two girls wrestling over a miller light?
I could probably think of 100s of examples but really don't feel like it but I find it interesting how these two seem to go and in hand.
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Well there are always the two huge ones.
Pro choice people thinking it is the right of the women to chose to murder her baby..(I am pro choice, dont start with me,) but being agaist the death penalty.
And then the pro life people being agaist the right of a women to chose, yet all for the right for the government to kill people.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Well there are always the two huge ones.
Pro choice people thinking it is the right of the women to chose to murder her baby..(I am pro choice, dont start with me,) but being agaist the death penalty.
And then the pro life people being agaist the right of a women to chose, yet all for the right for the government to kill people.
Yet another perfect example
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Well, there's killing, and then there is Killing. An unborn, at the very minimum, is innocent, but the deathrow criminal is not (Assuming that justice were perfect, which it is not).
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Liz
I know it can be agued, but it is a tad funny and fits whats Guns is saying.
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Originally posted by Lizking
Well, there's killing, and then there is Killing. An unborn, at the very minimum, is innocent, but the deathrow criminal is not (Assuming that justice were perfect, which it is not).
The thread isn't about arguing the content of the matter more the contradiction. I fall into a different catagory than GTA but I don't intend to argue with him about it.
EDIT:
Yet another example would be that:
While both being comedians and both saying the same thing about different cultures....Larry the Cable guy is considered a racist redneck and dave chappell is a comic genious.
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Black comedian complaining aobut racism. Then going on Def comedy jam and picking out the sole white person in the audiance and spending 1/2 hour mocking him for being white.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Well there are always the two huge ones.
Pro choice people thinking it is the right of the women to chose to murder her baby..(I am pro choice, dont start with me,) but being agaist the death penalty.
And then the pro life people being agaist the right of a women to chose, yet all for the right for the government to kill people.
heh Im pro womans choice
and pro death penalty
Least Im consistant :D
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free speech advocates advocating political correctness rules.
lazs
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Well there are always the two huge ones.
Pro choice people thinking it is the right of the women to chose to murder her baby..(I am pro choice, dont start with me,) but being against the death penalty.
And then the pro life people being agaist the right of a women to chose, yet all for the right for the government to kill people.
I have heard an argument that it is not hypocritical if one is against the taking of innocent life.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I have heard an argument that it is not hypocritical if one is against the taking of innocent life.
But don't you see. That's how it is totally applicable. (I DONT WANT TO ARGUE THE PRO/CON JUST THE APPLICABILITY TO THE CURRENT TOPIC)
Someone who's pro-choice but anti deathpenalty is a contradiction in term thus hypocrixy and Irony.
Laz makes a good one. Not to pick on the left because I'm sure there's many on the right but.
"peace" protesters that spit on and push/shove all those who may protest them.....not very peacfull. It allways cracks me up when I hear "SHUT UP YOU RIGHT WING FASCISTS ALL YOU DO IS SPREAD HATE".
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I've found that reading reports of black "conservative" church leaders who condemn homosexuality on the basis of "it says in the Bible it was wrong" make me snicker.
I'm paraphrasing, but the last quote I read on it was something like "How dare these people try to take something that God has clearly said is wrong, and try to put it on the books of this country as being right?"
Slavery, anybody?
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Originally posted by Urchin
I've found that reading reports of black "conservative" church leaders who condemn homosexuality on the basis of "it says in the Bible it was wrong" make me snicker.
I'm paraphrasing, but the last quote I read on it was something like "How dare these people try to take something that God has clearly said is wrong, and try to put it on the books of this country as being right?"
Slavery, anybody?
I'm not sure I find your comparison? I don't recall in the bible God or Jesus for that matter condeming slavery. I could be wrong though. If they'd condone slavery of other races as black people to me that would fit perfectly.
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Re: innocent
Originally posted by Gunslinger
But don't you see. That's how it is totally applicable.
Someone who's pro-choice but anti deathpenalty is a contradiction in term thus hypocrixy and Irony.
I was responding to the second half of GtoRA2's argument,
And then the pro life people being agaist the right of a women to chose, yet all for the right for the government to kill people.
If "innocent" is added to the mix, hypocrisy is not necessarily present on the pro-life side.
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No... the Bible said slavery was right, and it is "in the books" of our country as wrong. That is what I meant.
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough... but since this thread was about hypocrisy I didn't think I'd have to spell it out.
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Originally posted by Urchin
No... the Bible said slavery was right, and it is "in the books" of our country as wrong. That is what I meant.
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough... but since this thread was about hypocrisy I didn't think I'd have to spell it out.
Leviticus 25
38 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, to give you the land of Canaan and to be your God.
39 'And if one of your brethren who dwells by you becomes poor, and sells himself to you, you shall not compel him to serve as a slave.
40 As a hired servant and a sojourner he shall be with you, and shall serve you until the Year of Jubilee.
41 And then he shall depart from you--he and his children with him--and shall return to his own family. He shall return to the possession of his fathers.
It appears the bible also prohibits slavery in this passage.
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I'm definately no Bible Scholar, but it would appear to me that that passage is applicable only to the tribe of the Isrealites. Do I have that right? The people (tribe) who the old prophets belonged to. They were known as the Isrealites, right?
Anyway... that is the way I interpreted it. "If one of your brethren, etc.". Not "If some random Joe".
But, like I said, I'm no expert.
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As Christianity is a new testament offshoot of Judaism, your question would be the case then for the entire old testament wouldn't it?
My scholarship comes from listening to friends and Google. As an agnostic, I have frequent discussions with folks here at work, several of whom are born-again types. They are not blathering idiots; their faith seems to support them.
I see some who seem to be preaching tolerance of others political or moral beliefs until it comes to Christianity.
If one is truly tolerant one could say "I disagree with your religious belief, but will defend to the death your right to believe it."
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Originally posted by Urchin
No... the Bible said slavery was right, and it is "in the books" of our country as wrong. That is what I meant.
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough... but since this thread was about hypocrisy I didn't think I'd have to spell it out.
by "in the books" you are referring to history? If so I don't find the relevence. Why preach out against history?
I see some who seem to be preaching tolerance of others political or moral beliefs until it comes to Christianity.
In addition I don't see what you find intolerant of Christianity. Is it wrong to be against Homosexuality? If somone was forcing me to accept homosexuality as a way of life, wouldn't that be "intolerent" of my beleifes.
In addition, christ does not teach us to hate gays. Those that preach hatered against gays are not true christions. Just my thoughts.
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americans who want to send the immigrants home...
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Anyway... that is the way I interpreted it. "If one of your brethren, etc.". Not "If some random Joe". "
your forgetting something, im sure somewhere in the bible it says everyone is your brethren...
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
In addition I don't see what you find intolerant of Christianity.
You took what I said wrong. I was referring to those who are intolerant of the Christian belief.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
You took what I said wrong. I was referring to those who are intolerant of the Christian belief.
sorry what you say makes sense now :D
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This is a repost, but a pic is so much better than a long explanation...
(http://boortz.com/images/092304_worried_smoker.jpg)
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Lol, with cigarette in hand. That is amusing.
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Originally posted by deSelys
This is a repost, but a pic is so much better than a long explanation...
(http://boortz.com/images/092304_worried_smoker.jpg)
:rofl That's perfect. That goes right along with Rob Riener complaining about second hand smoke at a resturaunt while he scarfs down 3000 calories of fried food and asks for desert.
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I got 1!!!
Rent payers and BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS - The Eternal Diocotomy
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rent payers should not be allowed to vote on property matters like property tax say.
I am allways warry of people who preach tolerance because I have found them to be amoung the least tollerant people I ever run into.
lazs
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Hey!! We don't take kindly to folks that don't take kindly around here!
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Hey!! We don't take kindly to folks that don't take kindly around here!
I didn't take kindly to that!:D