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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GRUNHERZ on November 29, 2004, 01:56:49 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/29/jordans.brother.ap/index.html
To Command Sgt. Maj. James R. Jordan!
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You could learn something there.
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Ahh yes Maniac, another one of you left wing types gives us the tired old implied: "How can you support the war withoput joining the army" rountine..
Utter BS.
Tell me exactly what great act of moral justification must you do to support your position against the war? Or is being against it simply a matter of *****ing and whining against the evil USA?
Tell you what, I will be signing up at the Marines recruiter office here in town within 5 minutes of seeing one of you anti Iraq war types from this BBS joining the insurgency and lopping off heads on video...
Any takers?
Becuase your political stance wrt to the war must be backed by bold personal action? Thats the idea, correct? Support the war, join the army. Oppose the war, join the terrorists! Right? Or does opposition to the war get off without a moral action test?
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Ahh yes Maniac, another one of you left wing types gives us the tired old implied: "How can you support the war withoput joining the army" rountine..
Utter BS.
Tell me exactly what great act of moral justification must you do to support your position against the war? Or is being against it simply a matter of *****ing and whining against the evil USA?
Tell you what, I will be signing up at the Marines recruiter office here in town within 5 minutes of seeing one of you anti Iraq war types from this BBS joining the insurgency and lopping off heads on video...
Any takers?
Becuase your political stance wrt to the war must be backed by bold personal action? Thats the idea, correct? Support the war, join the army. Oppose the war, join the terrorists! Right? Or does opposition to the war get off without a moral action test?
LoL!
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Maniac 1, Grun 0
Nice meltdown, I give it a 7!
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Damn Maniac have ya pissed him off before or something? He got a lot out of the very little you said.
68Parker
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Originally posted by Maniac
You could learn something there.
he did, that was implied by the title.
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I gather by the response that Jordans brother is not a great bloated chicken **** war monger?
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Gotta love it Pongo!
Tell me which other political views should I hold about US policy because I like american hamburgers?
SOB is another big boy here and I gather he doesnt support the iraq war policy, I guess that means he isOK by you politically?
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GRUN, step off your soapbox, Join the USMC, and go to Iraq. I bet you will be waaaaay less vocal.
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He'll probably tell you that he can't enlist because he needs a reinforced titanium soapbox....
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I made my decision not to join the military after I dropped out of high school several years ago. I had some serious choices to make at the point about getting my life in order and I decided to get back to school and follow the example of my father, who made his life and our familiys life by getting a good education which allowed him a good life in the USA. I am satisfied and proud with my decision, I have worked hard in school, given up other opportunites to study and do well in my education. You will not shame me about it, whaterver my political views are today, not even close.
As for my "soapbox" I started this thread to a guy who is commited to his life decision and is loyaly his comrades and his job, I respect that. I also thought it was intresting because he is MJ's brother.
The only person who dragged in a soapobox was Maniac with his comment about me learning something from his example, which was an obvious refernce to what I talked about in my response.
Pongo then jumped in with his version of it and of course continuing his insults about my weight. I guess that makes him feel better to insult me or something. I'm not sure why, maybe just a joke I suppose. I made that joke about me once and now Pongo seems obessed with it. Yea, it is a cheapo and convenient insult , but its exactly that cheap, convenient, but utterly meaningless..
Its all self serving of course, your view that only people in the military or apparently thin physically fit people can support the Iraq war or apparently even have opions about it other than opposition... None of you ever brought up the issue of being in the army when I supported the Kosovo war or the Afghanistan war, probably because you too supported those wars. You oppose the Iraq war, so its a nice way to try to shame those who support it, but its not a true moral view for you. Its just a cheap way to argue. Most American people arent in the army now or ever were, so of course it nicely fits with your opposition view - nobody cxan support the war. Nice. Of course there is no great moral action required to oppose Iraq the war. Nice and conveniant, for you guys, isnt it?
So if you guys impose the requirement of joing the army if you support the Iraq war policy, I only ask that you join the terrorists if you oppose it.
Its only fair that I mathch your convenient moral requests? No?
All I wanted to do was a brave guy, certainly one who chose a riskier path in life than I and most of us, but Maniac had to turn it into an attack on me because we disagree politically and bicker on these boards like old women. I of course bit on it, which was dumb...
Still I am glad to provide you with an opportunity to insult me aboiut my weight, I suppose it privides some satisfaction to you guys...
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I don't share the view of Grunherzt and he know it. But, by god sake, you can't say that his view have no sense if he isn't enlist for the Irak war!
It is as stupid as saying that they were wmd in Iraq :D
This bbs is full of wanabe's, me the first...
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Grunhertz; our very own Cartman.
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Who mentioned your weight? I'm sorry I missed that part.
All I'm saying is that you are very vocal about such matters, and that you would probably change if you were under fire.
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"bloated chicken **** war monger". It sure looks to me like that was directed at grun. By someone that obviously didn't read the article, at that. It was a cheap shot.
But then... so is continually saluting soldiers as some attempt to overcome the lack of desire to serve in the millitary while offhandedly dismissing those on the boards that did. It really is a subject that should be left alone by some.
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Err... I must have missed that too (if that was directed at me).
I do have respect for those who serve(d).
I have none for those who sit on their chair at home and patronise us on what/how we should think.
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Originally posted by deSelys
He'll probably tell you that he can't enlist because he needs a reinforced titanium soapbox....
ROFLMAO :aok
I love it when people who never served a day in their life get all war mongery.
(http://www.foar.net/mt/mt-archives/chickenhawk.jpg)
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Jordans service is only extra ordinary in contrast.
GH very nicely provides that contrast.
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I read the artical and the one thing I learned was that both Brothers came from a good family. Both went into differant fields but became great example to those around them.
I understand CSM Jordan staying with his troops till the mission is completed. I wish that I was younger and my body wasn't so broken down. I'd be back in the Army doing what I had trained for. AND DON'T ANY OF YOU CALL ME A WARHAWK!!! You wouldn't under the feeling. It's not about going over and "killing", it's about being being left behind and not contribute to the mission.
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So... Who is the fellow that is going thru the American service mens record for "Famous relatives".
Is this a draft thingy?
The post about Yeager was cool, Airplane connection and all, but MJ´s brother seems a bit far fetched.
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CSM Jordon is fairly well known. Post Public Relations would have been aware of his connection to his famous brother.
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You want to change peoples' opinions about the Iraq war? Easy- start drafting middle aged, right wing Neo-con bulletin board posters. Somehow having your arse on the line manages to change most peoples' opinions.
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Hey ... it worked for dubya dubya two!
Ahem.
Thread went and gone daffy early on, I see. Heh.
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I disagree, Airhead. There are millions--yes, millions--of Americans who support the war, and a lot of them are in the military, in Iraq, going there soon, or just back. Have you served? Would you serve?
War is unglorious, deadly, and frightening. But sometimes it is the only answer. I am proud to have served (years ago), and would be proud to serve again, if they want my fat old body for anything. We are given so much in this country, and we are obligated to give back. Some choose to ignore the obligation, for whatever reason.
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Originally posted by Airhead
You want to change peoples' opinions about the Iraq war? Easy- start drafting middle aged, right wing Neo-con bulletin board posters. Somehow having your arse on the line manages to change most peoples' opinions.
Any idea how the military voted on the last elections?
I think many people would be proud to serve if given the opportunity . It just doesn't work when someone who declined the opportunity to serve the first time pretends they wouldn't the second time in front of a large number of people that have already established their willingness by actions instead of words.
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Originally posted by Mini D
Any idea how the military voted on the last elections?
I think many people would be proud to serve if given the opportunity . It just doesn't work when someone who declined the opportunity to serve the first time pretends they wouldn't the second time in front of a large number of people that have already established their willingness by actions instead of words.
You're right MiniD, the military is more conservative and generally supports President Bush, as you would expect them to do.
If we institute a draft, tho, and parents are seeing their kids get ripped out of college to go fight a war halfway around the world, then you'd see that support go to hell in a handbasket in a hurry.
Remember, the demonstrations against Viet Nam stopped once the draft was abolished. We're tolorent of wars only as long as participation is voluntary.
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There is no draft. Hundreds of thousands of parents are watching their children go to war. What do you think the beliefs amongst the parents that have lost children in Iraq are today? I believe you'd find a response from those parents pretty much to be in line with the voting distribution.
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I'd say we're tolerant as long as most feel the war is "justified" in some way.
WW2 stands as a prime example. Korea in a similar fashion.
I disagree that "the draft" made all the difference in VietNam. The first draft lottery was in 1969; I think public opinion about the the reasons for our involvement significantly deteriorated before then.
The Diem Coup certainly did not reflect great credit on our politicians, our government and our involvement.
The idiotic rules of engagment under Johnson/McNamara long prior to the institution of a draft made it clear to anyone with a brain that we weren't trying to actually beat the NV.
Given the fact that long before the draft it was clear we weren't fighting to win, I don't think it's too much of a mystery why the American public withdrew support for that war. Added to that is the somewhat lackluster enthusiasm of the SV themselves.
Just my .02.
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Wow, was I ever wrong. I Googled, and we had a draft from 1948 til 1973.
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Actually, people were inducted (drafted) from 1940 to 1973. They drafted 0 guys in 1947 though.
1969 saw the switch to the lottery from the "oldest guy first" system.