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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Creamo on November 28, 2004, 05:40:39 PM
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It's still fun.
I'm sure ESPN will have the clip, T.O. flopping like a bad WWF flunky was hilarious. I watched it live and they didn't do it justice on replay. I'm just glad Charter Cable finally showed a real game. No 49er's or Gayders. Good times.
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One of the best things I saw so far this year is the week after the T.O. controversy with the monday night skit. Im watching the NFL prime time show before the sunday night game and the announcers all just finish thier rant about how inappropriate it was and this and that. So then they cut to comercial, about the 4th comercial in there is a girl dressed in lingere on a bed with a guy and guess what the comercial is for, thats right "Desperate Houswives". I laughed so hard, I mean this comercial was worse than the skit, freaking idiots.
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Portis sux.
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Da Stilllers!!!!
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Chargers!
Ohh wait this is NFL. Nevermind, Huskies. Damn they are out to. Um Sooners!
Today was one of the few days when i watched NFL because i dislocated toe on WEd and im not allowed to do anything so i sit and watch NFL. Good Game between San Diego and Kansas City Chiefs. I didn't want to watch New England Balitmore, to lop sided.
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Althought the games on Thanksgiving lacked any excitement Peyton Manning (Ind. Colts) is a pleasure to watch. He's probably going to break the TD Passing Record (In a Single Season) held by Marino. Best QB to play the game.
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Originally posted by EN4CER
Althought the games on Thanksgiving lacked any excitement Peyton Manning (Ind. Colts) is a pleasure to watch. He's probably going to break the TD Passing Record (In a Single Season) held by Marino. Best QB to play the game.
I do think Manning is one of the best to ever play and he is doing some amazing things this year but the one thing you have to look at is who he has faced this year. Most of them have had HORRIBLE secondaries, but even still he is great to watch.
P.S.- I wouldnt call him the best to play the game because I dont think you can call anyone that. There have been too many changes to the game to be able to call one persont he best in all of history. He certainly is among the best. Bart Starr was an amazing QB but football didnt have the passing attack like it does today, Joe Nameth was also amazing as well as Marino and Montana they are some of the best. But todays football is so different in alot of ways. Thats why I always say that there are the group of best players and they include alot of guys.
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Originally posted by RTStuka
One of the best things I saw so far this year is the week after the T.O. controversy with the monday night skit. Im watching the NFL prime time show before the sunday night game and the announcers all just finish thier rant about how inappropriate it was and this and that. So then they cut to comercial, about the 4th comercial in there is a girl dressed in lingere on a bed with a guy and guess what the comercial is for, thats right "Desperate Houswives". I laughed so hard, I mean this comercial was worse than the skit, freaking idiots.
it's a conspiracy manufactured by the beer brewers.....they don't want any comercials to be raunchier than theirs!
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
it's a conspiracy manufactured by the beer brewers.....they don't want any comercials to be raunchier than theirs!
LOL nice
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Originally posted by EN4CER
Best QB to play the game.
lol
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Best QB to play the game.
LOL
Not yet.
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CREAMO And your choice would be ............?
Peyton Manning is a destined Hall of Famer and deserves seat in the Top 5 and currently I put him at #1 - IMO.
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Well Enforcer, he certainly is way up there.
IMHO he needs to win a Super Bowl or two before consideration as the best.
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I know you didn't ask me but my answer to your question would be: Johnny U.
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Unitas. Staubach. Montana (even though I hate the 49er's). Bradshaw. Even QB's like Plunkett and Brady (and God, oh God do I hate the Pat's) rate above Manning.
Why? Because they led their teams to Super Bowls (Note I said "led". That way Dilfer doesn't count).
Manning is one of the best to ever play the position. But he wont be one of the greatest until he leads them to a Super Bowl. And it's not his fault his defense will keep that from happening. It happened to his dad. It happened to Marino. And to players like Ted Williams, Sir Charles, Karl Malone, Tarkenton, and many others. Sucks to be them.
What do players like Dr. J, Elway, Yzerman and Hakkem all have in common? They made sure they will always be considered some of the greatest at their sports becuase they won the big one. As it has always been, so it will always be.
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Originally posted by EN4CER
CREAMO And your choice would be ............?
Peyton Manning is a destined Hall of Famer and deserves seat in the Top 5 and currently I put him at #1 - IMO.
It's not only fun, it's funny. You go girl.
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nobody mentioned Bradshaw?
:D
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Winning a super bowl has nothing to do when comparing 2 quarterbacks based upon pure talent, abilities, and numbers they put up. Winning a super bowl does factor in when comparing 2 TEAMS. IMHO having a quarterback who does put up impressive numbers on a average or sub-average teams is more of a credit to him. Think about if Jerry Rice would have been drafted to another team, would we be talking so much about Joe Montana as much? Vice versa? Kansas City has the best O-line in football and one of the best blocking fullbacks in the game. I am a HUGE KC fan, and I don't want to discredit Priest Holmes a bit, but the fact of the o-line, the blocking fullback, and the passing threat of the overall team factors in heavily into the records he has. Put him (healthy) on the 49ers right now and they will BOTH go nowhere.
It is too easy to be an armchair quarterback and discredit Marino, Kelly, and others who did not win the super bowl. Who would you rather have on your team, Dilfer or Marino-Kelly ( in their prime)
Winning a super bowl usually is a factor of a great quarterback, but too many other options factor in.
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OK, I missed it. I was having an NFL free zone today. Did someone lay out Owens?
If winning the "big one" is all that matters, does that mean Aikman was one of the greatest to ever play the game? Certainly it makes him twice as good as Unitas? No, not by a long shot. Championships are won by great TEAMS, not great PLAYERS.
If I had to rank the top 5 modern QB's:
5. Peyton Manning
4. Warren Moon
3. Dan Marino
2. John Elway
1. Joe Montana
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Montana did fine AND won super bowls before Rice was around.
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Warren Moon over Brett Favre?
Rofl
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Favre might crack the top 10. Certainly not better than Moon. Moon took some pretty pitiful teams to the title game.
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Originally posted by EN4CER
CREAMO And your choice would be ............?
Peyton Manning is a destined Hall of Famer and deserves seat in the Top 5 and currently I put him at #1 - IMO.
You've gotta be kidding me, man. Top 5? No.
It's his offense. He's not an outstanding/unbelievable field general like Marino was. Marino had to stick with static plays made by the coach --- yeah, he could audible at the line, but he couldn't make his own plays. Manning is allowed to do so (just like Bradshaw, but Bradshaw could do that because he was too stupid to learn a playbook).
Just look at Timmy Chang (Hawaii). He has the perfect passing offense, but he's a just plain average Quarterback. He has a relatively poor release. Quick as it is, it's spastic. Manning has a poor release that looks much like Johnny Unitas' release.
Let's not forget pressure situations! Manning can't do a damn thing under pressure. He gets happy feet whenever there's a blitz, and a sack is usually a given. Was it that way with Marino? No. It was an accomplishment to sack Marino, because he had very good footwork and agility, even though he was as slow an average high school player.
Put 27-year-old Marino on Manning's Colts. I guarantee you that Marino would easily have better stats than Peyton.
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Did you forget about Marino's bum leg? He was about as mobile as a D-9 Caterpillar with a busted track.
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Favre might crack the top 10. Certainly not better than Moon. Moon took some pretty pitiful teams to the title game.
Lol you're as whacky about football as you are about politics.
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Originally posted by EN4CER
And your choice would be ............?
Well, putting aside all the stats, if I was to pick a QB who was best in his prime, and had all the tools, that would be Steve Young. Never did I think a QB could complete over 70% of his passes. On top of all his skills, he could run the ball very well, one of the best at it. I have watched Elway, Marino, Montana, etc., but watching Steve Young was something to see. Those couple of years with the 49ers were the best I ever saw.
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Young was the best I ever saw. If he hadn't started out late due to the USFL and Joe Montana, and finished early due to a concussion, you wouldn't even be talking about these other guys.
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Steve Young was very good. Unfortunately, he had to wait behind Montana for a good chunk of his career.
Steve, I don't have a mancrush on Favre like you and Cheeseheads, Inc. He's OK, but no Top 5 or 10. He falls somewhere between Jim Plunkett and Kenny Stabler on the all time list.
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With only 6 years experiance I'd say its a bit early to label anyone as "the best ever".
How great someone is should be measured by the sum of their carreer and not just half of it.
While very very talented QB
Manning has a long way to go before he can be fairly compaired to the Elways, the Marinos,the Montanas and the Starbucks just to name a few.
And while many of these guys never called their own plays, These QB still had to lead their team by throwing to the right people.
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Originally posted by Fruda
Let's not forget pressure situations! Manning can't do a damn thing under pressure. He gets happy feet whenever there's a blitz, and a sack is usually a given. Was it that way with Marino? No.
Let’s take the iron crowbar of reality to this statement.
Marino’s ’84 season: 13 sacks. That’s one sack for every 43 attempts, one sack for every 28 completions, and one sack for every 3.7 touchdowns.
So far Manning has been sacked 6 times. That’s one sack for every 59 attempts, one sack for every 40 completions, and one sack for every 7 touchdown.
Next?
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Curious.
How many come from behind wins does Manning have?
I dont mean the down by 3 or 4 in the final 2 minutes in an already close game. But the type that Elway, Montana, and Marino were famous for, down by 2,3,4 scores and comming back in the final quarter.
Those games so long as there was enough time on the clock you KNEW these guys had a real chance of pulling out the win.
Another thing Manning doesnt have going in his favor is the type of defences he has to face.
Someone mentioned about playcalling and alot of these older guys didnt call their own plays.
True.
But also the game rules are such now that they are so geared to let the offence score that Im not too sure Manning would have the type of success he has had if he had to go against defences like that of the Bears in their Super Bowl team. Or the Steel Curtin, Or the Purple People Eaters.
the Defences were just so much more dominant back then.
How many truely GREAT Defences do you see these days?
My point is, Take these QBs of old and they would do VERY well in todays game. Probably better then Manning or Farve or any of a half dozen others
But Take todays QBs and Im not so sure they would be nearly as effective back then.
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Originally posted by myelo
Let’s take the iron crowbar of reality to this statement.
Marino’s ’84 season: 13 sacks. That’s one sack for every 43 attempts, one sack for every 28 completions, and one sack for every 3.7 touchdowns.
So far Manning has been sacked 6 times. That’s one sack for every 59 attempts, one sack for every 40 completions, and one sack for every 7 touchdown.
Next?
OR, this crowbar of reality
totaling 7 years.
this being Mannings 7th year (but this year isnt over yet)
Manning sacked 132 times (6 this year so far)
Marino sacked 83 times (after 7 full years)
Mannings 6 (so far) this year matches Marinos best of 6 in 1988
Marino has had 6 years where he got sacked 10 or less times on the entire year over his entire carreer.
Mannings total to date is 1 (this year)
On the other End manning has been sacked 20 or more times 4 years of the 7 years he's been playing.
By comparison Marino has had only 5 in 16 years.
Sacks arent always a good comparison though as much has to do with the offencive line. (THE single most important positions in the game)
Without the O line nothing happens. A Great O line makes even a mediocre QB like say..Phil Sims look great. and a Crappy line will make a superstar look like an amature
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Originally posted by rpm
Steve Young was very good. Unfortunately, he had to wait behind Montana for a good chunk of his career.
Steve, I don't have a mancrush on Favre like you and Cheeseheads, Inc. He's OK, but no Top 5 or 10. He falls somewhere between Jim Plunkett and Kenny Stabler on the all time list.
You must be on some sort of drugs, of course he is easily in the top ten, look at the numbers.
1 Super Bowl (plus another apperance)
3 MVPs
11 Seasons with 3,000 or more yards passing that places him 3rd on the list all time.
Tied for 3rd all time with most touchdowns in a season as well as most consecutive seasons leading the league in touchdowns.
Ranked 3rd with most touchdowns in a career.
Currently 4th (Soon to be 5th) all time in TDs in one season (39)
He has 14 games with 4 or more TDs in a game that puts him at 3rd on the list.
He also ranks 3rd with 5 games with 4 tds or more in a single season.
He is also ranked like 3rd or 4th I think (not 100% sure) on the list of all time for consecutive games with a touchdown pass thrown.
Now lets not forget he is about to start his 200th start of his career, he is a true player and loves the game. If you can make an argumetn against that on why he doesnt deserve easy top ten listings then good job. Not to mention that anyone one in the sports fields who have much more knowledge than you on this subject always have him in the top 10, usually top 5.
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Great QB's no particular order
Young
Montana
Moon
Marino
Elway
Bradshaw
Aikman
Starbach
Unitas
Farve
Manning
And I am sure I am missing a few
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Something like that, yes.
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Good Game between San Diego and Kansas City Chiefs. I didn't want to watch New England Balitmore, to lop sided.
This game would of been a lot better had the Chiefs won. :(
68Parker
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Its looking like the best call the Chargers this year made was getting rid of Manning. Think about it, if he had accepted being part of the chargers and not cried like a little ***** and if daddy hadnt be there to help him from going to them he probably would have started. I do believe he will be a good QB but he needs time so the chargers would have had another toilet year. Instead he goes to the Giants where it looks like they may miss the playoffs meanwhile the chargers are on fire, good call by their front office.
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Favre's competition is lax in comparison. Green Bay has had no major compeditor in their division other than Minnesota. It's hardly the NFC East of past years with 3 or 4 legit title contenders in the division. It's like Bowl rankings, if you play lesser teams you get less credit. Don't get me wrong, he's a good QB with a strong arm.
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What, not even an honorable mention for Kurt Warner? What about Vinnie Testaverde? No Trent Green? May not be quite Brett Favre, but come on. And how about Dante Culpepper?
Now I admit Warner turned out to be a bit fragile. Of course if he'd had an offensive line that could stop a stampeding boy scout troop maybe he would have lasted long enough to truly fulfill his potential. He could have been another Favre. Now he's just a second-string vet waiting to retire.
I still stand behind Vinnie as one of the best, although even I admit he's getting a little slow in his old age. The Jets were just plain stupid to let him go.
I was joking about Trent Green.
Dante is one hell of a good QB. He may not have the numbers and records yet, but he will. If he stays healthy.
My #1 pick is Favre. He's a leader. He inspires the men that play for him, and he has made some of the most incredible come-from-behind wins I've ever seen. Even with only seconds left on the clock, you count him out at your peril.
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"How many come from behind wins does Manning have?
I dont mean the down by 3 or 4 in the final 2 minutes in an already close game. But the type that Elway, Montana, and Marino were famous for, down by 2,3,4 scores and comming back in the final quarter.
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for your consideration.
4 minutes.
"Going into the fourth quarter, Tampa led 28-7. The Colts' Ricky Williams scored a touchdown early in the quarter but then, when a pass by Manning was intercepted by Ronde Barber and returned for a touchdown, the Colts looked doomed. With four minutes left in the game, the score was 35-14. No team in NFL history had ever won a game after being behind by 21 points with four minutes left.
Beginning an amazing series of events, Brad Pyatt returned a kickoff 90 yards, setting up a touchdown run by James Mungro. Idrees Bashir came down with the onside kick and, six plays later, Manning threw a touchdown pass to Harrison. After the Colts defense held the Bucs, Manning threw a 52-yard strike to Harrison, setting up a 1-yard touchdown run by Williams. The game was tied at 35 with 26 second left. In overtime, the Bucs stalled and the Colts took over, marching the ball down the field to give Mike Vanderjagt a chance to win the game with a 40-yard field goal. He missed. But the referees, who had been assessing penalties all night, called Tampa's Simeon Rice for "leaping", giving Vanderjagt another chance. His kick was deflected, hit the right upright and banked through. The victory gave the Colts their first 5-0 start since 1977 and left the Buccaneers, whose league-best defense had allowed 35 second-half points to be scored, stunned.
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Originally posted by Pongo
"How many come from behind wins does Manning have?
I dont mean the down by 3 or 4 in the final 2 minutes in an already close game. But the type that Elway, Montana, and Marino were famous for, down by 2,3,4 scores and comming back in the final quarter.
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for your consideration.
4 minutes.
"Going into the fourth quarter, Tampa led 28-7. The Colts' Ricky Williams scored a touchdown early in the quarter but then, when a pass by Manning was intercepted by Ronde Barber and returned for a touchdown, the Colts looked doomed. With four minutes left in the game, the score was 35-14. No team in NFL history had ever won a game after being behind by 21 points with four minutes left.
Beginning an amazing series of events, Brad Pyatt returned a kickoff 90 yards, setting up a touchdown run by James Mungro. Idrees Bashir came down with the onside kick and, six plays later, Manning threw a touchdown pass to Harrison. After the Colts defense held the Bucs, Manning threw a 52-yard strike to Harrison, setting up a 1-yard touchdown run by Williams. The game was tied at 35 with 26 second left. In overtime, the Bucs stalled and the Colts took over, marching the ball down the field to give Mike Vanderjagt a chance to win the game with a 40-yard field goal. He missed. But the referees, who had been assessing penalties all night, called Tampa's Simeon Rice for "leaping", giving Vanderjagt another chance. His kick was deflected, hit the right upright and banked through. The victory gave the Colts their first 5-0 start since 1977 and left the Buccaneers, whose league-best defense had allowed 35 second-half points to be scored, stunned.
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Nice comeback, That is "a" game. But I asked "how many" not if.
Not because Im trying to knock Manning but because I dont know.
There are many marks to a "great" QB One of those things is in being able to consistantly rally your team from behind, Elway was known for it. And possibly the best at it,
Also Marino, Montana and a few others.
Alot of QBs have had incredible single games including one Rookie for the Cowboys (I forget his name) who never ended up being anything more then a backup.
Like I said Im not knocking Manning.
Its still too soon to be making claims of "Best ever"
Look at Warner. For a few years he was a great QB.
Would anyone still make that claim of him now?
I kno0w I wouldnt. I'd say he is a very good QB, but I wouldnt call him great
For me you wait untill a players carreer is either over or close to it before anyone can make any honest comparisons
And so much has changed in the game in favor of offence Making claims of greatest ever on any current QB or receiver and to a lesser degree RB is a really tough call.
They almost play two entirely different games
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Alot of QBs have had incredible single games including one Rookie for the Cowboys (I forget his name) who never ended up being anything more then a backup.
Clint Longley or Gary Hogeboom. Both were one hit wonders.
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"Great QB's no particular order
Young
Montana
Moon
Marino
Elway
Bradshaw
Aikman
Starbach
Unitas
Farve
Manning
And I am sure I am missing a few"
Dan Fouts could be added to this list. imo anyways.
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Dan Fouts, Archie Manning, Dan Pastorini all great QB's that were hamstrung by bad teams. Gotta throw George Blanda in the list somewhere. The man was a machine.
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Dreidock.
The man has been MVP of the league. He is on track to score the most touchdowns in a season by a considerable margin. He has been a starter since the first game after the draft he was picked in. He has started every game since he was drafted I think. 6 years. In a league without Farve it is Mannings longevity that would be the amazing story. Hes at 120 games or something.
I presented you with one of the greatest if not the greatest late game combacks in history against the superbowl champions sporting one of the most dominant defenses of their generation.. A game that started the absolute slide of that team.
You asked.
Manning is not one of the top 10 quarterbacks in history. He is one of the top 3 in skill. But superbowls do matter. Without one he will never be fully recognised.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
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are a long lost hope.
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Manning is a studmuffin.
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Originally posted by rpm
Dan Fouts, Archie Manning, Dan Pastorini all great QB's that were hamstrung by bad teams. Gotta throw George Blanda in the list somewhere. The man was a machine.
I was wondering when someone was going to mention Dan Fouts. He had some monster games with the Chargers.
"Air Coryel" was fun to watch.
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Jim Plunket (the man could win the big game)
Bart Starr (QB'ed some of the best teams to play the game)
Kenny Stabler (a winner. Always dangerous. Would've won more than just one if they hadn't been playing at the same time as the Steelers)
Jim Kelly (hell of a QB, but suffers from Tarkantonitis)
Troy Aikman (had a great D, but so did Bradshaw. Had talented supporting cast, but so did most of these guys. You don't win three Super Bowls and not be damn good)
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Originally posted by Dune
Jim Plunket (the man could win the big game)
Bart Starr (QB'ed some of the best teams to play the game)
Kenny Stabler (a winner. Always dangerous. Would've won more than just one if they hadn't been playing at the same time as the Steelers)
Jim Kelly (hell of a QB, but suffers from Tarkantonitis)
Troy Aikman (had a great D, but so did Bradshaw. Had talented supporting cast, but so did most of these guys. You don't win three Super Bowls and not be damn good)
Are you freakin KIDDING me?!?
Jim Plunkett completed less than 50% of his passes careerwise, and in his two Super Bowl wins he was surrounded by great talent.
Bart Starr was on the best team in football and was no better than third or fourth among QBs for his day- Unitas, Jourgensen, Gabriel, Tarkenton were all better, and Tittle was as good.
Kenny Stabler isn't in the Hall of Fame, nor will he ever be- he threw more INTs than TDs, but that was partly because he threw games and shaved points to support his extravigant lifestyle and cocaine habit. He could have been better.
Jim Kelly is the biggest choke artist there's been since Linda Lovelace. You look at every Buffalo Super Bowl loss and you'll see it's because of Jim Kelly. He always fumbled, always threw that interception that cost the Bills victory. I'd respect him more if he'd have thrown all those Super Bowls because he had a drug habit- instead he choked because he sucks.
Troy Aikman had a good run, but Troy Aikman is mentally retarded. He DID have a committed owner willing to open his checkbook, a Hall of Fame running back, a Hall of Fame wideout, and a great coach who could explain the X's and O's of football so that even Troy could understand, but his career was short due to shots to the head- he never had much to give up to begin with, and today the poor bastard can't even tie his own shoes.
In short, Dune, you don't know beans about great quarterbacks, do you? Great quarterbacks are guys like Otto Graham- Sammy Baugh- Johnny Unitas- not that list of freakin losers YOU posted.
I suggest that in the future when us men gather here to discuss sports, cigars, firearms or whiskey you listen instead of throwing out your Annie Green Springs comments. Your list really pisses me off.
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Originally posted by Airhead
Are you freakin KIDDING me?!?
Jim Plunkett completed less than 50% of his passes careerwise, and in his two Super Bowl wins he was surrounded by great talent.
Bart Starr was on the best team in football and was no better than third or fourth among QBs for his day- Unitas, Jourgensen, Gabriel, Tarkenton were all better, and Tittle was as good.
Kenny Stabler isn't in the Hall of Fame, nor will he ever be- he threw more INTs than TDs, but that was partly because he threw games and shaved points to support his extravigant lifestyle and cocaine habit. He could have been better.
Jim Kelly is the biggest choke artist there's been since Linda Lovelace. You look at every Buffalo Super Bowl loss and you'll see it's because of Jim Kelly. He always fumbled, always threw that interception that cost the Bills victory. I'd respect him more if he'd have thrown all those Super Bowls because he had a drug habit- instead he choked because he sucks.
Troy Aikman had a good run, but Troy Aikman is mentally retarded. He DID have a committed owner willing to open his checkbook, a Hall of Fame running back, a Hall of Fame wideout, and a great coach who could explain the X's and O's of football so that even Troy could understand, but his career was short due to shots to the head- he never had much to give up to begin with, and today the poor bastard can't even tie his own shoes.
In short, Dune, you don't know beans about great quarterbacks, do you? Great quarterbacks are guys like Otto Graham- Sammy Baugh- Johnny Unitas- not that list of freakin losers YOU posted.
I suggest that in the future when us men gather here to discuss sports, cigars, firearms or whiskey you listen instead of throwing out your Annie Green Springs comments. Your list really pisses me off.
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I think someone needs a hug.....
Heres another thing to think about, listening to sports raido this morning and they were asking what was more impressive, Favre or Ripkens streaks. Personally I think its like comparing apples and oranges you cant compare those two, they were both amazing and both are great players.
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Airhead's just grumpy. Probably od'ed on Metamucil or something.
Look up in the thread you silly bugger. Those guys were add-ons of other QB's. My choices would be Unitas, Staubach, Montana and Bradshaw.
Jurgonson? As in Sonny "I weigh 400 pounds and could eat a small child if you gave me enough beer" Jurgonson?
ttttthhhhhbbbttttt!!!
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Another Marino record bites the dust, favre has thrown 20 or more TDs in 11 or more seasons. I gotta feel bad for this guy, he is getting tore up this year. So far Brett has broken 2 of his records and payton has at least 1 I believe and is on the verge of breaking another. But it shows how great he was to have held all of those titles for as long as he did. You know what they say records are made to be broken.
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Airhead is just sore about nobody mentioning his mancrush Joe "Snap" Theisman.
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Originally posted by EN4CER
CREAMO And your choice would be ............?
Peyton Manning is a destined Hall of Famer and deserves seat in the Top 5 and currently I put him at #1 - IMO.
Let's see, I'm a Tennessee Volunteers fan. Whilst he broke most of the Records in the SEC, what would be my one knock on him? This one knock is like the black cat that keeps on following you.
What is it you ask? The INABILITY to win the big game. He could never beat Florida, and has ALWAYS been lopsided in the passing game. He is not the Best in the Game. Tom Brady would have to keep the #1 ranking. It it pains to NOT vote for the Vols / Colt.
Karaya