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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Puff on December 10, 2004, 10:11:58 AM
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I'm sure there have been a million threads about this but I don't get on here very much so I thought I would start my own.
This perfect day all day every day sim is getting stale. I use to love to get up about 25k in a fighter and just fly through the clouds. And nothing beats a dog fight up in the clouds when you really have to stalk your prey. And what happened to ground level cross winds? You do know that is it proven to be impossible for there to be NO wind at all in real life. And night flying, I use to love it.... again having to really stalk your prey.
Have all of these been ripped from the sim for fear of new players not sticking around? Does AHII have some fatal flaw that makes it run poorly when faces with the utter challenge of a cloud? I swear if the sun never set I would go insane!!
Little info please.....
Puff420
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I miss clouds we used to have. The ground is cool and all but the clouds meant more to me.
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On that old island map that shows up once in a while, there are clouds over the main middle island. I always enjoys seeing them when I'm over that area.
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We should have the clouds and winds back. This is a flight "sim" after all right? These things were removed because of the whining little baby crowd, you know that don't you?
Bombers
they whined because the clouds would block their view of the ground targets.
they whined because the wind would throw off their bomb drops by a few yards and they couldn't hit anything. That was with the manually calibrated sights. I think with the new easy-mode sight again, wind should be brought back to make bombing not so easy again.
People with old systems
They whined because the clouds would kill their frame rates, so they couldn't play.
Newies
They just whine when anything isn't in easy mode. Clouds would make it hard for them to see the enemy
Wind would make them not fly straight when they left thier plane on autopilot for an hour.
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The night is a whole different topic.
The gamer crowd just turned up gamma so they could still see at night.
Another crowd would just log off until the sun came back up.
I HOPE that HTC makes some changes to the night so that it is effective and lasts longer.. Night could be awesome in TOD
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I know it's just a matter of changing the settings. Far be it for this game to be any more realistic than it already is. :rolleyes:
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I'd like to see clouds, wind, and even rain brought back to AHII. Low cloud cover or even fog would be cool. Fog would add an interesting aspect to ground vehicle operations and airfield operations to say the least. Imagine tank battles in a thick fog with no worries of enemy a/c... all you can see is muzzle flashes through the mist, then a hulk rumbles up at point blank range...Sneaking troops into a VH thru the fog...Then the fog lifts and the situation changes drastically.
However I remember several times flying a Lancaster for over an hour to get to a target only to discover it was covered by clouds in AHI. That was a real downer.
So here's a suggestion, bring back the weather, but add weather reports in the clipboard reports on base status. That way you could monitior the direction the weather is moving and know to divert to another target or what to expect when you arrive,.
I'm not a pilot so don't know pilot lingo to describe the weather at an airport you are planning a flight to, but here's a possible example that you pilots can translate to pilot talk:
A34: Heavy Cloudcover at 10K, wind NNW @15 mph, weather front moving SSE.
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Previous thread, subject same
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=137269
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Repost of what I posted in the last thread.
I think it is (response to question, "is it too much trouble to add some clouds?"). I dont use the TE (terrain editor), so you'd have to ask someone who does for clarification, or ask Skuzzy or HT. From what I understand of the cloud issue, in AHII map designers cannot add clouds, as they aren't a function of the TE. That means that after the map is designed and submitted, and tested, and debugged, and retested, someone (read Hitech or Skuzzy or whoever) has to do the programming to add the clouds. And if you want drift, speed and direction and all of that has to be done with the programming as the clouds are completely separate from the wind and are not affected by it. And since the clouds are hardwired as part of the terrain, it would have to be done individually with each map. Given the fact that Pyro posted not too long past now that they are working hard on another patch for this version, plus the new version of AHII with updated planes, and working on the new TE..........................
I think they have enough to keep their relatively small crew busy for some time yet, let alone dropping everything to program some clouds so we can oooo and aaaah.
I'm not sure if programming clouds will be a function of the new TE or not. You can ask. It would be awesome if they made that available to map designers, or if they even made it a function you can turn on and off like wind, but that (making it like wind I mean) would probably need a redesign of the basic framework.
Patience Grasshopper.
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Yeah, I have to agree that no weather and no night is getting very boring.
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More beautiful/high detailed clouds plrease.....
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yeah HTC y not put in night time??? sure there will be threads about no night i cant see and only noobs that turn their contrast up can only see, but w/e man just give it a shot :aok Im for the clouds, and mabey some rain that effects the flying. Please HTC PLEASE!!!! everyone ive talked to about this wants it so why put it off?
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All this talk about pretty puffy clouds, how about some rain, snow and rough seas.
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Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
All this talk about pretty puffy clouds, how about some rain, snow and rough seas.
I don't think rough seas matter much in a 'flight' simulator... But I would love to see clouds more often DEFINITELY... I like some wind too and Night is sorely missed by me, I would love that back.
Rain snow and other such particle effects would probably steal a lot of framerate so I don't know that I'd want that... Rain is hard to do, Microsoft has been trying to get it right for 20 years and they have a lot more resources to apply to their sim.
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Originally posted by Puff
This perfect day all day every day sim is getting stale. I use to love to get up about 25k in a fighter and just fly through the clouds. And nothing beats a dog fight up in the clouds when you really have to stalk your prey. And what happened to ground level cross winds? You do know that is it proven to be impossible for there to be NO wind at all in real life. And night flying, I use to love it.... again having to really stalk your prey.
Have all of these been ripped from the sim for fear of new players not sticking around?
If they were ripped (don't know, don't play) you can be sure it was to accommodate the mass of whining gamers.
:(
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Originally posted by KurtVW
I would love to see clouds more often DEFINITELY... I like some wind too and Night is sorely missed by me, I would love that back.
If I am not mistaken you can still find this in the H 2 H rooms.
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rough seas were removed so that we hurritards could have a relatively safe 1-in-10 chance of survival whilst ditching in the water, compared to the 1-in-100 more likely faced by real RAF pilots. amazing what 1 case of good scotch can accomplish.
:D
ps: i do miss night, but don't have enough scotch to bring it back.
cheers,
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Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
If I am not mistaken you can still find this in the H 2 H rooms.
You can find anything in H2h... I mean in main.
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Originally posted by beet1e
If they were ripped (don't know, don't play) you can be sure it was to accommodate the mass of whining gamers.
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Wow, the pinnacle of cool.. You don't even play, but you stick around to give commentary?
Pardon me while I laugh soda out my nose.
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It couldnt be because they had to sort some other things out
before the clouds and wind return could it? like HTC said.
But what do they know, Im sure guys like Beetle and Midnight must know better.... HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
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Bring back clouds? AH has never had them in the first place unless you are including those grey blocks from AH1? :lol
I've mentioned in other threads about clouds and weather. Bit hard to see how you can have a flight sim without em these days.
...-Gixer
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Would love some weather and clouds...it is getting stale there.I would like night too,but I don't think we will get it:confused :(
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There were never clouds at 25k in the MA.
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OK, here's a question. How would I go about putting clouds into the offline arena, as well as rain?
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Originally posted by KurtVW
Rain is hard to do, Microsoft has been trying to get it right for 20 years and they have a lot more resources to apply to their sim.
Not really, weather is done very well in FS8 and 9 the only thing it can't do is sever storms like Hurricanes mainly because there isn't a computer that exists that can display that kind of storm. I actually tried a flight from MIA during the last bunch of hurricanes the
wind was there at correct speed just the rain wasn't as heavy as it should of been.
I've flown into some great tropical storms in FS9 with thunderclouds to 30,000 feet,lightning,turbulance and wind blowing anything from 0 to 250 knots. So not only have they got it right, but they got it right using global real world Met stations in real time as well.
Looks stormy and wet to me.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/davest/DC3Rain.jpg)
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
Not really, weather is done very well in FS8 and 9 the only thing it can't do is sever storms like Hurricanes mainly because there isn't a computer that exists that can display that kind of storm. I actually tried a flight from MIA during the last bunch of hurricanes the
wind was there at correct speed just the rain wasn't as heavy as it should of been.
-Gixer
You didn't read what I said... I didn't say that the current version of FS can't do it... I said they took 20 years to figure out how to do it... And they are doing it with a MUCH larger staff of programmers (resources). And as you pointed out in your post, They STILL haven't nailed it.
I'm first to admit FS2004 has very good weather. FS2004 also has about 50 million times the budget that HTC has.
Anyhow, funny that you talk about Florida huricanes and post a screen shot of the Dutch Harbor Alaska challenge flight. I don't remember seeing any snow covered hills in Florida in hurricane season :p
Originally posted by KurtVW
Rain is hard to do, Microsoft has been trying to get it right for 20 years and they have a lot more resources to apply to their sim.
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Originally posted by KurtVW
You didn't read what I said... I didn't say that the current version of FS can't do it... I said they took 20 years to figure out how to do it... And they are doing it with a MUCH larger staff of programmers (resources). And as you pointed out in your post, They STILL haven't nailed it.
I'm first to admit FS2004 has very good weather. FS2004 also has about 50 million times the budget that HTC has.
Anyhow, funny that you talk about Florida huricanes and post a screen shot of the Dutch Harbor Alaska challenge flight. I don't remember seeing any snow covered hills in Florida in hurricane season :p
They haven't nailed it, simply because there isn't a computer that can run it. Not the software. MS uses real met stations and weather to match which works very well. Over the 20 years they have done an excellent job with FS and it's development for the PC and the whole FS community.
As for the screen shot you can't seem to read yourself. It was just a example of the weather and rain in FS. I have others of thunderstorms,snowstorms,fog,lightning etc, while on different flights. I never tried to make out that it was a hurricane and in Florida. If I had a pic of those flights I would of posted them.
As for MS having millions and poor HT being a small company, true enough but really what's that got to do with the price of fish when both are charging full price for admission?
Personally I don't see any point for rain and snow in the MA. Majority have a console quake like mentality and just wan't to kill stuff and don't want anything getting in the way. Though I do think clouds,wind and some sort of day,night cycle like WW2OL are important.
...-Gixer
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Lasersailer, would be easier to do if you hosted a H2H session actually.
When you host a session in H2H it gives you all the same controls HTC has in the arena's.
BTW in case anyones really missing the clouds. Pop into the TA & fly around A1 sometime. We see them almost aways floating around from 8k down to the deck.