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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Stang on December 02, 2004, 03:12:38 PM
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In every thread about the two camps, this is the common theme I have observed.
I'd like to hear from the strat guys, and please, lets keep it civil, at least for the first couple posts :D
Discuss...
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I don't think it's threatened so much as frustrated. I'm basically a furballer, and the theme I seem to get on the text buffer is any furball in any location is not supporting the "strategic" objective of land-grab.
I always figure that any enemy I tie up in a furball is one who is not defending against the base capture so I don't worry too much about it... I will make the offer to fly anywhere that anybody who will pay my monthly bill would like me to! :p
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well maybe with all the furballers landing kills and gettng "wtg's" and faux
's and stuff, the strat guys feel their mad building battling skillz are being overlooked?
has it been a couple yet?
:D
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It is kind of funny. The whole strat system including base capture etc is only for generating furballs.
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Originally posted by Shane
well maybe with all the furballers landing kills and gettng "wtg's" and faux 's and stuff, the strat guys feel their mad building battling skillz are being overlooked?
has it been a couple yet?
:D
Maybe strat guys need some credit messages.
Like :-
HOST: Milkrunner has killed 22 toolsheds, 3 nissen huts, a house and an ack gun
so they can all eachother and bask in their greatness?
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Maybe strat players get tired of something like bozos placing CVs 3 miles in front of an enemy base for sake of a furball, when in reality placing a CV there is the best and fastest way to kill the furball itself. CV based planes are quickly overmatched by land based planes, and soon the CV is gonna die. This kind of stupidity is usually inherent in furballers.
So, strat players aren't really threatened by anything. Its usually the strat players who reach out and pull out the furballers from the pile of shi* they've gotten themselves into.
Its no wonder the strat players get cranky - wiping furballer prettythang is usually a very thankless job.
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Seems the other way around to me.
But then what do I know.
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Originally posted by Shane
has it been a couple yet?
:D
WTFG Shane!! <<>>
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Its no wonder the strat players get cranky - wiping furballer prettythang is usually a very thankless job
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/ststang2/cookiesesamestreet-vi-sig.jpg)
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Oh now that's funny. Seems to me not to long ago, the furballers complained about the strat killers took all their precious fuel away. Who was threatened by who?
I consider myself neither, I just do what I think needs to be done at the time. If troops need to be taken out, I'll go do that. If a sector needs to be swept out, I'll do that.
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Originally posted by Pongo
It is kind of funny. The whole strat system including base capture etc is only for generating furballs.
Disagree...there cant be a furball when a steady stream of bomber forms keeps the hangers dead.
Here's a good one I heard on Ndisles not to long ago. Some guy says on range vox that the best way to keep the cv alive is to kill the BH's and FH's :rofl I tryed to tell him that killing the ammo bunkers took far less ordinance and had a longer lasting effect and that they also needed to kill the shore batteries and the VH to keep tanks from lining up on the shore and firing at the cv, but he was adamant that it was the BH's and FH's that needed to die.
Not long after our conversation Tiger tanks and a shore battery combined there efforts and sank our cv. (all aircraft hangers were down at the time of the sinking) :rofl
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I play both ways depending on my mood. One thing that is obvious is you look: hardcore furballers are lone-wolf players who rarely if ever really get involved in teamwork; the strat players tend to prefer playing as a team.
As for who is threatened by whom: I've always thought it was the furballers who feel the most threatened. They seem to always be the ones starting the furballer/strat player conflict threads. Personally I think the extreme players on both sides of the equation are on the fringes of the game and are maintaining equally ridiculous positions.
Children, please! It's just a game.
asw
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Seems the other way around to me.
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exactly.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Its usually the strat players who reach out and pull out the furballers from the pile of shi* they've gotten themselves into.
Help me out here... the strat players save the furballers by destroying the ability to furball?
Or what are you trying to say?
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Wonder why they bothered makin all them different planes for?
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are there really camps?
of the hundred or so guys i know who play AH...
seems all enjoy a bit of both
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I love a good furball now and again, I also sometimes like to disrupt the steamrolling hoard by blasting the troop training and barracks at the front.
Sometimes all I want to do is fly a Spit I or Hurri I and surprise the hell out of Zero pilots and shoot down Nikis ;) Other times I want to carpet bomb the heck out of some target.
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Yeah, I do whatever also. Heck, I flew some B24's last night and took out a CV group (not coming in at 50 feet, lamers). That's not the point of this thread. The point is, and maybe I should have elaborated on this more clearly, is why the vocal minority of guys who like to fight (not necessarily furball, but simply fight) are in the minority and are constantly demonized by the hordes of timid milkrunning strat potatos who wouldn't know what to do if they were given someone's 6. Since the milkrunning strat potato is the majority now, and is frankly killing gameplay on all levels, why are more people not waking up to the fact that what they do is timid, lame, no fun, skilless, unimaginative and simply stupid. I think this is the gist of every thread that the "furballers" post in. For the most part, the guys that like to mix it up are the vets, they have seen what a great community and gameplay can be like, and I suggest people listen to them, instead of accusing them of being sore losers, deck hugging spit weenies, or whatever else comes to the guy's mind who likes to fly la7's in packs of 20, only ho/jousts and only vulches then runs home when a con gets within 6k.
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I'm a land grabber 75% of the time but I do enjoy a good fight. By good fight I don't mean me against 5 cons or upping from a vulched field.
As for being threatened by furballers.... err no! Furballers tend to, on the whole, fight furballers so the previuos post about tying up cons is a bit of a none plus.
It can be a tad frustrating watching what we (Strat guys) consider to be a waist of man power over a field of absolutly no stratigacal or tactical advange. So, at times, we have to resort to things like.......... " Great furball @ xyz" or "Vulch light on @ xyz" especially when we need extra hands to make the capture. We get to shoot the tool sheds, bomb Wendy's, para drop on Kmart, advance into NME lands and turn 1 bunch of pixels green.
The furballers get to shoot the die hard cons, land their kills and see their name in lights.....not forgetting perkies for the ultra rides and maybe a base with alt advantage.
Now for a tongue in cheek remark.... AH's most common Furballers quote..... "It's my $15". Which a lot a folk take as being the short version of " **** you lot, I'm OK"
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Yup, what stang said is true. In both posts. Sad but true.
Newbs haven't a clue what a good fight is like... I mean the kind of fight were you give it your all, and win lose or draw you know, that at that point, during that fight, you couldnt have done any better. Hell, alot of these self proclaimed "VETS" dont even know.
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best of both worlds...
learn to strat and furball...
woow whatta concept...
wait!!!
maybe I should fly slow, but fast is cool, but slow you can turn better, ah, but fast your smarter, but but but
pointless wouldn't you say
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My only point here would be that its not 'all' the newbies who like timidity.
Most of my squad have been playing under 1 1/2 years, and we all like to furball 99% of the time.
guess thats why we call ourselves a 'Fighter Squad'
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Its no wonder the strat players get cranky - wiping furballer prettythang is usually a very thankless job.
Ah but isn't equally frustrating when the strat folks care more about taking a base, any base, than actually taking bases that matter? Running around grabbing back water bases while avoiding the enemy that is grabbing friendly bases?
What term do you use for them? Milkrunners? They aren't really good strat folks... and they sure aren't furballers because avoiding a fight and grabbing the easy base seems to be their cup of tea.
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Guys,
Before we all get deeply entrenched in this discussion... can I ask you one thing...
Who Cares?
Go in the game, fly your style, then go to bed. Nobody really cares what your specific reasons are except you... This board exists only for your mental masterbation.
Play the damn game.
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I've recently started a strat thread, so I'm not sure if I'm being included as a "threatened" strat player. Like SLO, I have fun doing both.
You want to furball, great. I like to find a good balanced furball, after growing enough into the game that I'm not just fodder. I'm not good enough to dive in to 2v6 odds and expect to survive, but if the mix is balanced enought that I can twist and roll for a while, I'm all for it.
Let me give an example. This am I upped to defend alone, and took on a trio of lancs. After all three died, the pilot came back in a spit to pay me back We had a nice fight, but then I lost track for a second, he dropped on my 6, and I died.
"Fun!" I thought. "Again?" I asked on channel 200, and upped from the base -- only to get vulched. I got steamed before I realized this guy was thinking capture, and in that midset the fight was nice but not the point. I was mad because at that time, the fight was the only thing I cared about.
So who was right? Were either of us threatened by the other?
No way! We both were after fun, even though our immediate objectives were different.
But here's the problem:
Capture minded players (like that guy this am) can have fun in a furball during the process of attacking a base, but
Furballers can't continue their fun when the strat players actually take a base.
Who's threatened by whom? I gotta agree with Ghosth -- the furballers have a problem with strat players, not the other way around.
As an aside -- I'm not talking about the guys who's only goal is to run up points by bombing some undefended target. Hitting targets to directly or indirectly effect a capture -- whether FHs or troops or training facilities -- IS NOT score whoring, and furballers are unnecessarily demeaning to insultingly imply that capturing is score chasing.
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Originally posted by Simaril
I'm not good enough to dive in to 2v6 odds and expect to survive
Either am I.
But diving in and going for it sometimes produces Ya-Ya's that cannot be achieved in any other way.
They don't happen often. But when they do ?? They are incomparable to ANYTHING ELSE in what this game has to offer.
Those sorties are burned into the brain.
That's why I will always fly on the edge.
To do differently would eliminate for me "that" possible outcome..
Ultimate ya-ya's aren't made playing it safe.
They make my mind.
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Well said nopoop!!!!!
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Why do strat players seem so threatened by furballers?
It all comes down to pee-pee size. Those with little, want more. Those with more, want to thump theirs on the foreheads of the others.
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Originally posted by Stang
YThe point is, and maybe I should have elaborated on this more clearly, is why the vocal minority of guys who like to fight (not necessarily furball, but simply fight) are in the minority and are constantly demonized by the hordes of timid milkrunning strat potatos who wouldn't know what to do if they were given someone's 6.
Actually I see almost none of what you're claiming here on the bbs or in the game, so who's threatened by who here?
Since the milkrunning strat potato is the majority now, and is frankly killing gameplay on all levels, why are more people not waking up to the fact that what they do is timid, lame, no fun, skilless, unimaginative and simply stupid. [/B]
This I suppose is how the furballers make friends and influence people? Kinda sounds to me like your ticked because we're ruining your game of ruining our game. See, here's the trick: if the only way to play the game was to play the airborne variety of doom then the number of people you'd have to play with would plummet. HTC would run out of money and you'd run out of game. Now, also consider this: you can furball to your hearts content if you've got your brain switched on and an eye on what's happening on the map. All you gotta do is pick a place the strat guys are having a problem, get in and kick some bad guy butt. Then look for the next place you can be a hero - see everyone wins that way. Now if you can't understand that then maybe you should wait until your little older to play the game. k?
Nopoop. You're right. All of the most memorable sorties (the kind that leave your hands shaking afterward from the adrenaline rush) I've had in AW and AH were fighter sorties. Sometimes it's been pure furball types of sorties, others have been in support of someone else's strat mission.
asw
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Originally posted by Stang
the hordes of timid milkrunning strat potatos who wouldn't know what to do if they were given someone's 6. Since the milkrunning strat potato is the majority now, and is frankly killing gameplay on all levels, why are more people not waking up to the fact that what they do is timid, lame, no fun, skilless, unimaginative and simply stupid.
Are you too freakin stupid to see that the only reason its a milk run is because you are too freakin stupid to come shoot us down?
Does this completely escape your mental capacity?
THERE IS NO MILK RUN UNLESS YOU PROVIDE IT.
Why are we expected to defend ourselves in the bulletin boards if you can't be expected to defend yourself in the game?
Can you spell Bulletin Board? Could you spell it before you saw me do it?
Shut up, go away.
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Originally posted by Stang
In every thread about the two camps, this is the common theme I have observed.
I'd like to hear from the strat guys, and please, lets keep it civil, at least for the first couple posts :D
Discuss...
I don't mind the strat guys, they do their thing , I do my thing , occasionally we run into each other. Every now and then they can sink a CV or something and spoil a good fight , but hey , it's their $15 too.
I probably get more dissappointed/bored/pissed off by the level of "fight" by the fighters. The weenie horde tactics, the HO and Go lala's the Bnzzzzzzzz guys etc. I'd estimate that in 90% of first merges these days you can expect the obligatory HO pass with a likely dive for the ack/friends/extend chase 4k reversal as the next move This is from all planes against all planes spits zekes lala's 190's p51's you name it. I honestly don't believe this is an exaggeration - 90 %
people actually believe now this is the way you fight - and spend time on the BBS defending these "valid " historical tactics
New players come in , see this as the overiding arena tactic , and this is all they learn how to do. - you fly at someone - try to HO them - if you miss , you run for help, dive away or extend to 4k turn, and repeat the joust.
I believe I can remember, when it was the other way round , 10% of people used these tactics, and were held to ridicule over them.
It is really quite sad.
P>S> I am not talking about TnB with every plane on the deck is the way we all should fly (I don't expect P51's to turnfght with Spits). I am talking about tactically using the strengths of your plane against your opponent and his plane .
PPS - and please don't tell me how easy it is to avoid HO's etc , I always avoid them - it' just sooo damn boring dodging jousters and Bnzzzzz weenies all night.
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Originally posted by KurtVW
Are you too freakin stupid to see that the only reason its a milk run is because you are too freakin stupid to come shoot us down?
Does this completely escape your mental capacity?
THERE IS NO MILK RUN UNLESS YOU PROVIDE IT.
Why are we expected to defend ourselves in the bulletin boards if you can't be expected to defend yourself in the game?
Can you spell Bulletin Board? Could you spell it before you saw me do it?
Shut up, go away.
Wow Kurt, if you knew me at all, you''d know that almost all of my sorties consist of upping to try to stop milkers and the hordes. Whether its trying to anticipate where it will steamroll next or constantly up from fields that are getting milk/vulched, it's usually what you will find me doing. My goal is to ruin the scores of the weenies who fly in these and to stop them from taking the base, and I probably succeed at least half the time, maybe more.
The only fights I really ever go into are the big red dar bar with little or no green bar, so how can I not be doing what you say I should be doing? I only truly "furball" a slight minority of the time, and I even do some strat stuff too, as I mentioned in my last post that you totally failed to grasp.
Hardly anyone is willing to defend bases anymore, but as long as I'm here, that's what I'm going to do and I'll be damned if i'm going to let a pack of la7's and tiffies run rampant without being challenged. It makes me sick when I see my own countrymen do it, let alone the enemy.
Why are we expected to defend ourselves in the bulletin boards if you can't be expected to defend yourself in the game?
I'm not expected to defend myself? WTF are you talking about?
And my spelling of bulletin board? Where the F did that come from?
I guess I must have done something in the game to piss you off or something, otherwise this rage just doesn't make sense. Guess I must have shot down your la7 when you tried a lazy joust then tried to run away. Who knows, I don't know you or what you fly, nor do I care.
Oh, btw Kurt, your post made my initial argument for me, thanks man :aok
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WHy do strat players seem so threatened by furballers?
Because 99% of the time we shoot them down in flames and ruin their shed bashing for a few minutes.
:D
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HMMMMM....
I have a comprimised between Furballers and Strat folks...
If Everyone flew the F4U series of aircraft.....
Everyone would get the excitement for which they're looking!
Think about it...you can fly fast, or slow, bomb or furball, land on land, or land on CVs, fly high, or fly low....
You can fly early war, circa 1942 vintage aircraft (F4U-1), or late war, circa 1945 aircraft(F4U-1C or F4U-4), or Mid-War (F4U-1D) all in one series of aircraft that evolved from furballer to air-to-ground attack aircraft that were first relagated to the ground, but found their way to sea!
Now, really, Folks....think about it....you can shoot down bombers, too, from 20K on up! And, for you bomber folks, the F4U can carry about 3K worth of Ordnance (and 2400 rounds of .50 caliber machine gun ammunition for those pesky F4Us diving from above), nearly on a par with the A-20 (which carries 1K more, I think). What more can you ask for?
So, all of you threatened Strat players...
And all of you non-timid furballers....
All of you bomber pilots wishing you had escorts, high and low (not to mention the gunners you can carry),
Joins wings and fly the F4U series of aircraft for fun furballs, great strat missions, and high (deep penetration) and low level (NOE) bomber runs.
Choosing an F4U marks you as a pilot willing to accept ALL challenges.
If you don't believe me....fly an F4U.
Semper Fidelis!
Patches
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Lumping the whole of the AH community into 2 groups is a bit blinkered, but it will start a fight I guess.
Is the question "do the guys that put bombs on their planes feel threatened by those that don't?"
If a furballer is a mindless con chaser who wished the map only had 3 fields; and a stratter a milkrunning toolshed potato who might as well be playing offline, then what must one do for approval. Please, let us lay down the rules here, so that anyone who reads this thread may be educated into acceptable flying behaviour.
To be honest though, you'd be better off saving your energy for a strenuous crap.
Bah - I'm too short for this chit.
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the only theme I get out of all the strat vs furball threads is......
strat guys don't have the faintest idea of what a furball even is.
lazs
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Originally posted by Stang
And my spelling of bulletin board? Where the F did that come from?
I guess I must have done something in the game to piss you off or something, otherwise this rage just doesn't make sense. Guess I must have shot down your la7 when you tried a lazy joust then tried to run away. Who knows, I don't know you or what you fly, nor do I care.
My rage is directed at the question... Not at you stang.
I just get sick of reading about how this playstyle or that playstyle is wrong.
Everyone in this game... everyone... Plays differently every night.
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kurt... that is because you don't understand what a furball is or why we enjoy em.
lazs
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Love a really good furball.
Some of the best furballs I've been in were when defending a base.
Strat? Yep I see strat as a positive part of AH. I don't do it well and prefer the fighter roll to attack or bombing.
Both are needed to make AH into AH IMHO.
Seen base capture/attack 's that seemed a waste to me. Seemed mainly just vulchers looking for kills. But many many vultures. Took like 3 or 4 hours for someone to finally take the base, and in some cases no capture ever occurs.
Not objecting just observing. I really like/enjoy those long furballs most of the time. Yet I can see where they make no sense to the strat thinkers.
The furballers TEND to come in and ignore the ack and fh's and vh's etc. They just try to pick off defenders as they up.
IMHO if your gonna attack a base then the goal should be capture unless you're trying to divert nme resources.....
And HEY vulching is SOOOO much better when you get rid of the ACK!!!!
Also helps the strat guys get the VH. So many times see em down the FH's and ignore the VH.
Anyways IMHO AH needs BOTH! And this argument/discussion is ... not very useful?
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Here's my 0.02 Euros: (BTW, what is that denomination? Is 1/100th of a Euro a cent?)
Anyway...
I, like several others in this post, prefer to mix things up. If I log on and there's only 0-2 squaddies, we just do our own thing. I like to find the biggest red darbar and go fight. Furballin' is fun.
Squad nights we try and capture bases. It's really just kind of fun to organize a mission--picking plane(s), bombers, escorts, troop carrier, whatever.
So I don't really care either way--furballin' vs. land grabbin'.
Some people just get frustrated at other people's style of play. Everyone has different objectives in this game. My objective? HAVE FUN/Challenge Myself.
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OMG,
Heheheheheheheheh
Just thought I'd add some fuel to the fire!
From the HiTech Creations, Inc. website > HTC Home > Help > Getting Started > Gameplay
"Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective of Aces High."
Didn't see a section on "Furballing" though. Still looking. ;)
Looks like HTC has weighed in! :lol
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Maybe strat players get tired of something like bozos placing CVs 3 miles in front of an enemy base for sake of a furball, when in reality placing a CV there is the best and fastest way to kill the furball itself.
LOL do you really believe this crap. I lost count of how many times I have told the "Strat" guys to not drive the carrier into the field till its safe ( VH, SB, Ord dead ). But then you hear, we need to get GVs in there, we need to get the guns closer, blah blah blah. WRONG!!!!
If the furballers had a place where the furball never died and we could always find a decent fight that wasn’t a five min flight away, then you would never hear another word about this crap from us.
At any time I can log in, grab some bombs and find somewhere to drop them. I can hit a field by myself or find some people hitting something. Strat players do not rely on the enemy for them to play their game.
To furball, you have to have a decent size group of enemy to fight against. So once the strat guys on either side take out the ability for the enemy to up there is a problem.
So for the people saying that the furballers get mad at the strat guys, your right, cause you guys are keeping us from enjoying the furball. That is an easy one to understand.
More appropriately, and to what I think this troll :) was all about, besides trying to out do Lazs last three page post :D lol, is why would any strat guy have a problem with people that furball.
Every thread that starts to address the fact that there is no place that furballers can go where they are guaranteed a furball every time, it is inundated with Straters that start throwing mud.
Personally I fly for my mood. More often then not I want to start the night fighting. So I look first for a good furball. If the gods smiled then I will furball till I cant stand it anymore and then to switch gears I will join the toolshedders or cherry pickers for a while. If I cant find a good furball I have no choice but to join either the toolshedders or cherrypickers and after a while I don't get my furball fix and I start turning into Lazs:D.
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let's all be honest here....
When the strat and maps are squewed toward the furballers having a good time it hurts the strat guys game and it is one thread after another on this BB about how there is nothing for the stat guys...
When the maps are sqewed the other way with far fields and such and the strat guys are able to make allmost all the fields useless for any fighting to occur then the furballers start post after post here about how the game is not any fun.
the real solution needs to be that the furballers need some place to fight.... like the GV guys do... the strat guys need a lot more room simply because of the scope of what they are trying to do.... I conceed this but..... they certainly don't need the entire friggin map or every single player forced to dance to their tune because there is no other game in town.
Mostly tho.... HT needs to make a profit. if you chase out one or another element then it cuts into the profit. The trick is to give everyone something to do...
I make no claims as to know what strat guys need.... I don't get on here and say "I see plenty of strat and so therefore the strat is fine the way it is".... I think too many strat guys say "the furballs are fine for my type of furballing so they must be fine with you"
a seperate area for furballers that didn't affect strat or winning the war would go a long way towards keeping everyone enjoying the game.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
a seperate area for furballers that didn't affect strat or winning the war would go a long way towards keeping everyone enjoying the game.
lazs
Absolutely Laz, but that's going to take a modification on all the maps we use so at best it's going to have to wait until the new TE comes out. With a little luck the map makers in the community will take note. I hope so anyway.
Cheers,
asw
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The great Masters of Furball Ceremonies have spoken : WE only knows what a FURBALL is.
WE are a caste WE the untouchables, WE don't want alt monkey, HTC please take those unskilled alt monkey down so WE can shot them; someone plz make some maps with 3 miles distance bases so WE can furball easily (done); plz HTC make fuel undestructable so WE can furball more (done). HTC give US indestructable CV and hangars (in progress..), give US no more upping and landing(scheduled?), give US infinite rounds .....make that unskilled land grabbers go straight by default so WE can easily shot them ( ...ohh they are so poor skilled and inferior anyway)....WE are the real Masters of the skies.
And WE think, almost......thats why they (inferiors) feels so threatened.
Life ohh... life....ohh...life....
:)
Get a look at the bottom , sometimes guys; life can be so barren even in a sim-game
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a seperate area for furballers that didn't affect strat or winning the war would go a long way towards keeping everyone enjoying the game
Just so you know laz, I disagree with this statment.
HiTech
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Originally posted by lazs2
let's all be honest here....
When the strat and maps are squewed toward the furballers having a good time it hurts the strat guys game and it is one thread after another on this BB about how there is nothing for the stat guys...
When the maps are sqewed the other way with far fields and such and the strat guys are able to make allmost all the fields useless for any fighting to occur then the furballers start post after post here about how the game is not any fun.
the real solution needs to be that the furballers need some place to fight.... like the GV guys do... the strat guys need a lot more room simply because of the scope of what they are trying to do.... I conceed this but..... they certainly don't need the entire friggin map or every single player forced to dance to their tune because there is no other game in town.
Mostly tho.... HT needs to make a profit. if you chase out one or another element then it cuts into the profit. The trick is to give everyone something to do...
I make no claims as to know what strat guys need.... I don't get on here and say "I see plenty of strat and so therefore the strat is fine the way it is".... I think too many strat guys say "the furballs are fine for my type of furballing so they must be fine with you"
a seperate area for furballers that didn't affect strat or winning the war would go a long way towards keeping everyone enjoying the game.
lazs
um could you plse let us know what nic you fly under - there doesn't seem to have been a laz or lazs2 active for a while......which if it is the case begs the question do you just fly on the bbs?
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Originally posted by Simaril
You want to furball, great. I like to find a good balanced furball, after growing enough into the game that I'm not just fodder. I'm not good enough to dive in to 2v6 odds and expect to survive, but if the mix is balanced enought that I can twist and roll for a while, I'm all for it.
you never will be either if you dont try.
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Originally posted by hitech
Just so you know laz, I disagree with this statment.
HiTech
That is unfortunate.
....unless, you are saying a seperate area that is tied to strat, though at some difficulty (ie. tank town), would be ok.
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Originally posted by Schaden
um could you plse let us know what nic you fly under - there doesn't seem to have been a laz or lazs2 active for a while......which if it is the case begs the question do you just fly on the bbs?
try lazs
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Help me out here... the strat players save the furballers by destroying the ability to furball?
Like, when the presumed 'bozo' parks a cv 5 miles off the coast, who's the thankless guy suggests a CV CAP to keep CV alive? Certainly not the furball guys - too busy scraping the waves and the dust with their bellies down at deck. Too busy having 'fun'.
There comes the strat players of the other side. The guys who'd actually take up a buff at 15k alt and experienced enough to knock individual DDs from that alt. Or the kind of guys who'd ready some 6~7 P-47s to get the CV down.
Who's the last line of defense then?
The strat guys keep a furball alive by doing things which the furball players are too lazy to do themselves - they take on the strat guys of the other side. These guys take the time and effort to do something like go kill every barracks in a 100 mile stretch of the front. When something like that happens, the strat guys start resupping that 100 miles stretch.
Or what are you trying to say?
Oh the same thing everyone says in these kind of threads. A furballer takes an eye-poke at the strat guy for a few laughs. So I'll wedgie the furball guy's briefs for some laughs of our own.
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I read threads like this and just have to smile. THis was a pretty obvious troll. I often think "this guy must be just egging the others on", but then again you can't be sure. I supose it is possible some of these guys actually believe the bunk they type too.
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Originally posted by Zanth
I read threads like this and just have to smile. THis was a pretty obvious troll. I often think "this guy must be just egging the others on", but then again you can't be sure. I supose it is possible some of these guys actually believe the bunk they type too.
:D
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LOL do you really believe this crap. I lost count of how many times I have told the "Strat" guys to not drive the carrier into the field till its safe ( VH, SB, Ord dead ). But then you hear, we need to get GVs in there, we need to get the guns closer, blah blah blah. WRONG!!!!
Much the same, I see furball guys do the same thing day by day. Just like the furbys aren't a single mass of people thinking the same things, the stratos ain't in a single spectrum of color. Some strat guys are as stupid as some furball guys, other furball guys are as cooperative and perceptive as some strat guys.
The difference is, the strat guys - though grudgingly - at least takes steps to try and prevent the inevitable. Try to take away CV control for one. If that be impossible, at least launch a separate party to go kill ords at nearby fields within the 25 mile radius. If that jobs done, run a high alt CAP, and urge players nearby to report if they see any plane that can carry 2k loads of bombs or more... and etc etc.
Furball guys do nothing. They too busy fighting. And when the CV is sunk, they start spamming ch.200 of how some people ruin their fun.
If the furballers had a place where the furball never died and we could always find a decent fight that wasn’t a five min flight away, then you would never hear another word about this crap from us.
Sorry. No such place. We all live in the same MA.
We're all individual pilots who try to fly the way we see fun. Us strat guys, to keep doing thing we think is fun, will try to organize things and make active efforts to see it done in the MA.
If you don't like that, you can always stop us.
You don't just get a land of milk and honey from God above. If you want a furball land, try your best to stop us from ruining your fun - Because we certainly will try our best to kill the objects and buildings we think necessary, in order to fulfill our own objective.
Or, if you really want a furball kept alive, and don't want to stop us, you can always beg. A little more humble attitude might get you what you want.
the real solution needs to be that the furballers need some place to fight.... like the GV guys do... the strat guys need a lot more room simply because of the scope of what they are trying to do.... I conceed this but..... they certainly don't need the entire friggin map or every single player forced to dance to their tune because there is no other game in town.
Nope.
Look, I'm not an unfair person. Even if some objects are overly powerful and useful for strat purposes, that doesn't mean all of us strat players like it that way.
For instance, there needs to be something done about deck-buff runs or dive-buff runs. The strat system still needs more revision to get it work right, and start making sense. Most of the real strat targets are like duds, so the only real option left to influence the game at a strategical/tactical scale is to go hit field objects.
There's always room to make the strat work better, so it isn't too easy for the strat guys to their job.
But really, you're asking a permanent furball Utopia with a perimeter force-field to drop out of the sky for you for free, with no intentions to step up and try to keep that Utopia alive in the terrain yourselves.
You think protecting CVs, resupping objects, organizing people, uppincg active CAP, and all these things are not worth your time - but those are many of the things required to get what you want in the MA. In short - you guys want things for free, and don't feel like working for it. You want all fun, no work.
Don't say as if the MA is strat paradise, because it isn't.
Strat guys need to shout, beg, hoax to get people in their missions. They need famous players, leaders, squads to try and get recruits to do their bidding. Often an elementary mistake ruins the whole thing in missions, and sometimes even the people recruited in the mission are so stupid and timid that they compromise the entire mission and turn it into a furball.
The only ever strategic playing that ever influences the whole MA at a large scale, is the RJO. To do this the squads communicate and plan things by e-mail, gather people around and take time to analyze what kind of thins are happening that week.
Compared to this, what kind of efforts are you furballers doing, to stop the strat guys from ruining your fun?
Nothing. Big flat zero. Nothing.
The irony of you furballers are, you need at least SOME strat guys on your own side, to engage the strat guys of the other side, to keep a furball alive, or at least brew a good furball.
How does a furball happen in the first place? A furball usually starts from a failed capture mission, which the defenders start a comeback with revenge, and then many players of both sides clash in the middle path and start a huge aero-fight.
Unless you send all of us strat players into the gas-chamber or something, we're always here in the MA. So unless you can beat us down, we're gonna influence the MA the way see fit - we play it that way for our own fun. We don't get it for free - we try.
Naturally, since you guys want to play a game yourway without any kind of active work, you want a sanctuary built.
Frankly, we're not threatened at all. I for one, would certainly not object your little bird sanctuary for furballers.
But I can bet that when the sanctuary arrives, a lot of you are gonna get so bored in it that you're gonna run back to the MA.
So yeah, sure, why not.
I support lazs's seggregated bird sanctuary idea. Hope you guys have fun in there.
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<-- nods head at kweassa. very well said.
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Just so you know laz, I disagree with this statment.
How do you see this issue HT.
Is the furball just a periodic result of your game or is it something that you see as a real style of game play?
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I've observed that most players can't really be classified into one category or the other. They tend to lean more toward one style of play, but very few are really the extremists discussed in this post.
I, for example, spend almost no time in anything with bombs on it. Once in a while I'll bring rockets or bombs to clear out GVs, but it's usually just me and a light 38. Does this mean I don't fly in such a way as to have strat goals? I don't think so. I usually fly to push back the flow of enemys all the way to their field so I can vulch. If they call for reinforcements a furball starts. If I manage to beat them all down and get to their field friendly strats are never far behind. Thus my goals align with both groups, although my methods lean toward furballer.
Also I believe the two groups are in a symbiotic relationship. Basically, strat's often stirr up hordes they can't handle and the furballers come in to face the horde. If you're deficient in either group both suffer -- the strats complain about the horde and the furballers complain they can't find a fight.
-pellik
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Much the same, I see furball guys do the same thing day by day. Just like the furbys aren't a single mass of people thinking the same things, the stratos ain't in a single spectrum of color. Some strat guys are as stupid as some furball guys, other furball guys are as cooperative and perceptive as some strat guys.
The difference is, the strat guys - though grudgingly - at least takes steps to try and prevent the inevitable. Try to take away CV control for one. If that be impossible, at least launch a separate party to go kill ords at nearby fields within the 25 mile radius. If that jobs done, run a high alt CAP, and urge players nearby to report if they see any plane that can carry 2k loads of bombs or more... and etc etc.
Furball guys do nothing. They too busy fighting. And when the CV is sunk, they start spamming ch.200 of how some people ruin their fun.
Cmon Kwesa. You say, correctly I may add, that there are Furball morons and Strat morons as well as furball and strat guys that help when needed. But then you say "Furball guys do nothing.". That is crap. I have taken carriers only to have someone with a lower score take it back and get it killed. I have climbed high over the carrier to fly high cap. Your blanket statement that Furballers do nothing is bunk.
"The difference is, the strat guys - though grudgingly - at least takes steps to try and prevent the inevitable." this is silly too. Like I said before I have seen plenty of strat guys drive carriers right into PT spawns, not killing the VH first, just to get it close enough to drop troops. Again bunk.
Sorry. No such place. We all live in the same MA.
We're all individual pilots who try to fly the way we see fun. Us strat guys, to keep doing thing we think is fun, will try to organize things and make active efforts to see it done in the MA.
If you don't like that, you can always stop us.
You don't just get a land of milk and honey from God above. If you want a furball land, try your best to stop us from ruining your fun - Because we certainly will try our best to kill the objects and buildings we think necessary, in order to fulfill our own objective.
Or, if you really want a furball kept alive, and don't want to stop us, you can always beg. A little more humble attitude might get you what you want.
Yep, typical Strat response, we have ours you aren't going to get yours so beg us not to ruine your fun.
Your attitude is the problem, "if you don't like it stop us." Hmm then that wouldn't be furballing so whats the point, were still stuck playing your game. Your statement above just shows me that you are a selfish salamander that could care less about what other people want to do as long as you get to do what you want to. I guess I thought better of you before.
But really, you're asking a permanent furball Utopia with a perimeter force-field to drop out of the sky for you for free, with no intentions to step up and try to keep that Utopia alive in the terrain yourselves.
Your the one that wants the fields that are in jeopardy so your precious strat game can have meaning. Why the hell do the people that dont give a crap about the strat have to have it?
You want all fun, no work.
Give me a break. Where in this game does it say that I need to work to play it. If your strat game causes you to look at this stuff as work then maybe you need to rethink your strat game. If you think it's work why do you do it. I thougt you strat guys like all that crap, but now you act like it's work for you and that if you have to put up with it then the rest of us do. Your out of control dude.
Compared to this, what kind of efforts are you furballers doing, to stop the strat guys from ruining your fun?
Why should we have to stop you, again playing your game. Furballing in no way affects your strat game. You in no way need to stop us from furballing to play your strat game. But we have to stop you to furball.
Don't say as if the MA is strat paradise, because it isn't.
When have you ever logged on and not been able to play your strat game, other than when the other countries have killed your country to the point that you are beaten? How many times have you not been able to play your strat game because people were furballing? At least you can play your strat game any time like it or not. Furballers have to take the few scraps that happen to come our way if they happen to come our way.
Frankly, we're not threatened at all. I for one, would certainly not object your little bird sanctuary for furballers.
But I can bet that when the sanctuary arrives, a lot of you are gonna get so bored in it that you're gonna run back to the MA.
So yeah, sure, why not.
I support lazs's segregated bird sanctuary idea. Hope you guys have fun in there.
So then why the page of BS if you have no problem with us playing the game we wished we could?:rofl
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Also I believe the two groups are in a symbiotic relationship. Basically, strat's often stirr up hordes they can't handle and the furballers come in to face the horde. If you're deficient in either group both suffer -- the strats complain about the horde and the furballers complain they can't find a fight.
This is sometimes the case. More often then not it is a one country rolling lightly defended fields with its numbers, while the country getting rolled is taking its numbers and rolling other lightly defended fields. Thus you have a game where people are hitting targets of opportunity where the defense is not so great.
In this scenario the fighting is weak at best and you spend more time wishing people would up from a vulched field ZZZZZZZZ or fighting your own guys for the meager scraps.
Personally I end going to defend, which can be fun for a while, but it is not the same fast paced fighter action as a good furball. It's very much the climb, catch a jabo that does very little manuervering kill him then climb again. Or it's being totally outnumbered and eventually vulched.
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thnks!
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The difference is, the strat guys - though grudgingly - at least takes steps to try and prevent the inevitable. Try to take away CV control for one.
Those of the "Furball" genre typically have scores that would not allow them to take control of a CV away from a 3 week newb. 99.999 % of the time, it is the strat/scorepotato who has control of the CV and either steers it into harms way and/or goes to some other part of the map and NEVER pays attention to the CV that they control.
Furball guys do nothing. They too busy fighting.
"Fighting" and "do nothing" are a complete contradiction ... try again.
You think protecting CVs, resupping objects, organizing people, uppincg active CAP, and all these things are not worth your time - but those are many of the things required to get what you want in the MA. In short - you guys want things for free, and don't feel like working for it. You want all fun, no work.
I don't think that it's "not worth my time" or beneath me ... I just don't want to do it ALL THE TIME ... simple as that.
Why is it that someone who wants to just do A2A combat need to strap on bombs and blow up buildings ... is there some sort of "work" requirement that one must get to inorder to be able to do what they think is fun ?
How 'bout this ... before one can strap on bombs, or destroy any object, they must kill at least 5 planes within 2 sorties. After they have done their "work", then they can go merrily bombing the crap out of everything. I mean ... what you have now is that you can do what it is you like to do ... immediately ... without obtaining a "work" quota.
Now if your idea of "work" is jumping in a ...
P-51/P-38/P-47/F-4U
Strapping on bombs and/or rockets
Climb to 30K
Arrive at target
Dive in and release ord ... blow something up
Zoom back up
RTB
is "work", then someone is kidding themselves.
I know the strat system all too well ... I am ex-MAW. Been there ... done that ... got the T-Shirt. Now I choose to do something else.
Question ...
Why any mention of trying to create an area, in the MA, that is STRAT impervious, the Strat dudes throw a fit ?
Answer ...
Cause it eats at their insides to think that some group of people could be enjoying themselves without blowing watermelon up and does not contribute to winning the war and prevents them from getting that all-inclusive trip to Hawaii (paid by HTC) for winning the bloody war ... OH and let us not forget the whopping 25 perks.
On the other hand ... it there were a Strat impervious area, most who would particiapte in this area, could give a rats arse as to how many buildings that you are blowing up or how many fields you have or have not captured. Have a blast ... strat till ya puke ... it has no bearing on us nor does it irk us for you to have your fun the way you like it.
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thanks for the input HT. None of the rest of this stuff really matters. it is your game and your livelyhood. If you are happy with the balance then that's it.
lazs
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Why do strat players seem so threatened by furballers?
Because the "Furball Science" proponents deny that we're all decended from the Alt Monkeys, that's why.
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Originally posted by KurtVW
Guys,
Before we all get deeply entrenched in this discussion... can I ask you one thing...
Who Cares?
Go in the game, fly your style, then go to bed. Nobody really cares what your specific reasons are except you... This board exists only for your mental masterbation.
Play the damn game.
:aok
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So, at times, we have to resort to things like.......... " Great furball @ xyz" or "Vulch light on @ xyz" especially when we need extra hands to make the capture.
If I hear a call on the radio that there is a furball at a certain base, I'll come a running usually. If I am already at a good fight I will most likely stay there :) I dont mind helping with base capture like that. When it comes to carrying ords though, I pretty much gave up on that in AH2. I do all right with rockets, but I suck at dropping bombs now. In fact....a couple weeks ago I completely missed the ground with my bombs :(
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Originally posted by hitech
Just so you know laz, I disagree with this statment.
HiTech
I find that unfortunate as well. A fighter town on each map would rock.
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Originally posted by mars01
How do you see this issue HT.
Is the furball just a periodic result of your game or is it something that you see as a real style of game play?
I would like to see an answer to this as well.
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Originally posted by lazs2
kurt... that is because you don't understand what a furball is or why we enjoy em.
lazs
I furball alot Lazs. But that doesn't mean its better than doing some other thing... Or that its worse..
I play lots of different styles, just like most of us in here. Thats why I think its dumb to keep arguing about which way is the right way.
See Simaril's signature if you need my complete feelings on this topic... :-)
And props to simiril for keeping that sig, it was one of my crowning acheivements in the field of ranting.
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Originally posted by lazs2
a seperate area for furballers that didn't affect strat or winning the war would go a long way towards keeping everyone enjoying the game.
lazs
I'm pretty sure its called 'Dueling Arena'
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Well anyone that has flown with me at all KNOWS bombs on my SpitV are strictly taboo. In fact bombs are really taboo all the time to me. (Can't believe I even think of bombing something , but I have)
I like furballs. Love em in fact. I like flying in FRONT of the horde at times to get to a base that they are upping from and get started shooting people when I can.
Start guys have thier place here and I'll give some of em profs. To just be a Bomber Guy are Heavy Jug all the time? Ohhh...BORINGGG...But it is what you enjoy and thats good for you. But here is my hang up.
If it's action you guys want and a "Team" effort , then why not hit frontline bases til you either get it of lose what your attacking from? Why can't the furballers have kills to get by you guys stirring a hornets nest RIGHT in the middle of the mix. Why does it have to be a back base...noone is around and you capture it to a bunch of WTG GUYS...NEXT TARGET? LETS KEEP ROLLING!!!
What in the world is it about 30 or 40 perks fdor reset that means so much? I get more than that in a day.
Personally figting other planes is really all I want to do. And YES if I see some buffs coming to stop my fun the they are #1 on the hit list.
I guess I just don't get it. ANd maybe I'm not trying to "See" the big picture.
Tell ya what tho.....What will tick furballers off is when they DO try to give you a hand..and you get shot down and begin cussing em on channel on VOX....Well...you prolly just did your self in for any help in the future. Rhis has happened more than once to me. I'll not help a few guys. IN FACT..as childish as it may seem...Theyll get shot down EVERYTIME im around and they have a saddle on the tail. It's pretty hard to keep 8 or 9 guys in your vision...when your the only lite fighter there helping.
Just a lil thought for when you do have a Furballers help.
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Originally posted by RedTop
If it's action you guys want and a "Team" effort , then why not hit frontline bases til you either get it of lose what your attacking from? Why can't the furballers have kills to get by you guys stirring a hornets nest RIGHT in the middle of the mix. Why does it have to be a back base...noone is around and you capture it to a bunch of WTG GUYS...NEXT TARGET? LETS KEEP ROLLING!!!
I can't speak for everyone red, but I can tell you about my squad..
Often we do fight in the mix, but if we are getting steamed over by another country that out numbers us we start hitting rear bases because frankly its tactically and stratigically intelligent.
Its tactically intelligent because its a quick capture.
Its stratigically intelligent because it diverts the enemy teams resources from the front to defend the rear and retake bases... This allows our team to press an advantage on a weakened front line.
You wouldn't think it would matter much, but consider a night where your enemy has 150 people online and you have 120... If you can use 8 men to divert 20 to 30 enemy onto the rear area you balance the front within 8 men...
Its no effort at all to get 30 reds to come back to a rear base, especially if its near the HQ.
And its that kind of thinking that wins wars, and for people like me (strat potatos I believe is my assigned title) winning wars and finding ways to unbalance an enemy advantage are the fun of the game.
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Originally posted by KurtVW
Often we do fight in the mix, but if we are getting steamed over by another country that out numbers us we start hitting rear bases because frankly its tactically and stratigically intelligent.
Its tactically intelligent because its a quick capture.
Its stratigically intelligent because it diverts the enemy teams resources from the front to defend the rear and retake bases... This allows our team to press an advantage on a weakened front line.
You wouldn't think it would matter much, but consider a night where your enemy has 150 people online and you have 120... If you can use 8 men to divert 20 to 30 enemy onto the rear area you balance the front within 8 men...
Its no effort at all to get 30 reds to come back to a rear base, especially if its near the HQ.
And its that kind of thinking that wins wars, and for people like me (strat potatos I believe is my assigned title) winning wars and finding ways to unbalance an enemy advantage are the fun of the game.
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Originally posted by KurtVW
Often we do fight in the mix, but if we are getting steamed over by another country that out numbers us we start hitting rear bases because frankly its tactically and stratigically intelligent.
Its tactically intelligent because its a quick capture.
Its stratigically intelligent because it diverts the enemy teams resources from the front to defend the rear and retake bases... This allows our team to press an advantage on a weakened front line.
You wouldn't think it would matter much, but consider a night where your enemy has 150 people online and you have 120... If you can use 8 men to divert 20 to 30 enemy onto the rear area you balance the front within 8 men...
Its no effort at all to get 30 reds to come back to a rear base, especially if its near the HQ.
And its that kind of thinking that wins wars, and for people like me (strat potatos I believe is my assigned title) winning wars and finding ways to unbalance an enemy advantage are the fun of the game.
Unfortunately this tactic would not work if the minority of "furballers" did not stay and fight the incoming hordes, halting their advance and allowing you guys time to capture the undefended fields and therefore prolong the war. See, they do a lot more than you guys think to help the strat game. ;)
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Originally posted by KurtVW
I can't speak for everyone red, but I can tell you about my squad..
Often we do fight in the mix, but if we are getting steamed over by another country that out numbers us we start hitting rear bases because frankly its tactically and stratigically intelligent.
Its tactically intelligent because its a quick capture.
Its stratigically intelligent because it diverts the enemy teams resources from the front to defend the rear and retake bases... This allows our team to press an advantage on a weakened front line.
You wouldn't think it would matter much, but consider a night where your enemy has 150 people online and you have 120... If you can use 8 men to divert 20 to 30 enemy onto the rear area you balance the front within 8 men...
Its no effort at all to get 30 reds to come back to a rear base, especially if its near the HQ.
And its that kind of thinking that wins wars, and for people like me (strat potatos I believe is my assigned title) winning wars and finding ways to unbalance an enemy advantage are the fun of the game.
Good Enuff answer there for me. Thanks:)
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Originally posted by Stang
See, they do a lot more than you think to help the strat game. ;)
You'll never hear me say otherwise Stang.. my Squad has some first rate furballers in it (important note, I am not one of them), and I have a lot of respect for their skill.
I'm the guy whos always saying that everyone contributes to this game - thats why I don't understand the folks who bash the other tactic... We all play what we play and thats what makes this game immersive. So Thats why I wonder why someone is always trying to tell me that this way or that way is wrong.
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I never said the other way was wrong, otherwise I'd be a hypocrite since I do strat some of the time :D
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Originally posted by Stang
I never said the other way was wrong, otherwise I'd be a hypocrite since I do strat some of the time :D
Cool, honey, so now that we're done fighting do I get my goodnight kiss :rofl
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Originally posted by KurtVW
You'll never hear me say otherwise Morph..
WHOA!!!! ME??? MORPH??? AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
QUAH!
:rofl
Guessing the Stang/Streetstang thing confused ya hehe
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Originally posted by Stang
Guessing the Stang/Streetstang thing confused ya hehe
Yeah, Damn Tequila... Can't trust the stuff...
Fixed my post :D
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Originally posted by KurtVW
I'm pretty sure its called 'Dueling Arena'
Wrong.....DA is for dueling, not furballing. In the DA you can duel for learning purposes, for ego boosts etc. It is NOT set up for furballs.
A duel is NOT the same as a furball.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
humble : Those of you who are "plane dependent" will always worry about what the other guy is in...the rest of us just worry about WHO the other guy is.
I just saw this in Slappies signature......
This is a GREAT statement! Salute humble... SlapShot !
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That is a good one...
Btw Soup, I'm heading west sometime next week, whenever I get everything packed up and taken care of. I'll be in Mesa outside of Phoenix probably until the end of April. Email isn't working right for some reason so, email your phone number to Neo and he can get it to me. I still have it from two years ago but don't know if it's the same since you moved...
I can't wait to drive that Fairlane :D
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Originally posted by KurtVW
I can't speak for everyone red, but I can tell you about my squad..
Often we do fight in the mix, but if we are getting steamed over by another country that out numbers us we start hitting rear bases because frankly its tactically and stratigically intelligent.
Its tactically intelligent because its a quick capture.
Its stratigically intelligent because it diverts the enemy teams resources from the front to defend the rear and retake bases... This allows our team to press an advantage on a weakened front line.
You wouldn't think it would matter much, but consider a night where your enemy has 150 people online and you have 120... If you can use 8 men to divert 20 to 30 enemy onto the rear area you balance the front within 8 men...
Its no effort at all to get 30 reds to come back to a rear base, especially if its near the HQ.
And its that kind of thinking that wins wars, and for people like me (strat potatos I believe is my assigned title) winning wars and finding ways to unbalance an enemy advantage are the fun of the game.
You may well be an exception to the rule Kurt. I too "fondly" remember all the "strat potatos" hammering away at useless Bish bases and patting themselves on the back with each undefended base captured... while the Knits rolled over the few folks trying to hold them back.
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Originally posted by Stang
That is a good one...
Btw Soup, I'm heading west sometime next week, whenever I get everything packed up and taken care of. I'll be in Mesa outside of Phoenix probably until the end of April. Email isn't working right for some reason so, email your phone number to Neo and he can get it to me. I still have it from two years ago but don't know if it's the same since you moved...
I can't wait to drive that Fairlane :D
Well you will be in the right place Stang. What you doing for Christmas? If you want to "kick it" down here you are welcome to. Heck you and Wu could go catch a beer or chase women or something !
The Barrett-Jackson auction will be in January. We are already talking about getting some folks and going up that way to see it and staying over night. Then doing a run over to the Pavillions for another car gathering the next day. It is WILD around the auction time. There will be 1500-1800 cars in one mall parking lot alone (not counting the auction).
I will get the email to NEO (tho my number is still the same).
Call me before you leave if you have to. Looking forward to a ride in your killer machine. Never had the chance to ride in one and they are SWEET !
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Yeah, she is sweet, only the 5 speed though couldn't afford the 6 speed at an extra two grand, plus I didn't want that crappy traction control or abs brakes anyway...
I'm gonna fly home for Christmas for a couple days so no worries there but thanks for the offer Boss. Is that car auction close or around the Phoenix area? Wait... I seem to remember a huge auction going on 2 years ago that was on the northeast side of the 101 loop that I think was a huge car show. Is that it? Was going on like the last week or so of January. Anyway, I've never been to one, that would be a blast to hook up for.
Oh btw, my thread, I can hijack it :D
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Originally posted by Stang
Yeah, she is sweet, only the 5 speed though couldn't afford the 6 speed at an extra two grand, plus I didn't want that crappy traction control or abs brakes anyway...
I'm gonna fly home for Christmas for a couple days so no worries there but thanks for the offer Boss. Is that car auction close or around the Phoenix area? Wait... I seem to remember a huge auction going on 2 years ago that was on the northeast side of the 101 loop that I think was a huge car show. Is that it? Was going on like the last week or so of January. Anyway, I've never been to one, that would be a blast to hook up for.
Oh btw, my thread, I can hijack it :D
Yes it is NE of PHX on the 101. This Auction will have everything you can imagine. Sort of like a carshow where the cars are for sale. A lot of exotic muscle cars that most read about only in books, never see, and certainly can't afford to own. You know.. Hemi Cudas that go for 6 figures.. things like that.
Then the Pavillions.. about 10 mins from the auction is supposedly the longest running, weekly car gathering in the nation. Every Sat, year round, rain or shine (it is almost always shine here)... anything from about 400 cars to 1500-1800 during auction weekend. You will see money flying around like you wouldn't beleive during the weekend. One guy next to me had 5 cars he dragged over to the Pavillions... and each was priced mid 20's to mid 30's. Sold three of them while I was parked next to him. $1k bills being handed around as deposits etc. WILD !
Then the street car, tuner crowd rolls in a little later in the evening and the women that come in with that crowd..... LAWD !
They did a magazine shoot of a tricked out Acura ... which the asked if they could shoot in front of my Cobra. I said.. SURE....
The babe they had as a model.... HOT !
Yeah... we will have to do the car circuit when you get here.
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Wow, that sounds so friggin cool can't wait. The place I stayed two years ago was about two miles from the auction. I knew it was big because when I walked outside I could hear the guy auctioning off the cars like he was standing right next to me. Would be an even better trip up for ya if I can qualify for the Phoenix Open, I think they're right around the same time.
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Originally posted by 4510
You may well be an exception to the rule Kurt.
Thanks Soup... The world will be a happier place when the majority realize that I am the exception to the rule. I truly do value winning the war simply by trying to out think the guy on the other team who is just like me...
I fight against the enemy stratigist. And I know that there are more than 3 of us.
So to those guys, I raise my glass, because those are the guys who make me work for my wins.
I get shot down in furballs first of all my guys, but if we are going deep and sneaky... Thats different.
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Well Kurt... I tended to be an inbetween type myself. I really wasn't rabid over land grab, rarely carried ordinance, but would empty my clip strafing if I arrived a field and the strat guys trying to grab it needed some help killing the town.
I enjoyed the strategy side of it also. I would be the guy that loaded up the Bf-110 with drop tanks... and throttled back to save fuel... and went way behind the lines to knock off strat milk runners that were porking our strat targets that happened to be behind their lines. Heck in AW on the old ETO map.. I would fly a 109 across the whole of Cland... to knock off the milking Az hitting a Cland target... and then travel back across Cland to Bland. :rolleyes:
Yeah I know... I just put Shane to sleep. There was just a hunter and hunted sort of thing. Going out I was often the hunter... coming home I was often the hunted. :aok
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Ah, AW... Ever talked about in here...
In AW I was mostly a bomber pilot, I went by Gunzzz in there (give or take a Z or two, there were many).
And in AW I still liked long bomber flights... I was also a B country pilot... I remember a long flight over C land to the Spit Factory when a 190 jumped me... Thanks to AW physics I was able to push the old B17 into a dive then loop over the top and shoot the 190 from my top turret... (beware AW pilots talking about game mechanics... AW was aerodynamically-fatally-flawed but we will never admit it)
And thats the best part... All the AW guys in here saying AW was better... I just remember that B17 doing a loop to position a 190 in my top turret.... haha, yeah... AW, the pinnacle of realism :-)
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Originally posted by Patches
HMMMMM....
I have a comprimised between Furballers and Strat folks...
If Everyone flew the F4U series of aircraft.....
Everyone would get the excitement for which they're looking!
Think about it...you can fly fast, or slow, bomb or furball, land on land, or land on CVs, fly high, or fly low....
You can fly early war, circa 1942 vintage aircraft (F4U-1), or late war, circa 1945 aircraft(F4U-1C or F4U-4), or Mid-War (F4U-1D) all in one series of aircraft that evolved from furballer to air-to-ground attack aircraft that were first relagated to the ground, but found their way to sea!
Now, really, Folks....think about it....you can shoot down bombers, too, from 20K on up! And, for you bomber folks, the F4U can carry about 3K worth of Ordnance (and 2400 rounds of .50 caliber machine gun ammunition for those pesky F4Us diving from above), nearly on a par with the A-20 (which carries 1K more, I think). What more can you ask for?
So, all of you threatened Strat players...
And all of you non-timid furballers....
All of you bomber pilots wishing you had escorts, high and low (not to mention the gunners you can carry),
Joins wings and fly the F4U series of aircraft for fun furballs, great strat missions, and high (deep penetration) and low level (NOE) bomber runs.
Choosing an F4U marks you as a pilot willing to accept ALL challenges.
If you don't believe me....fly an F4U.
Semper Fidelis!
Patches
The F4U was one of my favourite planes in AH and in WB before that. I always loved the USN planes and carrier ops. I used the F4U in all the roles you mentioned, and I agree absolutely with everything you said! :aok
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I found it really interesting that no one has yet responded to this comment. It sums up the whole furballers vs strat players debate for me. Name a game -- Aces High, Gin Rummy, Monopoly, whatever, and you can name a way in which it can be won, except for maybe Kick the Can.
If the objective of the game, as quoted below, is to win by capturing enough territory to effect a reset (and receive the corresponding message: "The Knits/Rooks/Bish have won the war...") we have a pretty well structured culture to foster the on-going debate between strat players and furball types.
I am unabashedly a strat player, but, have taken to furballing since it has become (IMHO) the overwhelming style of gameplay, particularly since the release of AH2, and I simply find it too frustrating to do much else.
I was originally recruited into my squad because I apparently gave the appearance of being a team player. To each his own, but team play is what makes the game fun for me. Organized missions or other forms of team play that seek to overwhelm the enemy and otherwise "win the game" are what I enjoy. Strat play, with the objective of effecting a reset, requires some amount game/strategic knowledge, planning and cooperation. With that being said, furballing seems about as pointed as the game of Kick the Can that I mentioned above. Yes it can be a lot of fun, but (again, for me) achieves no real objective -- you just keep kicking and kicking and kicking......
I have no doubt the debate will continue. It certainly seems to me that the current strat set (and apparent mind set) in AH2 strongly favors those whose idea of fun is an endless furball. I just hope that the AH of the future holds more promise for us strat weinies.
OB1
Originally posted by XrightyX
OMG,
Heheheheheheheheh
Just thought I'd add some fuel to the fire!
From the HiTech Creations, Inc. website > HTC Home > Help > Getting Started > Gameplay
"Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective of Aces High."
Didn't see a section on "Furballing" though. Still looking. ;)
Looks like HTC has weighed in! :lol
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Originally posted by OB1
Organized missions or other forms of team play that seek to overwhelm the enemy and otherwise "win the game" are what I enjoy. Strat play, with the objective of effecting a reset, requires some amount game/strategic knowledge, planning and cooperation. With that being said, furballing seems about as pointed as the game of Kick the Can that I mentioned above. Yes it can be a lot of fun, but (again, for me) achieves no real objective -- you just keep kicking and kicking and kicking......
Exactly. Chess without Kings. The objective? Erm...... :confused:
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Originally posted by OB1
I have no doubt the debate will continue. It certainly seems to me that the current strat set (and apparent mind set) in AH2 strongly favors those whose idea of fun is an endless furball. I just hope that the AH of the future holds more promise for us strat weinies.
OB1
Well this is interesting ... because the furballers would probably indicate just the opposite. That the predominant style of play is the strat based, pork and auger, real estate grab!
Does the truth lie somewhere inbetween the two extremes?
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kurt, I guess we never really will understand each other. I don't want a sepereate arena... an "area" is not an arena much like tank town is not a seperate arena.
I also have no interest in "winning the war" in all the years I have played I don't think I was ever on when my side "won the war" no interest at all in it. Even the radio chatter is different in the areas where serious guys are trying to "win the war" I enjoy the company of the furballers a lot more.
There are 30 or 40 guys that I see regularly in the past (just started again after about 5 months off) and it seems like I am seeing about that many all the time now tho some are new guys to me.... I have never seen you or a lot of the guys who claim to be "all around" guys who enjoy "all aspects" of the game. either they play at midnight or they sure as hell don't play the aspect of the game thjat the 40-60 or so guys play that are on and trying to find a decent furball.
If strat ruins the abiltity to furball or if strat is nothing but a land grabbing horde then it is not much fun for us... if it involves a lot of low level action with close fields or CV's then we are in.... that doesnm't mean we care who takes the field.... it mostly means that we really don't want the field taken or the cv sunk.
no... I don't think we will ever understand each other.
lazs
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to help understand...for a lot of players... furballers.. we will fight and help people in trouble. you will run into a brick wall tho when you ask us to..
carry a bomb..
fly up to 15k to intercept or cap..
shoot at anything but an ack..
help you destroy the fighter hangers or cv at a good fite.
As for one group or the other complaining? been here for years... when the game is squewed toward the furballers... close fields etc.. the strat guys whine loudly and the furballers say "what are you complaining about? there is plenty of strat."
when the game is squed toward the strat guys the furballers complain mightily and the strat guys say "what do you mean? there are furballes everywhere and you have plenty of chances to be in one."
All this means is that neither side understands what the other enjoys... those who claim to do both don't seem to uinderstand either side.
that is AH and I haven't seen any "solution" to gameplay that didn't make things better for one group and worse for the other.
lazs