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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: mechanic on November 24, 2004, 05:52:12 AM
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short and sweet.
People who deliberately sink CVs and blow up fighter hangers at bases where great fights are going on when their country men ask them politely not to should all die and burn in hell.
fair enough if its for a capture or if no one cares, but if asked directly not to, then others should be considered.
but of course 'Its my 14.95, i do what i like!'
"look mommy, i shot down a hanger, arnt i great!!"
Hitech, Base tacking and strategic 'warfare' is destroying what is the best DOGFIGHTING sim on the market.
period.
:mad:
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Ummm no
Let me try and understand..."please oh please Id be ever so grateful if you didnt attack my base"
Good fights occure between bases constantly, and part of a good fight is defending your base of operations.
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Originally posted by mechanic
short and sweet.
People who deliberately sink CVs and blow up fighter hangers at bases where great fights are going on when their country men ask them politely not to should all die and burn in hell.
fair enough if its for a capture or if no one cares, but if asked directly not to, then others should be considered.
but of course 'Its my 14.95, i do what i like!'
"look mommy, i shot down a hanger, arnt i great!!"
Hitech, Base tacking and strategic 'warfare' is destroying what is the best DOGFIGHTING sim on the market.
period.
:mad:
Riiiigghhhttt....
thats gonna happen right after HT takes ord outa the game :aok
Tronsky
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:D Dejavu Part II
Is that a TROLL under the bridge?
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welcome to the MA
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Fun police :mad:
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if U want just dogfighting, theres always the DA. take your fights there.
Dogg
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Go play H2H it's free too
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Originally posted by Stang
Fun police :mad:
more like fun gestapo, show me your papers please.... your papers are not in order.....:aok :rofl
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Originally posted by mechanic
short and sweet.
People who deliberately sink CVs and blow up fighter hangers at bases where great fights are going on when their country men ask them politely not to should all die and burn in hell.
fair enough if its for a capture or if no one cares, but if asked directly not to, then others should be considered.
but of course 'Its my 14.95, i do what i like!'
"look mommy, i shot down a hanger, arnt i great!!"
Hitech, Base tacking and strategic 'warfare' is destroying what is the best DOGFIGHTING sim on the market.
period.
:mad:
first fuel now this........ :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by MwDogg
if U want just dogfighting, theres always the DA. take your fights there.
Dogg
:lol
Just in case Mr. Toad's reading, please be advised I have no shade accounts!
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where on earth is lazs2...we cant have one of these without him...
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dont misinterpret my post.
I do not discourage the destruction of FHs at a base if you want to take it.
especially not when theres 500+ online.
the instance that prompted me to post was this morning when there was only 60 players alltogether.
a CV was off shore and a few of us were furballing. nobody was shed bashing or attempting capture. then some 'fun nazis' decided to try and sink the CV.
i asked very politely and repeatedly for them to leave it up and this only prompted more 'pilots' to suicide dive bomb the fleet from 1k.
what a total waste.
they tell me 'there are other player here you know, it not all about you, dont tell me how to spend my 14.95'
what they dont see is:
I can in no way stop you bombing the fleet, and therefore cannot stop you enjoying your money. You CAN find something else to bomb and leave me my fight. If you sink my furball then effectively you ARE stopping me spending my money how i choose.
In my humble opinion, it come down to a lack of the 3 'ILLS' of furballs.
1: they dont have the SKILLS
2: They cant get the KILLS
3: they dont know the THRILLS
Skills, Kills and Thrills are the essence of furball.
bah, screw em.
i notice the only people here who seem to agree are the ones who have displayed a knoledge of the 3 ILLS.
you other unfortunately may be so far gone that we cannot help you.
its truly a shame.
batfink
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Waaaah! Somebody stopped my Quake session! And I was almost to the next level! Stop the bad mens, mommy!
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Originally posted by rshubert
Waaaah! Somebody stopped my Quake session! And I was almost to the next level! Stop the bad mens, mommy!
typical non-skilled dweeb answer.
wtg on proving me right.
i look forward to chasing your LA7 through your ack and vulching your lame arse as you try and land.
I SAY AGAIN!
I can in no way stop you bombing the fleet, and therefore cannot stop you enjoying your money. You CAN find something else to bomb and leave me my fight. If you sink my furball then effectively you ARE stopping me spending my money how i choose.
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See the problem is Batfink... you are still thinking that this is some kind of air combat game. Shame on you.
When the vast majority of the people who play the game decide that air combat is to hard, so they have to find something easier.. you don't have an air combat game any more.
When they are proud of the fact that they suck to badly to fight, you have "Aces High"... kind of an ironic name.
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Originally posted by Urchin
See the problem is Batfink... you are still thinking that this is some kind of air combat game. Shame on you.
When the vast majority of the people who play the game decide that air combat is to hard, so they have to find something easier.. you don't have an air combat game any more.
When they are proud of the fact that they suck to badly to fight, you have "Aces High"... kind of an ironic name.
E'GAD! and there i was thinking the idea was dogfighting.
i feel so stupid.
time to swap my spitV/Jug40 for some Lancs and go suicide dive bombing anything that even resembles the ingredients of fun.
HEY! that SOB Farmer down their is hunting duck! the Bastage!!!
thats it, im going to bomb hell out of his small plot of land and then my fellow country men can sleep peacefully at night and no longer have to up the most uber, cannon loaded ride and HO/run/HO/run/HO/run/auger!
i feel so satisfied.
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Originally posted by mechanic
typical non-skilled dweeb answer.
wtg on proving me right.
i look forward to chasing your LA7 through your ack and vulching your lame arse as you try and land.
I SAY AGAIN!
I can in no way stop you bombing the fleet, and therefore cannot stop you enjoying your money. You CAN find something else to bomb and leave me my fight. If you sink my furball then effectively you ARE stopping me spending my money how i choose.
then quit and save money.
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No, i'm still having fun despite many peoples best HO's.....er....efforts.
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I see this complaint a lot and in some ways I agree with Mechanic. Sometimes it's hard to find a good even fight. Some of the most fun I've had were CV fights.
The problem is human nature. You can ask folks nicely all day long to either do or not do something and the likelyhood of a positive response is about 5%. Especially in AH where everyone is going to fall back on the "it's my money" line.
I've seen some good suggestion in here that would make the strat in the MA more interesting but a lot of folks would complain about them because they would restrict the plane set some how. One I really liked was to have factories be the source of certain planes and when they are destroyed that plane is unavailable.
As far as suiciding the CV's, I've only been here a month and I've seen this a too. Suicide bombing, head on collisions. There should be some form of penalty for a suicide attacks. Not sure what it should be but something that would discourage this.
One suggestion I saw in the BB was to increase the lethality of the AI flak. Possibly make it so that it's more lethal if a bomber formation is coming in low. This would not only make it harder to suicide but it would encourage higher alt level bombing. Maybe perk point for bringing home the formation.
JMO.
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Originally posted by rshubert
Waaaah! Somebody stopped my Quake session! And I was almost to the next level! Stop the bad mens, mommy!
hmm, that ones worn out...time for a new figure of speach...
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lmao, you wanna talk about Quakers, I think they are more personified by the rinse and repeat suicide horde lamers. Die 100 time just to blow up a silly building then get wtg's on ch2 for their "skill." Who the F are you guys kidding?
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Originally posted by Stang
lmao, you wanna talk about Quakers, I think they are more personified by the rinse and repeat suicide horde lamers. Die 100 time just to blow up a silly building then get wtg's on ch2 for their "skill." Who the F are you guys kidding?
that requires the patience of a grandmaster chess player, quake requires fighter pilot reaction times and the attention span of a gnat of crack...
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lol, that is so wrong I can't even beging to describe. Perhaps you just said that to try to get a rise outta me. Regardless, keeping SA in a horde of la7's and making it out alive in a slower plane is probably the hardest thing to do in the game. Short attention span? How bout blowing 20k of alt to smash into a FH you don't even kill and waste 15 mins of your life.
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Originally posted by mechanic
I can in no way stop you bombing the fleet, and therefore cannot stop you enjoying your money. You CAN find something else to bomb and leave me my fight. If you sink my furball then effectively you ARE stopping me spending my money how i choose.
Time to play devils advocate. :aok
You don't seem to understand the fun game mechanics behind a furball. Furballs are awesome, fun fights. I love them. So do alot of people. Lots of other people see the furball 'dar, up, and join it, or make war against the enemy cv/base. *gasp* somebody porked the hangars! Well, open your map, it's not hard to find a new furball. Just look for the big, red lines, and fly to it. Furballs build their own momentum with just some simply colored bars popping up.
Getting to play the game, the way you want to play it all the time, for your money, is a complete & utterly false myth. In a persistent environment game, there are hundreds of variables that determine what you are going to be able to do, and alot more that determine your success at it. Add in dozens, or hundreds, or thousands, of different players, with different styles, and different mentalities.. add in a helping of Murphy's Law.. and you've got a game that, while insanely fun, doesn't always let things go down like you want them to.
In summary: People suck, but you can't let it get you down. Multiple fronts, multiple maps for a reason. Not hard to find a new fight. Moths to a flame. If you furball, they will come.
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QUAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to this thread
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Type engrish you polock. :D
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The Whines have been recorded
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Originally posted by indy007
Time to play devils advocate. :aok
You don't seem to understand the fun game mechanics behind a furball. Furballs are awesome, fun fights. I love them. So do alot of people. Lots of other people see the furball 'dar, up, and join it, or make war against the enemy cv/base. *gasp* somebody porked the hangars! Well, open your map, it's not hard to find a new furball. Just look for the big, red lines, and fly to it. Furballs build their own momentum with just some simply colored bars popping up.
Getting to play the game, the way you want to play it all the time, for your money, is a complete & utterly false myth. In a persistent environment game, there are hundreds of variables that determine what you are going to be able to do, and alot more that determine your success at it. Add in dozens, or hundreds, or thousands, of different players, with different styles, and different mentalities.. add in a helping of Murphy's Law.. and you've got a game that, while insanely fun, doesn't always let things go down like you want them to.
In summary: People suck, but you can't let it get you down. Multiple fronts, multiple maps for a reason. Not hard to find a new fight. Moths to a flame. If you furball, they will come.
good post, good points. yet irrelavent to my situation this morning.
there was 60 players total online. finding a fight was impossible. then out of the darkness a shinning light of pleasure burned brightly down at A55. #A CV was off shore and many cons were coming in. Myself and a squaddie upped and battle for 15 mins or so with 5 or 6 hogs and cats. it was great. then some punk on CH2 said,
PUNK: 'OH, a CV off 55, im'a gunna sink it!'
Batfink: 'Hey, please dont, we're having a great fight here.'
PUNK: i dont care, dont tell me how to spend my money'
Batfink: please, i am really asking you politly not to sink it, what fun can you glean from this behaviour.'
PUNK2: 'He's trying to tell you how to spend your money!! im gunna sink it too damnit!'
Batfink: what? no way, hold on im not trying to tell anyone what to do, merely requesting you dont sink it.'
PUNK3: hey, screw you man, its a game and im gunna sink it also'
PUNK:Yeah! go find another furball ya quake head'
*Batfink looks at map, only darbar in sight is some land grabbers from each country flying aournd in groups of 10 stealing undefended bases*
Batfink: Come on guys, theres nothing going anywhere now, and i got work in an hour. PLEASE'
PUNK4: Furballing is pathetic, this game is about strategic planning and winning the war dude'
Batfink: 'eh....?'
PUNK2: HAHA i got it on fire, few more suicide runs and its ded guys'
*Batfink becomes abusive to all punks*
PUNKS:'you're rude man, how dare you BLAH BLAH i dont pay my money to hear BLAH BLAH my kid is watching me play YADDA YADDA you go find another fight'
Batfink: '**** you all, what a bunch of bananas you are.'
PUNKS: thats it, im filming this, you gunna be banned moron.
*and on and on and on this goes.*
gives up, goes to shop and starts smoking 3 ciggarettes at once.
posts this and goes to work.
now that is mindless fun nazi watermelon if i ever saw it.
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You sure want alot. Its hard to even convince friendlies to stop porking the field when its 30 seconds away from being captured let alone convincing a tool shed killer not to piss on the parade of people who just wish to furball in peace.
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heh I feel your pain batfink, lot of times log on for quick hop before work. nada happening. log off, go in to work early .
might be a bunch of kids doing it. upside their day is coming. they'll then, know what it's like to work for a living. and not have enough time to enjoy things. like they do now.
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i always try to bring at least a little ord, and dont like waisting it:D
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Drop it on the head of the guy you're vulchin'. Ahem. :lol
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Originally posted by Arlo
Drop it on the head of the guy you're vulchin'. Ahem. :lol
:lol i always laugh when i see that
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Originally posted by mechanic
good post, good points. yet irrelavent to my situation this morning.
You got me on that one, I just like to voice other viewpoints. Really, I'd be just as annoyed as you are. I just walkoff for a coke & a smile, and avoid stupid online arguements. Much rather discuss it, sanely, on the BB. That, and I only get to play when there's at least 150 people online, so finding a furball has never been difficult for me :)
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Originally posted by indy007
, and avoid stupid online arguements. Much rather discuss it, sanely, on the BB.
:lol
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Originally posted by indy007
Much rather discuss it, sanely, on the BB.
A sense of humor has been recorded. :D
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The only surprising thing about this thread is it took over 3 weeks (since version 2.01 killed manual calibration ) before the complaints started; this won’t be the last.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Just .... don't post your pic again. I'm beggin' yas. If you do then I'll have to trump ya by posting mine but then everyone who sees it will be forced to poke their eyes out with icepicks. Icepicks! Iceman!
Do what now?
heres one of my better angles....
(http://www.flightsims.info/datas/users/5-happyface2.JPG)
no one say im a faceless internet tard now. now im a tard with a face.
yes i play in pitch darkness, and sometimes in the nude.
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Lordy that treky kid is ugly.:D
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well, there goes my lunch...id rather not see the tonsils of what appears to be a 13 year old who has a severe acne problem...
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hey im 21 beatch!
and have been working for a living since i was 16, so i can afford to play MA, not condemed to H2H for poor people.
how the **** can you tell i got acne, damn you're good.
hell, i got nice teeth for a brit though eh? :rofl
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(http://www.uglypeople.com/uploaded/6/ugly6.jpg)
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Originally posted by mechanic
how the **** can you tell i got acne, damn you're good.
it was either acne or freckles...freckles are unlikely on a member of this board...
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Originally posted by vorticon
it was either acne or freckles...freckles are unlikely on a member of this board...
funny how you noticed. i got over serious acne a few years ago when i stopped taking mind altering substences......so frequently.
i mean really, does it show? i am quite scarred.
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the idea of this game is to capture bases and "win the war" and have fun while doing it.
leaving a CV up will end up with you losing a base.
this game isnt JUST about furballs. Thats DA
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Originally posted by Overlag
this game isnt JUST about furballs. Thats DA
but the DA is not about furballs either.....
the DA is about duels & dueling
there is no arena for furballs only
if there was more people online around say 120 or more then batfink prob wouldn't have even posted( then again he might have) but with only 60 online tops, you are lucky to find ONE good furball or fight, and if he did actually try to ask nicely for his countrymen not to kill the resource ( CV ) so he could have planes to up then his countrymen should have a little more respect. BUT some say there is no respect, there is no honor, or any other type of ethics in AH or online....I am starting to have to agree with them on this more and more everyday
Batfink, I understand your feelings, but I would not have stooped to their level and would have not started cussing them.......even masked words.......
what is one supposed to do, or a group even? when so many think one way and so many others think oppositely?
what we need is something similar to what that other sim had, you know 2 different types of Main arenas.......
who knows...........I have not flown since last friday and it is post like this, and post like the "Sore Losers" thread that make me decide if I even want to participate in this anymore, not just what has been said on the BBS but the way things happen in game, what is said and allowed to be said in game, and the over all perception of the game in the way I view it...........I am pretty sure alot of others get the same vibe as well! seems everyone is caught up in the ME,ME,ME/MY,MY,MY/I,I,I and forgot about the overall
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
but the DA is not about furballs either.....
the DA is about duels & dueling
there is no arena for furballs only
if there was more people online around say 120 or more then batfink prob wouldn't have even posted( then again he might have) but with only 60 online tops, you are lucky to find ONE good furball or fight, and if he did actually try to ask nicely for his countrymen not to kill the resource ( CV ) so he could have planes to up then his countrymen should have a little more respect. BUT some say there is no respect, there is no honor, or any other type of ethics in AH or online....I am starting to have to agree with them on this more and more everyday
Batfink, I understand your feelings, but I would not have stooped to their level and would have not started cussing them.......even masked words.......
what is one supposed to do, or a group even? when so many think one way and so many others think oppositely?
what we need is something similar to what that other sim had, you know 2 different types of Main arenas.......
who knows...........I have not flown since last friday and it is post like this, and post like the "Sore Losers" thread that make me decide if I even want to participate in this anymore, not just what has been said on the BBS but the way things happen in game, what is said and allowed to be said in game, and the over all perception of the game in the way I view it...........I am pretty sure alot of others get the same vibe as well! seems everyone is caught up in the ME,ME,ME/MY,MY,MY/I,I,I and forgot about the overall
Exactly!
if there had been hundreds online and DOGFIGHTS all over this would never have arisen. It was a purely selfish act of 'i dont know how to dogifht, so im gunna stop you ejoying your furball'
there was no danger of our 'base' being captured.
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On the rare nights Im trying to capture a base, and even rarer, in a goon, screaming for the fighters there to spend their precious vulch ammo on the 2 bldgs left, and nobody will....its those fellas Im thinking of when I take down the FHs, even if someone says leave them up. All kinds play this game..we just ended up at the same base is all.
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I was vulching and some one stopped my easykill fest... evil strat nazi's...must post whine in forum threatening HT to redesign game so not to spoil my vulchfest.. If I whine enough Urchin will jump on the band wagon and really give those strat nazis a urchin style thrashing...
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BTW lazs is a hell of alot better negotiator when it comes to the strat -vs- furball arguments...Urchin ruins any good arguments with his abrasive negative comments... everyone leaves the thread wondering if urchin is going to get thier IP and find out where they live, knock on the door with an automatic weapon of some sort and home invade for not being aggressive while flying and or being strat nazi..
XOXO
IKON
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Originally posted by FiLtH
On the rare nights Im trying to capture a base, and even rarer, in a goon, screaming for the fighters there to spend their precious vulch ammo on the 2 bldgs left, and nobody will....its those fellas Im thinking of when I take down the FHs, even if someone says leave them up. All kinds play this game..we just ended up at the same base is all.
well said
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Originally posted by 1K0N
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I was vulching and some one stopped my easykill fest... evil strat nazi's...must post whine in forum threatening HT to redesign game so not to spoil my vulchfest.. If I whine enough Urchin will jump on the band wagon and really give those strat nazis a urchin style thrashing...
Translate over...
BTW lazs is a hell of alot better negotiator when it comes to the strat -vs- furball arguments...Urchin ruins any good arguments with his abrasive negative comments... everyone leaves the thread wondering if urchin is going to get thier IP and find out where they live, knock on the door with an automatic weapon of some sort and home invade for not being aggressive while flying and or being strat nazi..
XOXO
IKON
your translation is inacurate. completely.
there was no vulchfest, just a few guys fighting it out with equal advantage.
to qoute AkAK: 'There you go again making those ASSumptions'
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the idea of this game is to capture bases and "win the war" and have fun while doing it.
Or, the idea is to create an environment where you get excellent ACES HIGH A2A and A2G combat (fighting against other players as the focus of the game) using base capture as a means to an end. That is really the history of these games, and it's the history HT and Pyro come from. You couldn't even win the war in AW (for most of the time at least) by conquering the map. It was a points system calculated at the end of the month that drove direct A2A battles.
It's funny that HTC seems to spend far more time making sure the flight physics and individual flight models are accurate, adding new planes, addressing gunnery issues, etc. than they do working on the elements of your "idea" of the game. In your version it would even be better for business to go the full arcade route where the flight models are concerned. Accurate flight physics complicates and distracts from horde warrior. Just look at how popular console games are compared to PC games in general and hard-core simulations specifically. You don't need a simulation to have a fun "war winning" game.
Or maybe, IMO it's supposed to do both but is flawed to various degrees in various areas when you try to fill two contradictory roles with one game environment.
Charon
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Am I the only person who sees the contradiction here?
The furballer always wants his furball to be uninterrupted by the strat game (another way of putting it is "the quakers don't want to be bothered by the toolshed killers")
Yet the furballer adamantly refuses to go furball somewhere else, such as the DA. Why? I have a theory.
Toolshed killers are relatively easy targets, and really build up the furballer's score. The furballer isn't so much bothered by the PRESENCE of the toolshed killer as he is bothered by the SUCCESS of a toolshed killing spree. If the toolshed killers would just play nice, dump their ord, try to fight it out froma position of disadvantage, get shot down, and not actually hit anything the furballers would be delighted.
Yeah, I've heard it already--shooting down toolshed killers is about as exciting as clubbing baby seals, these no skill suicide dweebs, the purity of aerial knighthood and manly air-to-air combat...yada, yada, yada.
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DA - killshooter is off, new flyers go in there and shoot at each other on same side........also unless it has changed recently you could bomb stuff there but I am unsure of how long the damage lasted if at all
map is not set up for a good 2 or 3 way battle..........
if there was a "furball area" it would have no impact on anything else, and furball type players would not be killing the what you call it "toolshed killerS"
anyhow, if you could talk HTC into upgrading the DA map to include a nice little area which includes the 3 countrys and maybe 2 bases per side, alot would prob use it, regardless if any scores or stats were kept..........
my opinion is the ones complaining about the ones wanting this feature have never ever experienced anything like it before, or if they had they despise it because they do not feel like they will be able to compete........don't be shy jump in with both feet and master them virtual flying skillzz!
:D
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Yet the furballer adamantly refuses to go furball somewhere else, such as the DA. Why? I have a theory.
Your theory is all wrong. The DA doesnt provide for furballs. The DA (Dueling Arena) is for dueling 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2 etc.
Nowhere on the HTC homepage does it say the game is about *winning the war*. In fact, I cant even find where it mentions base capture.
In most instances the FH's dont need to come down to capture a base. Kill the acks, vh and cap it with fighters. Bring in bomber forms to drop the town and jabos to clean up what the buffs miss.
If you kill the FH's while I am helping cap the base, I fly home...PERIOD. I dont care how much or how little ammo I have left, I am leaving to find another fight. I dont care if there is only one building left up and I am the only fighter left with ammo and a goon is waiting, I am flying home. I play the game for the fights. I will help with base capture as long as the FH's arent dropped needlessly.
Strat guys.....the furballers WILL help you IF you leave the FH's up. You drop the FH's the furballers leave to find another fight. The game was designed with BOTH types of gameplay in mind.
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Last night we rooks had a field extremely well cap'd. No cons were upping anymore. The town was full-up. A couple of heavies come in and start to attack the base, resources and hangers. On public channel I and several others ask them to stop. There is no danger of anyone upping from the base and still the town is up. I think just to spite us they continue to completely level the hangers and resources, not even touching the town. In the end I and most of the fighters left and the town was still standing. What did we accomplish? Nothing.
I think that is the point being missed here. If the base is cap'd, what is the point of hitting anything but the town and ack and maybe the VH if the gv's are getting out of hand? All it does is screw up the base for your own team when you capture it. Nothing like watching the base get decimated minutes before capturing it.
If the town is down and the situation is under control, DON'T dump your ord, go on to the next base where you can do some good.
It doesn't matter if you're a strat player or a furballer, the means to the end are the same. Do whatever it takes to suppress the enemies long enough to capture the base. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Good post g00b, I agree with that. What is the point of leveling a base you want to capture? Imo it's best to take the base as intact as possible. When you take a base intact it allows the offensive to continue to the next base w/o pause. A base that is wrecked completely is of no use whatsoever to your team.
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Batfink is missing a couple important facts re. what happened. T'was down on A55 in the SW corner of trinity IIRC, and to the west of a55 'bout 4 sectors out we had hidden the cv from the much talked about, and dreded p49.
Then nme had TWO cv's off a55. one in close, and one 'bout a sector ish out. Killing the close cv DID stop the immediate furball, but the 2nd cv WAS still there, and they were upin' from it trying to kill cv48 (the nme had controll of p49)
Sure the immediate fight was at 55 was done, BUT there were 'bout 5-6 guys in the air hitting the hidden (not so well hidden, some idiot actually used a spy to find it) cv.
I dunno. I watched the whole scene unfold on the txt buffer. Bat pretty much launched into the personal attacks/whines from the get go, and the two guys he was arguin' w/ were pretty cruddy 'bout BF wanting to furball. IMHO the guy killing that nme cv COULD have killed the OTHER one, thus saving our not so well hidden cv.
Ehhh..... stupid thing to argue about anyway....
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Originally posted by rshubert
I have a theory. Toolshed killers are relatively easy targets, and really build up the furballer's score.
Tell me one "furballer" who plays for 'score'. Tell me one "furballer" who even has a decent 'score'. We couldn't care less about scores. We like the thrill of the fight, nothing else.
shooting down toolshed killers is about as exciting as clubbing baby seals, these no skill suicide dweebs
This is true except baby seals would be slightly more of a challenge...
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Hitech, Base tacking and strategic 'warfare' is destroying what is the best DOGFIGHTING sim on the market.
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Lasz2 made an interesting suggestion elsewhere -- what about 3 unsinkable carriers out of everybody's way (so they cant be used for captures), to provide a permanent furball island?
Or, what about making each maps "furball zone" have uncapturable bases?
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face it guys... HT is entitled to make a profit and to do that he has to fit as many guys under the tent as possible.
Truth is... not all that many people have enough eye hand coordination or SA or good enough controls or confidendce to fight other players on anythiong like an even keel.
It is frustrating so... the toolshed killers need to do something a lot more simple... they won't stay tho unless they percieve that they are "making a difference" that they are causing damage... they need to be able to go where the skilled players are and to affect the skilled players game or they will not pay to play.
When a person develops slightly more skill or just want's to get into the fighter aspect... he needs to have some big advantage or he will get killed too easily and never really have a fun fight... Ht allows this player to have the latest and greatest planes in the same arena with much slower or weaker planes.
If you had a realism arena no one would go there (CT) if you had a bombing arena or strat arena no one would go there... A total furball arena would also get a little boring even for my ilk..
you need everything to make a community but I think the balance is shifting away from the furballers who end up with less and less for their money these days.
Concessions are made to the fluffers three bomber groups etc... the GV guys... the late war bore and zoom guys... time to make a gamey concession to the furballers and make a place that is theirs and can't be crippled. furballers won't spend 100% of their time there but..
neat to be able to go there for a few quick hops, still be part of the community but not have to worry about how badlyu the toolshed killers have messed up the map while you were doing life or sleeping.
lazs
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But now Bat, aren't you the same guy who bombs tank town with no remorse? Even though many people in the game would rather bombers stay out of TT?
Like the elephant said, "Seems a little hippocritical"
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
map is not set up for a good 2 or 3 way battle..........
anyhow, if you could talk HTC into upgrading the DA map to include a nice little area which includes the 3 countrys and maybe 2 bases per side, alot would prob use it, regardless if any scores or stats were kept..........
checked the DA this morning, A41, A42 & A43 is a good little area to have a furball type Island, if could get HTC to reset 1 of the bish fields to Rook, then would have 1 base each side, it is off to the right of the map and has 5k, 2k and sea level alts over land and water , one could call this Fighter Town or Top Gun or whatever one wants to call it, so I retract what I said earlier, we already have an area to do this, just no one uses it!
HTC - could u reset these 3 fields to be bish/knit/rook , and maybe advetise it on the Arena list as Furball Alley and Dueling Arena? just a thought
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Don't get me wrong, I feel your pain here. The incident that got me past being upset about this kind of stuff was a mission once upon a time to take out a critical base, sneak attack was only way to get job done, suddenly above our noe mission at about 5k appears a plane that had taken off with us, but not in mission.
Our mission leader quickly and politely explained the noe status and the reason for it, and why this base was important, please come down and join us, and of course the "No, I want to fly up here, you don't pay my fees" answer came back. I can't remember who it was now, but I used to see the name in the game quite a bit.
Anyway, as much as it does suck, that got me over fretting about this stuff, it's part of the nature of the game. It's fine to vent, but don't seriously expect anything to change about it.
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Mechanic ,
You my brother are talking to a brick wall. You and I fly tons together and share MANY of the same Ideas.
I TOTALLY understand what you are saying and what happened. But , alas my friend , it will NEVER change.:(
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How about this..... Delete bombers and only have fighter planes! No bombs are allowed. If you cant learn how to fight properly then delete account and move on.:rolleyes:
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blutic.... how bout having a small area in each map that is off about 2 or more sectors from the rest with unsinkable carriers where furballs could occur... then the toolshed killers and building battlers could have the whole rest of the map to argue about or develop their skills in.
as for "helping the war effort" if killing planes helps the "war effort" I will help but it not for your reasons.
lazs
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Originally Quoted by Tequila Chaser:
checked the DA this morning, A41, A42 & A43 is a good little area to have a furball type Island, if could get HTC to reset 1 of the bish fields to Rook, then would have 1 base each side, it is off to the right of the map and has 5k, 2k and sea level alts over land and water , one could call this Fighter Town or Top Gun or whatever one wants to call it, so I retract what I said earlier, we already have an area to do this, just no one uses it!
HTC - could u reset these 3 fields to be bish/knit/rook , and maybe advetise it on the Arena list as Furball Alley and Dueling Arena? just a thought
I would support this! To show my level of committment, I am working to make a H2H arena to support fighter operations only (i.e. furballing). Getting into H2H more, I see custom arenas being good for scenerio training, squad ops, and fighter town or bombing practice.
Part of a regular arena in AH, such as the DA, would be much better and much more convenient! The DA could also become an intermediate to advanced fighter training arena. I wonder what it would take to get such a change? A petition maybe? Certainly starting with part of a non busy arena, such as the DA, would be best.
I would support helping to make a map, or working to modify the current DA map for such operations. However, this may not be a popular activity for the AH community (or the one's who will speak up)! I believe this thread really belongs in the 'Gameplay Feedback and Requests' forum.
Regards,
Malta
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I don't think seperate arenas work well or are good for the community.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't think seperate arenas work well or are good for the community.
lazs
And endless attacks on anyone who doesn't want to play the game your way is any better for the community?
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yes.
lazs
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Originally posted by rshubert
Am I the only person who sees the contradiction here?
The furballer always wants his furball to be uninterrupted by the strat game (another way of putting it is "the quakers don't want to be bothered by the toolshed killers")
Yet the furballer adamantly refuses to go furball somewhere else, such as the DA. Why? I have a theory.
Toolshed killers are relatively easy targets, and really build up the furballer's score. The furballer isn't so much bothered by the PRESENCE of the toolshed killer as he is bothered by the SUCCESS of a toolshed killing spree. If the toolshed killers would just play nice, dump their ord, try to fight it out froma position of disadvantage, get shot down, and not actually hit anything the furballers would be delighted.
Yeah, I've heard it already--shooting down toolshed killers is about as exciting as clubbing baby seals, these no skill suicide dweebs, the purity of aerial knighthood and manly air-to-air combat...yada, yada, yada.
LMAO, the success of the toolshed killers? Maybe if there's 20 of them they might be able to kill a FH or two, but leave the VH up like a buncha dolts and all get whacked by ack and Osties.
And yes, it is fun clubbing all those baby seals (toolshed killers). I dont want them to go away because you're right, they are all easy kills. :aok
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Originally posted by Blue Mako
And endless attacks on anyone who doesn't want to play the game your way is any better for the community?
be a pretty suck bellybutton community if there wasnt any conflict...
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Lol :aok
Been going on four (or five?) years this way with the MA issues. Nothing changes, few want to do anything other than whine about how no one plays the game the way they want them to play. I see a pattern.
Not everyone will think each approach is best. That's ok. The only way to see if some ideas will work is to try them.
Regards,
Malta
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Originally posted by rshubert
Waaaah! Somebody stopped my Quake session! And I was almost to the next level! Stop the bad mens, mommy!
Look at it on another level tho.....
If there are plenty of bases to attack.... plenty of other things that can be accomplished..... why if one of your own countrymen asked you to leave a CV up so they could enjoy fighter vs fighter fights, would you not just salute them and go hit something else?
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Ahhhhhh..
THERE'S the rub..
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Originally posted by 4510
Look at it on another level tho.....
If there are plenty of bases to attack.... plenty of other things that can be accomplished..... why if one of your own countrymen asked you to leave a CV up so they could enjoy fighter vs fighter fights, would you not just salute them and go hit something else?
MY GOD! someone here has more than 3 braincells!
All who are discussing the issue still:
please note that my only complaint was that
A) I politely(initially) asked them to leave the CV up, and they refused.
B) the precious base was under no threat.
that guy who posted the pic from the '6th sense' is a good example of why we wont hear the last of this topic, ever.
EDIT:(http://www.flightsims.info/datas/users/5-negative9.jpg)
EDIT#2: and if they had sunk it from 10,000ft i would not have been so sore.
suicide bombing from 1k 20 times just to stop me furballing?
thats over the top.
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yep... an endless supply of skilless suicide fluffers hitting a field or cv that is far off the beaten path and of no strategtic use that anyone can see but is the center of a bunch of low slow planes all mixing it up.... well... that kinda chafes. That is kinda hard for the furballers to understand. It is extremely difficult for the furballers involved to garner any small amount of respect for such "strat". Things begin to feel lopsided.... a huge pool of talent having their enjoyment ruined by a few of extremely limited talent and skill..
fix that and you fix the problem.
lazs
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Maybe.... just maybe.... if we all take a moment to close our eyes and wish really hard, this problem will go away!! :rofl
If that works, let’s try the same thing with spam email, viruses, and spyware!!
Some people get their 'fun' from antics which deliberately spoil others 'fun'. Asking them to stop just encourages them. Sorry if I am being a kill joy here.
Malta
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Originally posted by mechanic
MY GOD! someone here has more than 3 braincells!
It's not my fault BatFink... I terminated my account and I gained a brain cell or two. No one warned me that that could happen ! :lol
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stantond... you are of course correct. there is no way to get people to respect other peoples fun... I for instance won't help a field capture unless it is to my advantage.... hell.... I would shoot down a fluff or suicide bomber team mate that was trying to sink the enemy CV at a good fite.
I would but... The game has been laid out so that I can't spoil that persons fun effortlessly...
that is how it works and that is/was the point of my post where I asked for a small area that couldn't be ruined by the guys who do that sort of thing when they are not mailing out a virus or spam.
HT does not agree with me tho so it is moot... the point remains tho... yu can do something about it especially in a controlled envioronment. I am sure that HT will come up with some gameplay aspect that will balance things out.
until then... some will enjoy the game a lot more and some will enjoy it a lot less.
lazs
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Computer System - $2,650
AH Subscription - $15
CH Joystick / Throttle Setup $210
Computer Desk $400
Chair $100
Cable Modem $40
Joystick you throw against the wall that needs to be replaced because some 12 year old just killed you with one shot while you were in a Tiger $110
Bottle of Glenfiddich 20 year Reserve that you just opened because puffy ack shot your engine out, your bleeding oil with 7 kills, and landing at home base is not happening - $80
Killing someone that just trashed you on A Channel - PRICELESS!
(Better than landing X amount of kills in X craft).
Wife nagging you that you are an immature idiot for playing a computer game at 2:00 in the morning - SPEECHLESS.
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Remove killshooter. That'll allow teammates to end their arguments about this in a manly fashion.
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shukins... a perfect example. I would love to shoot down countrymen who were tuining my fun. The game is designed tho so that I can't
If I could tho.... would it be fair for them to get on here and claim that the game was being ruined? would it be fair for me to say that they were being silly and that I liked all types of gameplay and didn't see why they couldn't do something else when their efforts were ruined by a countryman?
It's all balance.. those with the advantage allways feel that the game has finally achieved ballance.
lazs
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that is exactly my pain.
he CAN choose to/not to ruin my fun
i cannot stop him therefore i cannot ruin his.
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that is not entirely true mechanic... you can circle around waiting for the suicide porker and never get into a decent fight ever again..
u would be doing the rest of us furballers a big favor tho since we could enjoy the game off of your sacrafice... All we have to do is find some strat guy who likes circling around the fight waiting for suicide bombers.
What could be simpler or more fair?
lazs
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i still fail to see how i could stop a knight sinking a cv or FH when i myself am a knight.
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you couldn't.... someone equally dumb on the other side would have to do that.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
you couldn't.... someone equally dumb on the other side would have to do that.
lazs
sounds like we have a volunteer