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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: babek- on December 09, 2004, 05:21:58 AM
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Iran has started some military maneuvers in West Iran.
Most of the video clip shows army units - like Seacobras, transport helicopters and tanks but there are also pictures of iranian F-14 with the new blue-grey camo-pattern and MiG-29.
If you watch it, its highly recommended to turn off the sound - so you dont have to hear the voice of the poor guy who has to shout against the background noise. :D
http://www.iribnews.ir/video/01/09/12/s408.wmv
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Originally posted by babek-
If you watch it, its highly recommended to turn off the sound - so you dont have to hear the voice of the poor guy who has to shout against the background noise. :D
This guy is truly a wonder weapon :D
Never heard a guy screaming so long without loosing his voice :p
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LOL...poor mic :rofl
Almost killed my creative junk speakers too :D
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"Amreeka may be the great satan but he sure has nice toys..."
Ayatollah something or other..
:)
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"You have to make do with what you have"
or something similar by SecDef something or other....
:)
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Iran has always adopted foreign weapons and uniforms.
During the time of Napoleon the iranian army switched from blue to red uniforms and otherwise from year to year - as an effect of succesful french and british diplomats.
Between 1900 and 1918 the regular imperial iranian army had british-style uniform, the police had swedish (yes - swedish :) ) uniforms and the cavalry was equipped with uniforms of the russian cossacks.
And before Iran was invaded by the allies and forced to declare war against the German Reich its army had german Wehrmacht uniform style - including the german officer caps and german steel-helmets.
After WW2 the german uniforms were replaced by US uniform.
Even after the Shah has been deposed decades ago its not surprising that Iran still have its exotic mix of uniforms and weapons.
US-Uniforms of the style of the 80ties, russian, british and US-tanks, US-and russian planes and german and russian stormrifles.
At least we never had the german pickle-helmet or italian helmets with these feather-ornament :)
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didn't know they were flying cobras and hueyes...
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Seacobras, Bell 206 and Bell 205´s are produced in small numbers in Isfahan.
That was one of the "positive" sideeffects of the weapon embargo. Iran was forced to build its own replace parts and after the war against Iraq they started to learn how to produce weapon systems in Iran.
Today the iranians are producing in Iran german G3 rifles, german Mercedes trucks, Northrop F-5F jets and the sea cobra/huey.
They also produced a new tank - the Zolstudmuffinhar - which was shown in recent troop parades in Teheran.
One of the actual project is a totally new fighter in cooperation with the russians - the Shastudmuffinh. Pictures of the prototype have been shown in iranian propaganda shows.
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The fighter..
(http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/shastudmuffinh_iran_001.jpg)
And, the tank...
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/images/zolstudmuffinhar3-pic1.jpg)
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Isn't Zolstudmuffinhar the name of a sword ?
I remeber a poëm with this name in it
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Zolstudmuffinhar is the name of the sword of Ali - one of the most important historical persons for the shiites.
It was also part of the imperial lion-crest of the iranian flag before the islamic revolution.
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I guess my Iranian friends would be ashamed if I confess having forgotting that
I still hate when they start poetry at the end of a dinner ... I suck at poetry and my memory if extremly bad :p
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Heh that fighter is like F/A-18 with F/A-22's tail feathers...
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Originally posted by Staga
Heh that fighter is like F/A-18 with F/A-22's tail feathers...
Yup, that's the first thing I saw too. Also note that it's only a single engine fighter!
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It's really just a MiG design being built by Iran.
MiG I-2000
(http://www.aviation.ru/MiG/MiG-I-2000.jpg)
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Here some pictures of the prototype shown in iranian TV.
If I remember correctly, the interviewed woman is a high ranking member of the developer team.
(http://www.iribnews.ir/newspic/04/08/10/06rsh2.jpg)
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I always thought those tomcats where suffering lack of parts and bad maintenance.
I didn't knew either they developed their own fighter wich doesn't look bad also.
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
I always thought those tomcats where suffering lack of parts and bad maintenance.
I didn't knew either they developed their own fighter wich doesn't look bad also.
Propaganda. I read somewhere that they have at least dozen flying.
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I thought I read that the grumman mechanics had removed certain components of the 14 to make it unusuable for fighting.
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Originally posted by Raider179
I thought I read that the grumman mechanics had removed certain components of the 14 to make it unusuable for fighting.
They got several kills with them in the Iran-Iraq war. I believe their Tomcats had somewhat limited avionics, but that was clear for them when they bought them. The US also supplied spareparts for them in exchange for the hostages in Tehran.
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The so called experts of President Carter said that within few months Iran wouldnt be able to keep their F14 operational, because the lack of crucial space parts.
Lets see... 20 years = 240 months... hmmm... strange definition of "few" ;)
In the 8 year war against Iraq the iranian F14 was the most succesful iranian air-to-air fighter, killing more than 100 iraqi planes.
More details here:
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_210.shtml
BTW - Do you know who helped Khomeinis Iran to keep its F4-Phantom-fleet operational in the first years of the Iran Iraq War ?
Israel.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend ... :)
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I never did understand why Iran's rulers are so anti Israel, if anything they both share a common enemy in the sunni arabs which might even be a bigger thing than the jew muslim difference... Plus is extremely unlikely that Israel will take Iranian land... :)
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I think there is an official propaganda opinion and the real feeling of the people.
The iranians - especially the generation of young iranians who are 50% of the population - are not fanatic islamics who dream to become martyrs and to kill heretics.
There is a possibility to make them to fanatics. If anyone attacks Iran he creates iranian fanatics.
Saddam had to learn the effects, when he tried to invade Iran and steal the iranian province in SW-Iran.
With this action he created a solidarity and a fanatism in the iranians of the 80ties which made it very easy for Khomeini to manipulate the people. It made the iranian wave attacks possible, where hundredthousands of iranian paramilitary troops died in storm attacks against iraqi lines - pushing Saddams arabs out of iranian territory.
Just one example: During the revolution many iranian fighter pilots were put to prison. When Saddam and his arab hordes attacked, these pilots, trained in the USA, made the suggestion to leave their prison cells in order to fly against the arabs and promised to return and go back to their cells.
The situation was desperate - and so they were allowed to fly. And they didnt flee or defected - which would have been easy with their planes. Instead they fought against the arabs and returned like they promised. Shorty after that they were officially released.
This shows that many things which happened in these days (and still today) are absolutely illogical and hardly to understand.
Israel is another example. Officially it is the big bad enemy of Iran. But Iran has to make sure that Israel will exist instead of destroying it. The existence of Israel keeps the arabs busy - so they cant go against Iran.
Another example of the "logic" of politic was the Armenian-Azerbeidjan-War.
Iran - you know... the ISLAMIC Iran - was not supporting the islamic Azerbeidjan in the war, but the christian Azerbeidjan. Because of political reasons.
When the islamic Talibans were winning their civil war in Afghanistan, supported by Pakistan, it was Iran which defined the Talibans as heretics and supported the afghan factions who were fighting them. 2 million afghans fled to Iran during the civil war and after the USA has deposed the Taliban many of these refugees returned to the west afghan provice of Herat. So today Iran has some influence in this province.
Politic - especially in this region is very complicated.
So its no wonder that it seems surprising and hardly to understand, when official iranian statements and actions are seen.
But on the other hand, there are people in the west, who believe that iranians are members of the semitic arab race or who dont know about the hate between shiite and sunnite islam.
But nevertheless the majority of the iranians dont hate Israel or the USA.
The mullah-rulers use the anti-USA and anti-Israel proclamations in the hope to manipulate the people. But for the iranians there is no reason to believe them. And the actual mullahs dont have the charisma Khomeini had. Also they dont have the experience of the terror of the Shah their parents had.
Also the strongest arab enemy of Iran, Saddams Iraq, has been destroyed and is no longer a danger for Iran.
No - actually the mullahs are shouting their stupid Death to USA / Israel but the funny thing is: They cant stop the process which had begun after the death of Khomeini in Iran and will finally depose them.
And unlike Iraq, which had to be destroyed and where foreigners try to teach the people how democracy has to work, the democracy-process in Iran will be done by iranians in Iran.
Its a long way we have to go and there will be many setbacks, but I am sure that finally the dream of Prime Minister Mossadegh becomes reality.
And then everything is possible - even an official alliance with Israel :)
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Originally posted by babek-
Seacobras, Bell 206 and Bell 205´s are produced in small numbers in Isfahan.
My father-in-law worked for Bell helicopter setting up that production facility in Isfahan back in the late '70s. My wife went to elementary school over there and learned a little Farsi that she has long since forgotten.
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Originally posted by babek-
lots of great stuff
I think that was a very well thought out and articulate post. Thanks for giving us that.
-Sik