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Special Events Forums => King of the Hill => Topic started by: BigMax on December 04, 2004, 06:55:26 PM
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KoTH will be held on December 4th @ 2100 EST (-5Z)
Hope to see yas there
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Such a joke max .... he wouldn't in on me ... as simple as that .. i was 4 k lower the entire time
any so-called winner of this hahhahaha whatever
Max you ought to stay and tower and watch things if your going to judge
such a bs last min judgment
what did you do ef halfway through flying and start looking?
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it's a fraud sorry......
too bad max has to rush some judgements, while ignoreing others.......
you don't see that he has more E he has the choice to dive on me!!!!!
are you a noob .... at any time he could have in'd and then turned away rather than do it ...
then i kept talking about it because it was bs .. and you proably just started watching ... you have no idea...
I waited and waited ... he floated around like he always does at 8k ... is that breackign the rules ... round before he did it while above hotdogman
hotdogman who calls for me to turn after this while running from someone else forget his name ... point is .. you don't see crap ... and you make arbitraty judgments based on whineing.........
why wasn't hotdogman forced to turn?
why did guy chaseing him give up and then hotdog demaned i turn the lute float down and bnz me ... hotdog was running from lute wasn't he ?
ya max fuzzy ain't it .. and your full of it
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point is your not even paying attetion and are hardly an impartial judge.... if you were you'd be makeing people turn left and right .....
but you aren't .. you only make poeple turn when someone has the time to whine about it.........
you don't enforce crap max... just whines
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LOL what did I miss wow.
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Well you missed me forgeting to wind up the 262 before letting off the brakes..
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Originally posted by nopoop
Well you missed me forgeting to wind up the 262 before letting off the brakes..
you know...i never even thought 'bout doing that. Good idea
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Enjoyed flyin with you guys last night. Thats the first time in a long time I've been able to get in on a KOTH, and it was even more fun than I remembered. I saw some kick-prettythang dogfights, best fighting I've seen in a long long time.
As for you Mane, BigMax was pretty much the only friend you had in there after running your mouth all night. Even to the end of the match he defended you, you just left him no choice but to do his official duty. Some of the guys may have been baiting you a little, but I cant say I blame them when you did nothing but attack people personally and insult people the entire time you were there. Where you got those crazy accusations you levelled at me after the 1st round I have no idea, I never fired a single shot at you the entire night. I saw you GET hit in that 1st round, and I was in the same area as you, but I even stayed off you and went after other guys because you were missing one of your ailerons. Technically, I probably broke the rules by NOT coming after your parnanoid prettythang. I hope you get through whatever it is thats bugging you, but dont take it out on BigMax. He's the only support you got.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Enjoyed flyin with you guys last night. Thats the first time in a long time I've been able to get in on a KOTH, and it was even more fun than I remembered. I saw some kick-prettythang dogfights, best fighting I've seen in a long long time.
Only caught the last 2 rounds , but probably had more fun fights than a week in the MA.
Can recommend it to anyone considering having a go.
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So what was the Ending result? I know I had 2 wins with Manetmp, and 102jish.
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Originally posted by MwDogg
So what was the Ending result? I know I had 2 wins with Manetmp, and 102jish.
You missed some GREAT fun. Graenmet ended up takin' it all. It was down to BigMax, 102Jish, and Graenmet. Graenmet was flying towards BigMax (who beat Jish, but got his oil popped) and unfort, BigMax lost his E RIGHT as they were getin' close to each other.
Sux you didn't realize that you had it "won" in that round you flew. All ya' had to do when he lost his engine was climb a bit, but you took the fight to 'em and it ended in one of the closer "deaths" i've seen.
Great Fun!
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Yep, If I only knew I had to win that round to win it all, U bet your arse I would have went up and climbed, lol.
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:)
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I've been staying away from the thread for a day or two to mellow out...
Mane, I flew three whole rounds that night and I WAS watching the fight in question for more than three minutes. Like I said on private to you after KoTH, our rules state that there is a 60 second extension limit - you broke that - plain and simple. Lute had established the offensive position while pursuing you - by rule, it was you who to reverse. And again, I asked you to reverse, then told you you had to reverse, the warned you I'd eject you IF you didn't, then I ejected you when you didn't comply... Is pretty cut-n-dry. I made a decision, you disagreed, argued with and ignored my decision which forced me to throw you out. Whether or not Lute had an alt advantage is immaterial, he knew you had to turn within 60 seconds - why should he blow it when you refused to reverse?
And lastly, when a CM has to make a decision like this, the playing community must respect it. We have to be impatial judges and make decisions that we feel are in the best interest of the game. When we do, it's not open for negotiation. Your avenue for recourse is here on the message boards and/or you may contact HTC directly and voice your discontent. In any case, arguing with and refusing to do what a CM asks during an event will most assuredly get you ejected, as it did in this case.
I know you still disagree Mane, your opinion is noted. I stand by my decision and will do the same thing again should the situation arise anew. I do regret that it had to be this way.
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maybe alittle more heated than i should be .. but fact remains ..
People have been asking me to turn after BLATENTLY RUNNING all the sudden they have time to type so I should be the one to turn ..... ?
wish I had filmed it
what about people chaseing lute? I sure someone wanted to in on him ... but he was high and runnign away .... they were maybe too busy watching thier 6 though
why was lute able to run from TW in the frist round in 262's ... i'm fighting some koth newguy he drags tw9 by me twice goign out of icons! etc etc etc etc .. round after round of them running and never haveing to answer for it .. yet he wants me to turn when there are ton of cons below him some co-alt with me and many below both... but he tries claiming i should turn for him(he is not the only con)..... this one sided bs starts to annoy me, and ya i start typeing about!
The round before you acted so judicously, Lute was hoveing above me refuseing to come down and fight while we were alone! ... hotdogman shows up from the north DRAGGING! a player south towards us ... this player eventualy gives up and breaks off, he doesn't ask hotdog to turn.
about 60 seconds later hotdog gets on my low 6 asks me to turn .... so I slow down and fight ... then of course hovering lute comes in...... now he feels like fighting....
IMHO you should be makeing people turn left and right and your not .. only when they have the time to whine ...... you can't watch every fight at once ..
and as things have been you don't make people turn back into fights unless someone whines about it
I got busy talking and argureing with you instead of fighting, and did extend beyond the furball typeing to people like you about things like this ... I guess you'll still miss the point though
so one question.....why don't you make people turn unless someone whines?
From my POV many players are running like mad ... just playing like i see everyone else playing Max....and you let it happen
...you don't have the manpower or the will to refree this thing.... take your pick
so change the rules or start enforceing them
no offence just the way I see things
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Originally posted by Manedew
what about people chaseing lute? I sure someone wanted to in on him ... but he was high and runnign away .... they were maybe too busy watching thier 6 though
why was lute able to run from TW in the frist round in 262's ... i'm fighting some koth newguy he drags tw9 by me twice goign out of icons! etc etc etc etc .. round after round of them running and never haveing to answer for it .. yet he wants me to turn when there are ton of cons below him some co-alt with me and many below both... but he tries claiming i should turn for him(he is not the only con)..... this one sided bs starts to annoy me, and ya i start typeing about!
IMHO you should be makeing people turn left and right and your not .. only when they have the time to whine ...... you can't watch every fight at once ..
and as things have been you don't make people turn back into fights unless someone whines about it
so one question.....why don't you make people turn unless someone whines?
From my POV many players are running like mad ... just playing like i see everyone else playing Max....and you let it happen
...you don't have the manpower or the will to refree this thing.... take your pick
so change the rules or start enforceing them
no offence just the way I see things
To answer all of this at once...
Whenever I see someone running I do say something about it... Normally I do it without calling people out, unless they don't take the hint - most do. If they don't I call them by name and use the same procdure I used with you.
When someone complains about someone else, I wingman them, go to their location in "Eye" mode and evaluate the situation.
As far a Lute running, he fights with "E" in mind and usually refuses to commit to a "locked-up" furball when there are other threats in the immediate area - he uses engage-extend-engage tactics. But on the other hand, when the situation dictates, I've seen him tie it up with the best of them... If he or anyone else is running for an extended period of time, bring it to my attention and I will handle it.
Again,
You are trying to establish my negligence on your opinion of the way a fight developed previously... One that I didn't see & you didn't mention until the next round. With 20 to 30 players online during any KoTH, it is impossible to be everywhere at once. And yes those who make their greivance known get the focus of my attention - "WHEN IT IS DONE WHILE THE INFRACTION IS HAPPENING".
As to your last thought...
I hate to say it, but I obviously have both as evidenced by your ejection.
***Simply stated, I must enforce the rules the way I see them - not the way YOU want me too.***
My philosophy on hosting KoTH:
It is the players event... I host it for the enjoyment of the community because I feel that it is the single best event AH has to offer. It is a learning tool and a sounding board for pilot skills. The rules are meant to be strictly and evenly enforced. My ultimate goal is to ensure that everyone has fun and will return.
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I hope this discussion doesn't discourage anyone from coming out to try KoTH. It is a great event and probably the single best one to hone your skills amongst some of the best players in the game.
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well at least you agree with me on many points I make weather you realize it or not ....
Mainly I'm saying your one man, and you can't watch everything and you agree....so if you whine.....maybe that has something to do with why I started.... hummmm
after getting his butt handed to him in DA other day Lute said he would basicly hunt me in KOTH .... In the very frist round of KOTH dragged tw9 by me twice .. tw9 killed me second time ... tw9 seems to remember a few experiances as such ... so maybe you can see my annoyance with a guy like Lute ...
his asking me to turn? at the frist ask there are other cons around.... how come he can E fight out of these situations .. but it's illegal for me?
As far a Lute running, he fights with "E" in mind and usually refuses to commit to a "locked-up" furball when there are other threats in the immediate area - he uses engage-extend-engage tactics. But on the other hand, when the situation dictates, I've seen him tie it up with the best of them... If he or anyone else is running for an extended period of time, bring it to my attention and I will handle it.
but I guess you meant after I was argueing with you .... and not even paying attention much, trying to type out how biased I thought this was??
I should have stoped typeing about it and turned and fought .. but I was getting tired of Lute's attitude. I guess that's where I extended too long ... while I was typeing about it.....
KOTH is fun man ... but you generaly admit people have to take the time, effort and lack of charachter to whine for most judgements to be made....
you are after all only one man :) can't be everywhere at once
sorry if I'm harsh .... but I get pleanty of harsh treatment, so I tend to push some back out a bit. Sometimes on someone who doesn't deserve it(like you max) ... but as long as I get crap from AH players hard for me to stop being generaly bitter in response.
but I try
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I missed KOTH, Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooo *breath* Noooooooooooo ...
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It's all good...
& on Mane's behalf, personal vendettas are not to be settled in KoTH. Please take that to the DA.
EKoTH is Friday December 10th @ 1600 EST...
KoTH-ToC will be the 18th at approximately 1600EST...
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Originally posted by TW9
must say lute does spend more time running or grabbin alt than he does actually fighting..
funny thing we ( me ) was calling the same thing on you when it was down to last 3 or 4 in individual rounds, I could see no difference in comparison between you and Lute TW9. not bashing you though, just telling it like it is.
and as many times that I have competed with ManeTMP in KOTH or EKOTH I have never actually see him extend or run from anyone, he usually revs and cleans your clock in less then 10 seconds!
as BigMax pointed out, personal vandettas don't belong here, and I have heard on more than 1 occassion 1 of the 3 players involved say he was going hunting for a particular person to make sure he did not win a KOTH for that month...........
I am here to have fun, I will call you if you break the alt cap , run for to long, or try avoiding the Big Guns when we have 2 or 3 with 2 rounds won, yet you avoid them to kill off other no round winners hoping someone else will kill the 2 rd winners (wabbits ) for you.....
my philosphy is go for the biggest threat first, if someone has already won 2rds then they are the biggest threat, if you let them last til the last 2, the KOTH is over for another whole month........not saying gang them, but at least don't avoid them........you kill off everyone else you only hurting yourself and throwing away your chance at at least winning a round.
I think the worst part of this issue is Mane got caught up in the typing text fiasco, and forgot about flying and it cost him to get booted, had he reved he prob would be this months winner, again just my opinion!
oh yeah! I was 2 for 2 calling Big Max's 2 winning rds when I saw him upping for the flight, I need to start laying some money down on BigMax to help my financial sitiation! :D
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Originally posted by TW9
must say lute does spend more time running or grabbin alt than he does actually fighting..
well...THAT statement invalidates your opinion on the matter. You have NEVER seen me extend past the 60 second limit. Period. Ever. Hasn't happened, nor would.
When I'm done with a fight, I turn my bird to the next target, and yes, I grab (as does everyone) while otw to the next fight.
If you feel I don't fight, just look at the logs of past KOTH's. Not sure where/why you got this opinion TW9, but it's hardly accurate.
Mane, you had two wins, AND the one i considered the biggest threat in KOTH that night (which, is a compliment btw). You will be my 1st target to take out (if possible). If you are in a fight, I will keep as much alt/E as possible while cherrypicking you (or anyone else for that matter. tell me who (besides total noobs who don't know better) doesn't do that?) It's smart flying.
Vendetta? Hmmm.... No, no vendetta. Yes it's true I will focus on two timers 1st during KOTH's. You sir, were picked for this one. Does it have to do with my 3-1 spanking in the DA??? lol of course not. We will duel again i'm sure, and I'll get ya'. (just gota figure out your merge 1st. Sucker is GOOD) There is no vendetta, OR bad feelings about loosing in the DA to you. I'm hardly that petty. Expect me to work on it, and beat you fair and square. Anybody I've discussed our duel with will say I was very complimentary towards you about it. (something, if roles were reversed, I somehow don't think you would be)
Did I fly trying to make sure YOU didn't win?? Hmmm..... I would say that's in all likelyhood, there is a shred of truth to that But again, with your poor sportsmanship, horrible attitude, and a mouth like an pimply 8th grade lad, who wouldn't wanna kill you? Again, if I were you, and reacted to others the way you do, I would hardly be surprised that people would take delight in killing me. With a mouth like that, one would think it's expected. YOU just don't like the fact that I did it (or COULD do it). You have quite the opinion of yourself, (alot of it merited btw, you one of the top pilots in the game) but do you have to be such a baby and rude? Bad form.
IF you were not there, and say WldThing was, I would have focused on him. Or Fester, or Urchin, or Shane...etc... Heck, others do it to me, and you don't hear me whining like a baby 'bout it. I recall one KOTH where I raced out to two wins in the 1st 3 rounds (ALMOST 3 wins durn it) and was horribly gang banged for the next three + hours. Did I crybaby on the bbs 'bout it? Of course not. Did it get old? Yes it did, and was quite frustrating, but I laugh about it now.
When there are multiple con's in the area, you will drag them to each other, get THEM to fight, and then come back and kill the survivor. Is that bad? Nope, it's smart. What you started really whining about, is when the two didn't fight, and stayed on you. THAT is to be expected with a two timer. It's how it's done. Sorry you don't like it, but that is gonna happen. (please see above parag. about geting ganged like that and not whining) Heck, in many a KOTH i've had 4-8 guys on me to the exclusion of each other when I have 2 wins. Again, not something to be a baby about.
About the final fight where you were booted. I had alt and a ton o' E on you, and you were fighting another pilot. When I came into the fight, you broke and ran. The other guy was @ 1k ish out from u, and chased you for over a min. I stayed behind him w/ alt and also chased. After that min you HAD to turn. That's the rules. If roles were reversed, I would have turned and fought. But you kept on going. After about min. # 2 the other pilot finally broke. I stayed on you and you ran, and you ran, and you ran. Could I have dove in on you and blown my advantage? Sure. Did I HAVE to? No. The RULES are you have to turn and fight. Period. Soooo.... after 60seconds you had to break back and fight. Could you then, after turning back, extend again? (like I saw you do many a times that night. Do a 1/2 hearted merge, then start running again) sure, you coulda done that. THAT would be within the rules. There isn't much else to discuss here. Over 4min or extending (almost 5, you never did turn until i broke off) SHOULD get you booted. Sux I came in with alt/E on you, but I did. What SUX more is your flagrant breaking of the KOTH rules.
Your mad because I didn't blow my position to fight your fight. Sorry 'bout that laddie, but that's not gonna happen. If I have position on you, I'm gonna keep any and all advantages I can. As sir do you, or any other pilot that flys.
BigMax has the right of it, and he did what he felt he had to. I'm sorry you forced that situation on him. Shows a total lack of charachter. In the future KOTH's (like say this Fri. at 4pm eastern, or the tournement o' champs on the 18th) do I expect you to hunt me? Sure, why not. Would be fun. Will I go to the bbs and crybaby about it? LOL hardly.
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KOTH has always been a "brotherhood", many of us have flown against each other in KOTH for a long long time.. Incidents happen, watermelon happens, were all here to have fun, and KOTH is the gateway. Were furball driven psychopaths, even if we dont want to admit it. I know during my KOTH days i loved to win, and fly as smart as i could.. But there would always be that one bastige that would crawl up to my arse and try to rip me a new one.. It was always an exilirating experience.
Rules that BM has enforced are and should be respected, i know from personal experience, ive done things that shouldnt have been done.. And especially that extending issue.. But i know i had made a mistake and was willing to accept it.
But my overall point is that, KOTH should be a fun event, most of us are there to kill and be killed, we get angry we get mad, and yet we love each other, or we wouldnt be back next month to try to kill that person that ruined your win the prior month. It's all in fun, and you know you will never make that mistake again..
Events like KOTH are what makes each and every one of us great pilots. .;)
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Great Post WT
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Couldnīt have said it better.Great post Wldthng
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