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Why we should be worried about Iran
December 16th, 2004
Asking why America should be concerned about the actions of Iran requires a careful look at events that highlight Iran’s slow buildup of weapons, their disregard for international treaties as well as their outspoken hostility towards Western interests.
Iran’s defiance of international treaties and their comments about American interests are detailed on the Reuters (http://[URL=http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6919789) news service website:
• June 2003 - IAEA issues its first report on Iran, saying Tehran has failed to comply with its Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) obligations and Tehran's failure to report nuclear materials, facilities and activities is a "matter of serious concern."
• Sept. 2003 - IAEA board sets Iran an Oct. 31 deadline to provide an exhaustive declaration of its nuclear activities. IAEA finds more highly enriched uranium (HEU) traces at a second site in Iran.
• Oct. 2003 - Iran tells France, Britain and Germany it will suspend enrichment-related activities, but does not.
• Iran provides what it says is a full declaration of its nuclear activities but does not include information on work on advanced P2 centrifuges, the machines that enrich uranium.
• December 2003 - Iran signs a protocol allowing snap inspections of its nuclear facilities.
• January 2004 - Iran's deal with the EU's "big three" unravels after reports it has continued enrichment-related activities.
• February 2004 - An IAEA report says Iran experimented with polonium-210, which can be used to trigger the chain reaction in a nuclear bomb. Iran has not explained the experiments.
• Iran again agrees to suspend enrichment, but again does not.
• June 2004 - An IAEA report says Iran imported parts for centrifuges and that it made "enquiries" for 4,000 magnets for P2 centrifuges, enough to equip 2,000 machines.
• September 2004 - IAEA report says Iran has announced it will begin preparing a large amount of uranium for enrichment. IAEA board tells Iran to suspend the enrichment program immediately.
• November 2004 - Iran promises the EU three it will suspend its enrichment program and invites IAEA to verify suspension, but then demands 20 centrifuges be exempt from the freeze.
These events alone would be enough to cause concern, but once coupled with information gathered from reports by the MEMRI (Middle East Media Research Institute) covering comments made over the summer in an editorial by Iranian officials it can be said that just being “concerned” might not be enough. MEMRI shows that in the July 6, 2004 edition of Kayhan Iranian officials stated:
"The entire Islamic Middle East is now a volatile and tangled trap, and will be set off by the smallest bit of silliness – and will reap many victims of the sinful adventurers… Indeed, the White House's 80 years of exclusive rule are likely to become 80 seconds of Hell that will burn to ashes everything that has been built.
"Iran's counter-response is likely to be called 'sudden death' and 'the Angel of Death suddenly revealed.' That very day, those who resist [Iran] will be struck from directions they never expected. The heartbeat of the crisis is undoubtedly [dictated by] the hand of Iran."
MEMRI’s report goes on to show that Iran is also involved in the recruitment and training of thousands of volunteers for suicide attacks against Western, European, and U.S. targets in Iraq, resuming long-rang missile projects which would be capable of reaching Europe and the U.S., and announced plans of using missiles to “eliminate ‘Anglo-Saxon’ civilization through the use of missiles and suicide bombers.
Where do we go from here? As of Tuesday it seemed as though multilateral diplomacy may have a chance with Iran. In an AP story White House press secretary Scott McClellan was quoted describing his confidence in the ability of European nations to bring about a peaceful resolution without the assistance of U.S. intervention.
"When it comes to Iran, we are very supportive of the efforts by our European friends to get Iran to abandon its nuclear weapons ambitions. And we stay in close contact with our European friends on their discussions and the progress that they have made ... That's the way we're approaching this issue," McClellan said.
Can such outspoken defiance and hatred be tamed through diplomacy and treaties? Will the U.N. enforce international treaties with Iran if it continues to break them?
The coming months will be the U.N.’s second chance, their test before America and the rest of the world. It will be the U.N.’s time to prove its worth or expose its impotence.
Mark Eichenlaub is a freelance writer in Chicago,IL and can be reached by email at ikez78@hotmail.com.
Mark Eichenlaub
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I say we take em out.
lazs
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We should plan future discussions about possible meetings to arrive at mutually beneficial agreements regarding the proper venue for determining how a solution to the current impasse can be eventually undertaken in a timely and efficient manner.
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Originally posted by ra
We should plan future discussions about possible meetings to arrive at mutually beneficial agreements regarding the proper venue for determining how a solution to the current impasse can be eventually undertaken in a timely and efficient manner.
and the results of all that work would be the opposing party completly disreguarding what they agreed to allready do.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I say we take em out.
lazs
So, sign up.
You can lead the Cub Scouts Brigade straight into Tehran, since that's just about all we'll have left since Iraq is giving us all we can handle.
if the Cubs can't get permission form the 'rents, maybe we can deploy the Salvation Army, they won't be much in demand after the holidays.
Let's start with NK...I mean, don't theyHAVE nuculur weapons already?
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
So, sign up.
You can lead the Cub Scouts Brigade straight into Tehran, since that's just about all we'll have left since Iraq is giving us all we can handle.
if the Cubs can't get permission form the 'rents, maybe we can deploy the Salvation Army, they won't be much in demand after the holidays.
Let's start with NK...I mean, don't theyHAVE nuculur weapons already?
Don't confuse what we are doing in Iraq with total war. Sherman said it the best.
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take them out too redbottom... fortunately, I am too old to go and so I would say that a draft would be in order... lotsa posters here doing nothing important. Be good for em... the ones who survived that is.
lazs
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
So, sign up.
In my case, been there, done that. Your turn.
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The only the red tail would serve would be his own leftist whacko best interests.
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Actually, there are a large number of Iranians that really like the United States. It's just their "let's all go back to the Eleventh Century, but have A-bombs" government that's the problem.
Some good articles in last months Atlantic Magazine on this.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I say we take em out.
lazs
Damn Right! A nuke for Tehran, and a nuke for Damascus, the world becomes a safer place.
Better they fear us then love us! :aok
dago
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Im wondering about your source of informaions....
3 days ago i came back from Iran after 1 month, didnt hear about sutch BS from anyone.
but you probably have some super source of informations... i only hope that its not same source whitch reported that Iraq bought Uranium in Africa :P
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Originally posted by lada
Im wondering about your source of informaions....
3 days ago i came back from Iran after 1 month, didnt hear about sutch BS from anyone.
but you probably have some super source of informations... i only hope that its not same source whitch reported that Iraq bought Uranium in Africa :P
yup I have the superest source of informations. I am the ONLY one who can read it because it is so super secret. BUT, because you are a member of this BBS I will grant you specific access to this super secret source.
I give you.....Reuters
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6919789
SSSSSHHHHHHH don't tell anyone I told you ;)
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yeep i manage to read it at Reuters .. no matter, that you porked that link :]
However ... it seems that you just copy past it, so i have no clue, where are those informations form
but i found this from Iranian news..
"Iran`s right to take full advantage of
nuclear power for peaceful purposes, including having access to full
cycle of producing nuclear fuel, practical materializing of the
Iran-EU nuclear cooperation, and making quite sure that Iran`s fuel
cycle will not deviate towards production of nuclear bombs in the
future form the main axes of this group`s work."
http://www.irna.ir/?SAB=OK&LANG=EN&PART=_ARCHIVE&TYPE=_NARCHIVE&id=20041216011441F26
i didnt find any single word about so called "iranian promisses" ... umm ohh welll i will keep messing in archive for a while
edit1: did you hear about this in your news ?
http://www.irna.ir/?SAB=OK&LANG=EN&PART=_ARCHIVE&TYPE=_NARCHIVE&id=20041216145839F26
edit2: this realy sux for US .. it has to be realy diseaster for mr. bush
http://www.irna.ir/?SAB=OK&LANG=EN&PART=_ARCHIVE&TYPE=_NARCHIVE&id=20041217173736F27
but i didnt manage to find anything about promises regarding Uranium enrichment. prg.
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Lada it's not wise to get all of your news from one source.
either way the Story (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041214/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_us_nuclear_3) was based on the following report
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=ia&ID=IA18904
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=countries&Area=iran&ID=SP74304
TEHRAN, Iran - Iran is willing to talk with the United States about a nuclear program that Washington alleges is aimed at secretly acquiring the bomb, Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi said Monday. The White House, however, rejected the idea.
AP Photo
Germany, Britain and France launched new negotiations with Iran on Monday to try to persuade Tehran to abandon any nuclear program that could be used for weapons, in return for aid to build up its civilian energy program.
Kharrazi told a news conference that talks with Washington could also be possible. The United States broke diplomatic relations with Iran after militant students seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran in 1979.
"If negotiations are on the basis of equality and mutual respect in the same way we are talking to Europeans now, there is no reason not to talk to others," Kharrazi said when asked whether Tehran was also willing to talk to the United States about its nuclear program.
The White House made plain it has no intention of joining the talks.
"When it comes to Iran, we are very supportive of the efforts by our European friends to get Iran to abandon its nuclear weapons ambitions. And we stay in close contact with our European friends on their discussions and the progress that they have made ... That's the way we're approaching this issue," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said. "What we believe is important is that ultimately Iran agree to end its nuclear weapons program, not just suspend it."
Iran's reformers support dialogue with Washington but hard-liners are opposed to any rapprochement, arguing that the only U.S. goal is to bring about the collapse of the ruling Islamic establishment.
Some Europeans have hoped America's possible engagement in talks with Iran would increase pressure on Tehran to permanently abandon any weapons program and reassure its rulers that Washington was not seeking their overthrow.
Kharrazi, addressing the news conference with his South African counterpart, Nkosazana Dlamini Zuma, said Iran will assess the talks with European countries within three months if new negotiations do not meet Iran's demand to use its nuclear program for domestic energy purposes.
"If we see that talks are waste of time and have no results, definitely we will make our own decisions," he said.
Kharrazi described the talks as "very serious" and dismissed allegations that Tehran was stalling, insisting that Iran had "no interest in wasting time."
Iran agreed to a temporary deal with the Europeans last month to suspend uranium enrichment but has insisted that the freeze is voluntary and short.
Zuma, whose country is an influential member of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog, said South Africa defends "Iran's right for peaceful use of nuclear technology," but was opposed to a weapons program.
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im sorry but memri is american agency based in USA.... ummm if they have diferent informations that Iranian news agencies, im not about to belive them because of their lovely director. Specialy if the other world wide media like BBC do not post sutch materials.
Do you have some non-american source of sutch informations ?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Why we should be worried about Iran
December 16th, 2004
Beacuse you never know if they are nekkid under those linens?
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Originally posted by lada
im sorry but memri is american agency based in USA.... ummm if they have diferent informations that Iranian news agencies, im not about to belive them because of their lovely director. Specialy if the other world wide media like BBC do not post sutch materials.
Do you have some non-american source of sutch informations ?
sure....just follow the links in their pargraphs that document their statements
ITS CALLED RESEARCH LADA! You asked me if the one story was in american news and I showed you it was.
Meri has links to all of their sources of information in almost every paragraph. The links mostly go to NON-American sites and news agencies like:
http://www.sharghnewspaper.com/830307/gover.htm
and
http://rouydad.info/news/index.aspx?UID=2513
are some of their online sources as well as direct quotes from Kayhan (Iran), and Al-Sharq Al-Awsat (London), June 14, 2004
so yes it may be an American Source but it is an extremly well documented American Source. If you cannot prove that any of the things posted on this site are false than I must disagree with finding an alternative source of information.
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im sorry but memri is american agency based in USA.... ummm if they have diferent informations that Iranian news agencies, im not about to belive them because of their lovely director. Specialy if the other world wide media like BBC do not post sutch materials.
Do you have some non-american source of those informations ?
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Originally posted by lada
im sorry but memri is american agency based in USA.... ummm if they have diferent informations that Iranian news agencies, im not about to belive them because of their lovely director. Specialy if the other world wide media like BBC do not post sutch materials.
Do you have some non-american source of those informations ?
http://www.sharghnewspaper.com/830307/gover.htm
http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2004/gov2004-79.pdf
http://www.kayhannews.ir/
http://www.irna.ir/
Unfortunatly the only language I read well is English other wise I would post more sources that Memri quotes. Most of Iran's daily papers are listed here though
http://www.parstimes.com/papers.html
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if you cannot except this than I think you are unreasonable
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Beacuse you never know if they are nekkid under those linens?
man i wish i could post some pictures of my iranian friends.... one would be wondering what are they hiding :D
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im sorry but memri is american agency based in USA
Memri isn't an American agency. It was founded, and is run, by an ex colonel in Israeli military intelligence called Yigal Carmon.
Memri's purpose is to search Arabic media for "juicy" quotes, translate them, and disseminate them in Europe/America.
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Originally posted by lada
man i wish i could post some pictures of my iranian friends.... one would be wondering what are they hiding :D
oh please...puttin on my shades --> :cool:
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
http://www.sharghnewspaper.com/830307/gover.htm
http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2004/gov2004-79.pdf
http://www.kayhannews.ir/
http://www.irna.ir/
Unfortunatly the only language I read well is English other wise I would post more sources that Memri quotes. Most of Iran's daily papers are listed here though
http://www.parstimes.com/papers.html
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if you cannot except this than I think you are unreasonable
thx for links... however i cant read farsi as well :]]
but fist link that you posted contain picture of current president, man who made many reforms and the one who gave mullahs hard time.
second link is document, whitch has been refused by Iran.
i post you link to irna before... howeever i didnt mange to find anything related to WMD or some abandon promises to EU
I were interesting in news, whitch speak about same things like MEMRI... something what could back their statements. however i didnt find any material page, where iran theat some other country...
umm is it clear what i am looking for ?
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Originally posted by Nilsen
oh please...puttin on my shades --> :cool:
jaja ja .. i will put it on your shades and your wife will send me piece of anthrax :D
however i just made alsa working so i will try to post it somewhere :)