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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wolf14 on November 27, 2004, 03:01:59 PM
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I am thinking of putting together myself a new computer using an AMD processor. Thing is I don't know much about AMD stuff.
Can any of you AMD guys recomend a good motherboard/ cpu combo?
I am looking for a good combo that has good high end specs in a stock set-up but will also let me overclock if I decide to play around.
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Originally posted by Wolf14
I am thinking of putting together myself a new computer using an AMD processor. Thing is I don't know much about AMD stuff.
Can any of you AMD guys recomend a good motherboard/ cpu combo?
I am looking for a good combo that has good high end specs in a stock set-up but will also let me overclock if I decide to play around.
How much do you intend to spend?
How close do you intend to be to "state of the art" or "cutting edge"?
In otherwords, are you looking at spending $200+ just for an AMD 64 CPU?
Or are you looking at a regular Athlon (like a Barton for example) CPU?
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Yes, we need to know what you have now, how much you plan on spending and self build or box system. BTW...as fast as todays processors are, theres not much reason to OC....but to each his own
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I'm thinking of going with the regular cpu not the 64.
As far as budget goes Im looking at somewhere between 400-500 for the cpu/ mb combo. Case, powersupply, and other stuff I'll either salvage from existing system or buy from various parts houses. But like I said I'm not familiar at all with AMD so I was looking at what cpu would be comparable to the Intel 3.2+ 800mghz or the other HT compatible chips.
As to what I have now is a 2.26ghz D845GBV combo with 512 megs ram and an ATI9000 Pro.
As far as overclocking goes its not important but if it was something I wanted to mess with I wanted my cpu/mb to allow my to do that without a lot of grief. Hell I guess the underlying thing of it all is that I am looking for a combo that will be really stable and allow me to expand with newer cpu's without having to buy a new motherboard everytime.
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Athlon 64 cpus have tons of horsepower... on a 64bit OS they are screamers. you can get an athlon 64 cpu and mb combo starting below 225 at newegg.... or a socket 939 combo starting at about 260.. thise are really fast... wish i had one!
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For the money I wouldnt pass up the AMD64.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1133509&CatId=1683
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1160416&CatId=1683
These seem like a good place to start.
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Spend the extra and get a 90nm socket 939 Athlon64. At this point buying a regular athlon XP or sempron cpu is pretty much just investing in old technology, and a good way to waste money. The athlon64 is only $60-100ish more than a Barton cpu and the motherboards aren't overpriced either. Check http://www.newegg.com. I like the msi K8N neo2 platinum motherboard (nvidia based) for only $110, and either the athlon64 3000+ for $149 or the 3200+ for $185. Add on a gig of either nice OCZ memory (expensive) or regular crucial.com memory (high quality but not uber expensive) for 2x $89.99 (2 sticks of 512 pc3200 DDR) and you're in business.
$110
$185
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$475
Toss in a thermalright heatsink and you're set, or spend the extra $20 and get the retail cpu instead of the OEM one and just use the mediocre AMD supplied heatsink and hope your case has enough airflow. The all copper thermalright heatsinks are the best air cooling solutions I've ever seen without exception, but they are very heavy. The thermalright aluminum ones also use heatpipes and cool almost as well as the copper ones but they weigh about 1/3 the copper ones so they're more hardware friendly. They all allow you to pick any type or size of fan you like, so you can get a good speed adjustable fan and turn the fan down for web browsing and up for gaming to keep the noise under control during normal use.
Don't forget a good power supply. I recently got a thermaltake silent purepower 480 for $55 at newegg. It has a fan speed adjustment knob that can go either in a front plate or backplate, and it's enough power for most mainstream gaming rigs. You don't really need 500+ watts unless you plan on adding in several hard drives plus one of the newest vid cards plus overclocking your cpu.
I just dropped $400 on an Nvidia 6800GT and it overclocks up to 6800 Ultra speeds pretty easily for $200 less. It's a bit overkill for AH2 but it would be a great match for an athlon64 gaming rig. Alternately, consider a regular nvidia 6800 or 6600GT for somewhere between $200 and $250.
That's what I'd get, and this is pretty much the parts list I've been considering for my own rig. I'd probably get the more expensive OCZ memory to allow for some overclocking overhead on the memory speed. OCZ platinum memory is nice and extremely fast, but it costs almost twice what the normal or value stuff costs.
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I concure, an Athlon 3000+ or whatever is pretty dated, and for not much more you can get a huge preformace increase. Athlon 64 is the way to go, and if you can swing it, the new 939 socket:aok
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http://arstechnica.com/guides/buyer/system-guide-200411.ars
That's the place to start.
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Originally posted by Wolf14
I'm thinking of going with the regular cpu not the 64.
As far as budget goes Im looking at somewhere between 400-500 for the cpu/ mb combo. Case, powersupply, and other stuff I'll either salvage from existing system or buy from various parts houses. But like I said I'm not familiar at all with AMD so I was looking at what cpu would be comparable to the Intel 3.2+ 800mghz or the other HT compatible chips.
As to what I have now is a 2.26ghz D845GBV combo with 512 megs ram and an ATI9000 Pro.
As far as overclocking goes its not important but if it was something I wanted to mess with I wanted my cpu/mb to allow my to do that without a lot of grief. Hell I guess the underlying thing of it all is that I am looking for a combo that will be really stable and allow me to expand with newer cpu's without having to buy a new motherboard everytime.
My Barton 2500+ and Soltek SL-75FRN-RL2 was under $200. It is exceptionally stable, even pumped WAY up. I'm running it at Barton 3000+ levels, and it benchmarks equivalent to a PIV 3.2.
While I can see the point in not spending money on dated technology, I really can't justify the current prices on real quality level AMD 64 stuff.
However, with a budget of $400 or more, you can go Athlon 64. I'd go 939 as well. I just haven't seen a motherboard I like.
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For sure you need to fork out the tad extra and get 90nm 939 pin chip. As far as the motherboard goes, you can either get a mature board with a via or nfroce3 chipset or you could try and get a Nfroce 4 chipset board. From what I see the nforce4 boards are going to get the performance title back from via, but I personally buy boards based on via up to date. Get two sticks of PC3200.
I highly recomment newegg.com as an online supplier. They do not always have the lowest price but they usually have very good shipping and their customer service is top notch should you need to use it. I buy EVERYTHING that I buy online from newegg.
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I have to agree with the gang... 939pin amd 64 is gonna give you the most upgrade ability out of all the current systems.
you would probly gain the most from just a video card upgrade as of right now .
the now older bartons are getting replaced by the semprons and becoming workstation type pc's .
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they have conflicts i have amd 2600 via chipset and i had
sb audigy z2 fps were awlfull did some reading found
that they have conflicts so.............i bought and old
yamaha dsxg sound card for 3 bucks on ebay
problem fixed i get steady 100 to 150 fps
just thought id share this info
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Originally posted by Slash27
For the money I wouldnt pass up the AMD64.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1133509&CatId=1683
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1160416&CatId=1683
These seem like a good place to start.
Slash has given you best deal out there. Tiger directs system is exactly what I just brought. and wish now I waited for this. I got the asus a8v 939 mother board and 3400 64bit amd cpu I thought my cost of under 300 was good. This you get alot more.
Frame rates for old system 1.8 p4 5900 gf on a 4agp board with pc2100 memory 1gig were around 30 to 40 depending map. Now using 3400 and asus mb 939 with new pc3500 memory 1 gig frame rates steady 85 to 140 depending map.
So buying this barebones not bad idea for 299 dollars you get alot more than I did for same price. PS building computer from bare bones is way easy. I'm a old fart computer dork and built my works fine.
! note tho You may want to get new HD Am told when you use old hd with intel was on then use amd 64 bit you can have problems.. New hd 8mb cache are now about 50 bucks.
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I would wait until next month when the new Athlon64 motherboards that will include SLI technology appear, especially if you are intending to upgrade your graphics processor. Then you can purchase a PCI-E card and have the opportunity to purchase a second (if you buy a 6600 or above card) 6 months from now for very cheap and run them together for cutting edge speed for less money. Plus the board will have all of the newer connections and components that will insure easy upgrades in the future. You really can't beat the Athlon64 setups for the power/cost ration that they offer. Plus AMD is releasing some lower end 939 pin chips for very cheap that you may want to start with, then upgrade when the expensive ones drop in the future. Just my 2 cents.
Higgins
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Wrong Forum
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schizer = skuzzy?
Or do we have a volunteer weekend forum police force?
I'm sure skuzzy will move the thread on Monday, so why worry about it?
:p
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Nforce 4 Chipsets run circles around the VIA chipsets for the AMD 64 Processors. Heck even the Nforce 3 250 series beats them. I just built a Nforce 3 250 MB, AMD 3200+ 64bit and 1 gig of ram just under $500.00. I ran bench marks with it and I currently running faster the P4 3.4 gig systems.
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Wolf14,
You're not short of CPU suggestions here. This thread has answered some questions I had about CPUs. guys.
When you've chosen your CPU, I would look to Asus for your mobo. I've built about four systems using Asus boards (including A7N8X-DLX, A7N8X-X, A7V333, A7V133) with an Athlon processor, and none of these systems has given even an ounce of trouble. Start at http://www.asus.com and do a search on AMD64. You should get a list of about ten boards. I've been pleased with the NForce chipset and would choose it again - maybe the K8N board.
Good luck in your search, and post back when you've decided!
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I am using the Asus K8N-E Deluxe right now which for those who don't know is the NForce 3 250 chipset. Excelent board. I have used Asus for all my systems so far and have not had a single hitch yet. About 5 yrs ago I built a system for a friend using an Asus board (believe it was a BX chipset at that time). I put in a PII 400 processor in it and installed 256 meg cas 2 133mhz ram and clock FSB to 133. Processor is running at 530mhz Something and still running today at that speed with no extra cooling or mods.
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The MSI K7 MoBo is about $100 if you're looking for a cheaper setup.
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Originally posted by beet1e
When you've chosen your CPU, I would look to Asus for your mobo. I've built about four systems using Asus boards (including A7N8X-DLX, A7N8X-X, A7V333, A7V133) with an Athlon processor, and none of these systems has given even an ounce of trouble. Start at http://www.asus.com and do a search on AMD64. You should get a list of about ten boards. I've been pleased with the NForce chipset and would choose it again - maybe the K8N board.
Good luck in your search, and post back when you've decided!
I like the ASUS too (have 3 A7N8Xs running in the house right now), but I can't say they've never had a problem. The onboard USB has not worked with one of my USB devices and no help from ASUS support at all. I have another with sproradic spontaneous reboots, but it may be due to my son fiddling with the memory DIMMs and not reseating them properly.
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Guys I cant say enough, I greatly appreciate all the help yall have provided. I am close to comming up on a move so my plans are going to be delayed.
As far as cpu goes I believe I'm gonna gun for an Athlon 3400+ 939.
On the motherboards I am split between ASUS and Gigabyte. I havent really decided on an ASUS board yet but for the Gigabyte I am leaning towards the GA- K8NS Ultra 939.
Although one of the 3400+ 939 systems from Tigerdirect with an upgraded power supply isnt out of the question either.
And again thanks for the help.
:)
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Hey all,
Stupid question - If the OS is not written for 64 bit or the Software is not written to use 64 bit do you see any benefit?
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Originally posted by mars01
Stupid question - If the OS is not written for 64 bit or the Software is not written to use 64 bit do you see any benefit?
Mars,
Not a stupid question. I wondered the same thing. Check out my thread about this: http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=128638
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Hmm, thanks Beet. Seems not an easy question either lol.
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I read this from AMD official site and decided to forget the idea of the Athlon 64 bit sys. Why? Because i basically just play Aces High.
AMD Athlon™ 64 Processor Overview
The AMD Athlon 64 processor is the first and only Windows®-compatible 64-bit PC processor. The AMD Athlon 64 processor runs on AMD64, a revolutionary technology that allows the processor to run 32-bit applications at full speed while enabling a new generation of powerful 64-bit software applications. Advanced 64-bit operating systems designed for the AMD64 platform from Microsoft, Red Hat, SuSE, and TurboLinux have already been announced.
With the introduction of the AMD Athlon 64 processor, AMD provides customers a solution that can address their current and future computing needs. As the first desktop PC processor to run on the AMD64 platform, the AMD Athlon 64 processor helps ensure superior performance on today’s software with readiness for the coming wave of 64-bit computing. With AMD64 technology, customers can embrace the new capabilities of 64-bit computing on their own terms and achieve compatibility with existing software and operating systems.
Enhanced Virus Protection with Windows® XP Service Pack 2
Enhanced virus protection is a feature of AMD64 technology. Security improvements in the Windows XP SP2 operating system take advantage of the enhanced virus protection feature in AMD64 processors to prevent the spread of certain viruses, like MSBlaster and Slammer, significantly reducing the cost and down-time associated with similar viruses and improving the protection of computers and personal information1 against certain PC viruses.
Industry-leading performance for today’s software
The revolutionary architecture of the AMD Athlon 64 processor enables industry-leading performance to help maximize productivity and deliver a true-to-life digital entertainment experience. HyperTransport™ technology can increase overall system performance by removing I/O bottlenecks, increasing system bandwidth, and reducing system latency. A fully integrated DDR memory controller helps speed access to memory by offering the processor a direct connection to the main memory. As a result, end users can enjoy quicker application loading and extraordinary application performance.
With 3DNow!™ Professional technology and support for SSE2, the AMD Athlon 64 processor has more ways to accelerate multimedia applications, enabling stellar performance when working with audio, video, and photography software. For a superior experience with high-speed Internet, the AMD Athlon 64 processor combines high-speed memory access and I/O connectivity to help ensure that end users can fully take advantage of a broadband connection to streaming video and audio, and a riveting online gaming experience.
Ready for the 64-bit future
The AMD Athlon 64 processor is designed for people who want to stay at the forefront of technology and for those who depend on their PCs to keep them connected, informed, and entertained. Systems based on AMD Athlon 64 processors are able to deliver leading-edge performance for demanding productivity and entertainment software today and in the future.
With AMD64 technology, the AMD Athlon 64 processor is fully compatible with existing software, while enabling a seamless transition to upcoming 64-bit applications. Both 32- and 64-bit applications can run simultaneously and transparently on the same platform. AMD64 technology enables new, cinematic computing experiences and capabilities, in addition to increased performance. AMD64 technology allows end users to take advantage of new innovations such as real-time encryption, more life-like games, accurate speech interfaces, cinema-quality graphic effects, and easy-to-use video and audio editing.
Protect investments with a technically superior PC processor
The AMD Athlon 64 processor is the world’s most technically advanced PC processor and the only Windows-compatible 64-bit PC processor. Advanced technologies in the AMD Athlon 64 processor include:
AMD64 technology which doubles the number of processor registers and dramatically increases the system memory addressability
Enhanced multimedia instructions support including 3DNow! Professional technology and SSE2
With up to a 2000 MHz system bus using HyperTransport technology with up to 14.4 GB/sec total processor-to-system bandwidth
An integrated memory controller with peak memory bandwidth of up to 6.4 GB/sec, supporting PC3200, PC2700, PC2100, or PC1600 DDR SDRAM
Native execution of 32-bit software, allowing today’s PC software to provide leading-edge performance while enabling a seamless migration to 64-bit software
The combination of these innovations and features provides customers with performance they need along with tremendous flexibility. Customers can experience outstanding performance running today’s applications and prepare for the next generation of software without having to upgrade or change hardware. For business customers, this extends system life cycles, simplifies technology transition and reduces total cost of ownership.
Purchase with confidence
The AMD Athlon 64 processor is the only industry standard x86 processor with the ability to move beyond the limits of 32-bit computing. The AMD Athlon 64 processor is compatible with Microsoft Windows XP and tens of thousands of PC applications that people around the world use every day. The award-winning AMD Athlon XP processor won over 100 industry accolades and was the first 1GHz PC processor. Now, the AMD Athlon 64 processor reaches a new milestone by building a path to 64-bit computing for millions of PC users.
Founded in 1969, AMD has shipped more than 240 million PC processors worldwide. Customers can depend on the AMD Athlon 64 processor and AMD for compatibility and reliability. AMD processors undergo extensive testing to help ensure compatibility with Microsoft Windows XP, Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows NT®, Windows 2000, as well as Linux and other PC operating systems. AMD works collaboratively with Microsoft and other partners to achieve compatibility of AMD processors and to expand the capability of software and hardware products leveraging AMD64 technology. AMD conducts rigorous research, development, and validation to help ensure the continued integrity and performance of its products.
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im using a k8n-e asus board with a 3400+ 64 , very stable , no issues . I noticed a big jump from my a7n8x-dlx amd 3200+ xp combo. GL
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id wait..
thier comeing out with PCI express now, and soon, agp will be obsolete.
im waiting till next year
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Do get the Athlon 64 threy dont cost much more, have much better perfeormnance, run cooler and are easier to work with because of the chips heat spreaders which makes it much safer to install the heatsink with less risk of damage to the cpu.
Oh I wouldnt get the 3400+, get the 3200+ which is built on 90 nanometer technolgy which means it will run muh cooler. The perfpormance difference prolly wont matter much but I think the cooler running will improve long term reliabilty and stabuility.
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I love AMD built over 83 pc's with them. I am running a 2500 Barton chip now that’s runs great at 3100 11.5x190 fsb with just a good CPU thermaltake fan, over clocked no problem. In Asus mobo A7N8X Deluxe and duel channel 1GB of DDR ram. Chip is 90 bucks and the mobo is about 88. That’s it and get any case you want. Only thing is AMD has now locked all the Multipliers to there chip's so you would have to find an older chips that are unlocked. If you can’t find one than the new 2600 bartons still will take a 185 fsb setting and runs great. I can find you the dates on when AMD had the Barton multipliers unlocked but will have to look it up for you if you are interested.
For only around 170 bucks for chip and board it will run any game out there to date with no problem at all. I would wait on the 64's and you still have good ram you can use and case for later date. BTW I used http://www.newegg.com for all my stuff I get never have a problem and they always work with ya.
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Originally posted by Wolf14
I am thinking of putting together myself a new computer using an AMD processor. Thing is I don't know much about AMD stuff.
Can any of you AMD guys recomend a good motherboard/ cpu combo?
I am looking for a good combo that has good high end specs in a stock set-up but will also let me overclock if I decide to play around.
I'm running an MSI Neo mobo (I think the model number is K8N? dunno, if you're interested I'll look) and an athlon64 3200+. I highly recommend this combo, particularly the AMD64's in general. I noticed a huge increase in performance going from an XP2800 running at 3200 speeds to a 64bit running at 3200 stock. Plus the 64bit version of windows is coming out this spring... windows sucks, but PC's still have the gaming market cornered :(
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Some very interesting stuff here...anyone know if I can put a 3200+ on my ECS k7s5a Mobo?
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Originally posted by RedBeard
I like the ASUS too (have 3 A7N8Xs running in the house right now), but I can't say they've never had a problem. The onboard USB has not worked with one of my USB devices and no help from ASUS support at all. I have another with sproradic spontaneous reboots, but it may be due to my son fiddling with the memory DIMMs and not reseating them properly.
I've had similar issues with ASUS P4P MBs. Only two of the USB ports recognize my Fuji 5200 camera, but recognize my Kodak 7930... Beats me as to why. Seems to be a common thing. Likewise, my X-45 only works with the rear USB ports. On two ports, it will not initialize the stick unless you restart by cutting power at the UPS instead of the standard auto-shutdown.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by mars01
Hey all,
Stupid question - If the OS is not written for 64 bit or the Software is not written to use 64 bit do you see any benefit?
No.
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Just got the AMD 64 system from TigerDirect running.
Originally purchased the combo with the 3400 cpu, but got CPU failed test on first boot. Traced this to un-matched RAM, was running twin Corsair 2x256 pc 3200 and 1-512mb stick. Booted fine after removing the 512 stick( as per instructions from ASUS support) They also said the latency timings of the ram have to match, so I'll be upgrading to 2x512 sticks of dual channel ram.
Should've called first b4 exchanging the 3400 for the 3500 retail box...lost my rebate over this. Just make sure the heatsink you get is of good quality, the Masscool one it ships with is very "cheap". At least they over-nighted it to me for free.
ASUS A8V deluxe
AMD64-3500 cpu
BFG 6800GT oc
2x256 twin Corsair XMS pc3200 ram
400W psu
Audigy 2ZS soundcard...no problems Skuzzy w/VIA chipset.
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Originally posted by Slash27
For the money I wouldnt pass up the AMD64.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1133509&CatId=1683
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1160416&CatId=1683
These seem like a good place to start.
Tigerdirect was recommended to me by a couple of techs. They always follow-up on your rebates for ya. Good service, too. Or, so I've been told.
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Originally posted by 68DevilM
id wait..
thier comeing out with PCI express now, and soon, agp will be obsolete.
im waiting till next year
Looked it up: http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/P/PCI_Express.html
Question...is the PCI Express card simply backward compatible without the added benefit? Or, will a 2-yr old system see the difference in speed when adding a PCI Express card? (just curious...not shopping, now)
Thank you!
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An AGP card or a PCI card will not work in a PCI Express slot.
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Originally posted by Karnak
An AGP card or a PCI card will not work in a PCI Express slot.
cc. and, i would imagine that one cannot add PCI Express to an older motherboard, right? duh...of course not.
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Originally posted by Wolf14
Guys I cant say enough, I greatly appreciate all the help yall have provided. I am close to comming up on a move so my plans are going to be delayed.
As far as cpu goes I believe I'm gonna gun for an Athlon 3400+ 939.
On the motherboards I am split between ASUS and Gigabyte. I havent really decided on an ASUS board yet but for the Gigabyte I am leaning towards the GA- K8NS Ultra 939.
Although one of the 3400+ 939 systems from Tigerdirect with an upgraded power supply isnt out of the question either.
And again thanks for the help.
:)
Great advice all around.
I always use Gigabyte mobos and AMD CPU's, never an issue... the dual BIOS feature comes in real handy, a BIOS update is as easy as running the app they provide.. it gets the latest from thier server you're done.
But you can't go wrong with Asus or MSI either.
I just put a 'budget' gaming system together for a friend, XP3200+, Gigabyte K7 Triton (supports 8 HD's...lol), 1G PC3200... 256M 5700le clocked to 400mhz... it was super cheap and runs like a 190 on crack.
Else the A64 is the only way to go for a few extra bucks.
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This is the mb/cpu I use http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1178956&CatId=1734 I love it also have the ATI 9800 XT 256 meg vedio card with it ...
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Originally posted by mars01
Hey all,
Stupid question - If the OS is not written for 64 bit or the Software is not written to use 64 bit do you see any benefit?
no, but K8 (all a64 chips) core design is still much faster than the old K7 design
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aztec look up your old thread in hardware software , i found the info for your board and posted it some time ago
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I recently put together a cheap system---Athlon 754 3200, Asus K87SE board (does SATA raid), GeForce 5700 (256 bit) whole mess was like 400 bucks, get 59 frames with EVERTHING maxed. ..How much more ya need? This is soo cool, I can fly fighter missions now--like whole new game
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Originally posted by bj229r
I recently put together a cheap system---Athlon 754 3200, Asus K87SE board (does SATA raid), GeForce 5700 (256 bit) whole mess was like 400 bucks, get 59 frames with EVERTHING maxed. ..How much more ya need? This is soo cool, I can fly fighter missions now--like whole new game
bj, how are your frame rates when you're down low in the weeds in a furball? Everything smooth?
culero (considering an upgrade soon)
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with smoke and stuff, multi-cons..gets into low 40's sometimes--cant say this setup will be useful in 2 years, but its plenty good right now--my frames were70-ish before i had to rollback drivers---the 66.93 Nvidea drivers were GREAT whilein AH, but id get blue screen of death alt-tabbing back in )
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Hitech are we going to have 64 bit AH for 64bit Windows ?
(do you see... i dont even bother you with AH on Open solaris )
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wolfie... I musta got your email wrong. Email me.
lazs