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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SunKing on December 09, 2004, 03:20:07 AM
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Not cool.
Link (http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/09/nightclub.shooting/index.html)
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Wow.:(
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Damageplan rocked too...
So much for security at the door...
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I was watching this on Ch 10 news.
I watched many a band there in the 80's.It's on Sinclair Ave if I remember right.
A girl I know's brother was there-he called her to tell her what was going on immediately after.He said everyone was being detained there while the police were sorting things out.
If I see her in the next day or two,I'll bump this back up and let you know what details her brother has.
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Axl Rose predicted this. Remember that incedent when he had to take matters into his own hands because security sucked so bad at the show.
"Take that away from him.. take that away from him.. security.. **** it, I'll do it myself" And he lept into the crowd and proceded to do just that.
He should've started an entertainment security firm.
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Dimebag,I hope you pull through man...This is a nitemare scenario..Holy cow!~
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Dimebag,I hope you pull through man...This is a nitemare scenario..Holy cow!~
he's gone. shot 5 times pointblank.
"By Demons Be Driven" Dimebag. (http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/gitarre77.gif)
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total bummer ..
at least a cop shot that @#$% that did it.
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I'll bet it was a bling bling..errr...white guy who shot him.
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Reports indicate the shooter had reloaded or was in the process of reloading when he was killed by police. Thank God.
I haven't been to the Alrosa in about 5 years. Very scary.
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RIP dimebag
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RIP Dimebag
I hope that ****er didn't blamed Dime for Pantera breaking up. If so, he should have shot Phil.
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a guy in the band that opened up for Damage Plan last night was on Dallas radio this morning, and said he was standing on the side of the stage when it happened, and said the guy was screaming something about Pantera before he started shooting.... so yeah, I think this nutcase thought it was Vinny and Dime's fault that they broke up....... squealing idiot.
This is a sad sad day for the Dallas music scene. My thoughts go out to his brother and bandmate, Vinny.
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Is this Bush's fault?
RIP Dimebag, never got into Pantera myself, but from the licks I heard, he was an awesome guitarist.
Karaya
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Originally posted by NATEDOG
a guy in the band that opened up for Damage Plan last night was on Dallas radio this morning, and said he was standing on the side of the stage when it happened, and said the guy was screaming something about Pantera before he started shooting.... so yeah, I think this nutcase thought it was Vinny and Dime's fault that they broke up....... squealing idiot.
yeah, i am hearing conflicting stories about all of this, but the common demoniator is the "breaking up of pantera" thing, which is truly sad someone would be that disturbed about a band.
side question, i heard vinny was shot, then heard he wasn't anyone know the deal?
Ps. going to play cemetary gates right now i think
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Sucks :( He was a nice guy.
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Im am not here to disrespect this man. It is a shame that things like this happen. I feel sorry for him and his family.
I just want to show this community the double standard that is present. If this were a hip hop concert the comments on this post would have been all negative. The bling bling gangsta comments would have been pouring out. Ask yourself, why is that? Just goes to show violence is not restricted by race or culture.
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I think there is a difference..Dimebag was a talented musician...
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Originally posted by jamusta
Im am not here to disrespect this man. It is a shame that things like this happen. I feel sorry for him and his family.
I just want to show this community the double standard that is present. If this were a hip hop concert the comments on this post would have been all negative. The bling bling gangsta comments would have been pouring out. Ask yourself, why is that? Just goes to show violence is not restricted by race or culture.
Take your "double standard" and stick it. Someone I was friends with back in the day just died. Thank you very much.
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Originally posted by jamusta
Im am not here to disrespect this man. It is a shame that things like this happen. I feel sorry for him and his family.
I just want to show this community the double standard that is present. If this were a hip hop concert the comments on this post would have been all negative. The bling bling gangsta comments would have been pouring out. Ask yourself, why is that? Just goes to show violence is not restricted by race or culture.
Not True. If I recall correctly, this board was upset about the shooting death of Jam Master Jay.
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Originally posted by jamusta
Im am not here to disrespect this man. It is a shame that things like this happen. I feel sorry for him and his family.
I just want to show this community the double standard that is present. If this were a hip hop concert the comments on this post would have been all negative. The bling bling gangsta comments would have been pouring out. Ask yourself, why is that? Just goes to show violence is not restricted by race or culture.
Good Point, but you know the answer
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Jigsaw there is no need to get hostile. If you want to take it there we can but it was not my intention.
Sirloin's comment is exactly what I mean. In your opininon hip-hop is not talent. Thats not even the point. Lives have been lost it has nothing to do with the music or lifestyle. Yet if violence happens at a hip-hop concert it is immediately tied into the music or the lifestyle. This unfortunate incident proves that violence can happen anywhere anytime to anyone.
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so a guy gets shot performing on stage and this thread is now about how racist people here on this bsb are for treatment of tragic hip hop stories?
just another example of why I really need to find a better way to waste my time.
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What stumps me is at any punk rock/ Hard core /Heavy metal cancert like that ive ever been to they pat your bellybutton down and wont let people take in those carabiners (climbing thing people but keys on) or evenchain wallets...................so how did thids fugg up get a gun in there???????
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it wasnt a huge concert .. it was a niteclub/bar room type performance ... (how many times have you been patted down going into a bar ??)
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Originally posted by jamusta
Im am not here to disrespect this man. It is a shame that things like this happen. I feel sorry for him and his family.
I just want to show this community the double standard that is present. If this were a hip hop concert the comments on this post would have been all negative. The bling bling gangsta comments would have been pouring out. Ask yourself, why is that? Just goes to show violence is not restricted by race or culture.
Why do you even need to bring that up? You do realize that even by drawing up this scenerio for a hip hop artist to expire in a similar fashion, you're admitting that a divide does indeed exist or you're even creating it yourself? Even if it isn't what you intended... in pointing a so-called 'double standard', you draw everyone into an argument and they unknowingly admit that there is a fine line between hiphop and rock, black and white. This simply isn't true and this is why racism exists.
If a musician dies a musician dies. Dont you dare try to separate the two.
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Roscorro for that kinda show every time! but then again that was in DETROIT/PONTIAC Michigan! we do things different inthe NORTH (LOL im a new southern yankee basterd)
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Oct, I am not trying to start an argument at all. I just want to show the community that incidents like this happens to all. Hopefully members of this community will understand that, and stop blaming incidents in sports, music, religion on any one culture.
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Originally posted by boxboy28
Roscorro for that kinda show every time! but then again that was in DETROIT/PONTIAC Michigan! we do things different inthe NORTH (LOL im a new southern yankee basterd)
that will become the standard after this I bet .... but ive been to hundreds of bar performances and never have been patted down ... plenty of big name performances too . (Seattle / west coast area )
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Originally posted by jamusta
Jigsaw there is no need to get hostile. If you want to take it there we can but it was not my intention.
You got your troll in and I fell for it. Lets leave it at that.
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Darrell was one of the nice guys in the DFW scene. He'd help judge local contests. Come out to show support for other bands. Generally being the opposite of most people in the local scene, which was pretty cutthroat.
Pantera could have gotten signed long before they did, but they held out for a deal that let their father produce the album in his studio. I think that says a lot about loyalty.
The last band I was with in DFW had hired a drummer who had just graduated from PIT. He was a huge Pantera fan. We'd come off stage and were hanging at the bar doing the PR game. The drummer walks up, we introduce him to Darrell and Rex. He turned white as a sheet.
Not much of a eulogy, but having lost a lot of friends over the years this is something I needed to do for closure.
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Originally posted by boxboy28
What stumps me is at any punk rock/ Hard core /Heavy metal cancert like that ive ever been to they pat your bellybutton down and wont let people take in those carabiners (climbing thing people but keys on) or evenchain wallets...................so how did thids fugg up get a gun in there???????
"Witnesses said the man, who was wearing a Columbus Blue Jackets hockey jersey over a hooded sweat shirt, jumped an 8-foot wooden fence and was being followed through the crowd by club security."
Apparently he climbed a fence at the rear of the building and entered from the band entrance to get on stage.
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I've seen Vinnie and Dime at quite a few Stars games...... Very cool guys! always took time to talk with the fans.
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Originally posted by jamusta
Oct, I am not trying to start an argument at all. I just want to show the community that incidents like this happens to all. Hopefully members of this community will understand that, and stop blaming incidents in sports, music, religion on any one culture.
You made a good point, hard for some to swallow. I would leave it at that and drop it, it will only be a flame fest from here.
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A link to some of the 911 calls.
911 (http://content.clearchannel.com/newsaudio/music/damageplan_shooting/damageplan-911.wma)
RIP: Dimebag
RHIN0
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Originally posted by jigsaw
Take your "double standard" and stick it. Someone I was friends with back in the day just died. Thank you very much.
I dont see anything hostile in Jamustas post.
Rip Dimebag whoever you were.
Oct, I am not trying to start an argument at all. I just want to show the community that incidents like this happens to all. Hopefully members of this community will understand that, and stop blaming incidents in sports, music, religion on any one culture.
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RIP Dime. You deserved better.
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I heard that two memebers of the band were dead. I'm guessing it wasn't Vinnie Paul or they would have mentioned the Dime's brother was dead also.
My guess is Pat.
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So... a guy goes nuts with a gun in America, kills five people and then himself. What else is new? :rolleyes:
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I bet a few bands won't be to excited about having people close to the stage anymore after this incident.
Along with the NRA hoping that everyone understands that it wasn't the guns fault.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
Along with the NRA hoping that everyone understands that it wasn't the guns fault.
:rofl
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Originally posted by Gixer
Along with the NRA hoping that everyone understands that it wasn't the guns fault.
...-Gixer
How could it be the gun's fault?
Drunk drivers kill many more than guns. Is it the alcohol's fault?
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Originally posted by NUKE
How could it be the gun's fault?
Drunk drivers kill many more than guns. Is it the alcohol's fault?
I don't know how could it be the guns fault? But it's a comment you often here from the NRA "It wasn't the guns fault".
Which makes little or no sense at all.
Ah, the old argument alcohol v guns. Funny how one comment can turn any thread into the defensive about guns and gun laws. This is a particully weak one.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by NUKE
Drunk drivers kill many more than guns. Is it the alcohol's fault?
I blame the gasoline in the car. :lol
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I blame the Chinese and gunpowder.
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Originally posted by beet1e
I blame the gasoline in the car. :lol
I guess my point would be that the human is the deciding factor in both gun and alcohol related homicides.
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Originally posted by jamusta
Oct, I am not trying to start an argument at all. I just want to show the community that incidents like this happens to all. Hopefully members of this community will understand that, and stop blaming incidents in sports, music, religion on any one culture.
Rap isn't "culture" anymore than metal is. Most of the rappers that get capped are generally setting themselves up for it with a hateful and self-destructive lifestyle, though. And yes ... it shows in their "music." Now say it isn't so. ;)
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Originally posted by jamusta
Im am not here to disrespect this man. It is a shame that things like this happen. I feel sorry for him and his family.
I just want to show this community the double standard that is present. If this were a hip hop concert the comments on this post would have been all negative. The bling bling gangsta comments would have been pouring out. Ask yourself, why is that? Just goes to show violence is not restricted by race or culture.
Reverse Discrimination is funny. Discrimination was NEVER mentioned until you posted jamusta. Now you're trying to throw it back in our face? Get a fuggin life.
Karaya
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For NATEDOG editing and removing all my posts in this thread. sorry for any problems NATE.
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Yup, it's all Rap's fault this nut killed a guy in cold blood, who did nothing more than make an honest living doing what he loves.
Don't blame the music, blame the tard who took music too seriously.
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Arm the musicians, that will keep the crowds in check!
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For NATEDOG editing and removing all my posts in this thread. sorry for any problems NATE.
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Originally posted by JB73
you know what? they glorify it in their "music" and even brag about it (example snoop "murder was the sentence they gave me)
show me ONE metal song that encourages you to pop a cap in tha police, or say murder is juat a part of tha thug life.
there is a HUGE difference in what those (to use your words) bling bling ganstas do in their every day life, or in the past, and the average metal dude.
and like i said, the bling bling's like to sing the praises of their homie who died in a shootout with tha police.
take your reverse racisim and shove it up your panzy ass.
You have to be kidding me. One song? i will give it to ya tonite for sure. Dont got time now.
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racism asside.... nobody deserves to be shot for performing and... rap or metal... that generally isn't the case... women, drugs or something else is the reason.. criminal ties... you want to hang with the sociopaths? why are you shocked when they act.... sociopathic?
dimebag? maybe some of his bags were a little short of a dime?
lazs
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I don't 'S!' any veteran or even an AH member in a death thread because I don't think it adds much, so I'm no spokesman for hoping the O'club retards try to not get too overboard beating themselves up on this one making it a gun control vs. rap vs. a racist thing. I expect that.
I'll just add, this was a very unexpected pitiful and sad event that took place. Never met the guy, but through his home videos, and music, that was one incredible musician, and a standup man. It didn't make me cry, it won't stop me from going to work and going about my day, but for once in a very long time, I feel actual remorse and saddness. That's one cool dude that deserved better than a fat **** ending his life. I try not to think about his brother who has to deal with this, who has the same qualities as Dime in every sense.
Anyway, he will be missed. Life goes on.
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creamo... don't know anything about the guy or the circumstance but... the name "dimebag" suggests living on the edge. Living on the edge you tend to be around edgey people. That may not be the case here.
lazs
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Well duh, and of course it's not. This wasn't a old biker selling crank outside a bar.
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For NATEDOG editing and removing all my posts in this thread. sorry for any problems NATE.
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Hey, this is a thread honoring the memory of a great musician, a local legend, and a great man, who met an untimely and tragic end. Thinking back on his music that I have been listening to for the past 15 years, I realize that this man wrote the soundtrack to my life. His death has affected me and my friends greatly..... he will truely be missed....
Now can you do me a favor, and go talk about racism, gun control and all that other crap in some other thread..... Thank you.
R.I.P Darrell
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rgr nate sorry, got upset about the possible acusations about him and his lifestyle.... which i know are false. saw him 2 times, and a buddy of mine got to meet him briefly.
total stand up great guy.
God Speed Darrel
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Originally posted by NATEDOG
Hey, this is a thread honoring the memory of a great musician, a local legend, and a great man, who met an untimely and tragic end. Thinking back on his music that I have been listening to for the past 15 years, I realize that this man wrote the soundtrack to my life. His death has affected me and my friends greatly..... he will truely be missed....
Now can you do me a favor, and go talk about racism, gun control and all that other crap in some other thread..... Thank you.
R.I.P Darrell
Jamusta made a good point, what's the problem? When something like this happens in hip hop, it is posted as something that happened because of a "culture", but where 90% of the members here like the music this band played, it's a tragic loss of life. His point is that this happens in any "culture" and should all be treated as a tragic loss of life.
Whenever a death in music is posted here it gets sidetracked to different topics, I do not see why this thread should be any different.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
I do not see why this thread should be any different.
because I'm asking you to make this thread different. Let's start a new trend. Like I stated before, I honored Jam Master Jay when he got shot last year, now I'm honoring Dime. Two muscians that I grew up listening to. I was lucky enough to meet Dime.
I'm not saying anyone didn't make a good point, I just ask that you start a new thread, and make that point there. I'd appreciate it.
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Now Im showing reverse racism and I'm also a pansy ***. Boy I tell ya. Show me anywhere in what I posted am I being racist. Show me anywhere.
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Originally posted by jamusta
Now Im showing reverse racism and I'm also a pansy ***. Boy I tell ya. Show me anywhere in what I posted am I being racist. Show me anywhere.
I agree, Jamustas post was on the level, no racism, i guess only racists could have found something racist in his post.
I will honor Nates request and stay out of this thread now.
and RIP!
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Originally posted by jamusta
Now Im showing reverse racism and I'm also a pansy ***. Boy I tell ya. Show me anywhere in what I posted am I being racist. Show me anywhere.
No, but you brought up a totally unappropriate point to this thread. This thread is about honoring the memory of a great musician. You essentially hi-jacked it and stirred the pot.
Quit while you're ahead
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I refer you to Rule #2 in the forum rules.
"2- Threads should remain on topic, do not "hijack" topics."
I think a lot of people need to read those rules again.
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Originally posted by NATEDOG
because I'm asking you to make this thread different. Let's start a new trend. Like I stated before, I honored Jam Master Jay when he got shot last year, now I'm honoring Dime. Two muscians that I grew up listening to. I was lucky enough to meet Dime.
I'm not saying anyone didn't make a good point, I just ask that you start a new thread, and make that point there. I'd appreciate it.
That's fine, it's too bad you don't jump in more often.
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
I refer you to Rule #2 in the forum rules.
"2- Threads should remain on topic, do not "hijack" topics."
I think a lot of people need to read those rules again.
Then make it for all the posts, not just the ones you see it applies to, and no need to threaten.
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We don't read every single thread. If I read a thread with inapproprate material in it, I take care of it, as does everyone else here at HTC.
If you read a thread to which we have missed that you find is violating the rules, all you have to do is either call or send an email to HTC.
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Thats' fine, I can accept that. This was not started as a thread to honor anyone, it was brought up, imo, to talk about it. As it goes in another direction, as most threads do(and some start out as a flame, see " New Republican Seal", but I guess you missed that), and some don't like it that includes HTC employees, I am told to start a different thread about it instead of that person starting another thread intended to honor the musician.
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This will be my last post about this. Superfly, I dont see why you feel the need to threaten me. My initial post did not have anything negative to say about the musician, the culture or the music. It was about violence in music and how this could happen to anyone and just wanted to point that out. No personal attacks on anyone. I said the comunity as a whole. Then as usual the community attacks and yet you threaten me. Dont blame me if they cant have a mature conversation.
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I stand corrected, you are right, this was not started as a thread to honor him.... it was my fault that I assumed that it was.
BTW, I didn't tell you to start another thread, I asked you to, as a favor to me.
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Originally posted by NATEDOG
I stand corrected, you are right, this was not started as a thread to honor him.... it was my fault that I assumed that it was.
BTW, I didn't tell you to start another thread, I asked you to, as a favor to me.
I understand, music plays a large part in my life too. It's hard to believe that someone who has brought so much to so many through his music is lost this way. My thoughts go out to the family, we lose family members in many ways, cancer, accidents, etc., but to lose them in such a senseless way must be devastating.
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Thanks Six.
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Originally posted by Octavius
Why do you even need to bring that up? You do realize that even by drawing up this scenerio for a hip hop artist to expire in a similar fashion, you're admitting that a divide does indeed exist or you're even creating it yourself? Even if it isn't what you intended... in pointing a so-called 'double standard', you draw everyone into an argument and they unknowingly admit that there is a fine line between hiphop and rock, black and white. This simply isn't true and this is why racism exists.
If a musician dies a musician dies. Dont you dare try to separate the two.
Right on OCT!
And lets not forget the others that lost there lives as well.
Dimebad is one of the local talents to come out of the Dallas area
he will be so missed.
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http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=135622&highlight=odb
:rolleyes: