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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: DREDIOCK on December 17, 2004, 07:22:10 AM
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Can Windows XP be installed on more then one machine per household/office?
Or do you have to buy a seperate copy of XP for each machine you own?
I saw a statement on another thread that would lead me to beleive you have to buy another copy per machine you own.
Which at $300 a pop seems absurd
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How is anyone going to know you've installed it twice in your home?
In the office.....well in Britain occasionally those nice men from the Department of Trade and Industry will come round and demand to see licenses for every installation of everything. But no-one can come into your home and demand the same thing.
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It is my understanding that to get XP to work once installed you have to actually go online and register it to activate it to get it to work.
I have XP on this machine but it was installed when I got it.
Unfortunately The guy I got it from didnt give me the disk, And I like to wipe clean then reinstall the operating system freash at least once a year.
In this case I have more then one machine and plan on getting yet another for my wife, which will need an OS.
Im figuring while Im at it I might as well upgrade the OS on all the machines but have no desire to spend $900 for 3 copies of XP
Originally posted by Swoop
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How is anyone going to know you've installed it twice in your home?
In the office.....well in Britain occasionally those nice men from the Department of Trade and Industry will come round and demand to see licenses for every installation of everything. But no-one can come into your home and demand the same thing.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
It is my understanding that to get XP to work once installed you have to actually go online and register it to activate it to get it to work.
Dunno who told you that but it's rubbish matey. Install XP, it'll work just fine.
Someone who knows more about it than me might mention automatic updates and CD keys.......but I've never had a problem with XP at all. Right now the copy of XP I have has been installed on at least 3 different PCs over the years and every single one of my mates is using a copy of XP downloaded by one of them a while back. One totally illegal copy of XP is running about 30 PCs.
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Originally posted by Swoop
Dunno who told you that but it's rubbish matey. Install XP, it'll work just fine.
Someone who knows more about it than me might mention automatic updates and CD keys.......but I've never had a problem with XP at all. Right now the copy of XP I have has been installed on at least 3 different PCs over the years and every single one of my mates is using a copy of XP downloaded by one of them a while back. One totally illegal copy of XP is running about 30 PCs.
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Grooooovey baby.
and Thengqueberrymush
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The corporate version does not require authorization.
Home and Pro do. (to the best of my knowledge, that is)
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if and when you do register the copy it will analyze your system configuration. If you made major Hardware changes it will block you from registering. For the most part I've heard that if you call them they will help you out and give you a new CD Key.
If your CD key is bogus you cannot get security updates and service packs.
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They dont actually give you a new CD key. Instead they give you a number that is 2.5 times as long as a CD key, you still have to have your original CD key as well.
Win XP Professional or Home will install once only with the CD key you get. I will quote you from the XP bible...........
"When you install Windows XP, you must activate it using Microsoft's anti-piracy technology: Product Activation. If you reformat the hard drive and reinstall Windows, you must activate it again. If you reinstall on a drive you have not formatted (a second hard drive), you need to reactivate only if you have changed numerous other hardware components of your system.
Windows examines 10 different hardware components, ranging from the CPU to hard drives to network and video cards, and creates a unique identifier for your machine upon activation. The term "significantly" means a change of 6 of the 10 hardware items, although even this isn't strictly adhered to. Furthermore, you can change any single component as often as you want, and it still counts as only one change.
On reinstallation, if you require reactivation, try to do so over the Internet. If your request is confused, the Product Activation wizard provides a telephone number along with a lengthy numeric code. Call the number, and punch in the code when so instructed by the automated attendant. In the vast majority of cases, the activation will proceed without incident. If not, and if you do, in fact, have a pirated version of Windows XP, you will probably have to buy a legal copy."
There is a workaround for reinstalling on the same PC, to keep from having to go through this, but unless your second PC is exactly the same build you will most likely get caught. I'm also not going to post it on the BBS as it could be considered a hack, especially if someone tries it to get around this on a second install. My suggestion to you is, either use an older copy of Windows for your other machine, or buy another license.
Which is all you have to do, you dont have to buy a second installation. A ll you have to do is buy another license. Totally different thing. The license is simply gives you another CD key that has never been issued, and costs nowhere near as much as another copy of the install. Thats how most businesses do it, they buy a minimum number of CDs and buy several licenses per CD.
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Im looking at installing it new on two machines and re-installing it on a 3rd that already has it but as I mentioned I dont have the disk for
Any idea on how much another licence costs?
If its only a nominal fee thats one thing. But if its say. in the hundreds.
It aint worth it
Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
They dont actually give you a new CD key. Instead they give you a number that is 2.5 times as long as a CD key, you still have to have your original CD key as well.
Win XP Professional or Home will install once only with the CD key you get. I will quote you from the XP bible...........
There is a workaround for reinstalling on the same PC, to keep from having to go through this, but unless your second PC is exactly the same build you will most likely get caught. I'm also not going to post it on the BBS as it could be considered a hack, especially if someone tries it to get around this on a second install. My suggestion to you is, either use an older copy of Windows for your other machine, or buy another license.
Which is all you have to do, you dont have to buy a second installation. A ll you have to do is buy anot
her license. Totally different thing. The license is simply gives you another CD key that has never been issued, and costs nowhere near as much as another copy of the install. Thats how most businesses do it, they buy a minimum number of CDs and buy several licenses per CD.
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I *believe* XP home is like 80 bucks for a license fee, and 120 for XP Pro. Dont quote me on that though. If you want to email me I'll send you the workaround to get your 3rd one back up without having to go through the reactivation bull. My email is
exileshiden@aol.com
Its relatively simple, but as I said, it could be viewed as a hack, and someone might try it to get around paying for it. So I'd rather not risk breaking the rules by posting it.
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After millions of reformats in the past few years, I've exceeded the "max number of installs" for online activation.
I just call'em up, sometime's it's automated, or indian, either one... you read off some #s, they'll read off some more #s, punch'em in, and you're set.
Hasn't made a beef with any installation after that.
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i have a sorta wierd question ...
What i have is a early verson of xp that I Received From Mrs Roo 's Mums collection after she Passed away last year ..
Is there a way i can trade it in on a new verson w/ sp2 on it already ??
(i have the original package/cd/key ) I'm not even shure if it was ever regestered .
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Another question,
whats the difference between the "OEM" version of Windows XP
I see advertised at places like Tiger Direct for $99 and the version I see in stores for $300?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Another question,
whats the difference between the "OEM" version of Windows XP
I see advertised at places like Tiger Direct for $99 and the version I see in stores for $300?
Absolutely nothing.
Oh, except the pretty box. If you want the box, pay the 300 bucks.
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No difference at all, OEM is only supposed to be purchased with a computer attached.
But a lot of places will sell it to you no questions asked although some insist you purchase a hard drive with it.
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There is a difference in the licensing with the OEM versions. If you buy the retail full or upgrade versions of winxp and make enough hardware changes to trigger the activation nonsense where you have to call microsoft, they'll happily reactivate your installation.
If you have the OEM version and change enough hardware, microsoft will probably tell you too bad, because the OEM version is only licensed for use on the original hardware it was installed on so if you upgrade it too much, it's not the original system so the OEM winxp license isn't good anymore.
I think it's BS but that's how it is. I know someone who had that happen and he was pissed. He bought a complete system (parts he put together) and installed windows, activated it, and got all the updates. A week later, the PSU smoked taking out almost every component in the computer. He sent it all back but instead of getting the exact same parts back, he made some changes. When he tried to reinstall windows, it wouldn't activate and microsoft told him "sorry, can't help you, this is between you and your system manufacturer."
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eagl is technically correct. However, I have re-activated my OEM XP pro twice online and once by phone. I re-activated my OEM XP Home once online. YMMV. Microsoft also provides no tech support (don't know why anyone would need it) for OEM versions.
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OEM is technically sold as part of a "new" machine. You can buy the components or accuire it with a store bought machine Dell/Gateway/HP etc...either way it is a fully valid license. I've never had a problem reactivating any OEM version I have. As a side note with all the legal beating microsoft has taken the last thing they want is a class action lawsuit on XP licensing. The laws surrounding software "licensing" all originate with copywright laws for books/music/movies. Your right to view/use a legitimately purchased "copy" of any of the above is written in legal stone. BTW you can get OEM XP home for ~$48 online a bunch of places...
http://www.hitechoutlets.com/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=2170
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Originally posted by humble
OEM is technically sold as part of a "new" machine. You can buy the components or accuire it with a store bought machine Dell/Gateway/HP etc...either way it is a fully valid license. I've never had a problem reactivating any OEM version I have. As a side note with all the legal beating microsoft has taken the last thing they want is a class action lawsuit on XP licensing. The laws surrounding software "licensing" all originate with copywright laws for books/music/movies. Your right to view/use a legitimately purchased "copy" of any of the above is written in legal stone. BTW you can get OEM XP home for ~$48 online a bunch of places...
http://www.hitechoutlets.com/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=2170
TY this may be the way I end up going.
Just checked out the Microsoft site on this issue.
They NEED some sort of suit against em.
Extortion seems more like the one that fits best
Check this out. And they wonder why people pirate their software!
Windows XP additional license pricing
Version Additional License Price
Windows XP Professional—full version $269.00
Windows XP Professional—version upgrade $184.00
Windows XP Home Edition—full version $184.00
Windows XP Home Edition—version upgrade $84.00
May Bill Gates, His wife and all his children contract an incurable form of syphilis in its most advanced stages
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Originally posted by humble
http://www.hitechoutlets.com/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=2170
How reputable is this site?
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Look, as people have already said if you're using the same CD key thats already been used then you wont be able to get security updates or service packs. Well considering every gamer in the world regretted installing service pack 2 I personally dont think that's a huge problem.
Especially if you're smart and download the corporate CD key list from somewhere and use those.
Trust me, you dont need to buy another copy of windows, you dont need to register online to get it to work either, you just wont be able to install service packs.
Oh dear, what a shame.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
How reputable is this site?
Seems to be fine....found them on http://www.majorgeeks.com they rarely have bad sites linked to them.....
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Originally posted by Swoop
Look, as people have already said if you're using the same CD key thats already been used then you wont be able to get security updates or service packs. Well considering every gamer in the world regretted installing service pack 2 I personally dont think that's a huge problem.
Especially if you're smart and download the corporate CD key list from somewhere and use those.
Trust me, you dont need to buy another copy of windows, you dont need to register online to get it to work either, you just wont be able to install service packs.
Oh dear, what a shame.
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I'm always amazed at people who seem to begrudge the other guy making a living. Why SHOULDN"T you have to pay for a product someone else designed and marketed? Now that being said you shouldnt have to pay more than once for the same product....but why not buy the damm thing for fifty bucks....
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Originally posted by humble
I'm always amazed at people who seem to begrudge the other guy making a living.
See now I'd agree with you if we weren't talking about Bill Gates here.
And we are talking about paying more than once for the same product.
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Bah, I use XP Corp edition. Bought it.
No need for that stupid activation garbage.
I can probably burn some people a copy. It has SP 1 on it as well.
I won't get around to it until after Xmas though.
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Originally posted by Swoop
See now I'd agree with you if we weren't talking about Bill Gates here.
And we are talking about paying more than once for the same product.
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I dont care bout bill....but I go agree on the paying more than once. I bought my XP (all of em) and the 1st time I cant use it like I want I'll sue Bill in a sec....cant have deeper pockets can you:)...