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Title: airfield landings
Post by: killnu on December 04, 2004, 10:34:31 PM
any chance of gettin landing on airfield not being a ditch?  pretty sure all airfields in ww2 didnt have nice paved runways.  :(
Title: airfield landings
Post by: Rino on December 05, 2004, 12:08:27 PM
Man you're picky Killn, I landed safely last night in a tiffy
upside down and on fire, oh yeah..the wings were gone too!
:lol
Title: airfield landings
Post by: killnu on December 05, 2004, 04:38:47 PM
3 times in 2 days now, ive made it home in beat up bird, to hit runway, spin off of it for a ditch.  i mean dang, i actually put it on the airfield at least.  :D   it stinks to return to tower looking at the runway 5 ft away.:mad:
Title: airfield landings
Post by: Raider179 on December 05, 2004, 05:16:04 PM
Try this one...262 engine out landed a little long. Couldnt turn around and taxi back with one engine. just spun in circles..got me a ditch.
As long as the landing doesnt kill you or total the plane it should count.
Title: airfield landings
Post by: Stang on December 05, 2004, 05:16:15 PM
You could fly like a timid wuss, never have a chance of getting shot up and this problem would go away.  



:D
Title: airfield landings
Post by: killnu on December 05, 2004, 06:04:05 PM
or stang, HTC could read this gameplay request and fix it.  ;)
Title: airfield landings
Post by: StarOfAfrica2 on December 05, 2004, 07:21:11 PM
What is there to "fix"?  If you didnt land,  you didnt land.  You ditched.  

Dictionary defines "ditch" as..........

To crash-land (an aircraft) on water or land.

v. intr.
To dig a ditch.
To crash-land in water. Used of an aircraft or a pilot.

Very simply, you crack up the plane, you dont get the extra points for making a landing.  Even if you land the plane, but say are out of fuel and cant keep it on the runway or come up just short, its not a landing.  Try taking somebody's Cessna up and bring it down somewhere besides a runway.  I bet they wont be too impressed with your definition of "landing".
Title: airfield landings
Post by: cobia38 on December 05, 2004, 07:42:52 PM
We can land ?? wow i thought runways wher just fo takeing off.

                                      :D
Title: airfield landings
Post by: killnu on December 05, 2004, 08:46:01 PM
a cessna?  you bring up a cessna when talking about dogfighing WW2 planes?  

go away
Title: airfield landings
Post by: Ack-Ack on December 05, 2004, 09:53:48 PM
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
What is there to "fix"?  If you didnt land,  you didnt land.  You ditched.  

Dictionary defines "ditch" as..........

To crash-land (an aircraft) on water or land.

v. intr.
To dig a ditch.
To crash-land in water. Used of an aircraft or a pilot.

Very simply, you crack up the plane, you dont get the extra points for making a landing.  Even if you land the plane, but say are out of fuel and cant keep it on the runway or come up just short, its not a landing.  Try taking somebody's Cessna up and bring it down somewhere besides a runway.  I bet they wont be too impressed with your definition of "landing".



In this game if you just have your nose wheel a hair off the runway, it will count as a ditch.  KillnU is right.  You land on your field you should get a successful landing.  

Don't argue the realism card because this game has way too many gamey features for that to be used as an argument.


ack-ack
Title: airfield landings
Post by: Murdr on December 06, 2004, 12:24:41 AM
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Dictionary defines "ditch" as..........

To crash-land (an aircraft) on water or land.
 ....Try taking somebody's Cessna up and bring it down somewhere besides a runway. I bet they wont be too impressed with your definition of "landing".
I missed the part where killnu said he crash landed, in fact he said he did bring it down on the runway.  He just didnt park it on the hardtop.  Try parking your Cessna on the runway, and see how long it is until someone gets upset about it.
Title: airfield landings
Post by: CavemanJ on December 06, 2004, 09:11:24 AM
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
What is there to "fix"?  If you didnt land,  you didnt land.  You ditched.  

Dictionary defines "ditch" as..........

To crash-land (an aircraft) on water or land.

v. intr.
To dig a ditch.
To crash-land in water. Used of an aircraft or a pilot.

Very simply, you crack up the plane, you dont get the extra points for making a landing.  Even if you land the plane, but say are out of fuel and cant keep it on the runway or come up just short, its not a landing.  Try taking somebody's Cessna up and bring it down somewhere besides a runway.  I bet they wont be too impressed with your definition of "landing".


Well... in this case.. I guess when you get your main gear shot off and have to belly in they better quit counting it as a landing, even though you slide it right down the center of the runway....

Raider I hear  ya on the 262.  It seems (and always has) with multi-engine birds that if one engine dies it sets the parking brake on the wheels.  You're ok until you stop moving... if you stop you won't start moving again, you'll just pivot on the side with the dead engine.
Title: airfield landings
Post by: debuman on December 06, 2004, 10:51:16 AM
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2

Very simply, you crack up the plane, you dont get the extra points for making a landing.  Even if you land the plane, but say are out of fuel and cant keep it on the runway or come up just short, its not a landing.  Try taking somebody's Cessna up and bring it down somewhere besides a runway.  I bet they wont be too impressed with your definition of "landing".


But in AH, you can put your plane down on the runway without the gear down, slide down the runway breaking off the propeller, wings, and several other parts, and as long as it stops ON the runway - you get a "SUCCESSFUL LANDING".  On the other hand, you can do a perfect 3 point landing setting it down soft as a feather, taxi 6 inches off the runway - and get a "YOU HAVE DITCHED" message.

If I were the above mentioned Cessna owner, I'd much prefer to have my plane in one piece and able to be pushed/towed back on the runway than have to pick it up with a brrom, dustpan and a tow truck.
Title: airfield landings
Post by: straffo on December 06, 2004, 10:57:23 AM
You should have the option to "push" your plane :)

Imagine pushing  the joystick to put your plane on the runway at the incredible speed of 2 km/hour with vulcher around :D
Title: airfield landings
Post by: Urchin on December 06, 2004, 10:59:34 AM
AFAIK, you can land anywhere in a V-base or port and get a successful landing.. I usually try to land on one of the little roads though.
Title: airfield landings
Post by: mechanic on December 06, 2004, 11:36:36 AM
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Originally posted by Urchin
AFAIK, you can land anywhere in a V-base or port and get a successful landing.. I usually try to land on one of the little roads though.


ahh!  so it was you that danced all over me in your 109 at furball island the other day :)
Title: airfield landings
Post by: AKDogg on December 06, 2004, 11:41:39 AM
Can the wheel brakes be affected if engine dead when landing.  Lastnight I was in a F4U-C and I got all shot up (oil, 2 guns out, 1 wing clipped and both flaps gone).  When I landed at the beginning of the runway I began to apply brakes (speed was about 190 when wheels touched), It wasn't slowing down.  I then applied brakes fully and it started to slow down but I was still rolling to fast to stop by end of runway.  What I had to do is pull up and put wheels up then belly land it and I just barely stopped by the rearm pad but still on runway.  I just wondering if there is brake damage on planes but not listed in damage report.  This is not the first time this has happened to me and not in same plane either.  It has happened in other planes as well.
Title: airfield landings
Post by: Midnight on December 06, 2004, 11:42:13 AM
How does a ditch affect score and stats verses a succesful landing? Does a ditch count against you in K/D?
Title: airfield landings
Post by: Zanth on December 06, 2004, 11:50:01 AM
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Originally posted by Raider179
Try this one...262 engine out landed a little long. Couldnt turn around and taxi back with one engine. just spun in circles..got me a ditch.
As long as the landing doesnt kill you or total the plane it should count.


Land damaged 262's etc. at V bases or ports.  They do not have the runway requirement.
Title: airfield landings
Post by: Urchin on December 06, 2004, 12:16:07 PM
No, ditches don't count as a death.  Bails count as a death, as do captures.  Disco's count as a half a death.  

And yes Batfink, that was me.
Title: airfield landings
Post by: CavemanJ on December 06, 2004, 12:59:27 PM
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Originally posted by Urchin
No, ditches don't count as a death.  Bails count as a death, as do captures.  Disco's count as a half a death.  

And yes Batfink, that was me.


But a ditch will cost you half yer points if you're in a perk ride... royal pain when you deadstick in to a field and overrun the runway by a foot.
Title: airfield landings
Post by: Furious on December 06, 2004, 01:32:04 PM
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
...Don't argue the realism card because this game has way too many gamey features for that to be used as an argument...


right, and we all know the rules in this "game". If you can't manage, for whatever reason, to stop on the runway you deserve the ditch.
Title: airfield landings
Post by: killnu on December 06, 2004, 02:09:20 PM
ahh furious, rules were meant to be brok...ur changed. :)
Title: airfield landings
Post by: Murdr on December 06, 2004, 04:14:09 PM
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Originally posted by MwDogg
Can the wheel brakes be affected if engine dead when landing.
They certianly wouldnt be at optimal operation when the hydraulic pumps are no longer drawing fresh power from the generator that is driven by the engine.
Title: airfield landings
Post by: JB35 on December 06, 2004, 05:05:06 PM
So in WWII when a Pilot didnt land his broken shot up plane on the RR he had to sleep outside that night and not in the BLQ ?

Regardless he still made it to his home base and if he had kills he was awarded them and his plane either fixed or he was given a reserve.

I cant count the times ive landed on a wing and a prayer with kills pilot wounded oil everywhere , half a wing , no gear , canopy stuck and smoke everywhere and get half way off the RR and land and see you have ditched.

Its the fact that you as a person who has had one hell of a fight and sustained so much damage that you want to be recognised as one who made it home and lived to see your name with x and x amount of kills , and to feel proud of yourself for landing that monster at base
Title: airfield landings
Post by: Tinpot on December 06, 2004, 06:01:59 PM
If you land within the airfield perimeter you should be considered to have landed successfully. If you put it down  on water you have ditched. If you land on dry land but outside base you have made a forced landing and if you land wheels up outside the base and crack up your plane you have crash landed.

The current system is a load of rubbish. Its a nonsense.

Please listen HTC
Title: airfield landings
Post by: mechanic on December 07, 2004, 06:37:50 AM
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Originally posted by Urchin
No, ditches don't count as a death.  Bails count as a death, as do captures.  Disco's count as a half a death.  

And yes Batfink, that was me.


makes alot of sense :D

didnt realise rawr was u.

great flying.  shame we had to colide to end the stalemate   hehe

im tellin' you guys, the way urchin flies a 109 is disgustingly skilled..... :)