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source (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6542890/site/newsweek/)
The Hot Sound of Hate
A fast-growing CD outfit hawks white power at school
By Sarah Childress and Dirk Johnson
Newsweek
Nov. 29 issue - In a cramped upstairs den in South St. Paul, Minn., a CD blares with fury. "Hang the traitors of our race," the singer screams, "White supremacy! White supremacy! Whiiiite supremacy!" Byron Calvert, 33, leans back in his chair, smiling and snacking on veggies. Calvert is a mountainous man with a swastika tattoo, a prison record and a racist dream. He runs Panzerfaust Records, a five-year-old company that has quickly become one of the top "white power" record labels in the country. Hundreds of bands in America and Europe produce such hate music. If Calvert has his way, their fans will soon be multiplying. In September he launched Project Schoolyard, a plan to snag kids 13 to 19 by distributing 100,000 free CDs of such bands as Day of the Sword, H8 Machine and Final War. Calvert cares less about the melody than the message. "We hook 'em with the music," he says, and then kids learn—and buy—more online. As his Web site declares, "We don't just entertain racist kids, we create them!"
Though Calvert's reluctant to give numbers, watchdog groups estimate that Panzerfaust pulls in about $1 million a year. Calvert says America is full of p---ed-off white kids sick of having multiculturalism stuffed down their throats, and resentful of gangsta rappers who rip on white boys like them. "You can be black and racist and have an illustrious career. If you're white and racist, you might end up going to jail."
Experts say most kids who heed the music's message feel alienated from mainstream culture, unsure about their future or place in society. White-power rock groups seize on their insecurities, and make them feel that they're worthy—indeed, superior—simply because their skin is white.
As screwed up as this guy is, he has a point. Rappers degrade caucasians and women, yet they are considered "artists" not hate mongers.
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Which rap song degrades caucasians? Which artist?
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"Rappers degrade caucasians"
I never could listen to rap. It seems you do though. Mind posting some "artist's" you listen to that do that?
Oh well, anything to make a living I guess.
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Thats disgusting...
Can I use my right of speech to kill him?
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Panzerfaust is actually owned by a Hispanic named Anthony Pierpont. His has a criminal reocrd that includes selling drugs. His sister works for Porn Star Clothing.
Bryant Calvert's real name is Bryant Cecchini. He has a long criminal record that includes a 1989 felony conviction for stabbing two people. He went to prison for 43 months in that case. He worked for Resistance Records (another racist record label) and was fired. When he left he stole the Resistance Records mailing list and was hired to run Panzerfaust by Pierpont.
Here's a link to Panzerfaust (http://www.panzerfaust.com/)
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These guys should be under TERRORIST watch list. Your gov should think beyond how many sheep or cows they have
They may be no threat to your country right now but would have effects/undermine the lives of minorities inside US. And would end the country as we know it.. The UNTED STATES OF AMERICA.
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These folks are under constant surveillance but these folks are just opportunists trying squeeze a few dollars out of confused kids. While they may feed poison to children that is about as far as they go.
The ones that are a real threat in terms of terrorism and violence aren't the ones selling this stuff.
They follow the principles of the 'Leaderless Resistance' as articulated by Louis Beam.
Search the internet for Robert J. Mathews and you will see how far some of the real bad guys are willing to go.
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Originally posted by tikky
These guys should be under TERRORIST watch list. Your gov should think beyond how many sheep or cows they have
They may be no threat to your country right now but would have effects/undermine the lives of minorities inside US. And would end the country as we know it.. The UNTED STATES OF AMERICA.
Not that I agree with their message but are they not entitled cosntitutional rights of freedom of speech? Muslims are aloud their hate speech of "infidels" and jews. Blacks are aloud their hate speech against "the man", and as we all know (airhead) that's code word for white people.
Like I said, it's not that I aprove their message but don't they have a constitutional right to freedom of expression?
Calvert says America is full of p---ed-off white kids sick of having multiculturalism stuffed down their throats, and resentful of gangsta rappers who rip on white boys like them. "You can be black and racist and have an illustrious career. If you're white and racist, you might end up going to jail."
There's not much in that paragraph that I disagree with. I honestly don't think these guys feed any less poison to their audience than rappers do.
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Originally posted by RightF00T
Which rap song degrades caucasians? Which artist?
Snoop Dog
Ludacris
.50 cent
Ice Cube
Jay Z
Ja Rule
2pac
just to name a few.
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Racism is a juggling act, just when you think you have a rhythm, a ball drops, and nothing is as black and white as it was before.
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Rappers do not degrade whitemen. They degrade the powers that be. When they speak of white america they are speaking to those that are in power, conservatives and the people who still think we should be picking cotton. Emenim is at this point in time targeting these people the most. By the way he is the top selling rapper out there. Do you know that the majority of people who buy rap music are white kids in the suburbs?
But let me get this straight, rap music affects the black community because black kids will want to be like these rappers. But white kids who listen to Panzerfaust wont try to follow them?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Snoop Dog
Ludacris
.50 cent
Ice Cube
Jay Z
Ja Rule
2pac
just to name a few.
Any lyric you'd care to share?
(I just think this is funny having Guns share his gangsta side with us :D )
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Originally posted by jamusta
Rappers do not degrade whitemen. They degrade the powers that be. When they speak of white america they are speaking to those that are in power, conservatives and the people who still think we should be picking cotton. Emenim is at this point in time targeting these people the most. By the way he is the top selling rapper out there. Do you know that the majority of people who buy rap music are white kids in the suburbs?
so when a rapper degrade whites we should just know that they aren't racists and mean those in power or those who are racists.
but when a white guy says that blacks have ruined the neighborhood he grew up in, he's still a racist right?
even if he means the thugs, the pushers, and the gang-bangers, and doesn't mean to include the hardworking, black families, who contribute to the community, pay their bills and raise their kids to respect others, in his generalization.
I'm really starting to get the hang of this double standard thing.
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Originally posted by jamusta
Rappers do not degrade whitemen. They degrade the powers that be. When they speak of white america they are speaking to those that are in power, conservatives and the people who still think we should be picking cotton. Emenim is at this point in time targeting these people the most. By the way he is the top selling rapper out there. Do you know that the majority of people who buy rap music are white kids in the suburbs?
But let me get this straight, rap music affects the black community because black kids will want to be like these rappers. But white kids who listen to Panzerfaust wont try to follow them?
I never said this music wasn't dangerous, offensive, rascist, or that kids would fall in line with it's message. I don't even think that it is on the same level as some rap music. so please don't put words in my mouth...err...keyboard that I didn't say.
Do you not think that these guys, however, offensive have the rights of freedom of expression and speech? If not were do you draw the line to say what is exceptable and what is not? Then I pose to you would it not be descrimination to bann this music as hate speach when other music (some rap specifically) degrades woman and poisens the minds of youths?
What I do disagree with is that a black man can say and do the same things and he's an "entertainer". My whole point is that due to "white guilt" there is a double standard in this country.
If people want to speak out against the "powers that be" for wanting black's to go back to "picking cotten" or whatever it is offensive to me that they referr to the "powers that be" as whitey.
Now don't get me wrong, as much as I hate most rap music (not all mind you) I beleive the same protections and rights should be aforded to rappers as I do these scumbags mentioned in this article. It just strikes me as discrimination and smells of racism when somone wants to bann one and not the other. Isn't the fight against racism about ending ALL racism and discrimination....not just for blacks?
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Yah seriously, besides those being the names of rappers everybody knows of can you remember any lyrics that specifically were filled with racism. Not saying there arent any, but I know my fair share of rap and I cant think of any specific lyrics?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I never said this music wasn't dangerous, offensive, rascist, or that kids would fall in line with it's message. I don't even think that it is on the same level as some rap music. so please don't put words in my mouth...err...keyboard that I didn't say.
Do you not think that these guys, however, offensive have the rights of freedom of expression and speech? If not were do you draw the line to say what is exceptable and what is not? Then I pose to you would it not be descrimination to bann this music as hate speach when other music (some rap specifically) degrades woman and poisens the minds of youths?
What I do disagree with is that a black man can say and do the same things and he's an "entertainer". My whole point is that due to "white guilt" there is a double standard in this country.
If people want to speak out against the "powers that be" for wanting black's to go back to "picking cotten" or whatever it is offensive to me that they referr to the "powers that be" as whitey.
Now don't get me wrong, as much as I hate most rap music (not all mind you) I beleive the same protections and rights should be aforded to rappers as I do these scumbags mentioned in this article. It just strikes me as discrimination and smells of racism when somone wants to bann one and not the other. Isn't the fight against racism about ending ALL racism and discrimination....not just for blacks?
very well said. I agree just about everything except the last line. the thing is that it isn't about fairness or ending all racial discrimination, but it should be.
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Originally posted by hawker238
Any lyric you'd care to share?
(I just think this is funny having Guns share his gangsta side with us :D )
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Last edited by Skuzzy on 11-22-2004 at 04:04 pm
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Damn that was QUICK!
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Originally posted by jamusta
Rappers do not degrade whitemen.
Vanilla Ice did.
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LOL Holden
Alright I found a song "White Boyz" by Snoop Dogg. It is pretty sketch in regards to degrading remarks against Whites.
I'm a pretty big fan of most rap but Snoop Dogg always has me wondering what would he rap about if profanity and the N-word didnt exist...good god.
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Don't get me wrong I'm not one of those guys out there thumping a bible saying all rap is bad.....but I have to admit alot of it is.
Dear Momma from 2pac is one of my favorite songs of all time. and I find Eminem annoying and entertaining at the same time. I just hate the double standard.
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Originally posted by rpm
source (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6542890/site/newsweek/)
As screwed up as this guy is, he has a point. Rappers degrade caucasians and women, yet they are considered "artists" not hate mongers.
rap is crap
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Originally posted by jamusta
When they speak of white america they are speaking to those that are in power, conservatives and the people who still think we should be picking cotton.
LOL, so when black musicans create racist lyrics about white people it's just metaphor. But when white musicians create racist lyrics about blaock people it's truely racism.
Heheh, that explanation sounds pretty racist to me. And geez look at that, you made a sweeping generalisation of all black musicians. :rolleyes:
I wonder what this actually means, "it's open season on crackers, you know; the morgue will be full of Caucasian John Doe's.".
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Originally posted by jamusta
Rappers do not degrade whitemen. They degrade the powers that be. When they speak of white america they are speaking to those that are in power, conservatives....
Then they need to STFU and say so appropriately, or be branded the sterotypical racists their language would have normal english speaking people understand. The burden of proof is on them.. not the listener, and "they" are failing miserably.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
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Last edited by Skuzzy on 11-22-2004 at 04:04 pm
Dang, I'm good. I edited that one before you posted it!
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Something tells me Midnight Targut is just having a tizzy fit reading this thread, for self-banning himself in honor of losing the election.
:rofl
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Something tells me Midnight Targut is just having a tizzy fit reading this thread, for self-banning himself in honor of losing the election.
:rofl
It's a "hissy fit" :)
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Originally posted by hawker238
Any lyric you'd care to share?
(I just think this is funny having Guns share his gangsta side with us :D )
"Drug dealer buy Jordans, crackhead buy crack
And a white man get paid off of all of that"
-Kanye West, All Falls Down, College Dropout Album
Personally, I have yet to get my "white conspiracy" check. I'll keep checking my mailbox though and doing my best to keep up the oppression! :rolleyes:
I found it kinda ironic, with that lyric stuck in my head, that Kanye West was on stage recently with Jamie Foxx, who is openly racist. It'll forever be a double-standard because of "White Man's Guilt". Don't forget everybody, it's okay to want Black Power, and okay to sing songs with the lyric "Latinos Forever"... but if you make a song "White People Forever" you should burn in hell you racist scumbag. :aok:
man... people are funny to me.
oh, and I listen to *alot* of rap. Eminem entertained me until he started making political commentary tracks, but I still enjoy his previous albums :)
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Originally posted by Mark Luper
It's a "hissy fit" :)
For you Southern boys, it is. ;)
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Dang, I'm good. I edited that one before you posted it!
Dang I forgot that my system clock keeps skipping ahead over an hour every time I reboot. I'm just too lazy to trouble shoot it. ;)
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
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Last edited by Skuzzy on 11-22-2004 at 04:04 pm
:rofl :p
I'm just kidding Guns, unless you really do have something to share.
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Originally posted by hawker238
:rofl :p
I'm just kidding Guns, unless you really do have something to share.
it's more like time to waist. No offense to you guys but looking through rap lyrics to prove a point to you guys that I think I made pretty eloquently, and not to mention fairly, is....how do I say this....a waist of time? ;)
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I'll bet the first post had lyrics. :o
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Originally posted by indy007
"Drug dealer buy Jordans, crackhead buy crack
And a white man get paid off of all of that"
-Kanye West, All Falls Down, College Dropout Album
Personally, I have yet to get my "white conspiracy" check. I'll keep checking my mailbox though and doing my best to keep up the oppression! :rolleyes:
I found it kinda ironic, with that lyric stuck in my head, that Kanye West was on stage recently with Jamie Foxx, who is openly racist. It'll forever be a double-standard because of "White Man's Guilt". Don't forget everybody, it's okay to want Black Power, and okay to sing songs with the lyric "Latinos Forever"... but if you make a song "White People Forever" you should burn in hell you racist scumbag. :aok:
man... people are funny to me.
oh, and I listen to *alot* of rap. Eminem entertained me until he started making political commentary tracks, but I still enjoy his previous albums :)
Nike is owned by a white man.
If you think that the drugdealer on the corner has enough money and power to have ties with columbians to bring drugs into this country you are misimformed.
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Originally posted by jamusta
Nike is owned by a white man.
If you think that the drugdealer on the corner has enough money and power to have ties with columbians to bring drugs into this country you are misimformed.
First isn't Nike a corporation owned by share holders?
Second do you think the guy who you say 'owns' Nike imports cocaine? Then sells it to the ‘brotha’s'? Or do you think the CIA does?
Isn’t it more plausible that the Columbian drug lord has enough money and connections of his own to export drugs and get them into this country (as if our borders are secured) with out the corporate white conspiracy?
Expanding on the above, do you think the CIA invented crack to keep the 'black man' down? How about AIDS? Do you think AIDS is a white mans invention to curb the population growth of blacks and browns?
You can blame the 'white devils' all you want for ‘bringing’ it in or for 'inventing’ it but what you can't do is blame the 'white devils' for the behavior of those in the 'hood'. This behavior it’s not even localized to those decedents of slaves living in the ghettos in this country. It's world wide...
Rap for the most part isn’t political or filled with white hatred as it is degrading to women and humanity in general. Unless the ‘hip hop’ environment is really filled with ‘*****s’, ‘*****es’ and ‘hoes’.
Most of ‘rap music’ is just nursery rhymes with cuss words and a beat ripped from someone else’s music.
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Rap music or white racist music. One doesn't excuse the other two wrongs never ever make a right!
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lol skuzzy!
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Wotan you are rambling on and on.
I bet the majority share holder in Nike is white.
Who the hell said anything about the CIA...
Where did AIDS and white devil come from?
Simply put, one must have great connections to buy weight.
I can bet his name isnt Tyrone from South Central Los Angeles.
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Originally posted by jamusta
Simply put, one must have great connections to buy weight.
I can bet his name isnt Tyrone from South Central Los Angeles.
There you go, promoting stereotypes..............
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Originally posted by jamusta
Wotan you are rambling on and on.
I bet the majority share holder in Nike is white.
Who the hell said anything about the CIA...
Where did AIDS and white devil come from?
Simply put, one must have great connections to buy weight.
I can bet his name isnt Tyrone from South Central Los Angeles.
Racist.
-SW
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Gunn...err... your forgot Eminem, he's got a song called "White America", lyrics are quite dodgy... oh, and he's white :p
I have nothing against rap music, as a matter of fact, I listen to Cypress hill often, does that make me a racist too? :confused:
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All French are racist.
-SW
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Good, I have nothing to do with those :p
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well... I never listened to rap but the lyrics here sound pretty racist to me... Jamusta says that they are not because they only are against the qualities of the white man and only certain tyupes of white men.
so if you were only against the qualities of blacks or certain types pf blacks you could say ****** and and it would only be a "symbol" of those "bad" blacks and no one should get upset? You could call for their death?
this is a predictable and healthy backlash. Whites not fighting back is unhealthy. You can't have a healthy polite society if you place racial restrictions on free speech.
I still don't understand the degradation of women being so casually looked past here by the so called "progressives" on this board tho.
lazs
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So me say that the lyrics pertain to a certain group whitemen is racist but the phrases used in this post and others by many on this board isnt?
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"I still don't understand the degradation of women being so casually looked past here by the so called "progressives" on this board tho."
You cannot be talking about me.
I'm the one who likened your attitude towards women to the Taliban, remember?
It is heart-warming though to see your concern regarding women's degradation. Maybe there is some hope.
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curval... I have allways treated women with the utmost civility.
lazs
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Originally posted by jamusta
Wotan you are rambling on and on.
I bet the majority share holder in Nike is white.
Who the hell said anything about the CIA...
Where did AIDS and white devil come from?
Simply put, one must have great connections to buy weight.
I can bet his name isnt Tyrone from South Central Los Angeles.
You are making all kind of BS rationalizations and implying some sort of 'white corporate conspiracy' to import drugs.
I am just trying understand what kind of kook you really are. Lotsa your kindred make claims about the origins of crack and AIDS in the same way you are implying that 'white corporations' must be responsible for putting drugs into their neighborhoods.
You said
Nike is owned by a white man.
If you think that the drugdealer on the corner has enough money and power to have ties with columbians to bring drugs into this country you are misimformed.
I asked you a specific question. Do you think the 'white guy' or 'guys' who own 'Nike' import drugs?
You are the one rambling on about white corporate conspiracies...
Back on topic, about white racist music;
Today's ‘white racist’ music originated in Britain under the guise of ‘Rock Against Communism’ (RAC) in the late ‘70s.
Example:
THE RED THREAT
This is a warning, against a red day a'dawning
With communists trying, to get into our head
Take over the Media, with Marx they force feed ya
Come on all you Whites, fight the threat that is Red
Come on all you Whites, fight the threat that is Red
They encourage such mixing, to us it is sickening
And they say, for the Third World, we must provide bread
Just for one occasion, let's think of our own nations
Come on all you Whites, fight the threat that is Red
Come on all you Whites, fight the threat that is Red
instrumental break
Come on all you Whites, fight the threat that is Red
Come on all you Whites, fight the threat that is Red
We'll fight in the cities, we'll fight in the country
And we'll fight, the Red peril, our pride we'll not shed
For the strength of White nations, will be our salvation
Come on all you Whites, fight the threat that is Red
Come on all you Whites, fight the threat that is Red
Come on all you Whites, fight the threat that is Red
Come on all you Whites, fight the threat that is Red
and
THE LAND IS OURS
I feel a peace as I walk the leafy lanes
Look out over them hills, boy it looks like rain
See the distant mountains, with the storm clouds high above
This is my land, my country, the place I love
(chorus)
We ain't gonna like it if they take our land away
Looks like history repeating itself again
We ain't gonna like it if they take our land away
If they steal our heritage, somebody's gonna pay
My father worked this land as his father did before
And they'd turn in their graves, if they knew what was in store
Someone came from some big city, and tried to buy our farm
Threw our life's work out to rot, they've done a lot of harm
(chorus)
instrumental break
(chorus)
The pride in our community, the media'd love to kill
They hate to see our unity, intact against their will
Tried to take our livelihood, tried to take our guns
If we left 'em take our pride, then surely they have won
(chorus) x2
From there it spread through out Europe and to North America. Eventually is spread through out the ‘white world’. From Russia to Australia and even in South America there are ‘white racist’ bands. Skrewdriver was one of the most influential bands.
Since most other countries have laws against 'hate speech' the lyrics were rather tame in comparison to the stuff that was put out in the US. We don't have such laws. In the mid '80s a number of American Racist music companies started up. Resistance and Panzerfaust being the 2 largest.
What these companies do know is make compilation CDs of various white racist bands and will ship them free to kids so they can pass them out for free to their friends and classmates in the hopes that they hook them with the music. In the beginning they hoped these kids would develop into die hard racists now they just look at them more as customers.
The lyrics grew progressively more violent and racist.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
For you Southern boys, it is. ;)
Rip, up north it's hissy too.........geez, get with the program man!
;)
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Actually, up north it's a 'sissy fit'.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Actually, up north it's a 'sissy fit'.
-SW
That far north? Yup, then it's sissy fit.
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READING IS FUNDAMENTAL WOTAN...
Who the hell said nike imports drugs? I said they make jordans... Who said it was a white conspiracy theory? DAMN stop putting words in my mouth.
So let me slowly break down what that rapper is saying thru his words.
Drug dealers buy Jordans.....stop, let me explain.....
He is saying this because of the "bling bling" factor. Jordans are one of the most expensive tennis shoes you can buy. SO to show that they are what we blacks call "ballers" they tend to purchase expensive things....
Crackheads buy crack... stop, I hope you arent that slow....
And the whiteman gets paid off of all of that...stop, let me explain... Since he and I believe that the majority shareholders in Nike are white, who profits the most from sales of Jordans? Nothing is wrong with that by the way. And since he and I believe that the middleman between those who import drugs and those who sale the drugs is some well to do white guys in the suburbs he is saying that on the streets they profit the most from drugs.
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the guy is despicable in more ways than i can count.
but he does have a point in this:
"You can be black and racist and have an illustrious career. If you're white and racist, you might end up going to jail."
chris rock himself has said stuff around these lines. the irony of it!
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i find it difficult to beleive someone would sell anti white **** to middle class white kids, with other non "racist" songs on the same CD and actually be serious...about as likely to promote racism as selling a white power CD to a black kid.
as soon as the black rappers start selling black power CD's to black kids, then ill have a problem.
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We either protect racism under free speech or we don't... It's just that simple. It doesn't matter what color you are... either everyone get's a pass or no one does.
this is really an uncomfortable subject for the "progressives" they have a very difficult time justifying racism and debasement of women by minorities.
I personally don't have any trouble with racial slurs or degrading remarks being protected under free speech... I also believe that if you say them to the wrong people or in front of the wrong people and get smacked a good one then you had a part in your beating.
lazs
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Originally posted by jamusta
READING IS FUNDAMENTAL WOTAN...
Who the hell said nike imports drugs? I said they make jordans... Who said it was a white conspiracy theory? DAMN stop putting words in my mouth.
So let me slowly break down what that rapper is saying thru his words.
Drug dealers buy Jordans.....stop, let me explain.....
He is saying this because of the "bling bling" factor. Jordans are one of the most expensive tennis shoes you can buy. SO to show that they are what we blacks call "ballers" they tend to purchase expensive things....
Crackheads buy crack... stop, I hope you arent that slow....
And the whiteman gets paid off of all of that...stop, let me explain... Since he and I believe that the majority shareholders in Nike are white, who profits the most from sales of Jordans? Nothing is wrong with that by the way. And since he and I believe that the middleman between those who import drugs and those who sale the drugs is some well to do white guys in the suburbs he is saying that on the streets they profit the most from drugs.
I read fine, but let me review it for you:
You mentioned Nike:
Nike is owned by a white man.
So we can infer that you believe a 'white man' makes money from drug sales just like the Kanye West song indy007 posted.
Then you immediatly went into:
If you think that the drugdealer on the corner has enough money and power to have ties with columbians to bring drugs into this country you are misimformed.
Obviously you can't remember what it is you wrote even after I quoted it several times. However, that quote has nothing to do with the drug dealer making money off crack heads and spending it on 'Jordan's'.
So I asked the question:
Do you think the 'white guy' or 'guys' who own 'Nike' import drugs?
Clearly you believe its beyond the capability of the drug dealer to get large sums of drugs on his own.
Drug dealers and Drug King pins make money off demand not anthing else. They don't need government or corporate or a rich white guys help to get drugs into the country and distribute them. Of course there are plenty of 'white guys' along the chain and that deal directly but thats not what we are talking about.
I will quote it again for you:
If you think that the drugdealer on the corner has enough money and power to have ties with columbians to bring drugs into this country you are misimformed.
You claimed some of us are mis-informed. I asked you to 'inform' me...
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Oops asked and answered
since he and I believe that the middleman between those who import drugs and those who sale the drugs is some well to do white guys in the suburbs he is saying that on the streets they profit the most from drugs.
Well to do white guys in the suburbs making money off the black man's vices...
Gotcha...
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Where in anything I said is there anything abouy a corporate conspiracy? You will never understand what I am saying to you wotan.... So forget it and keep watching T.V. since that is where you learned this white conspiracy theory stuff you are stuck on...
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Man, I post one snippet from a song (that I actually like), and y'all just get crazy on it. So might as well throw in my 2 cents while I'm at it.
I don't think there's a white corporate conspiracy. With the current trend of rapper's promoting everything from their own energy drinks, to clothing & shoes, to rims.. what's the difference between buying a pair of Jordan's to be a baller, or a pair of Dada Supremes? Somebody's getting rich off of it, and it's not the consumers. So what does it matter who makes the profit? BUT! I bet you won't ever hear a rap song complaining about black media moguls cashing in. Like it, don't like it, or simply don't care (like me), that's just the way it is.
Now, I'm going to say what I like about racism. It's universal. It also leads to some pretty funny, completely non-PC jokes. I can hang out in a black crowd, and crack jokes about how much I hate white people (I'm white, btw). I can walk up to my black roommate and spit out jokes about fried chicken. I can walk downstairs and sit down with a Chinese salesman, and listen to him go off about much he hates Vietnamese & Cambodians. I can go to lunch with my Cuban friends and see the look of utter disdain on their faces when they have to talk to a Mexican or Puerto Rican. I can hop on a plane, fly back to Dubai, and stand amazed that they practice blatant immigration discrimination against Somalians(sp?), and it's just par for the course there. I can stand next to virtually any American, and make fun of the French... and probably Canadians to, eh?
It's just a matter of time until we're all completely de-sensitized. I long for that day. The day where racism is mainstream funny. Not just "oh, I can't believe he said that!" funny... but par for the course funny. We're gonna get there eventually!
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Originally posted by jamusta
Where in anything I said is there anything abouy a corporate conspiracy? You will never understand what I am saying to you wotan.... So forget it and keep watching T.V. since that is where you learned this white conspiracy theory stuff you are stuck on...
Quote I where I said you did.
I asked a question based on a reply you made...
Do I need to quote it all for you again?
I don't care what you are saying out side the question I asked. You 'danced' around it like a soul train dancer finally answering...
It confirmed exactly what I thought, you are kook...
The big white 'boss man' in the suburbs, importing drugs to take advantage of the black man's vices...
Wasn't that a Wayans movie?
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Originally posted by Wotan
Wasn't that a Wayans movie?
Undercover Brother, starring Chris Kattan. Not a Wayan's movie, but extremely funny. Dave Chapelle also does a cameo as the "conspiracy brother", and it's his 2nd funniest role, just shy of Half Baked.
edit: Oh yeah, Denise Richards is hot.
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Oh, so you got those ideas from movies and not T.V....
As for me being a kook I believe I am far more intouch with reality than you will ever be.
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Oh, so you got those ideas from movies and not T.V....
No, you are the one stating 'ideas'. A question is not an 'idea'. As to the movies it appears to me that you are caricature straight out of one...
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Well then, eplain to me where you get your ideas from and I will explain to you where I get mine.
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Again what idea?
But just for you I will give it one more go...
You said:
Nike is owned by a white man.
Technically incorrect since Nike is a public corporation but no biggie.
The implication here is that corporations are profiting indirectly from drug sales. Of course that’s stating the obvious. So are music companies, car dealers, gold chain dealers etc, and any other businesses in those areas.
It's not some great revelation.
But you go on from there to say:
If you think that the drugdealer on the corner has enough money and power to have ties with columbians to bring drugs into this country you are misimformed.
First you bring up Nike corporation profiting from drug sales then jump right into 'the drug dealers in the neighborhood can't get access to drugs on their own'.
So you have corporation, (Nike), owned by a 'white man’ and incompetent neighborhood drug dealers.
Corporation + white man + neighborhood drug dealers = my question to you:
Do you think the 'white guy' or 'guys' who own 'Nike' import drugs?
Your answer =
I believe... those who sale the drugs is some well to do white guys in the suburbs...
I have read numerous other 'black leaders' and ‘activists’ make similar claims. I have read them claim the CIA invented crack and as well as AIDS.
In fact there's a recent thread I posted in this o'club about the Nigerian Nobel laureate who made exactly that claim about AIDS. Search for that thread if you like.
So my 'ideas' were nothing more then a 'question' based on your reply. It has since been answered.
I don't know how to make it any more simple for you to understand.
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Wotan you are not understanding what I am telling you. Nike has nothing to do with drugs. If what you are trying to put into my mouth were true then Cadillac would be the behind all this. He was just using Nike as an example because whether you want to believe it or not most bball shoes are made for the hip hop culture. Goes along with that whole urban wear thing. Do you know what that is?
And by the way although NIKE is a corporation Mr. Phil is said to own 90% of it. So technically I am correct.
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I understand full well what you said.
Yet you can't comprehend that I haven't been repeating myself because I 'don't get you'.
You asked about my 'ideas'. I told you several times that I have no 'idea'. I asked a simple question in regards to this statement made by you:
If you think that the drugdealer on the corner has enough money and power to have ties with columbians to bring drugs into this country you are misimformed.
I asked you to 'inform me' that is all. You danced a jig to get there but you finally answered.
Anything beyond that is all in your mind.
FYI since you aren't so 'well informed':
Phil Knight doesn't own 90% of the stock he owns about 28% of the voting shares of Nike Class B stock, worth about $6.12 billion.
He recently announced he would resign as president and CEO but retain his position as chairmen. Knight will be replaced by William Perez.
Spanish name? Columbian perhaps?...
:rolleyes:
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I stand corrected on the amount of ownership he has.
Goes to show you gotta do research sometimes. 28% is still a rather large chunk of a corporation and I bet Mr Perez doesnt own quite that much.
Can we move on and discuss something else, this is almost as fun as having a discussion with Lazs.
Shall we move on to your comment about black leaders and this whole "conspiracy theory" towards the black man. I dont agree with the whole CIA and drugs or AIDS being used against black people although I do believe it is some lab experiment gone bad. I will tell you that, things these so called black leaders say should not be viewed as the sole voice from the black community. That is why I did not understand why you were going on and on about that.
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If you noticed I used quotes
'black leaders' and ‘activists’
I certainly don't think that those types are the only voice of blacks and or minorities. These folks just get a lot of the publicity.
They, themselves, may or may not believe these types of claims and only make them to get noticed. George Lincoln Rockwell, founder of the American Nazi Party, did the same type of thing. Make an outrageous public claim then take advantage of the publicity that followed.
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Well I guess this has run its course...
Until next time, because there will be as long as members of this board continue to bring up these racial issues.
Im glad we had this discussion.
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Until next time, because there will be as long as members of this board continue to bring up these racial issues.
Well I just want to point out that the original post servers a purpose by informing folks of some the extremes that are out there in the world.
I have an extensive knowledge of most white racial groups in America and world wide for that matter. My participation in this thread was originally limited to providing additional information. I made similar posts in other threads with same subject matter.
I didn't participate in the 'Rap is more racist' or any of that nonsense.
In fact I said:
Rap for the most part isn’t political or filled with white hatred as it is degrading to women and humanity in general.
I believe that because so much of it objectifies women and others.
I am neither a leftist egalitarian nor a Christian but I believe anything that takes away from a person's humanity is bad.
On the hand I am far more 'right wing' then most on this board. I recognize that race is one of the defining social problems the US has to face. I just don't think that we can arrive at a 'solution' unless we are willing to face facts for what they are and take responsibility for our own individual lot in life.
Those on the left have tendency to shift responsibility in order to avoid being offensive or to excuse a certain set of behaviors.
It doesn't matter who 'imports the dope' or who ‘profits’ from it. As I said above it’s the demand that makes drug dealing profitable. The people who buy the 10 dollar rocks or the 10 dollar bags of weed are the ones financing the importation of drugs. With no costumers the drug dealers and drug lords shrivel up and die.
I am not implying that only minorities are involved in drug dealing and drug use but its undeniable the impact drugs have had on some minority communities.
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Originally posted by lazs2
curval... I have allways treated women with the utmost civility.
Especially ones with big gazongas.
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Although the rap industry does degrade women, the biggest defender of all is the porn industry but for some reason it doesnt seem to matter.
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Originally posted by jamusta
Although the rap industry does degrade women, the biggest defender of all is the porn industry but for some reason it doesnt seem to matter.
The porn industry defends women?
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Originally posted by jamusta
Although the rap industry does degrade women, the biggest defender of all is the porn industry but for some reason it doesnt seem to matter.
Apples and oranges.
Rap talks about women, glamorizing male potency at their expense. Porn employs them, paying them, on average, 3 times what it does their male counterparts(saw a documentary on this on HBO last Sunday). The fact that both inevitably lead to a disparaging view of women is definitely unfortunate, but porn, at least for the women who make their living doing it, actually empowers them--abeit in a way most people would consider reprehensible.
To be fair, Jamusta, I think there are far more people that think porn is gross than do rap.
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Originally posted by Neubob
Porn employs them, paying them, on average, 3 times what it does their male counterparts (saw a documentary on this on HBO last Sunday). ...
Yeah sure... you're a fluffer. :D
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Yeah sure... you're a fluffer. :D
Was, Groin... With those wages, it's kinda hard to make ends meet.
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Originally posted by Wotan
I didn't participate in the 'Rap is more racist' or any of that nonsense.
I don't remember anyone else being part of that group. It was simply pointed out that there other kinds of music that have violence and hate as there message and are destructive as well. My whole argument on this subject is that this music while disgusting is free speech. When we start regulating it were do we stop?
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Originally posted by jamusta
Although the rap industry does degrade women, the biggest defender of all is the porn industry but for some reason it doesnt seem to matter.
I am not a regular viewer of pRon and I am not exposed to it as often as 'rap' (which isn't that often).
However, I did mention that the sister of Anthony Pierpont, owner and founder of Panzerfaust Records, works for a firm called "Porn Star Clothing'.
But pRon is completely different discussion.
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jamusta... I am having a little trouble understanding your justiofication here... You are saying that "white" or "cracker" or "whitey" or "redneck" is some sort of code for only the evil whites and the rest of us should not be offended by the slurs directed at these evil whites?
So if we say the n word you should not be offended because we are talking about the criminal or lazy or "bad" blacks?
The porn industry treats women with disrespect so... It is ok for the rappers and hippity hoppers to do so? Yet... What I see is the porn industry paying every single woman that is involved and being attacked by every womens group to come down the pike yet... it is not ok to do so with this so called black poetry? they get a pass somehow and it is racist to call em on it?
Knowing you, I don't think you believe that but would be interested in what you think not justifications.
lazs