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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: KurtVW on December 09, 2004, 07:53:19 AM
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For anyone who doubts the validity of this method of killling I offer this quote from 'Duel of Eagles' by Peter Townsend.
'On June 30 a directive was issued, signed 'Goering, Commander-in-Chief.'
'As long as the enemy air force is not defeated, the prime requirement is to attack [it]... by day and by night, in the air and on the ground, without consideration of other tasks'.
So, there it is, straight from the head honcho of the Luftwaffe.. On the air or on the ground until they are utterly destroyed.
No more cry baby garbage about 'wahh, I got vulched...'
We're under orders dang it!
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Anytime your in a position where you might get shot at, and can be shot at, your fair game so far as Im concerned.
If you dont want to be vuched. Dont take off from a base under attack.
If you do, well thats your choice. I dont complain about vulchers when I get vulched and couldnt care less about those who complain about being vulched
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"So, there it is, straight from the head honcho of the Luftwaffe"
He only said that because they hadn't invented the bulletin board yet and therefore no whining.
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As a tactic vulching IS good.
But a game is more then just tactics. A game is, belive it or not, about having fun. Fun should never be had on the expence of another persons lack of fun.
Both players in an engagement have to have fun or eventually both will stop to have fun.
While its very effective tactics to vulch it is only and only fun for the one doing it, its never fun for the guy dieing to it.
One of the biggest reasons people eventually stop defending a base is because when the huge vulch sets down it aint fun anymore.
This leads up to the gigantic hoard hovering over a empty field with non to fight. Which aint fun either. Meaning your booored hanging there and the pilots who where defending have left because it wasnt fun.
So often does one see pilots leaving a hugly outnumbered base out of booredom and failed to even take it.
I mean what´s the point?
Id much rather see a base that is defended until the last dieing moments then one that is left undefended because it was vulched for 15min.
I as an attacker have more fun and the defender has more fun.
In war there is no fun factor. In war vulching is a great tactic.
Games are built on fun factor. In games any camping tactics are bad tactics.
Tex
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
If you dont want to be vuched. Dont take off from a base under attack.
If you do, well thats your choice. I dont complain about vulchers when I get vulched and couldnt care less about those who complain about being vulched
Yup. I love going to a base that is capped, but not really tighty, and saying to the chickens sitting in the tower:
"OK, here is the plan, we all up IL2's and HO everything in sight."
When they all reject that plan because "it will never work", I do it and kill several vulchers. Watching me do this seems to get them motivated and they start upping too. :)
I do get angry when I get vulched, but I really only get angry at myself for getting myself in that situation, not at the guy that did it.
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Valid points Tex, but there is attrition to bear in mind. The vulchee has an unlimited no of planes(or targets hehe) whereas the attackers only have 1.
You've got about 7 mins before the smart guys come in from an adjacent field and busts the CAP. For field captures, base supression (vulching) is a must.
Some guys have fun through organised assault .... pilots in planes with a known job to do. The thrill is getting the team to work, and it pays off in spades when it does.
Now, if you're on about 20 guys circling a field with the vh up and town untouched, I couldn't agree more - still it's a bit easier than killing the drones offline.
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I have no problem with vulching. What I do have a problem with is lemming timid score potatos who ONLY vulch, that you only find in those 10 plane packs at relatively undefended fields. This is one thing that will get me going on ch200.
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Me vulching = :aok
Someone vulching me = :(
Is everyone clear on that?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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You call it vulching:mad: I call It capping:aok
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i just shoot at the enemy, doesnt matter if he is on the ground, in the air, at sea, whatever. the enemy must die.
on the other hand, it does make you feel good when coming to a quiet base and seeing one single upper if you let him take off. honour and all that jingo. what is even better feeling is when you shoot him down, and he is mad so he ups again. and again
and again. he tries so hard to kill you but cannot as you have every advantage.
if you vulched him first time he might try another field. its always good to let some guy get a taste for the slightest chance of victory, and revenge. get more score padding kills and better pleasure than simple vulching.
on the other hand, theres nothing more enjoyable than seeing a formation of buffs taking off from a capped field. especially when you get all 3 in one pass :D
and if you should happen to stumble accross a big mission.....now thats any players headonism..
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Vulching is one of the very few remaining art forms we have left.
ack-ack
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No one shoots chutes anymore :(
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What I do have a problem with is lemming timid score potatos who ONLY vulch,
And light out for home in thier N1K to go land 4 kills the second a defender gets up.
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Originally posted by KurtVW
'On June 30 a directive was issued, signed 'Goering, Commander-in-Chief.'
'As long as the enemy air force is not defeated, the prime requirement is to attack [it]... by day and by night, in the air and on the ground, without consideration of other tasks'.
For that matter, Hap Arnold instructions, 27 December 1943, to the 8th and 15th Air Forces was, "Destroy the Enemy Air Force wherever you find them, in the air, on the ground and in the factories." Similar instructions were issued to the Pacific forces by their respective leaders, for both the US and UK.
So there you have it, the non-LW forces have similar instructions, notwithstanding Tex's very good point on playability issues.
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Originally posted by Stang
No one shoots chutes anymore :(
That is not technically true.
While in fact I haven't actually shot and hit many chutes lately, I have been shooting at them.
That new silk is some amazing kevlar/concrete type stuff; found that out the hard way over and over.
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That new silk is some amazing kevlar/concrete type stuff; found that out the hard way over and over.
I havent shot a chute in over a year Ill bet. Shot at one last night and then flew into it and blew up. So sad.
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Caping != Vulching
Vulching == Caping
??? What does that mean.
You dont have to Vulch to cap a field but Vulching is a form of caping.
The reason one needs to cap is to enable non-fighter planes to do their job in preping the field and for the goons to come in. This does not have to be done by vulching.
Imho vulching isnt necessary the most effective way to do it. This deppends on how the vulch is done though. But the down side of vulching compared to other caping methods is that your caught on the deck when support from adjecent fields comes in.
If you instead let em launch, stay a bit higher and pick em of before they gain any energy you conserve more of your own energy. Doing this you accomplish the exact same thing as a vulch.
Tex
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I love vulching.
Tex, if there were only one base from which to fly, then vulching is unfair.
Killing someone too stupid or too stubborn to fly in from a nearby base is really just wonderful.
I subscribe to philosophy of Vulture of the Kraits Squadron, all my kills are vulches or as close as I can make them. There is no "fair" in fighting.
HONK!
Gooss
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to sum things up vulching is alllowed but you have to stick left pinkie in right nostril for 3 seconds atleast before making any attempt to shoot :cool:
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Originally posted by TexMurphy
Caping != Vulching
Vulching == Caping
??? What does that mean.
You dont have to Vulch to cap a field but Vulching is a form of caping.
The reason one needs to cap is to enable non-fighter planes to do their job in preping the field and for the goons to come in. This does not have to be done by vulching.
Imho vulching isnt necessary the most effective way to do it. This deppends on how the vulch is done though. But the down side of vulching compared to other caping methods is that your caught on the deck when support from adjecent fields comes in.
If you instead let em launch, stay a bit higher and pick em of before they gain any energy you conserve more of your own energy. Doing this you accomplish the exact same thing as a vulch.
Tex
your ethics are sound, yet in reality who can honestly say that when there is a few friendlies under 2k at a base vulching, that they would rather let 2 la7s and an IL2 get up than kill them on the ground?
could anyone really resist shooting up bombers on the runway of a de-acked field?
someone else is only going to shoot them if you dont, so it may as well be you. and landing 5 kills in 8 mins has a terrible satisfaction....
....although killing one decent pilot in a good fight, or shooting 3 planes down in under a minute in a Cat. 5 Furball provides far more.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Me vulching = :aok
Someone vulching me = :(
Is everyone clear on that?
-- Todd/Leviathn
lol exactly. haha
:D
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Originally posted by Stang
No one shoots chutes anymore :(
errrr ... ummm ... I DO !!!!
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Vulching is the ultimate form of art, plain and simple.
The guy behind the trigger is not at fault when you are vulched. It`s the guy flying your plane that has the prob.
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Last night i went to a base under attack by 4 P-38s. They did some vulching but then turned their efforts towards hitting the town. I was bale to sneak out in my 109G6 and gain a little alt and some good speed. About 10 seconds after I upped, some bomers took out the FHs. Now the P-38s were really interested in the town and must not have seen me get out. I then proceeded to shoot down three of them and chase the last one home.
Sometimes the vulchee becomes the vulcher :D
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Originally posted by TexMurphy
As a tactic vulching IS good.
But a game is more then just tactics. A game is, belive it or not, about having fun. Fun should never be had on the expence of another persons lack of fun.
Both players in an engagement have to have fun or eventually both will stop to have fun.
While its very effective tactics to vulch it is only and only fun for the one doing it, its never fun for the guy dieing to it.
One of the biggest reasons people eventually stop defending a base is because when the huge vulch sets down it aint fun anymore.
This leads up to the gigantic hoard hovering over a empty field with non to fight. Which aint fun either. Meaning your booored hanging there and the pilots who where defending have left because it wasnt fun.
So often does one see pilots leaving a hugly outnumbered base out of booredom and failed to even take it.
I mean what´s the point?
Id much rather see a base that is defended until the last dieing moments then one that is left undefended because it was vulched for 15min.
I as an attacker have more fun and the defender has more fun.
In war there is no fun factor. In war vulching is a great tactic.
Games are built on fun factor. In games any camping tactics are bad tactics.
Tex
I applaud you. Your Words sound great....But I will submit this small tidbit.
Player A could give 2 farts about player B's fun. It IS the MA way to be Arrogant , cocky , and generally a *******. Making fun OF player B would be more the style of the MA
This makes up 99 percent of the MA these days.
I have Vulched...prolly will Vulch again. VERY VERY RARELY is it in ANY OTHER WAY than to help keep the fighters down while GOON is dropping or in route.
I personally like em to get at least a LIL air under em before I hit em.
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Horde vulching is getting pretty sad.... 20 guys flying up and down the runway waiting for 1 guy to up......I'd rather watch grass grow
Roll up at field by yourself or with a couple others and try to stop large numbers from upping ..well that's a little different, that can be fun.
seem to have become softer in old age ;) hate shooting them when their wheels are still down these days...just seems kinda lame.
everyones diff of course , each to their own
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Originally posted by Stang
I have no problem with vulching. What I do have a problem with is lemming timid score potatos who ONLY vulch, that you only find in those 10 plane packs at relatively undefended fields. This is one thing that will get me going on ch200.
yup
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Hey if it weren't for vulching, I wouldn't get any kills at all. But with the vulch, I can get a legitimate, bonafide no ho kill as I collide with planes taking off or simply auger into them.
- SEAGOON:p
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I've noticed a great drop off of chutes floating about the fight. Use to be just about every sortie you had the chance to kill some lamo hangin by ropes.
Ahh..the old days.
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Ah, Nopoop... Its guys like you that make me happy that in AHII you can go to tower directly from the chute rather than hang there helplessly while a brave brave man like you shoots an unarmed guy dangling by a string.
HiTech.
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Vulching is as close to Nirvana as you can get! :D
Vulcheo, Ergo Sum:`"I Vulch, there for I am" :aok
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I'm dumb enough to keep upping, and upping, and upping from a capped field, so I'm entitled to vulch my share too :aok
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Is that a new "politically correct" wussie feature ??
Once a wussie..
He shot my plane down BA..BUT I BAILED !!!
I'd be embarrassed to bail. I don't have it keyed.
Then again, I'm not a wuss.
That's why I really enjoy shooting chutes.
One less wussie. I just wish I could hear the cryin when they go "squish"
It was one of lifes simple pleasures.
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
Vulching is as close to Nirvana as you can get! :D
Vulcheo, Ergo Sum:`"I Vulch, there for I am" :aok
You got that backwards...
Sum, Ergo Vulcheo.: "I am, therefore I vulch" :rofl
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The bonus being by riding it down like a man that when my tail is shot off and I'm in a flat spin floating to my demise I get to count the men of honor that shoot at my unflyable plane on the way down..
To get the kill ;)
Don't tell me about "honor"
I don't shoot floaters, wingless spinners or flaming wrecks.
I shoot at every bailer I'm close too.
LOL
..every chance I get
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So technically nopoop, I'd be safe taking off from a field you were vulching if I could select a flaming wreck from the hanger?
:D
- Seagoon
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Back in AH 1 I was blessed with the gift of a mission spawn just as I had cleared all the ack single handedly. I made one pass on the runway, used up about 80% of my ammo in my Hog (I know im bad aim, had trigger pulled whole runway length) but I landed something like 31 kills :D
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Originally posted by Seagoon
So technically nopoop, I'd be safe taking off from a field you were vulching if I could select a flaming wreck from the hanger?
:D
- Seagoon
Probably ... poop is not the sharpest knife in the drawer ya know ... ;)
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Don't tell me about "honor"
Heh, now there is a word that gets thrown around a lot, usually by the guy who just got his butt kicked. ;)
But I have no idea what 'Honor" means, and whatever it is, I sure don't have it :D
And I don't want it either :rofl
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Originally posted by nopoop
Don't tell me about "honor"
I didn't... I said 'You brave brave man'.
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Originally posted by koda76
You call it vulching:mad: I call It capping:aok
I call it sad.
If you want a fight, let the guy up.
If you don't want a fight....what are you doing here?
- oldman