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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Vulcan on December 05, 2004, 05:47:18 PM
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I've noticed a lot of boeing flight manuals being posted in the newsgroups lately, latest is the 747-400. Anybody else find this unusual (and unnerving)?
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hell, the libs demand equal opurtunity for the terrorists, otherwise ya might be prejudiuce against em....
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More BS from Bodhi.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Vulcan
I've noticed a lot of boeing flight manuals being posted in the newsgroups lately, latest is the 747-400. Anybody else find this unusual (and unnerving)?
Oh please.
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I just downloaded repair manuals + part catalogs for Honda VFR750 just to get some interesting reading and no, I don't have a VFR and I wasn't going to get one.
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Originally posted by rpm
More BS from Bodhi.:rolleyes:
More ideas of "openness" from RPM:
hell, while we are at it, maybe we could tell them where to hit NORAD to take it out...
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it's just gettin' weird.
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Bohdi, if you think anyone on this board want's another terrorist attack you are very, very wrong. But seeing you get that schoolgirl giggle from posting pictures of people falling to their death is even more disturbing.
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Originally posted by rpm
Bohdi, if you think anyone on this board want's another terrorist attack you are very, very wrong. But seeing you get that schoolgirl giggle from posting pictures of people falling to their death is even more disturbing.
I find no amusement in it, but I do find it disturbing that people like you so quickly forget it. I must say I am a bit surprised that it does not bother you that you already did..
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Are you on drugs, Bodhi? Seriously. Do you think I have Al-Jazeera piped in 24/7 or something? I really don't understand where you get your ideas from.
I'll make you a bet. You do a search and show me 1 single post where I supported terrorist attacks on Americans. You find it and I'll leave the board permanently. You don't find it and you STFU and leave the board.
Put up or shut up.
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Originally posted by rpm
Are you on drugs, Bodhi? Seriously. Do you think I have Al-Jazeera piped in 24/7 or something? I really don't understand where you get your ideas from.
I'll make you a bet. You do a search and show me 1 single post where I supported terrorist attacks on Americans. You find it and I'll leave the board permanently. You don't find it and you STFU and leave the board.
Put up or shut up.
Find a post that I support it plz... as for searching your posts... mostly I try to forget the drivel that spews from your mouth. btw... u seem a bit testy.. maybe you should turn off Al Jezeera and look around...
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Just as I thought. No guts.
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Originally posted by rpm
Just as I thought. No guts.
man you're looking a little green around the gills... take the al jazeera peetah outta yer mouth, and take a deep breath.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Oh please.
http://www.newzbin.com/browse/post/899035/
Plus I have screenies from my newsreader if you want them.
This is about the 3rd or 4th posting of such manuals in alt.binaries.e-book.technical I've seen (as well as the US Army stuff by the truckload).
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Find a post that I support it plz... as for searching your posts... mostly I try to forget the drivel that spews from your mouth. btw... u seem a bit testy.. maybe you should turn off Al Jezeera and look around...
Turned that one around on him! :aok
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restricting freedom of information and civil liberties is the first step in letting terrorists win
:p
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Originally posted by rogwar
Originally posted by Bodhi
Regardless of the topic or what point one may want to prove, utilizing images of such nature, from such a tragic moment in our nations history, from such tremendous personal loss for families and the nation, was in very poor form. Utilizing such images in that manner dishonors the memory of everyone killed on that day.
Maybe it might be a good idea to consider that for a bit and remove such images from the posting. [/B]
Maybe how you (and others) propose forgetting how their lives were lost might be something worth looking at... otherwise, till Skuzzy says otherwise, they stay. :mad:
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You can find Army manuals that show you how to conduct counter-insurgency operations, make booby-traps, on how to conduct squad and platoon sized field operations. Basically, almost every army field training manual is available at most government surplus stores or on the Intardnet. You can even find instructions on how to make a nuclear bomb, so what's the big deal about getting the flight manual for a plane?
And Bodhi, your assertion that this will lead to more terrorist attacks is utter nonsense and just shows what a knee-jerk reactionary you are.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
You can find Army manuals that show you how to conduct counter-insurgency operations, make booby-traps, on how to conduct squad and platoon sized field operations. Basically, almost every army field training manual is available at most government surplus stores or on the Intardnet. You can even find instructions on how to make a nuclear bomb, so what's the big deal about getting the flight manual for a plane?
And Bodhi, your assertion that this will lead to more terrorist attacks is utter nonsense and just shows what a knee-jerk reactionary you are.
ack-ack
yep, hell of a knee jerk reactionary I am...
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When I was about 14 I was a US Airforce aircraft freak....knew almost any stat of any current US plane in detail.
I met a Luke AFB F-15 pilot and asked him how he felt about the F-15's engines being limited/governed in power. He didn't even know that, and asked me later how I knew that. He was VERY surprised that I would know this.
It was all public knowledge that I gained due to my modeling hobby.
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Ack Ack, Rogwar. At least somebody gets it.
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A few comments..
Yes, this could be intersting and prolly needs looking into. Lets not forget 911 was done rather simply and most of the prep was prolly legal and a lot of it was relatively open.
The people who dismiss this as nothing are wrong.
The people who might say lookiging into this is a vilation of 1st amemendemen rights are missing the point.
Bodhi should take the pics down...
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Hey some people like techincal stuff.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
I've noticed a lot of boeing flight manuals being posted in the newsgroups lately, latest is the 747-400. Anybody else find this unusual (and unnerving)?
Not in the slightest.
...-Gixer
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What is even more disturbing, is the fact that flight simulator programs are still sold freely. A first step in removing this threat should be a banning of the complex ad-on aircrafts for Microsoft Flight Simulator. Why would anyone but a terrorist need these programs?
We all need to make sacrifices in the war on terror. :)
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Originally posted by mora
What is even more disturbing, is the fact that flight simulator programs are still sold freely. A first step in removing this threat should be a banning of the complex ad-on aircrafts for Microsoft Flight Simulator. Why would anyone but a terrorist need these programs?
We all need to make sacrifices in the war on terror. :)
That has to be one of the dumbest comments yet.
...-Gixer
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Thanks!:D
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Bodhi: You are disgusting.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
More ideas of "openness" from RPM:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/514_1085756950_wtcjumper7.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/514_1085756937_wtcjumper2.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/514_1085756914_wtcjumper1.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/514_1085756894_wtcjumper5.jpg)
hell, while we are at it, maybe we could tell them where to hit NORAD to take it out...
Someone needs to have the concepts of taste and decency explained to them.
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I seem to remember shortly after 9/11/2001 there was talk of making flight simulators illegal, because they allowed terrorists to train on them.
Is it that time to just make everything illegal that a terrorist can get their hands on? Do not step out of line and bring attention to yourself, we are watching you.
-SW
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I wonder if games like Midtown Madness, Colin McRae Rally & others should be banned too?
After all terrorists could learn how to drive a car-bomb by playing those.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
I've noticed a lot of boeing flight manuals being posted in the newsgroups lately, latest is the 747-400. Anybody else find this unusual (and unnerving)?
I kinda get the idea, but then again... What really is 'unnerving' about an aircraft manual? If you want to understand how a flap drive works, more power to you. Be good insomniac reading I'd guess. It doesn't bother you does it?
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Originally posted by Creamo
I kinda get the idea, but then again... What really is 'unnerving' about an aircraft manual? If you want to understand how a flap drive works, more power to you. Be good insomniac reading I'd guess. It doesn't bother you does it?
Ya know Creamo, I kinda feel the same way in some ways, and in others I do not. I mean does it really hurt to know how the flap drive works, thicknesses or where a station jont is, or even the layout of the new cockpit door reinforcements? I agree the flight manual does not have that in it, but the E + M does, not to mention the availability of drawings and other publications that will provide all the ifo on where to place a 1/4 ball of demo and whammo, yet another aircraft and several hundred souls goes up in smoke.
Do I think censorship is the answer, No, do I know the answer to this problem... No! Is it increased security, better overseas relations, the annihilation of certain groups? I do not know, and I would definitely say the answer is above my pay grade... hopefully someone knows, because otherwise history is going to repeat itself.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
I've noticed a lot of boeing flight manuals being posted in the newsgroups lately, latest is the 747-400. Anybody else find this unusual (and unnerving)?
The idea that anyone would want to read a boeing flight manual for fun is extremely unnerving. But after you've been on over 100 internet sites, you realize that most people online have their unnerving ways.
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Bohdi, the answer is to stop the insane paranoia, and get back to living in America like it was.
The 'boogeyman' terrorist isn't going to find a weak link in an aircraft structure from a 747 manual online, then use his chemistry degree to whip up an optimal explosive to compromise the aircraft structure at some sweet spot. Those turds couldn’t bake a cake, they would just load a boombox with explosives, put it in the cargo bay, and hope for the best.
Clue in.
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Personally, I think that having maps of the US creates an unbearable risk to our future.
Think of it, any terrorist can walk down to the store, buy a guide that shows EXACTLY where various infrastructure items like roads, gas stations, federal buildings, etc are! My god, they can even find LIBRARIES on these maps, and a Library is just another word for 'commie liberal instructions for building bombs'-place.
Not only that, but let's step back another level and look at the highway system. There are big 'H' signs on the freeway where I live that POINT YOU TO HOSPITALS! Terrorists could slaughter THOUSANDS just by targetting a building full of people who are already weakened (probably by oppressing others around the world) people, not to mention lines of PURE OXYGEN! Get rid of the 'H' signs and cloak hospitals as business towers and malls so that the terorrists can't target them.
Another thing that disturbs me is the whole '911' concept. Since this number is well known, there's nothing to stop terrorists from launching denial of service attacks against our emergency responders! One house full of liberty hating terrorists could tie up police and fire departments for hours, the result of which could be block after block of burned buildings because normal house fires BLAZED OUT OF CONTROL! Why? Because Johnny Firefighter was trying to deal with a HUNDRED fake fires when one REAL fire was spreading!
Aaaarrgh! I can't take it any more! First they're reading the airplane manuals, then they're plotting with maps, finally they're DESTROYING AMERICA by using our infrastructure against itself!
If you don't object to this obvious terrorist threat of airplane manuals becoming available, then you JUST DON'T GET IT! If you don't report this to the FBI, then you're DRIVING WITH BIN LADEN!
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I can just see you all-american confident tough guys laugh down concerns about people having pocket knives on airliners before 911...
What can you do with only knives... LOL...
:rofl :rofl
Right? That would have been the response? :rolleyes:
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This is rediculous. Say the US bands Boeing Flight Manuals. What's to stop the terrorist from getting them from another country? Or is Boeing not going to export thier product any more? :rolleyes:
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Grunny,
What is your solution? How badly do you want to **** up America and its civil liberties in order to quell your fear of terrorism?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I can just see you all-american confident tough guys laugh down concerns about people having pocket knives on airliners before 911...
What can you do with only knives... LOL...
:rofl :rofl
Right? That would have been the response? :rolleyes:
You miss the point GRUN. 9/11 is over, lessons learned. It was a wake up call, sure. But measures have been taken.
If you brought a pocket knife on a flight and tried to take it over, I'd just beat you up and stick the pocket knife up yer arse. The pilots behind the new security cockpit doors wouldn't know till I was done whipping your ass. Now take 100 people that feel the same way. You get the picture.
So how to protect us from the next innovative attack?
Certainly not from taking my rights away.
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Entertaining though all of this debate is. If any of you think you can learn to fly a 747-400 or any commercial airliner by using a flight manual downloaded from the internet then you are sadly mistaken. It isn't that easy. Nor can you learn by flying Flightsim 2004.
Apart from anything else the likelyhood of any terrrorist attempting to repeat 9/11 is slim and it's chance of success is zero. So hysterical debates or ranting. serves no purpose other than the entertain the rest of us.
As creamo says you should be more worried about the next innovative attack if that ever comes, which I personally doubt.
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Originally posted by mora
What is even more disturbing, is the fact that flight simulator programs are still sold freely. A first step in removing this threat should be a banning of the complex ad-on aircrafts for Microsoft Flight Simulator. Why would anyone but a terrorist need these programs?
We all need to make sacrifices in the war on terror. :)
HAHAHA!
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Creamo
So how to protect us from the next innovative attack?
Certainly not from taking my rights away.
You mean like your right to take a pocket knife onto an airliner?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You mean like your right to take a pocket knife onto an airliner?
What about a gun if I want to protect myself?
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I imagine those were banned after some innovative criminal decided to use the gun to make miscief on the plane...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I imagine those were banned after some innovative criminal decided to use the gun to make miscief on the plane...
But what if I want to protect myself and my family? Don't let a few nutjobs spoil the bunch. God!
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I'm sure this discussion is great fun to you...