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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SunTracker on December 09, 2004, 03:18:05 AM
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I'll start
When fighting multiple enemies, keep airspeed above 300mph.
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Keep alt at about 15k plus!
Oh you already do, sorry!!!
Only joking!
Smiggs.
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Park it in the hanger and jump in an F4U-1
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Flaps good. No flaps bad.
Shoot bad guy close good. Shoot bad guy far bad.
Speed good. No speed bad.
Turn fight noob in F6 good. Turn fight Urchin in 109 bad.
P51 good, F4U bad.
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Originally posted by Finrod
P51 good, F4U bad.
you sure about that?
anyhows, should of posted this in the help and training forum, for better use
a tip to practice : learn to hide your stored "E" and using the No G load climb "zoom climb" , reversing direction 180 degrees in a dogfight maintaining 150 to 200 IAS and doing it so fast the guy thinks your cheating! ( a thought of Fencer of old comes to mind )
High "G" Roll over the top when being attacked from high 6 Oclock position ( depending on plane type bouncing you)
as mentioned above, ability to use different flap settings when under 225 IAS ( indicated air speed - ie...the white needle )
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Relax, I was poking SirLoin, we've had this discusion before.
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Originally posted by Finrod
Relax,
hehe, I'll try, am on 3rd cup of coffee already, hands starting to trimble :)
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Pull stick back, trees get smaller. Push stick forward trees get bigger.
Never, under any circumstance should you attack a B24 with a P51.
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don't wiggle too much when somebody is on your 6 at d400 :D
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Ouch!!
:D
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Avoid my 190 with your 51at all costs, unless you have numbers superiority or yout fix'n to cherry pick me
Most of you will live alot longer
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Wear pink lingery when u fly it.
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Wear pink lingery when u fly it.
and black leather undies when flying the 190
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Only take 3/4 tank of fuel and burn fuel from internal fuselage tank first. If more fuel is needed take external drop tanks. Internal fuselage fuel makes the plane unstable when maneuvering.
Have fun!
Malta
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Originally posted by stantond
Only take 3/4 tank of fuel and burn fuel from internal fuselage tank first.
you mean AUX tank, right?
I most times take 75% 2 DTs, burn AUX tank first then switch to DTs, or sometimes 50% and 2 DTs
also use manual trim and trim it out level flight at around 300 to 325 IAS then leave it trimmed at that setting and fight with it at speeds from 400/375 all way down to 50 IAS depending on which type of fighting I am doing...all guns I set a 350 convergence
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Take 1/4 tanks and DT's and go hunt Lala's.
Take the P51B.
Converge guns at max.
Good luck.
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will the 51b hold a turn with the la7? I know the d will hold even.
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Oh yeah, the B pony will turn with a lala. I typically take 50% fuel and DTs, drop one on the runway and the other when I get to the fight.Plane doesn't destabilize at all. I set convergence at 275. Flaps are the biggest thing with the pony IMO. Too much flap will getted you kilt! Pony looses speed fast with flap usage.Learn to use the flaps without loosing your mind and allot of turning planes can get a rude surprise.
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guess what I'm asking is will the b turn faster on the stall than the d... I can just about hold even or slight gain on a la7 with a 50 % loaded d on the stall.
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Fight the ponies in the vertical and unload "g" when you're on the down side. Use flaps only at the top when you're reversing and when you need a little nose up to square the corner for a shot. Don't get caught in a slow-speed, level turn fight in them.
Cheers,
asw
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Avoid my 190 with your 51at all costs, unless you have numbers superiority or yout fix'n to cherry pick me
Most of you will live alot longer
Heh, A good Pony pilot will eat yours or any other 190 for Brunch.:p, all else being equal. Although, the toughest 190 I ever faught was HSPD in a 190-A4. But that was in AW. The A4 in there, at least, flew like a Pony.
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IMHO the Pony D is the best non-perk ride. However, with the eny limitations placed on you by HiTech with a numbers inbalance, you can't always fly it.
A good pony pilot can eat 190's for lunch. A great 190 Pilot will normally take out a good Pony pilot.
My tip on flying the PonyD? (From when I used to fly it)
In a fight stay fast; above 350mph, 400 is about perfect.
be aggressive, shoot only when close, convergence at about 250, learn to use flaps, and turn off Combat Trim when fighting.
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
... and turn off Combat Trim when fighting.
Combat Trim? What's that? seriously though, a couple yrs ago someone told me to turn ct off. At first I thought it was nuts, but once I got used to manual trim, I never looked back. I forget it's even an option now. Just every once in a while I'll fly straight n lvl, hit the autopilot button on/off real quick to get things neutral again, and then continue on wit bizness. But never do I even think of the combat trim feature.
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I have no idea how to fly the P-51D
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the pony rules, keep your stick movements smooth and use our flaps WHENEVER TURNING!!!!! and dont run (gies for you LA7 users also) :aok
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OK, will a b outturn a d low and slow.....?
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a tip to practice : learn to hide your stored "E" and using the No G load climb "zoom climb" , reversing direction 180 degrees in a dogfight maintaining 150 to 200 IAS and doing it so fast the guy thinks your cheating!
Maybe this is why I have peaked as far my skills are concerned. I dont know what the hell you just said TC.
I most times take 75% 2 DTs, burn AUX tank first then switch to DTs, or sometimes 50% and 2 DTs
Why not burn wing tanks first? I was under the immpression this would help the roll rate. And where are you going that you need 75% and DTs in a pony? Maybe you live longer than I do:D
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dadrabit, the pony B is a great turner and will turn with la7s and la5s.
i doubt you will remember but we had a fight in the MA along time ago, i think i was named spofer then, you dived on my B stang with an La5 and after a long fight i mannaged to shot you down, i remember this fight well because i was low on fuel and was on the way back to landing. :)
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Originally posted by Slash27
a tip to practice : learn to hide your stored "E" and using the No G load climb "zoom climb" , reversing direction 180 degrees in a dogfight maintaining 150 to 200 IAS and doing it so fast the guy thinks your cheating!
Maybe this is why I have peaked as far my skills are concerned. I dont know what the hell you just said TC.
I most times take 75% 2 DTs, burn AUX tank first then switch to DTs, or sometimes 50% and 2 DTs
Why not burn wing tanks first? I was under the immpression this would help the roll rate. And where are you going that you need 75% and DTs in a pony? Maybe you live longer than I do:D
ok, hiding your E state is a way to try and make the enemy think you are slower ( in speed ) than you actually are, you can use lag pursuit to do this ( point nose behind/below the 6 of the enemy ) mantaining distance or slightly giving up a small increment to make him think he is faster than you so he will reverse back to you or try to climb out on you, except you are fooling him and crawl up his backside and fill him full of 6 50's, if you are coming at an enemy and are fast, angle your path slightly away from him, make him come to you, keep your speed up, he will think you are slower than him by the closer rate, not a 90 degree angle off, think 10 deg, 15 deg max... then when he gets with in say the 2k 1.5k range you can show your E ( speed ) climb out on him, rope him, whatever you think the situation calls for.... WldThing and Shane both are very good at this..Urchin (rawr ) also... now the P51D ( B as well ) can turn on the dime if you fly it right, with out ever dropping the speed below 150/200 but it takes practice
I normally am fighting any plane I am flying in the game with 75% fuel to 50% fuel, I am not in the DA, so I never fly with 25% or 50% and no drop tanks,
but if I do get low on fuel, my plane performs that much better for me, but usually if I am in a Hog around the 3/8 mark on the main tank it is time to RTB... around 25% to 20% in the P51 for me.......
alot of players fly with 50% and 25% and in my on opinion prob couldn't do 1/2 of the manuevers they pull if they was 75% to 100% fuel....I prob get called on that assumption though!
You hear alot saying keep it fast, never drop below 250 or 300 etc......well, no matter what I am flying there will be times a fight will get very very slow near a snails crawl! so it is important to know how your steed will react thru out the entire envelope 500 IAS all way down to 0 IAS...the reason I trim my plane out in level flight is so I can gain the most out of it, If I am going vertical I do not want to have the nose up and over because trim is all way up on the elevator, if I am trimmed out as I described I can almost peg the speedo needle at 25 IAS to 0 if'in I have too..most times I prob get down around 70 to 80 though in a knife fight
might I add, I have seen some of the weirdest spins/wobbles/stalls from people using CT when slow and it has their elevator trimmed to the max UP, with the way I have ine trimmed, I actually feel like I can regain E faster when I nose down because I am not fighting the CT ( does this make sense to anyone? )
I am just your average flyer here, but I encourage all to practice and push your plane to the breaking point / edge of the flight envelope from high speed to no speed! hope I explained my thoughts to you good enough :-)
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Its simple really, come into any fight at least 15k make one pass dive for the deck and run like hell.
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Good explaination. Thanks.
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No problem :D
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awesome explanation Cavalier :aok
zoom climb / NO G load climb - when you have made your pass or dive, angle plane up quickly about 45 to 65 degree angle nose above horizon and slightly push stick forward to rest the G meter on Zero, you will shoot back up to alt like a rocket! figuratively speaking.........you will re attain your alt quickly best to do when say 275 IAS or faster as you peak back out and start to slow your nose will start to level off
some articles to read:
Winning the Co-E Chase by Badboy (http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_015a.html)
High G Roll over the Top Pic (http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_023dd.html)
High G Roll Underneath Pic (http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_023cc.html)
It's All a Matter Of Perspective Part 4 by Andy Bush (http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_023a.html)
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
some articles to read:
Winning the Co-E Chase by Badboy (http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_015a.html)
i do this quite a bit... i read this long ago, and i guess it just stuck with me... also a piece of real life advice (from earl miller) was to keep the bad guy in the upper portion of your canopy while in tail/lower alt pursuit.
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OK, will a b outturn a d low and slow.....?OK, will a b outturn a d low and slow.....?
Talked to a ww2 vet today at an air museum. He said IRL the b and c ponies out performed the d model in "flight" on paper due to stall characteristics. Apparently the removal of half the rear fuselage "vertically" left the d model with some erratic handling. However the the xtra guns and visibility were well worth the trade. Also some b and c pilots requested the spit type canopy so they could see better to the rear.
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Originally posted by Flyboy
and black leather undies when flying the 190
I do.
And I also keep a 12 plait 6ft snake whip made from bonafide Kangaroo hide behind the back seat for those close up enguagements.
A real attention getter :D
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Originally posted by slimm50
Heh, A good Pony pilot will eat yours or any other 190 for Brunch.:
I suggest you place your emphasis on "GOOD pony pilot"
Most pony pilots here, arent. unless they are working in pairs
Hence my statement
but yes a "good" pony pilot should be able to take my 190
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Avoid my 190 with your 51at all costs, unless you have numbers superiority or yout fix'n to cherry pick me
Most of you will live alot longer
190? At least pick a G-10, then you can outclimb me if it lasts that long..
I've fought many LW pilots in my 51, both in MA and DA.. G-10 was the only plane i always had problem with, smart pilots will outclimb me on the merge, and then BnZ me till death, granted it gets boring, but they are flying the plane the correct way.
Back On Topic:
P-51 is a great ANGLE fighter, why resort to constant turning when you can take a shortcut to take that snapshot.
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Originally posted by WldThing
190? At least pick a G-10, then you can outclimb me if it lasts that long..
I've fought many LW pilots in my 51, both in MA and DA.. G-10 was the only plane i always had problem with, smart pilots will outclimb me on the merge, and then BnZ me till death, granted it gets boring, but they are flying the plane the correct way.
Back On Topic:
P-51 is a great ANGLE fighter, why resort to constant turning when you can take a shortcut to take that snapshot.
Cept for this Campaign where I seem to be having problems against everything lately I rarely have problems against the pony.
Actuallly the only planes I have problems with on any kind of consistant basis is the spit and the La7.
Which reminds me. the La7 seem somehow different to anyone else lately? as in even more souped up?
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you stall, you fall.
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seems more toned down, actually... can't run down d9's, ponys or tiffs (or 109g10) otd as quick as used to be.
wonder if the gfx bug of always seeing shadow of gear is somehow related to this?
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Heh, A good Pony pilot will eat yours or any other 190 for Brunch., all else being equal.
In tour 58:
Fw 190A-5 has 320 Kills of P-51D
P-51D has 197 Kills of Fw 190A-5
Fw 190A-8 has 378 Kills of P-51D
P-51D has 307 Kills of Fw 190A-8
Fw 190D-9 has 756 Kills of P-51D
P-51D has 539 Kills of Fw 190D-9
Fw 190F-8 has 30 Kills of P-51D
P-51D has 44 Kills of Fw 190F-8
Fw 190A-5 has 26 Kills of P-51B
P-51B has 10 Kills of Fw 190A-5
Fw 190A-5 has 26 Kills of P-51B
P-51B has 10 Kills of Fw 190A-5
Fw 190D-9 has 56 Kills of P-51B
P-51B has 39 Kills of Fw 190D-9
Fw 190F-8 has 1 Kills of P-51B
P-51B has 1 Kills of Fw 190F-8
It would seem therefore that as a MA ride, the 190s do quite well.
I fly a 190A8, it is a very good MA plane, fast, lots of fuel, lots of ammo, and with the 4-20mm & 2-50 cal package, it really packs a punch for either fighters or bombers.
1 on 1 a good pony pilot will win, but the MA isn't a 1 on 1 arena.
All in all though, I do believe the Pony D is the best non-perk ride in the MA. Flown right, you should be unbeatable. :aok
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Green get big, pull up.
Blue go Black, push down.
What else is there?
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
In tour 58:
Fw 190F-8 has 1 Kills of P-51B
P-51B has 1 Kills of Fw 190F-8
It would seem therefore that as a MA ride, the 190s do quite well.
I fly a 190A8, it is a very good MA plane, fast, lots of fuel, lots of ammo, and with the 4-20mm & 2-50 cal package, it really packs a punch for either fighters or bombers.
1 on 1 a good pony pilot will win, but the MA isn't a 1 on 1 arena.
All in all though, I do believe the Pony D is the best non-perk ride in the MA. Flown right, you should be unbeatable. :aok
Tour 58 I killed Pony Ds at over a 4-1 ratio
a little over 3-1 in tour 57
Tour 56 was bad for me less then 2-1
Actually I had to go back ten tours to tour 48 before I finally found one where Pony D's killed me more often then I killed them and my main ride then was a NIKI
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
IMHO the Pony D is the best non-perk ride.
Yep, maybe you are right, P51D has the best peformance from 0 to 20+k, but i can't kill acs now with .50cals, and to bring down a formation of ''flying tigers ''B24s i need cannons, can't stay too long in his 6 and straffe the wing tips with .50cal
La7 under 12k is faster, better firepower with 3x20mm, better acceleration. 90% of the fights in MA are under 10k
But since B24s came out,i discovered the 109G10, best bomber killer, acceleration,firepower,WEP, climb rate,and now are more B24s than fighters in MA , without gondolas turns better great fighter, nothig can catch the G10 on spiral climb, sux in dive,lol
This is all i noticed about G10 since B24s came out, and i start flying it,
I'm sure JBs, Dutchie,Urcin,yaws and many others good 109s fighters, know more about G10, and wouldn't trade it for P51D
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ghi,
I find that if I am at 7 k in a 51D, the LA7 isn't quicker, 7 k is the cut off point I believe
wipass
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Never enjoyed the D model anywhere near as much as the B, much better ride imho. Plus it would eat LA7's two at a time quite easily.
Riding the B Pony the only other plane I was concerned about and consider the main threat would be a Yak. Any of the so called top 5 were easy meat perk or none perk rides.
...-Gixer
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Another fuel tip,
use the throttle and prop pitch to save fuel. When cruising, hunting low dots, or vulching, throttle back to normal power. The settings are 46" Hg, 2700 rpm and the fuel rate is almost cut in half from military power. The E6B information is useful here.
Regards,
Malta
p.s. yep, internal fuselage fuel is 'Aux"... that's what I meant.
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Originally posted by wipass
ghi,
I find that if I am at 7 k in a 51D, the LA7 isn't quicker, 7 k is the cut off point I believe
wipass
Yes, and in last 2-3 tours something was changed in LA7 performances without notice,
La7 is the plane i know better, i was always a LA7dweeb, but now if i climb 7-8k and dive 1-2k to accelerate doesn't run over 380-390mph with wep on
i can't catch D9s, P51s, 109s
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Tour 58 I killed Pony Ds at over a 4-1 ratio
a little over 3-1 in tour 57
In tour 58 I was 9 and 0
In tour 57 I was 12 and 0
Ponys are not hard to kill, they are just a great plane :)
It is not the plane that counts so much in the MA than how you fly it :)
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The best thing a Pony pilot can do is park it right in front of my 20mm cannons. Your cooperation is much appreciated.
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
... with the way I have ine trimmed, I actually feel like I can regain E faster when I nose down because I am not fighting the CT ( does this make sense to anyone? ) ...
Yes, it makes sense to me. With ct on, and the fact that the faster you go the more lift the wings generate, ct doesn't counteract it fast enough, thus you're always pushing on the stick. But if you manually trim to a level flight or even over trim it so you have to apply a little back pressure till speed is built up, I find that to be preferrable. Also, a little aileron trim. I'm constantly workin the trim keys.
Bud Anderson, in his autobio, said in combat he was constantly busy workin the trim wheels. It be came automatic, so he was doin it without even realizing it most times.
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
ok, hiding your E state is a way to try and make the enemy think you are slower ......I am just your average flyer here, but I encourage all to practice and push your plane to the breaking point / edge of the flight envelope from high speed to no speed! hope I explained my thoughts to you good enough :-)
TC, thanks for the tips. Gives me something else to work on.:aok I'm planning on activating my account th latter part of the month. When I do I'd like to spend most of my time in the DA, honing my skills. From all I read in here, that and the CT are the places to be anyway, for max enjoyment. I look forward to lessons from all of you:aok
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Originally posted by Midnight
I have no idea how to fly the P-51D
You ain't never lied! :D
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P 51 rockets are great for vulching =)
Hey MT, hows that airfeild of yours coming?
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
a tip to practice : learn to hide your stored "E" and using the No G load climb "zoom climb" , reversing direction 180 degrees in a dogfight maintaining 150 to 200 IAS and doing it so fast the guy thinks your cheating! ( a thought of Fencer of old comes to mind )
What I would give to be that good again.. Ignore the Rook 51B/D that is smoking, twisting and looking lost, that's just a Mustang pilot trying to relearn.
Cheers
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Dredlock I'll take ya up on that 190 vs. D Mustang fight. Should be fun like they always are.
Erebus
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51 B or D is a great escape plane. Fly it that way, always leave yourself a way out and you'll enjoy the 51. (rule #1)
Be patient! Its greatest strength is its speed. A Spit can out corner you but most Spit pilots will just try to turnfight. The 51 can turn at very high speeds frustrating the Spit pilot to no end.
About the only thing that can accelerate faster in a dive is a Thuderbolt, if the P-47 has enough altitude. 38 pilots are cocky and think they can fight uphill. While the 38 can hang on its props, the 51 retains more maneuverability at slow speeds.
Fw 190 burns massive amounts of Energy in turns, get him to make a tight turn or two before getting serious about attacking him.
Somebody told the 109 pilots that they can kill a 51 by "tearing up the sky". Let them, they run out of E with all that wild turning. Then jump them as they try to get away.
Strictly Boom and Zoom the Japanese planes. Though they turn great, they are under powered. And like the 109, they trend toward compessability around 400 knots IAS.
The Typhoon/Tempest are at thier strongest in a downward fight. Get on top of them and stay there. The second you get lower than them you are toast. They, thankfully, don't climb well.
The same goes for the Blue Planes. F4u and F6f were made to fight the Japanese planes. At Moderate to high speeds, they will match the 51 move for move.
51 vs 51, the pilot who knows the 51 best will always win. My hat is off to the few that do fly it well.
For me, I feel the 51 gets very sluggish at 15k feet through to over 19k. I like bottom feeding with it. But keep rule #1 in mind.
The way you escape is to look for the enemy to nearly Head On you and begin your extend out at that point. Don't look back and definitely don't turn back. Get the WAY the heck outa Dodge before contemplating any turn back.
Afterall, any good pilot can defeat any other good pilot's mistakes.
I ought to know! I make quite a few!
BTW, When I don't, I'm probably the 51 you're cussing as I gallop away!:aok
Enjoy.
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Fly it as a fast B&Z with the abbility to outturn most things part from spits and nikis and the like.
Use of combat flaps and 50-65% or so in fuel will make it one hell of a turner.
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Run and cherry pick.
Never seen one do anything else.
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Originally posted by Scrap
Run and cherry pick.
Never seen one do anything else.
Haven't met many P51's have you? Nor have you flown them much I suppose ;)
It is a superb stallfighting machine when flown right and capable of much more then run and cherry pick.
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
you mean AUX tank, right?
I most times take 75% 2 DTs, burn AUX tank first then switch to DTs, or sometimes 50% and 2 DTs
also use manual trim and trim it out level flight at around 300 to 325 IAS then leave it trimmed at that setting and fight with it at speeds from 400/375 all way down to 50 IAS depending on which type of fighting I am doing...all guns I set a 350 convergence
I actually read that this is exactly what pony jocks did! Took DT's, but burned fuselage tanks first. I also remember Chuck Yeager talking about a time when he forgot to drain fuselage first and almost snaprolled on landing....
Being old, this consumed many memory cells.... already forgotten! hehe
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
OK, will a b outturn a d low and slow.....?
Yes! IMO. I mostly fly ponies and have fallen in love with the way a B-pony handles in all respects. I have gone 1 v 1 against D-ponies and lala's low and slow and unless it is an exceptional vpilot, I win. Just hope he has no buddies near by once you are low n slow though.. cuz then yer dead.
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Originally posted by Bulz
Yes! IMO. I mostly fly ponies and have fallen in love with the way a B-pony handles in all respects. I have gone 1 v 1 against D-ponies and lala's low and slow and unless it is an exceptional vpilot, I win. Just hope he has no buddies near by once you are low n slow though.. cuz then yer dead.
Yup Bulzeye. I gained new respect for the P51B that afternoon you and Vati cornered my Tempest at about 18k. I may have been able to give one of you the slip or won a protracted turnfight, doubtfull though, two of you left me with no options from 18k right down to deck. The P51B out-turns anything it can't outrun, that's a nice place to be in.
Zazen
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unless u fitin a p51d..then the b pony loses.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
unless u fitin a p51d..then the b pony loses.
I disagree with this completely. Low n slow, I would rather have a B-pony because of its better stability. I have won more than lost vs a d-pony when flying the b.
And Zazen, I remember that fight well! We pushed you down and Vati finally got the kill and I got an assist. Not bragging but when we wing together in ponies, we are a pretty formitable pair! And we have been winging for over 2 years now, so we know what the other is going to do without saying a word!
I remember a GREAT fight we got in with Midnight, Skatsr and 2 other ponies against Vati, Biggunns, and I. they came into our base with ALT and tried to keep us pressed to the deck. SkatSr was all over my b-pony and I was able to stay out of his guns and he eventually augered I believe. Vati and I then teamed up against Midnight and got his D-pony low n slow and he didn't make it. I can't remember who the other 2 were, but that was a great fight! i wish I had filmed it.
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D pony should win evry time with it's superior climb/speed
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Originally posted by SirLoin
D pony should win evry time with it's superior climb/speed
Well, if yer low n slow AND in a turn fight, these "benefits" are actually N/A. The D's speed is only about 10 mph faster on the deck, and drops off drastically above 8k where the B has the advantage of top speed. D doesn't get it back again until the high teenk's. also, the over climb rate of the B through various altitudes is better on average than the D, again until higher alts. If the D has alt and E, then I too would give the advantage. However getting an overconfident D-pilot to follow you down below 10K (where b is superior) is rather easy.
As a sidebar, has anyone noticed the b-pony's guns seem to take alot more hits to get a kill this last week?
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I wouldn't read to much into charts...the seat of the pants reality is the D pony can climb out,extend and win every time...am i the only one who agrees with this?..Much like the 190D vs P51D.
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Well,
My main rides have been the ponies for just about 3 years now, and the differences are not that great IMO. But, it all comes down to the person flying I guess. If handled right, I would prefer the B-pony in a 1 v 1 fight vs a D-pony between 8 and 15k.
To each his own!
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Originally posted by Bulz
And Zazen, I remember that fight well! We pushed you down and Vati finally got the kill and I got an assist. Not bragging but when we wing together in ponies, we are a pretty formitable pair! And we have been winging for over 2 years now, so we know what the other is going to do without saying a word!
Without a doubt, I don't get out-thought or out-manuevered often, but you two did just that. I remember every second of that as if it just happened a minute ago. I made several mistakes and learned from them gaining new respect for the P51B in the process. You two left me with no viable egress or opportunity to gain a gunnery solution. I credit that to your winging tactics and the qualities of the P51B. That's a credit to the P51B that it can out-class a perk plane in that unique situation from 18k to the deck.
Zazen