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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: -tronski- on November 29, 2004, 10:07:57 PM
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That right folks, the toughest sport (no girly helmets/pads here mate) is coming to the USA!! AMNRL (http://www.amnrl.com) AmericanAustralianAssoc (http://www.americanaustralian.org/calendar/dview.php?action=details&evId=224&currYear=2004&currMonth=11)
World cup holders, the Australian Kangaroos vs. The US Tomahawks is on tommorrow (Tuesday 30th in the US) in philadelphia, so turn on your Fox sports channels...
..and it's even being played on an artificial surface so you yanks don't get too scared ;)
(http://www.nrl.com.au/img/gallery/2/Civoniceva,P-4112701.jpg)
Tronsky
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Hate to break it to you tron, but that artificial turf is an awful nasty surprise to folks who've not played on it before.
Fortunately, League players don't build up enough speed to really burn anything off in the skids.
Cheers,
Scherf
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Originally posted by Scherf
Hate to break it to you tron, but that artificial turf is an awful nasty surprise to folks who've not played on it before.
Fortunately, League players don't build up enough speed to really burn anything off in the skids.
Cheers,
Scherf
Actually I thought that as well, however aparently this art grass is some kind of new design and burns are almost a thing of the past - you can even wear proper league boots on it.
However as for the speed, a back at full flight (Lockyer, Minichiello etc) move extremely quickly...
Tronsky
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"However as for the speed, a back at full flight (Lockyer, Minichiello etc) move extremely quickly... "
Muahahahaha, for all of about three meters, at which point they collide head-on with three equally immobile troglodytes.
Sorry, nothing personal, just can't watch it for more than about ten minutes at a time.
Cheers,
Scherf
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Any back that could only make three metres before being intercepted would'nt make it past High School sports day, let alone into the professional leagues, pro league backs have winged boots.
Usually, when they get the ball, the pace gets poured on, and they run around the 'troglodytes'...........think Quaterback with more pace , less padding, and a healthy desire not to let the big forwards within arms reach.
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sorry chaps, but rugby is not going to get any attention in the US, just like soccer never will.
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OK,
Call it four-and-a-half. Don't watch often, most times I do it's:
Set of five
Twenty-two meter gain
Kick away
Repeat
Eventually, someone drops a clanger, and the other guys score.
Again, don't mean to get anyone's goat up, you're welcome to it, just doesn't hold any appeal for me.
Cheers,
Scherf
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Originally posted by NUKE
sorry chaps, but rugby is not going to get any attention in the US, just like soccer never will.
I'd watch rugby over hockey.
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Originally posted by majic
I'd watch rugby over hockey.
that aint sayin much.
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true
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Originally posted by NUKE
sorry chaps, but rugby is not going to get any attention in the US, just like soccer never will.
Perhaps not, and the final score imo will depend on the results of travelling and post tri-nations condition.
Although I give the US team no real hope (similar result would ensue if an australian american football team was to play an international against an american team) I think it's "great for the game" and the US team can only benefit from playing the best team in the world.
The crowd will no doubt will contain the die hard fans, the curious and mostly ex-pats.
Originally posted by Scherf
OK,
Call it four-and-a-half. Don't watch often, most times I do it's:
Set of five
Twenty-two meter gain
Kick away
Repeat
Eventually, someone drops a clanger, and the other guys score.
Again, don't mean to get anyone's goat up, you're welcome to it, just doesn't hold any appeal for me.
Cheers,
Scherf
The modern game hardly resembles that type of scenario.
It is fast and very mobile, the modern forwards need to be quick, agressive and require a high skill level (eg. Gordon Tallis, Ben Kennedy, Adrian Morely, Tony Puletua) while the elite backs speed and agility could easily match any NFL reciever or defensive back/safety.
I would suggest anyone who wanted to see a real good game, to watch state of origin, the recent grand finals or the recent tri-nations series against Great Britain and New Zealand (except maybe the final)
Tronsky
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Any professional US basketball team could kick the crap out of a rugby team, plus all the fans.
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Care to explain the US Olympic basketball team's performance then?
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Originally posted by majic
I'd watch rugby over hockey.
Rugby League is differant to Rugby Union .
League, the game we are talking about, has differant rules to Union, or 'rugby' as it is commonly known.
About as similar as baseball and softball, or basketball and netball.
All started as the same game, but was played at differant colleges in England, with slightly differing rules, eventually, to clear up the confusion, true football was called Association football, ie soccer, and the two forms of rugby where formalised as Union and League.
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FWIW the US Rugby Union team didn't fair to bad in the last World Cup, they are getting better each year.
Got to give them credit, a US sports team actually playing in a World Cup with other countries in it ;)
(Rugby Union is different to Rugby League btw).
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Care to explain the US Olympic basketball team's performance then?
Sure- it's an international game now, and we left our best atheletes at home cause they didn't want to get drug tested for weed.
Now if you think for even one second that Rughby players are as big, as strong or as fast as American football players, then- why are they wasting time playing for chump change if they're good enough for the NFL?
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you ever watched a rugby international Airhead? Say like the All Blacks versus Australia, or South Africa?
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vulcan don't get me wrong, I like rugby- all I'm saying is don't think rugby players are as big, strong or fast as football players because they aren't.
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Er....because where they come from, ie Australia, NZ, England, Ireland, Wales, Scotland, France, Sth Africa etc etc, American football isn't exactly a hugely popular sport, and playing pro Gridiron would make them about a one ten thousandth or so of what they get playing pro League?
And if you seriously think that pro gridiron players are that big, hard and fast, what are they doing encasing themselves in pads and helmets? they skeered or summink?
This is just ridiculous, both sports at the professional level are exactly that, proffessional, I am not saying either one or the other is 'better', just pointing out that US basketballers arent the supermen you say they are ( it would take some rather serious individuals to take on a pro league team AND the crowd) and if you really think the Australian Rugby League side(or any other representative side) are girlymen or something similar, it is blatantly obvious you have never watched a game.
Weather or not the Americans get into the whole thing is beside the point, the game is being played there now, the US has an international team, and regardless of weather they do any good or not, just having a go says a whole lot about them.
Personally, I hope the Yanks give the poms and Kiwis a hiding ;)
PS what is the US side called? Aust=Kangaroos, NZ=Kiwis, England=Lions US= ? Eagles??
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Originally posted by Bluedog
And if you seriously think that pro gridiron players are that big, hard and fast, what are they doing encasing themselves in pads and helmets? they skeered or summink?
Because they'd die or get paralysed?
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Not too many deaths or paralysations in League games either, and you cant tell me the impacts are any softer.
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Er....because where they come from, ie Australia, NZ, England, Ireland, Wales, Scotland, France, Sth Africa etc etc, American football isn't exactly a hugely popular sport, and playing pro Gridiron would make them about a one ten thousandth or so of what they get playing pro League?
And if you seriously think that pro gridiron players are that big, hard and fast, what are they doing encasing themselves in pads and helmets? they skeered or summink?
This is just ridiculous, both sports at the professional level are exactly that, proffessional, I am not saying either one or the other is 'better', just pointing out that US basketballers arent the supermen you say they are ( it would take some rather serious individuals to take on a pro league team AND the crowd) and if you really think the Australian Rugby League side(or any other representative side) are girlymen or something similar, it is blatantly obvious you have never watched a game.
Hey Bubba, I never said rugby players were girlymen- in fact you insinuated American football players are sissies because they wear pads. All I said is you guys aren't as strong or fast as our football players- LOL how many Olympic medals have Rugby players won?- zero, that's how many.
If there were no such thing as American football, and our best atheletes played rugby instead, there wouldn't be an Aussie who could even make a team. We would dominate because we're bigger, stronger and faster than you are.
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I'd rather have 20 extra pounds of pads and play for 15 years. We Americans happen to enjoy our bodies, as well as our brains.
I'd rather take command of my team and destroy defenses with passes and fakes than run the whole time (well, almost the whole time).
And please, don't get started with the "elite backs can easily match the speed and agility of the NFL's elite receivers" crap. These guys have to run long patterns with lots of pads, and that hinders their mobility. And most of the time, these receivers aren't even running as fast as they can. The NFL has a lot of receivers (as well as corners) who run the 40-yard Dash in under 4.35 seconds (the great Bo Jackson ran it in 4.12). List some Australian Rugby League players who can run that fast with pads, and I'll lighten up.
Don't forget about the great ones --- the Quarterbacks. How many Rugby players can throw a ball 70+ yards, or even 85+ like John Elway? Elway may be retired, but nobody could throw like him. For some reason people say that Favre can, but come on... He can throw a football maybe 73mph. Elway could throw it 86mph in his prime, and that's like throwing a baseball 112mph.
Last but not least: Why would we, of all people, be scared of playing on Turf? We invented Astro Turf (hence the prefix "Astro", which came from the Astro Dome). Turf is very uncomfortable and difficult to play on compared to natural grass. You get burns, cuts, and bruises very easily when you'd be just fine on grass. We've been playing on Turf since the 1960's, and we've pretty much adapted to it.
And last but not least, I will explain why our Olympic Basketball team performed so badly. Two words: Allen Iverson. This ball-hogging little **** ruined it. If it wasn't for him, we'd have won. Remember that team sports are about teamwork --- Allen Iverson is about himself. He could care less about his team mates.
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Your heads may be bigger , egos too I guess, but that about pulls it up.
c'mon Egghhead lighten up, untill you started carrying on about how Americans are better bigger faster tougher and stronger than anyone else, this was an interesting and polite conversation.
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Airhead, look at the pic of the rugby players in the first post in the thread. Look at their arms.....LOL.... fuggin girl arms compaired to most NFL punters!
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I had to search the internet for the results because rugby is so unpopular in the US.
World rugby league champion Australia beat the USA Tomahawks 36-24 in Philadelphia, rallying from an 18- point halftime deficit to avoid one of the biggest upsets in the sport's history.
The Kangaroos ran in three tries in the third quarter at Franklin Field to tie the game at 24-24 before Willie Mason and Matthew Bowen touched down to secure victory. Bowen scored three tries in the first-ever match between the teams in the U.S.
The Tomahawks, drawn from players in the eight-team American Rugby League and clubs in the U.K. and Australia, shocked the No. 1 team by scoring four first-half tries to one and keeping the Kangaroos scoreless until the 35th minute.
``They surprised us a bit,'' Australia captain Darren Lockyer, who kicked five goals, told Fox Sports. ``We had our work cut out in the second half and we came home well. The Tomahawks really stuck it to us.''
LOL! If we put any serious talent into a rugby team, we would dominate the sport.
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LOL Amazing... A group of American shoe store clerks and part time Rugby players almost beats the mighty Aussies at their own game. Now tell me again how big, strong and fast your Rugby team is.
You even wear short pants, for God's sake.
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Damn fine effort for a 'new' team, no doubt about it, but losing a game by twelve points/ three tries isnt exactly a pointer toward international dominance you know.
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Originally posted by Fruda
And please, don't get started with the "elite backs can easily match the speed and agility of the NFL's elite receivers" crap.
Darren Bennet (Pro Aussie footballer turned NFL Punter) has said that speed is the biggest difference between players of the two sports, with some NFL players having Olympic speed.
I watched dozens of Chargers games where he played. I only saw him have to make one tackle on a return guy, and it was a good hit. But mostly they just ran right past him if they got that far.
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What will be interesting is how they do against the French ;)
Montezuma, Australian rules Football is a differant kettle of fish alltogether, it is not Rugby in any way form or manner.
Just a FYI.
Not sure the guy you speek of played Aussie Rules, but I have never heard of him playing league is all.
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Bluedog, you DO know I'm yanking your chain, right?
But all kidding aside...if we wanted to we'd dominate Rugby. ;)
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Airhead, do a search mate, in the couple years I have been posting here, I think EVERY time I post something you yank my chain about it :)
No wuckers, carry on, all part of the fun .
Im serious about the French side though, if you guys play them it will be interesting thats for sure, they're tougher than they sound :)
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Originally posted by Airhead
Bluedog, you DO know I'm yanking your chain, right?
But all kidding aside...if we wanted to we'd dominate Rugby. ;)
fugg Airhead.....you went gay on me......
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This about a guy famed for sunset beach walks?? curioser and curioser
Damn update reckons it'll take 2.5 hrs on auto update thingy....what'd they do? change the entire AH coad?
You all are stuck with my opinion on all sorts of stuff for the next hour and a half :)
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Originally posted by Montezuma
Darren Bennet (Pro Aussie footballer turned NFL Punter) has said that speed is the biggest difference between players of the two sports, with some NFL players having Olympic speed.
I watched dozens of Chargers games where he played. I only saw him have to make one tackle on a return guy, and it was a good hit. But mostly they just ran right past him if they got that far.
Just so non Americans understand....punters are the smallest, least used, least talented players on an NFL team.
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Im serious about the French side though, if you guys play them it will be interesting thats for sure, they're tougher than they sound :)
The only French person I know likes to kiss me. I can only hope our boys can bear up against this onslaught of immorality.
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Montezuma, Australian rules Football is a differant kettle of fish alltogether, it is not Rugby in any way form or manner.
Just a FYI.
Not sure the guy you speek of played Aussie Rules, but I have never heard of him playing league is all.
Yeah, OK.
Anway, google Darren Bennett.
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Ok, done.
He played Aussie Rules, totally differant than either Rugby league or Rugby Union.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Just so non Americans understand....punters are the smallest, least used, least talented players on an NFL team.
Which makes them pretty damn small, talentless and useless huh? :)
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Ok, done.
He played Aussie Rules, totally differant than either Rugby league or Rugby Union.
Yup , aussie rules players are actually quite skilful ;)
Look out for another Aussie coming over to try out as a kicker - Ben Graham. Was a very good footballer here , and a very long (70-80 yd + ) kick.
Personally I would watch NFL anytime over a game of Rugby League , But union is a good spectator sport.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Just so non Americans understand....punters are the smallest, least used, least talented players on an NFL team.
Darren Bennett was a handy footballer , but basically at the end of his career here.
Damn nice to be able to pick up a a gig over there as a punter though, not too taxing on the body.
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Care to explain the US Olympic basketball team's performance then?
I think he was joking about our stupid BBall players who decided to go into the stands and fight the fans during a game a few weeks back. There is a thread in the oclub talking about it.
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Originally posted by NUKE
sorry chaps, but rugby is not going to get any attention in the US, just like soccer never will.
soccer is not the most favored sport in the US. But it is growing in popularity. In my area (dallas) they have pro teams for both outdoor and indoor soccer.
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Originally posted by Montezuma
Darren Bennet (Pro Aussie footballer turned NFL Punter) has said that speed is the biggest difference between players of the two sports, with some NFL players having Olympic speed.
I watched dozens of Chargers games where he played. I only saw him have to make one tackle on a return guy, and it was a good hit. But mostly they just ran right past him if they got that far.
The Dallas Cowboys punter
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Originally posted by Airhead
vulcan don't get me wrong, I like rugby- all I'm saying is don't think rugby players are as big, strong or fast as football players because they aren't.
I would tend to aggree with this statement.
But are there any player stats for rugby teams we can take a gander at?
Rugby doesnt have all the padding because rugby doesnt have the same kind of intence collisions American football does.
I would aggee though that Rugby, like American football isnt for sissy soccerplayers though.