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Can a person hunt rabbits or squirrels with a pellet gun? Would like some more information on this. Thanks
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Why not?
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Originally posted by SunTracker
Can a person hunt rabbits or squirrels with a pellet gun? Would like some more information on this. Thanks
depends on your state and local laws.
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back in the late 70s early 80s i got a rabbit with a crosman pellet gun but 1st shot did not kill hin i had to RUN him down and put a fue more in him before it dyed
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Originally posted by yb11
back in the late 70s early 80s i got a rabbit with a crosman pellet gun but 1st shot did not kill hin i had to RUN him down and put a fue more in him before it dyed
Cool.
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Same thing happened to me with this larger type bird (quail or something like that). It kept running into this brush and it'd take me a while to find it again. But after each shot, ya have to pump the thing about 7-8 times so I kept losing it. Musta hit it 5-6 times over the course of 20 minutes.... and then I never did find it after that. Ugh...
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And that is the reason it is illegal to use them for hunting in most states.
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I have one but it is a single pump pellet rifle. Seen a rabbit at the corner of my property and took a shot at it just to see if I could hit it. First shot hit it right behind the ear and killed it. I think I only paid maybe $30 for it but this sucker has a recoil on it, a lot stronger then those that you find at wal-mart. Picked it up at one of them Cummins truck tool sales.
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(http://www.championshooters.com/2002-ALU-big.JPG)
Can't do any better than Anschütz. They will kill that 'wascally 'wabbit from a goodly distance.
Were are some of their products.
http://www.championshooters.com/Anschutz.htm
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I was going to say hunting with a pellet gun is unethical and not humane, ala that's why you don't hunt deer with a 22 caliber rifle or a 410 slug.
But WMlute has a point. Good jebus, I bet that would rock the tree rats day 10 fold!
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.22 cals are also illegal for hunting deer (in Texas), but a .410 slug works well in the piney woods.
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Takes my Grandfather like 5-6 shots at pointblank to kill a squirrel with a BB gun. It is sad to watch.
He doesn't like them cause they are pests.. traps em in a cage and then puts the BB gun right up next to them and shoots them, then pumps it, shoots them.. etc.
I watched once.. either that squirrel was superman, my Grandpa is a friggin horrible shot from 3 inches away, or it takes way to many shots to kill anything with a BB gun.
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Yes you can hunt them with a pellet gun. There are .22 pellet guns manufactured that will do the job with one shot. I used one many years ago hnting with a friend that had a very sensitive ear problem He couldn't hunt with a firearm so he got a .22 pump pellet gun for small game. It worked very well. I haven't seen one for several years now but haven't been looking either.
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Here is the Texas law:
Firearms
Game animals and game birds may be hunted with any legal firearm, EXCEPT:
• white-tailed deer, mule deer, desert bighorn sheep, and pronghorn antelope may NOT be hunted with
rimfire ammunition of any caliber.
• shotguns a re the only legal fi r e a rmthat may be used to hunt Easte rn turkey during the s p ring Easte rn
turkey season (see County Listings). Rifles and handguns may not be used to hunt Eastern turkey.
• pellet guns and other air guns are NOT LEGAL.
• fully automatic firearms are NOT LEGAL.
• firearms equipped with silencers or sound-suppressing devices are NOT LEGAL.
• a shotgun is the only legal firearm for hunting migratory game birds and lesser prairie chicken (see
Definitions - Legal Shotgun, pg. 66).
Nongame Animals (Non-Protected): Any lawful firearm, pellet gun, or other air gun is legal.
Magazine Capacity (number of shells/cartridges allowed): There are no restrictions on the number of
shells or cartridges a legal firearm may hold when hunting game animals or game birds (except migratory
game birds, see Legal Shotgun, pg. 66).
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Originally posted by Lizking
.22 cals are also illegal for hunting deer (in Texas), but a .410 slug works well in the piney woods.
.22's are illegal in Alabama as well. However I had a friend in high school whose family owned several thousand acres of farm land and they had a night hunting/year round permit to kill deer on their farm lands (for their soy bean crop deer were/are considered a nuisance animal). The only guns we had one evening were .22 pump rifles and as we pulled into the drive way leaving that evening there were four large does about 100 yards in the field beside their house. I killed one with a lucky shot by hitting it just behind its ear. He killed another with a couple of neck shots inside of 75 yards. The deer never ran off due to the low report of the guns in the wide open field which was several hundred acres.
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Rimfire .22's to be exact.
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22long is a deer poachers friend.
22mag is a deer poachers dream.
A pellet gun, depending on its velocity is most often adequate for squarels. When I was very young, maybe 12 or 13 I would hunt squarels with a .177 cal pelet gun. It was about 800fps... Nothing too powerful but enough to get the job done from 35 yards max. Most often it would require two shots... But rarely did I have to shoot them anymore than that.
A 22 long is ideal for what you are talking about. If you are worried about the noise then go with a 22CB but keep your distance under 40 yards... Even with the shorts, I would say keep it under 40 or 50 yards... Most deffinatly.
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• pellet guns and other air guns are NOT LEGAL.
Are rabbits and squirrels considered game animals in Texas?
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Thanks for the info guys. At close range, I think a .177 pellet rifle does more damage than a 22 short. I know this isnt a very scientific example, but my local news station showed the comparitive power one day. They set up several coke cans (unopened) and shot them with a .22. The .22 went through the cans, leaving an
'icepick' type wound. Then they shot the cokes with a pellet rifle. The pellet went it, and then exploded out the other side of the can.
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That probably reflects the type of bullet used, not the power.
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sun... another reason to stop watching local news. The 22 short is about twice the energy of a pellet even at 1,000 fps which is about max for spring air guns.
lazs
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Also remember that the difference is that the can should be filled with solid stuff. I.E. Partially freeze the cans.
The pellets have no energy but often tumble.
If you want a half decent pellet gun go to a gun show and scout around. I got a chinese .177 model that does 1100 fps for 50 bucks. Thing still works.
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Check out this hunting air rifle http://www.airgundepot.com/crosman-as2250xt-air-rifle.html
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Ive killed several rabbits and squirrels with my pellet gun. None were on purpose, but with only two pumps of air (it says about 6 is needed to fire) I didnt expect them to die.
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I got a squirrel with a pelllet gun, but I had used my last shot to down him, so he was on the ground kicking and twitching. Had to finish him with the butt of the gun.
Make sure you're using the pointed pellets, not flat headed ones.
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Originally posted by lazs2
sun... another reason to stop watching local news. The 22 short is about twice the energy of a pellet even at 1,000 fps which is about max for spring air guns.
lazs
try a 9mm compressed air rifle. it has plenty energy to go through a squirrel's head. I got one from Cabelas.com. I was pretty impress from what I saw, for an air rifle.
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The Model 54 Magnum Air Rifle has a floating action that shifts rearward, eliminating most recoil. Amazingly fast, it fires a .177-caliber pellet at 1,100 fps (.22-cal. pellet fires 900 fps).
http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/pod/horizontal-pod.jhtml?id=0012697&navAction=push&navCount=4&indexId=cat20742&parentId=cat20742&parentType=index&rid=&cmCat=catfeat
Price: $597.99 :eek:
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Originally posted by Maniac
http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/pod/horizontal-pod.jhtml?id=0012697&navAction=push&navCount=4&indexId=cat20742&parentId=cat20742&parentType=index&rid=&cmCat=catfeat
Price: $597.99 :eek:
I have a model 48. same thing except for monte carlo stock. I hate monte carlo stocks. just can't stand those things.
while I'm at it.
its a .177 by RWS
have a compressed air .22 and 9mm too, made by Shin Sung Ind. Co. :)
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Are you guys complaining of the recoil of an airgun?
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Originally posted by yb11
back in the late 70s early 80s i got a rabbit with a crosman pellet gun but 1st shot did not kill hin i had to RUN him down and put a fue more in him before it dyed
So,, what color did you "die" him?
Aint huked on foniks the gratist?
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In the UK it is legal to hunt rabbits with air-rifle 'pellet guns'. The legal limit is 12lb ft and any thing over that was classed as a fire arm. Most air rifles are either coil sprung or air tank. Some of the better hunting rifles have like a revolver like magazine and bolt action.
It also depends on what grain pellet you use. Some of the heavier pellets could take it over the legal limit.
I used to do a lot of air rifle shooting during the 80s. The Weihrauch HW77.
(http://www.pyramydair.com/images/weihrauch-hw77.jpg)
(http://www.guns.com.pl/photos/hw77c.jpg)
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GSholz, it is a completely different kettle of fish when you are talking about squirrels and 1000 fps 22 cal pellet guns.
Or should I say kettle of squirrels.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Are you guys complaining of the recoil of an airgun?
????? where you get that idea from?
from me not liking monte carlo stocks?
if so no, just don't like the looks or the feel of it.
want to see recoil, try a .50 cal Beowulf use the hollow points rounds. hehehe some reason, it kicks harder than the solid nose bullets. let me think hmmm, yep think I got the .50 Beowulf from Cabelas too.
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How about a .45 pneumatic rifle that looks like Alan Quartermain used it? http://www.glbarnes.com/big_bore.html (http://www.glbarnes.com/big_bore.html)
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Originally posted by -dead-
How about a .45 pneumatic rifle that looks like Alan Quartermain used it? http://www.glbarnes.com/big_bore.html (http://www.glbarnes.com/big_bore.html)
ooo ooo oooo thanks for the link, dead.
IIRC they had a compressed air rifle with them on the Lewis and Clark expedition.
for some reason thinking it a .40 cal. , maybe a .36. I can't remb for sure what it was.
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(http://www.crosman.com/2004/img/catalog/full/CB9.jpg)
Another to consider is the Sheridan Blue Streak. Can shoot at @675fps and these suckers last forever. U can pick one up for @ $125.00 US
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don't shoot your eye out!
(http://www.ducatalog.com/catalog/images/du/6D-618006.jpg)
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Originally posted by Maniac
http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/pod/horizontal-pod.jhtml?id=0012697&navAction=push&navCount=4&indexId=cat20742&parentId=cat20742&parentType=index&rid=&cmCat=catfeat
Price: $597.99 :eek:
^^
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I shot a rabbit the other day at my moms house, I don't have a pellet gun. So, I went and got my dads .22LR and shot it. Standing right off the porch, shot it across the field, 3-4 acres. Died first shot. Least he was dead when I walked over to him.
-Edit- in the past, i've even killed a couple coyotes with the 22LR. But, i've killed more with the 22-250. -Edit-
ps. 22LR is good for killing prarie dogs at short-to medium distance. long range the 22.250 was best. 220 swift was even better.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
Can a person hunt rabbits or squirrels with a pellet gun? Would like some more information on this. Thanks
I'm against hunting for a sport, but this is even worse. Therefore...
I hope you get shot with a pellet gun.
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But not as much fun as taking over the neighborhood treehouse and commandeering it using pellet guns, bottles and dirt clogs.:)
Les
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Another to consider is the Sheridan Blue Streak. Can shoot at @675fps and these suckers last forever. U can pick one up for @ $125.00 US
not when u have me and my smart thinking my dad bought one about 1 1/2 years ago it only lasted bout 2 months well i was my fault we had a scope on it and everything dad had it sighted in so good i could pop a squirrel from about 75 feet alway in the head behind the ear me and my friend would play sniper we'd be crawlin on the ground he'd spot one and id kill it. but one day i got stupid u were only sapost to pump it 8-10 times and i thought if i pump it 30 time it'd be 3 times better it was alittle better and sounded like a .22 when i did that then i got another idea lets make it a MINI SHOTGUN so i pumped it up 30 times and put 5 bbs in it shot at a target and it worked no way to kill a squirrel like that but it was fun around the 6th time i did that i pulled the trigger and POOF air came out but no bbs i just screwed up my dads $125 pellet gun so i did what any 17 year old boy would do i put it back and when my dad asked me why his gun wasnt workin i played stupid :D so he took it to a gun shop and they found what was in it only $20 to take the bbs out so i thought i was ok but when he fierd it, the pellet would go to the right so he took it back and asked what was wrong with it this time the guy said that when i jamed it some how i scrached the barrel and it made it do that so he gave it to me and told me id better start cuting the grass and pay him back. so i did. i still got that thing but the metel rod that pushs the air in the chamber is bent so u cant pump it up.
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Spitfiremkv, let me tell you how nature works. Most animals dont die of old age. They are either ripped to shreds by predators, die of massive infections, or are quickly( sometimes relatively) killed by hunters. Or they starve to death.
So death by a flying steel pellet is relatively painless.
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Hunting, ya bunch of pansies shooting defenceless animals.
You want to hunt then go out with a knife and take on something that can fight back like a hog/boar or freakin lion.
Shooting animals isn't hunting, it's a foregone conclusion who is going to win
wipass
veggie and animal rights activist
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Originally posted by wipass
veggie and animal rights activist
veggies and animals have rights!
rights to live until eaten. :D
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No, shooting animals isn't hunting. Tracking them down, then shooting them is. The actual shooting is just a small part of the whole hunting experience.
****es sake
they never get to win, you may miss , but you get another chance, you don't actually put yourself in danger !
wipass
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If hunting was all about danger, why not get the park rangers to set up booby traps all over the place?
I don't think it's about that.
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Ahhh... killing defenseless woodland creatures! That's the life! It's difficult to express the joy and fulfillment achieved from such a simple act. Although, it has been quite awhile since I have had the opportunity.
I love the smell of squirrel cooking in the morning. It smells like.... food! Yum!
Malta
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One of these posts has a very long sentence in it.
Punctuation is your friend.
Cheers,
Scherf
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stantond:
For those of us living on rural property, farms or the like.
What is the difference between raising poor defenceless pigs or cows for food, as opposed to hunting whatever may reside on the land naturally?
And yes there are recipes for squirrel. :)
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here is a good airgun forum.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537
and if rabbits just aren't big enough...
http://www.adventuresinairguns.com/
Yes you can hunt rabbits with airguns (humanly) and even much bigger game aswell. It all depends on how much $$$ you want to spend.
Airguns (good ones) generally cost far more than thier firearm counterparts. You can buy a good .22lr at walmart for $150. or you can spend $500+ on an airgun that is about as accurate but not as powerful.
Airguns do have theri place though. You can hunt and plink with them in your backyard. Most of us don't have enough land to do that with firearms.
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I do believe that airguns are good for getting the fundamentals of sight picture and such.
lazs
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Originally posted by Ping
For those of us living on rural property, farms or the like.
What is the difference between raising poor defenceless pigs or cows for food, as opposed to hunting whatever may reside on the land naturally?
And yes there are recipes for squirrel.
There are several. I will list them.
1. Cows and pigs are big! I seriously doubt you could kill one with a pellet rifle. Maybe put an eye out, but that might just piss it off!
2. A rampaging cow or pig is not defenseless! In fact, they can be quite dangerous, especially after being shot with a pellet rifle! Wild boar hunting is not to be taken casually.
3. Neither is really what I consider a 'woodland creature'. Disney movies would never animate a wild cow in the woods.
4. Part of the joy is in the hunting experience. No guarantees are made that a defenseless woodland creature will be killed. The cow and pigs fates are sealed.
Not everyone can understand this. Some think it is 'just wrong'. I can't say I understand why it is enjoyable, but it is. I find a similar enjoyment in hunting other pilots online!
Malta
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Pellet guns are fun. I remember many a day tromping around in the woods behind our house when I was a kid lookin for wascaly wabbits and birdies. I only killed one bird with it. It came in handy a few years later when my bros and I had some wild west shoot em up bb gun battles. My adversaries were unfortunate enough to be armed with the spring action bb gun. But yours truly had a .177 caliber daisy job with multi pump action. I don't know why my brother was so mad when i popped him in the neck at 100ft with a 4 pump shot. what was the big deal?:confused: Some people are sore losers.
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what a bunch of manly men... LOL
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I got a pellet gun story to tell :)
When i was like 10 yrs old my cousin told me that theres no way that the pellet would penetrate a leather jacket.
So he made me wear the leather jacket, and made me turn around, and at 10 meters away he shot me in the back.
The twist to the story comes here, he loaded a "dart pellet". So it stuck in my back lol!