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Special Events Forums => Scenario General => Topic started by: SilverFox on December 07, 2004, 12:04:46 PM
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Can anyone give me a general idea of how many people attend an average frame?
I'm not talking about registered attendees, I'm, asking about actual attendance. I suppose the numbers vary depending on the format of the scenario, but hopefully I can get a grip on the range.
Thanks in advance. :)
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I think we were under 100 for Frame 3. I think Frame 1 we were around 150.
Pretty sad, really, given the numbers we used to get in WB.
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I think a average ETO scenario would stay at 200, and a Pacific sligter lower maybe 130-120.
LW - RAF setup always gives strongest attendance.
U can check out the actual numbers for the last scenarios at Gremlins log site (http://www.webtreatz.com/tod/lognew.html) click scenarios and then "display squad stats".
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Thanks for the numbers. Pretty much what I expected to here, since the scenarios I've flown in AH tend to be somewhat less attended.
I think we'll get there someday. :) ... :lol Always the optimist.
I'll have to go with the Pacific numbers and plan accordingly, but actually, I wan't too far off base.
Thanks again.
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Pacific events - especially early war - are poorly attended. If I had done late-war - with nothing but Ki-84's and N1K's - it'd get a lot more people. But it'd also just be a reduced version of the MA with those planes. I wanted to do something very different from the MA.
ETO is usually most popular - either Battle of Britain time frame or 1944 or later. Russian Front is about middle of the road, but these events usually turn out to be great fun. Especially when the Russians are on the offensive and you get that Red Horde down at 5000 feet.
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Yup, been there done that. Made the map for Tilt the first time we did Niemen. Twas a blast, and I totally agree, Dok, with your assessment of the Pacific Early war issues.
Unfortunately, or maybe not ;) , that happens to be my particular area of interest. I've enjoyed Rangoon42, I've read God is my Co-pilot twice, and I enjoyed Midway. My first ever scenario was AW Pearl Harbor...... hmmmm
Now, I'm USN ret. So you might guess where I'm going with this. Planning for a small turnout. The unveiling will be in January :D
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The funny thing is that the Zero's (even the M2) have really done well in Rangoon. Losses of Allied fighters have been pretty steep. In looking at the guncams folks have sent me, a lot of these kills are done at speed - not flap-hanging stall-fights like you'd expect (amazing how putting players into realistic combat situations will affect tactics, huh?).
If I am ever lose grip of my sanity enough to put myself through this again, I will likely do a Russian Front event. I'll wait til we get a P-39 before I make a decision. :lol
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Midway?
Pac?
*perks up*
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
If I am ever lose grip of my sanity enough to put myself through this again, I will likely do a Russian Front event. I'll wait til we get a P-39 before I make a decision. :lol
I hope this happens real soon ;)
Good Job on Rangoon Dok!
Cheers
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Originally posted by ROCrats
Midway?
Pac?
*perks up*
:lol To my knowledge, this particular venue has not been done in the history of AW or AH. At least this approach hasn't. Don't know about WB.
Officially, though, it doesn't exist. First I have to finish it then I have to get it accepted. :cool:
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I belive Midway was done by Jordi right after AH Niemen and the attendance was a record for events to that time.
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I'm looking forward to a Midway style event, complete with storm clouds and moveable carrier groups.
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Carriers yes. (hint)
Storm Clouds? We'll there was an anomally in the weather that factored into the historical battle. A cold front passed through with cloud cover. (hint)
Now, if I can only get Tilt or someone on the senario CM team to contact me, I can submit the draft to them and see what they think :)
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Y'all might try to get an anouncement on the MA MOTD when registration opens for an event - and include a simple URL to the event description if possible. I suspect there are a lot of folks who would come and enjoy them that just don't visit the web site regularly.
More targets'd is a good thing. ;)
- SkyGnome
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First number is players in first frame. Second number is players in last frame of event.
298 / 303 = +02% Battle of Britain (Aug. 2002)
338 / 256 = -24% Midway (Nov. 2002)
302 / 248 = -18% Niemen (Feb. 2003)
237 / 187 = -21% Guadacanal (Apr. 2003)
187 / 143 = -24% Iceberg (Aug. 2003)
113 / 085 = -25% Kadesh (Nov. 2003)
258 / 188 = -27% Ruhr (Feb. 2004)
137 / 094 = -31% Kurland (May 2004)
225 / 198 = -12% Battle of Britain (Aug. 2004)
130 / 107 = -18% Rangoon 42 (Nov./Dec. 2004)
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Interesting stats GD, but they may not tell the whole story. Some of us have quit registering for events because we can count on there always being empty slots to fill as walk-ons.
I’ll admit it isn’t as much fun as being in a well run group, but measured against some of the last events, it’s worth the trade off.
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Very interesting stats
My thinking about loosing numbers in the
scenario
1. We need the correct planes flown there
2. We need the correct skins from the
squads flown there and everybody try to
use the correct skins.
I know that is hard work, i am impressed
of the skinners do their excellent job.
But finally that gives the scenario a more
historic touch and that can be a point to
notice to advertising.
How about that ?
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Easycor those numbers are not registration numbers. Those numbers are from the logs that actually record start flights, deaths, objectes destroyed, landings, etc.
So they are the hard core numbers of people who actually flew in the SEA for that event. I have them for each frame .. most events were 4 frames. Although we had 1 with just 3 frames.
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Ah, very good then. Niemen shows there is interest in the Eastern front after all.
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But check out Kurland... one of the lowest numbers to start with and the worst retention of any scenario.
I'm not sure an Eastern Front scenario would garner enough participation in the future.
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Niemen was my favorite but there were many many issues against the Kurland setup that went ignored.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
If I am ever lose grip of my sanity enough to put myself through this again, I will likely do a Russian Front event.
WOW ! i'd come back for a Kursk V ... ;-)
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Originally posted by Delirium
But check out Kurland... one of the lowest numbers to start with and the worst retention of any scenario.
I'm not sure an Eastern Front scenario would garner enough participation in the future.
Kurland had some issues beyond the location.
Without going into any possible design problems, the fact that the total outcome was determined by the end of Frame 3 (And the writting was on the wall at the end of frame 2), combined with Frame 4 falling Memorial Day conspired to kill numbers towards the end.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Goner
WOW ! i'd come back for a Kursk V ... ;-)
(http://www.gonzoville.com/scenarios/datas/users/1-donjetsfront_logo_sm.gif) (http://www.gonzoville.com/scenarios/page.php?id=56)
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if there are Sturmi's in it, I will be there ... ;-)
or anything else that flies low & slow.
my SA sucks and my ACM are non-existent , so in scenarios (only flew then in AirWarrior, after signing up for my 1st AH event my connection went south and i quit ) i almost always flew bombers ... most memorable are the Sturmibubbas (Kursk) and the Kates o'Doom (something Pacific).
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Originally posted by Goner
the Kates o'Doom (something Pacific).
Sounds like my first ever scenario in AW - Guadalcanal? (Was a gunner for Greas's 'Kate o'Doom' :))
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I actually have 3 designs I'm toying with for next year (obviously I'll only get to do one, though).
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That "Eagle Squadron" title looks pretty cool DoK. They all do, but that one sticks out.
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Flossy my first event was AW BoB. The next was flying under culero in his spec ops group in a26s in Longbow. I was hooked.
Id love a Pac CV scenario, but it being a carrier war, the advantage of searching for and locating the enemy first would have to come into play.
Imagine a map with CV fleets, no islands. Just open water. The search planes launch first and when they locate the enemy the strikes are launched. Also something to do with arming time would have to be included so you could catch them with spotted decks.
All those things or something similar are needed for a good cv battle...getting people to stay interested while it unfolded would be another matter.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Flossy my first event was AW BoB. The next was flying under culero in his spec ops group in a26s in Longbow. I was hooked.
Longbow was definitely one of my favourites. I hadn't been playing long and didn't feel confident enough to fly, but had a blast as Spiff's gunner! I know many referred to it as TooLongBow, but I loved it and was sad when it finally ended. :)
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Flossy my first event was AW BoB. The next was flying under culero in his spec ops group in a26s in Longbow. I was hooked.
Yes FiLtH, the Invaders were the bane of the LW's existence in Longbone...bunch-o-base eating cheese monkeys ;-)
Dammit where's the AAA!! Bring down the 109's!
Fade to black....
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Hiya Artst how ya been? Ya play much? Hows the artwork?
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:lol Hey FiLtH can you see the Coral Sea Forums? We been kinda expecting you :D
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Id love a Pac CV scenario, but it being a carrier war, the advantage of searching for and locating the enemy first would have to come into play.
Imagine a map with CV fleets, no islands. Just open water.
Now FiLtH old buddy..... Your a great guy and a loyal community member, but I had to laugh LMLurkingAO reading that.
Everyone? Attend please.... It's Frame 5 of Operation Cartwheel I or II ( I don't recall which ). Due to a fortunate and unexpected circumstance during the running of the frame, the bomber group under FiLtH's command was presented with an unchallenged opportunity to alter it's secondary mission and strike at the heart of the Japanese base of Rabaul. Rabaul, which had been the primary target of the entire scenario.... Rabaul, which was clearly marked on all players maps.... Rabaul, the subject of endless command level discussions which FiLtH was involved in including a face to face meeting with the scenario CO and XO which included detailed maps..... Rabaul, the subject of more Wings and History channel documentarys than Russia has snowflakes. Timing was critical and FiLtH held defeat or victory in the frame in his hands! ARTST and I both explained the new situation via VOX and ordered him to shift from his assigned target to Rabaul. FiLtH acknowleded our orders and headed in the general direction we gave him based on his position. I even remember it, 315 degrees from his current position. About 15 minutes later, ARTST asked if he was approaching Rabaul. FiLtH replied "Yes". Another few minutes go by and I asked why he had turned North and was approaching Kaveing having bypassed Rabaul completely! FiLtH's response? (L-o-n-g silence) "Where's Rabaul?"
So, the idea of you and your navigational skills being part of a detailed Search operation over water with no landmarks just got me howling...... :rofl ARTST and I have NEVER forgotton that!
And yes, somewhere I have the film.........
Buff1
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Hiya Artst how ya been? Ya play much? Hows the artwork?
I'm living down in VA now...out in the Shenandoah. Haven't played in a few years now (no time) but that'll soon change.
Still painting away... :-]
How 'bout yourself Greg?
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I was in WW2OL for 3 yrs and came back here this summer. Started my plumbing business and its going very well. Here from Buff1 much? I havent seen hide nor hair of him. Hope to see u ingame sometime. Fly Rooks!:)
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Buff1
I'm up against Filth in the Coral Sea event.
I am offering Huge Bribes for said Film :) :)
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LOL I didnt see Buff1 had replied before ARTST above! LOL OOPS..and after reading what he posted I look even more the moron! DAMN!
Hmmm...somehow my brain has disconnected that memory Buff1 :P
IIRC...we did attack Rabaul...and I died shortly after dropping my eggs...but we did do alot of damage:)
Im much better with direction now. Most days.
BTW where are ya nowadays?
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Christ on a crutch! ARTST and Buff1!
They let anybody in here, don't they! :)
culero (heyas guys, long time! ;))
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Artst got any samples?
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Hi ARTST and Buff1! :) Great to see you both again! :D
(Flos in AW)
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Originally posted by ARTST
Yes FiLtH, the Invaders were the bane of the LW's existence in Longbone...bunch-o-base eating cheese monkeys ;-)
Dammit where's the AAA!! Bring down the 109's!
Fade to black....
"We Fly Way Kewl Missions"!
Yuppers, that was a great scenario and loads
of low level fun as Kelly and I took our groups
of A-26's in and around the LW countryside :)
=GB=
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Greetings and Salutations, Culero and Flossy!
Great to see the 'old guard' can still control their bladders long enough to sit and type a short post on a message board!
Starting in March of '03, I took about a 20 month hiatus from AH. I had been going full bore 30-50 hours a week in AW and AH since '94 in general play, Command of the BUFFALOS and scenario commands. To be honest, I was simply burnt out. The fun was gone and the new players that came into AH after the dreaded 'Wings Channel Commercial' didn't do anything to improve my attitude. One day in early March '03 some newbie dweeb called me a "stupid ass" because, though I gave him two '6 calls', I didn't clear his tail soon enough to prevent his demise. I just didn't need that crap, so AH went dark and remained so until recently. Also, an original BB was murdered in August '03 and that really stunned the entire squad and nobody really felt like playing games for a long time afterwards. A number of BB's have been getting itchy to hang together again in a flight sim atmosphere and AH is still the best place to do it. So.........
I never let my account lapse and have checked in here on the boards from time to time to lurk and keep up with assorted news.
In answer to FiLtH's question, I still live in Intervale about 10 miles from you.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: We should do a pizza at Brennan's for old times sake soon!:D
Rick 'Buff1' West
CO BREWSTER BUFFALOS
Celebrating our 10th Year in AW/AH
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Originally posted by Buff1
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Also, an original BB was murdered and that really stunned the squad and nobody really felt like playing games for a long time.
Wow, that's awful. Sorry to hear it, bro.
Originally posted by Buff1
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A number of BB's have been getting itchy to hang together again in a flight sim atmosphere and AH is still the best place to do it. So.........
Kewl.
Be sure to contact Yoj and tell him there's an IDIOT shortage here so he'll know how badly we need him ;)
culero
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YOJ has fully justified the "YOJ is an idiot" threads in real life. After being a life long batchelor, he got married last year at age 57.
I post with him daily and he is all set for an AH return as many old line BB's are. I'll let him know of your wishes for him to get on the boards..... ;)
What's become of LUGS, KID and ZIPPY? I hope they still darken the virtual skies. Wouldn't be the same without 'em.....:(
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Originally posted by Buff1
.... I post with him daily and he is all set for an AH return as many old line BB's are......
In other words....
The herd is gathering. :aok
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Damn! It's pretty sad when an underling uses the Squad logo on his posts and the Squad CO dosen't. Jim, your daily cheesypoof ration is reduced by 5 bags and there'll no bacon for desert for YOU tonight, old man! Maybe THAT will teach you to one-up your CO you naughty, naughty BUFFALO.......
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Niemen was unusual in that players had both air and ground roles in each frame and unit movment between frames was limited. very well done.
in midway the US won in the second frame and it was then restarted, that may account for the drop in numbers, both were in AH1
i would like to do neimen or another eastern front again.
44MAG
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Originally posted by Buff1
Damn! It's pretty sad when an underling uses the Squad logo on his posts and the Squad CO dosen't. Jim, your daily cheesypoof ration is reduced by 5 bags and there'll no bacon for desert for YOU tonight, old man! Maybe THAT will teach you to one-up your CO you naughty, naughty BUFFALO.......
That's OK, tonight's pizza night. And pizza always has plenty of bacon. :D
And so far as the cheesypoofs, WHAT will I throw at the enemy now? :(
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Originally posted by Buff1
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What's become of LUGS, KID and ZIPPY? I hope they still darken the virtual skies. Wouldn't be the same without 'em.....:(
Lugsy is in the arena frequently, ewe'll prolly see him in Coral Sea. I believe I've seen Zippy once or twice, not sure.
culero
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Lugs, Kid and Zippy are all alive and well flying with the Damned. Like me, Kid and Zippy aren't frequent flyers, but every once in a while you catch a glimpse ;). Kelly mentioned Zip, and I saw Kid a couple weeks ago.
Cya Up!
Dawg
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I used to love flyin with those guys!