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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: EN4CER on November 26, 2004, 11:53:48 AM
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MIAMI — Police have acknowledged using a stun gun to immobilize a 12-year-old girl just weeks after an officer jolted a first-grader with 50,000 volts. Police Director Bobby Parker defended the decision to use a Taser on the 6-year-old boy last month because he was threatening to injure himself with a shard of glass. But Parker said Friday that he could not defend the decision to shock the fleeing girl, who was skipping school and apparently drunk. According to the incident report, officer William Nelson responded to a complaint that children were swimming in a pool, drinking alcohol and smoking cigars on the morning of Nov. 5. Nelson said he noticed the girl was intoxicated and was walking her to his car to take her back to school when she ran away through a parking lot. Nelson, 38, said he chased her and yelled several times for her to stop before firing the Taser when she began to run into traffic. The electric probes hit the girl in the neck and lower back, immobilizing her. Nelson said he fired "for my safety along with (the girl's) safety." Paramedics treated the girl, who went home with her mother. Parker said department policy permits officers to use the Taser to apprehend someone, but he said he expected his officers to use better judgment, especially when police had no plans to arrest the girl. The first incident had already exposed the department to more criticism for its use of Tasers, which it has begun distributing in greater numbers to officers. The 6-year-old boy was shocked on Oct. 20 in the principal's office at Kelsey Pharr Elementary School. Principal Maria Mason called 911 after the child broke a picture frame in her office and waved a piece of glass, holding a security guard back. The boy had cut himself under his eye and on his hand when officers arrived. "The police could have handled this better," said the boy's mother, Kathy Rojas. "They did not have to shoot him." Parker said that, in light of the disclosure of the second incident, the department will review its policy. (Source: AP)
I've been following this story close. Hmmmm ..... I guess what Nelson should have done was let the girl go - run into traffic while she was intoxicated and possibly get hit by a car.:rolleyes:
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A typical no-win for the cop. Taser her, keep her safe and having learned a lesson, you get crap and probably sued. Don't Taser her, she possibly gets hit by a car, you get crap and sued. No-win.
It's hardly a wonder some cops get bitter, many drink and fewer quality people want the job.
Luckily, some are still willing to do it, are willing to do their best and are there when we need them. (S) to those.
dago
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Hey they are like new toys. Everyone wants to try them out. I am sure this sort of thing will stop once the novelty wears off.
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I support tasering more children.
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If the officers story is correct, then he might have saved a life. However this case doesn't warrant it's regular use against drunk teens. What made her run in the first place?
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Q:Why did the female cop Taser the six year old child?
A:She was out of pepper spray.
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Just another case of out of control kids, I mean christ this was a 12 year old girl who was skipping school and found in a pool drinking and smoking, and then she ran from the cops. I cant believe this is even an issue in this case and as far as the 6 year old, the kid had a piece of sharp glass and was threatning harm to himself and others. Then his **** up of a mother as the right to say "oh you could have just offered him a piece of candy" yeah cause thats gonna work when the kid is ready to slice himself. I am sure he is thinking rationally. The thing everyone misses is the face that in both situations the kids were put in control and the situation was put in to control and no one was injured, both kids came out fine.
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Originally posted by Engine
I support tasering more children.
In these two cases, I also support tazering the parents, just as an object lesson.
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Originally posted by Dago
It's hardly a wonder some cops get bitter, many drink and fewer quality people want the job.
Are you kidding? Everyone wants that job, i'll take it if someone wants to give it up, and I wont taser a 6 year old.
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*shrug* what would he have done if he didnt have the taser...
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Everyone wants to be a cop?! I guess I'm not included in everyone.
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LOL, going to police academy and becoming a cop would be the ultimate prank! I don't think I would pass the psych though.:)
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I dont think everyone wants to be a cop.
They just want to taser people and get paid for it.
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I'm not greedy, I'd taser people for free.
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I can understand using the tazer on the girl since she was running towards traffic. The 6 yr old boy otoh...no excuse for using a tazer on him. If the police officer in question cant overpower a 6 yr old w/o resorting to using a tazer they have no business being a police officer imo. The boy was in the prinicples office already, where was he going to run to?
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Of course the little brat was armed. If you ever had a little brother, you know how slippery the little bastards can be.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
Of course the little brat was armed. If you ever had a little brother, you know how slippery the little bastards can be.
I have 7 younger brothers and sisters, even as a child myself I never had any difficulty *subduing* them. An adult should have a easy time subduing a 6 yr old trapped in an office w/o resorting to nailing them with 50,000 volts of electricty.
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Drunk teen tazer'd? Damn, whatta way to come off a buzz...literally!
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Originally posted by Elfie
I have 7 younger brothers and sisters, even as a child myself I never had any difficulty *subduing* them. An adult should have a easy time subduing a 6 yr old trapped in an office w/o resorting to nailing them with 50,000 volts of electricty.
The kid had already cut himself twice, it sounds like the officer was trying to keep him from doing more damage. I wasn't there though, so I'm not the best judge of what was a reasonable response to the situation.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
In these two cases, I also support tazering the parents, just as an object lesson.
Here Here!
In both cases the kids were well out of line, and the cops did the right thing IMO. I am quite sure that lil girl is less likely to run from the next officer that wants to speak with her. The boy with the glass shard obviously has serious issues, and they likely can be traced right back to his Mom, who would rather discuss how inhumane her child was treated than the real issues causing his suicidal tendencies at such an early age.
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Uh oh, the alternative names are showing up
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Are you kidding? Everyone wants that job, i'll take it if someone wants to give it up, and I wont taser a 6 year old.
Im pretty sure the recruiting office for the Oakland Police Department is actively seeking recruits..................... ..
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I'm with Elfie on this one, which kind of cops can't 'disarm' a 6 yrs old toting a shard of glass or catch a drunk 12 yrs old on foot???
Besides the electricity jolt could/may very well have induced other cuts (fingers clutching on the glass)...
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I don't know about tazers but as a parent of 3 almost grown children I can assure you there were plenty of times that I thought a couple of those shock collars we used to use to train hounds would have been real handy. :p
as far as it being OK for cops to tazer people in general or kids specifically? obviously it would depend on the circumstances and were less drastic means considered.
personally I think I'd really hate getting tazered, but would rank it considerably above getting shot. I'd prefer that cops have as many other options as possible before they have to resort to shooting or killing me or anyone else.
at least with the tazer you can file a complaint and have your day in court (if the cop was out of line). while if you get shot they may still have the hearing, though 'winning' isn't likely to be near as satisfying for you.
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I've benen taszerred. Although it sucks, I osulwn't want' to be the only officer at my detptarmtent who gto stabbed bay a six yaer old.
Taser his ass. At least you wake up the nexty dayu; all is well and you don't have any bullet holes in you;.