Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: memnon on December 01, 2004, 05:07:43 PM
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Warning
The Fleet strengths will be reduced so if they are beached they will probablly be wiped out.
To honor the courage of the men from both sides of the conflict the CT will be Guadacanal mid 1942.
Allies
Sea
F4F-4
SBD
LVT's
Land
P-40B
SBD
C-47
M-3
M-8
M-16
Axis
Sea
A6M2
B5N2
LVT's
Land
A6M2
D3A1
C-47
M-3
M-8
M-16
10 troops to take a base
Historical Dar
Burn Rate 1.5
Aircraft will be updated through out the week.
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No AVENGERS or VALS off the carriers? :confused:
(Somebody needs to skin a KATE as a TBD Devestator till we get the real thing I guess.)
"B" model P-40 was pretty much in second line service by mid-42. "E" model would be more correct. Might be a good sub for a P-39.
Wildcat should be added maybe to Henderson Field alone - got to keep the Marines happy. :D
Won't even bring up the "bent wing bird." ;)
Kinda "unhistorical" isn't it?
! :aok
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Looks good to me. While not historically accurate to have the P-40B there, it is (in my opinion) a better substitute for the "Iron Dog" than the -E model P-40. The 37-mm cannon in the P-39 was pretty well useless air to air; take that away, and you have essentially the same firepower as a P-40B. The P-40B was more nimble than the P-39, but had similar climb rates and dive speed. Plus, this set up recreates the desparate feel of the Guadelcanal campaign, where the Japanese still had the upper hand in the air. Adding the F4F to Henderson is probably not a bad idea, though. As for the carrier attack planes, the TBM was not in service yet and most of the Devastators were lost at Midway (or retired to training duties). Plus, it would give too great a ground-attack advantage to the US. As it is, the SBD carries a bigger bomb load than it's IJN counterpart, the Val. The Kate and Val could be added to the Japanese CV without major effect on balance, but that's Memnon's call.
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Mid '42??
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Originally posted by Sabre
Looks good to me. While not historically accurate to have the P-40B there, it is (in my opinion) a better substitute for the "Iron Dog" than the -E model P-40. The 37-mm cannon in the P-39 was pretty well useless air to air; take that away, and you have essentially the same firepower as a P-40B. The P-40B was more nimble than the P-39, but had similar climb rates and dive speed. Plus, this set up recreates the desparate feel of the Guadelcanal campaign, where the Japanese still had the upper hand in the air. Adding the F4F to Henderson is probably not a bad idea, though. As for the carrier attack planes, the TBM was not in service yet and most of the Devastators were lost at Midway (or retired to training duties). Plus, it would give too great a ground-attack advantage to the US. As it is, the SBD carries a bigger bomb load than it's IJN counterpart, the Val. The Kate and Val could be added to the Japanese CV without major effect on balance, but that's Memnon's call.
I agree
eskimo
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Originally posted by TheBug
Mid '42??
If you wanted to duplicate mid '42 with the planes available to us, what would you pick?
- oldman
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Mid '42 Guadalcanal was in Japanese hands.
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Mid '42 Guadalcanal was in Japanese hands.
Well that clears it up. What ever "it" is.
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Originally posted by Sabre
Looks good to me. While not historically accurate to have the P-40B there, it is (in my opinion) a better substitute for the "Iron Dog" than the -E model P-40. The 37-mm cannon in the P-39 was pretty well useless air to air; take that away, and you have essentially the same firepower as a P-40B. The P-40B was more nimble than the P-39, but had similar climb rates and dive speed.
The first P-39's on Guadalcanal were not actually P-39's but P-400's, an export version armed with a 20mm cannon in the nose spinner in place of the 37mm. The planes were part of a order for the RAF that was diverted by the US. Their 20mm's were VERY accurate when they could bring them to bear.
While I agree with you to a point about the P-40B subbing for the P-39 (That is what I ment BTY) "Historically" the P-40E was the aircraft found more in use by the USAAF squadrons at this time.
Originally posted by Sabre
Plus, this set up recreates the desparate feel of the Guadelcanal campaign, where the Japanese still had the upper hand in the air. Adding the F4F to Henderson is probably not a bad idea, though. As for the carrier attack planes, the TBM was not in service yet and most of the Devastators were lost at Midway (or retired to training duties). Plus, it would give too great a ground-attack advantage to the US. As it is, the SBD carries a bigger bomb load than it's IJN counterpart, the Val.
TORPEDO 8 from the Saratoga CV-3 and TORPEDO 6 from the Enterprise CV-6 both operated TBF-1 Avengers during the landings on Guadalcanal Aug.7,1942 and during the later Battle of the Eastern Solomons on Aug. 24, 1942. unknown if WASP CV-7 had Avengers aboard at this time. So they were there "historically."
Originally posted by Sabre The Kate and Val could be added to the Japanese CV without major effect on balance, but that's Memnon's call.
The Japanese side should get all aircraft (ZEKE, VAL & KATE) off the CV's plus the KI-67 PEGGY available from land bases to sub for the BETTY - IMO - but as you said that is up to Memnon.
CT Staff - no critisim here in anyway - just throwing my opinion up in the air. :aok
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Originally posted by TheBug
Mid '42??
I would call Aug '42 "Mid" '42 but what do I know?
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welcome to ack week
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No problem, Jester. Your comments are appreciated. That's why we always try to post the set up a few days early, to get feedback. We left the Ki-67 out because it is too much of a plane for this set up. It is too fast (faster than the Betty) and better armed, and carries more ord if I'm not mistaken (been known to happen).
As for the TBM, yes, it was in squadron service by the time of the Guadelcanal battles took place, it still gives the Allies too much of a ground attack advantage, so long as all the IJN gets is the Kate and Val. If we give them the Ki-67, we have to give the Allies the Boston or A-20, which means that none of the fighters will be able to keep up, requiring later model fighters for the US, and so on and so on and so on...
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I say we substitute FinRus with a Mid 1943 line up and scrub the whole PTO thing.....
:aok
Crumpp
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Or I can promise you a 190 next week?
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Originally posted by Crumpp
I say we substitute FinRus with a Mid 1943 line up and scrub the whole PTO thing.....
The notion was that this week is the anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor.
- oldman
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The notion was that this week is the anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor.
Ahhh, Good Thinking!!
:aok
Or I can promise you a 190 next week?
That would be fantastic.
TAAAANK YEEW!!
:)
Crumpp
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I had fun last night, never went higher than 5k and the fight was mostly over water or away from the ack. A few ran back to base but that's always going to happen. :aok