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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: indy007 on November 30, 2004, 11:44:31 AM
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Interfaith Center of Corporate Responsibility (http://www.iccr.org/issues/violence/jointstatement10.29.04.doc)
1. America’s Army (Teen)
2. Doom 3 (Mature)
3. Half Life 2 (Mature)
4. Halo 2 (Mature)
5. 100 Bullets (not rated)
6. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (all Grand Theft Auto)(Mature)
7. Mortal Combat: Deception (Matured)
8. Hitman: Blood Money (releases in 2005)
9. Shadow Heart
10. Gunslinger Girls Vol. 2
Was kinda suprised they left off the JFK assassination game. I'm amazed that America's Army made the list, especially with games like Dead or Alive: Ultimate coming out that features women beating each other senseless. Thank God they've never heard of American McGee's Alice, or they'd be screaming to have all the remaining copies pulled from shelves.
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looks more like 10 of the "must haves" to me lol
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id like to see them actually try and BUY americas army...
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I've seen AA boxed up & on shelves, for sale. Same with games like Eve Online. You *can* buy them, and get a box, and documentation. Or you can just download free & pay the monthly fee.
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Originally posted by indy007
I've seen AA boxed up & on shelves, for sale. Same with games like Eve Online. You *can* buy them, and get a box, and documentation. Or you can just download free & pay the monthly fee.
ah
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Those games make baby jebus cry.
-SW
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Originally posted by AcId
looks more like 10 of the "must haves" to me lol
lol :aok
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Originally posted by indy007
Interfaith Center of Corporate Responsibility (http://www.iccr.org/issues/violence/jointstatement10.29.04.doc)
1. America’s Army (Teen)
2. Doom 3 (Mature)
3. Half Life 2 (Mature)
4. Halo 2 (Mature)
5. 100 Bullets (not rated)
6. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (all Grand Theft Auto)(Mature)
7. Mortal Combat: Deception (Matured)
8. Hitman: Blood Money (releases in 2005)
9. Shadow Heart
10. Gunslinger Girls Vol. 2
Was kinda suprised they left off the JFK assassination game. I'm amazed that America's Army made the list, especially with games like Dead or Alive: Ultimate coming out that features women beating each other senseless. Thank God they've never heard of American McGee's Alice, or they'd be screaming to have all the remaining copies pulled from shelves.
Ask yourself this question: If you had children(not sure if you do) would you buy them any of these games if they were, say, 6-8 years old?
I wouldn't.
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i'll pass on these games, I'd wait for the king of Racing sim... GRAN TURISMO 4! :D
500+ cars (real life!)
realistic terrain
damage model
online competetion
oldies, muscles, rice rockets, and euro style 'n engeneering fans are welcome :)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Ask yourself this question: If you had children(not sure if you do) would you buy them any of these games if they were, say, 6-8 years old?
I wouldn't.
Dunno, haven't been in that situation, but I probably would. I was playing Doom when I was... man, 10 years old? I play paintball. I listen to gangster rap & rock. I know a bit about firearms, and love reading military history. I don't bat an eye at the most violent movies possible. I'm the posterboy for the Columbine stereotype, minus the trenchcoat... and I haven't been in a fight since grade school. I've been playing games like Counter-Strike, DoD, & Quake with my nephew since he was 8, and he has very, very few discipline problems. He's got good parents.
So, to answer ya Rip, no I don't have a problem with it. As long as the child is raised correctly, supervised, and disciplined when needed, I don't see it being a problem. I can't speak for everybody else's household, only what I see first-hand, so I disagree with the ICCR on the premise that violent games make violent kids.
special note: Don't get crowbar'd in HL by an 8 year old. you'll never hear the end of it.
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Neither six nor eight have 'teen' in the word. And those ages could not be classed as 'mature'.
So, what is the problem again apart your willingness to subscibe to a nanny state?
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10 of the must have games is right, but in the wrong order.
Grand Theif Auto should be #1, and drop mortal combat and put grand turismo 4.
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lol, thats some funny stuff. If they wanted to limit Americas Army, theyd have to take it up with the DOD since thats there new training tool to make a generation of eager and able soldiers.
Games dont make kids violent, bad parenting does. I play halo all the time and u dont see me out there raping women, shooting cops and setting people on fire then wizzin on em to put out the flames (postal 2).
Nuthing makes me madder than people telling me what is and isnt acceptable just because that is what they believe.
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Wow, a group of Nuns telling folks what to buy.
Here's a tip, Sisters...go use your *powers* to get those stinking priests to leave little boys alone. Once you clean your house out, I'll give ya a 2nd thought :aok
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10. Gunslinger Girls Vol. 2
:confused: :confused: :cool: :) :D :aok
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Originally posted by LePaul
Wow, a group of Nuns telling folks what to buy.
Here's a tip, Sisters...go use your *powers* to get those stinking priests to leave little boys alone. Once you clean your house out, I'll give ya a 2nd thought :aok
Hear hear!!
My thoughts exactly.
PS Musta been a half decent game guns, you made it to volume 2!
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Originally posted by Dowding
Neither six nor eight have 'teen' in the word. And those ages could not be classed as 'mature'.
So, what is the problem again apart your willingness to subscibe to a nanny state?
Problem? The problem is, a 6 or 8 year old can buy those games regardless of what is printed on the package.
Its a social problem of one where parents don't pay particular attention to their children, or what they do. I realize that this not the gaming industries' problem, but we don't sell cigarettes to minors either.
In a country where both parents working, its highly likely that the parents don't even keep up on the content of the games.
I see nothing wrong with "developing standards for marketing video games that encourage/reward players for performing acts of violence and brutality, and that depict images demeaning to women and minorities" or preventing minors from purchasing/renting M-rated games by separating these from other games so that parents can shop for products appropriate for their children."
I preach "personal responsibility", this goes for both parties, the parents, and the gaming companies, a label isn't enough. My son is BEGGING for Halo 2, its advertised on Nickelodeon, a childrens channel. Its rated M for Mature. I have a problem with that(the advertisement on a childrens channel).
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The gaming companies have no obligation whatsoever to warn people of questionable content. That is left up to the ESRB. Game companies usually make games with all kinds of ratings to cater to a wide amount of the market. They are not responsible for who gets their product or how, that is the job of the marketers and the parents.
Advertisments, magazine ads, and television commercials must be purchased through the networks. They follow the same guidelines as every other commercial program out there. It's like having beer commercials on a network where kids may be watching during the prime time.
What we're left with are parents who will submit to whatever their child wants and usually pay no attention to ratings or warnings. When their child plays the game they buy and for some reason become enamored with what he sees and starts to emulate it, then the parents will blame the game companies because they don't want to admit their mistake. They pass the blame because there is no way they could possibly make a wrong decision about their kids.
So, the game companies get to have lists like this made because parents around the nation don't know what's best for their kids. They make the mistake of buying M rated games whe they know their child does not understand the content of the game then go on a tirade about how violent games are destroying our way of life. They don't tell you that they paid money for he game usually because the child wanted it.
SO who gets the blame card? We have:
Game companies who are trying to make a profit.
The ESRB rating games to inform consumers.
Parents who are educated (like Rip) who know what games are good and bad for their kids.
Parents who do not know the content of games and are shocked when their kids emulate what they see because they don't understand it.
You make the call...
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Problem? The problem is, a 6 or 8 year old can buy those games regardless of what is printed on the package.
not around where I live. I got carded when I bought GTA and HL2. I looked at the sniveling kid behind the counter and laughed at him. He was serious and wouldn't sell me the game without seeing my ID.
nothing like a 16 year old who can't buy those games on his own giving someone 6 1/2 years older them him crap. i wanted to punch him and steal the money in the cash register then go jack a car outside and run over a few cops.
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Don't forget to pickup a hooker Moose.
-SW
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Originally posted by moose
not around where I live. I got carded when I bought GTA and HL2. I looked at the sniveling kid behind the counter and laughed at him. He was serious and wouldn't sell me the game without seeing my ID.
That's getting common here in TX. They've toughed up their ID laws considerably, and the police run stings against any place that sells cigarettes, sending in minors to try to buy w/o ID. I got ID'd at Best Buy when I picked up MK: Deception. I don't have a problem with that, it's a good thing. Kids shouldn't be able to buy M-rated games on their own. Now, if we could make sure parents knew what their kids were playing and kept an eye on them, then we wouldn't have a problem :)
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whats worse is when the kid convinces their parents to buy it, sometimes even right in front of the store employee. i've seen that with gta:sa like 4 times now. one time the woman asked the clerk if it was too mature and he said it had 'some' bad content, and i started laughing behind her. she asked me why and i said that i wouldn't let anyone who couldn't see an R rated move by themself play that game it was that bad.
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Kids will get their hands on the game in some way or another, trust me, I would know.
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Grand Theft Auto has an 18 certificate in the UK, as do many other violent/adult games. A child of 6-8 years cannot make a purchase legally in the same way they couldn't buy Reservoir Dogs on DVD. Sounds like America is behind the times on this issue.
Adults circumventing the law is a different matter altogether and has been around since video certification was introduced.
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All the games I sell at Sears specifically prompt me to verify the buyer is over 17. Even the kiddie Nintendo games. Store policy is to decline em if they cant provide proof of age.
If a parent buys, there's nothing stopping a youth from playing adult/teen rated games.
What an outrage...a parent has to...gasp...take the lead and be a parent!