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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: NUKE on December 18, 2004, 10:46:33 PM
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Although some blind people may think that Libya ended it's nuke program after years of UN and European pressure, most rational people have always realized that Libya is now cooperating because of the USA, nothing more.
http://news.bostonherald.com/international/view.bg?articleid=59394
``America was very worried that Libya might get a mass destruction weapon, so they were very happy about our decision,'' Gadhafi said on RAI's `
In other words, he is ending the programs because he is afraid of the US, not the UN or anyone else.
``It was Mr. Bush who promised to reward Libya if we got rid of this program,'' he said. ``The withdrawal of this program was pro-Mr. Bush.''
In other words....he's afraid that Bush might actually act against him.
The UN means nothing to Libya, Iraq, NK, Iraq or anyone else. The only thing nations understand is the credible threat and use of force.
The UN will never scare any nation into conforming to it's useless resolutions.
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It was Mr. Bush who promised to reward Libya if we got rid of this program
I guess some don't draw the line at buying off terrorists...oh wait..apart from the Saudis
But then I thought it was Blair's doing in Libya?
Oh well perhaps the poodle was being walked at the same time...
Tronsky
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Originally posted by NUKE
In other words, he is ending the programs because he is afraid of the US, not the UN or anyone else.
In other words....he's afraid that Bush might actually act against him.
well realy ?? if im not wrong, you quoted that
``It was Mr. Bush who promised to reward Libya if we got rid of this program,'' he said
So he simply bough them. You explanation is wrong. He gave program because and i will copy past it again [ ``It was Mr. Bush who promised to reward Libya if we got rid of this program,'' he said ] ....
How exactly did you conclude, that they are afraid of Us ?
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Originally posted by lada
well realy ?? if im not wrong, you quoted that
``It was Mr. Bush who promised to reward Libya if we got rid of this program,'' he said
So he simply bough them. You explanation is wrong. He gave program because and i will copy past it again [ ``It was Mr. Bush who promised to reward Libya if we got rid of this program,'' he said ] ....
How exactly did you conclude, that they are afraid of Us ?
Give me a frikkin break! You guys howl that Bush doesn't use diplomacy, but when he utilizes the old addage "you catch more flys with honey..." you go nuts on him again. He can't win with you boneheads. I consider it money, or whatever, well invested. Don't you???
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Originally posted by slimm50
Give me a frikkin break! You guys howl that Bush doesn't use diplomacy, but when he utilizes the old addage "you catch more flys with honey..." you go nuts on him again. He can't win with you boneheads. I consider it money, or whatever, well invested. Don't you???
whos howling here ?
Im just asking how did he conclude that Kadafi gave up his program because he was afraid of Bush. Im not telling that make bussines with freedom fighters is crime.
psssst tronski :cool:
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IT WAS ALL USA! USA DID IT!
U-S-A!! U-S-A!! U-S-A!!U-S-A!! U-S-A!! HOO HOO HOO!
Mr Blair said Britain had been engaged in talks with Libya for nine months.
""Libya came to us in March following successful negotiations on Lockerbie to see if it could resolve its weapons of mass destruction issue in a similarly co-operative manner," he said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3335965.stm
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that explain Nuke`s belive that Kadafi feared US so he gave up his program :D
thx for link
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Originally posted by lada
America, I don't like very much this country. :D
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Originally posted by Suave
I run out of arguments so i called lada USA hater :D
...is anybody surprised ?
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He gave up his program because at the time the US was invading Iraq, had invaded Afghanistan and had a sizable military force in europe and in the middle east.
Kid you not Lybia was very likely 'up there' in the menu.
The guy did the only thing he could to stay in power himself. He gave up his nukes in return for not being deposed. All wacko dictators keep themselves in power at any cost. He may have lost credibility in the eyes of his fellow arabs and terrorrist groupies but he's still in power and thats what counts for him.
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Nuke should just direct everything he posts direct to
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Could save a lot of time and cut out the middleman - less thinking required too!!!
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Originally posted by OIO
He gave up his program because at the time the US was invading Iraq, had invaded Afghanistan and had a sizable military force in europe and in the middle east.
Kid you not Lybia was very likely 'up there' in the menu.
The guy did the only thing he could to stay in power himself. He gave up his nukes in return for not being deposed. All wacko dictators keep themselves in power at any cost. He may have lost credibility in the eyes of his fellow arabs and terrorrist groupies but he's still in power and thats what counts for him.
Exactly right. The cedible threat of force made Lybia act, not the credible threat of UN resolutions or peace talks.
Gadhafi was quoted as saying "I saw what happened to Iraq and I was afraid"
You guys think that suddenly Gadhafi woke up and decided to give all his nuclear materials to the USA? I remember at the time it was announced, a bunch of clowns here were saying that talks with the Europeans had finally paid off.
What I am saying is that Lybia only gave up it's nuke program because they were afraid of the US. That is why the USA now holds the remnants of Lybia's nuke program on our own soil.
Rationalise it however you like, but the facts are that the US is the reason Lybia gave in.
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I not sure why you brought this issue up again. Gaddafi has been trying to make nice with west for ages now. You know that, so I can only assume this tread is nothing but a troll.
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Thrawn, I brought it up because it was in the news on 12/17/05, an interview with Gadhafi.
He clearly does not mention any other reason for giving up his nuke program other than Bush and America. His current statements reenforce what he was quoted as saying at the time.
I'm not bashing any country and never have.
The whole point is that the threat of force and nothing else is the reason Lybia gave in. The same through history.
I really wish the UN would have that credibility, but they don't. Resolutions and words mean nothing to countries like Lybia, Iran, Iraq, NK, and others.
The only way we are going to have a credible UN is by the credible threat of force. Otherwise they will be known as resolution authors and nothing more.
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"The whole point is that the threat of force and nothing else is the reason Lybia gave in."
BS, Kaddafi has been trying to make peace with the west for ages. Hence his capitulation over demands for him to pay restitution for the airline bombings. I don't give a crap what Quadaphi says or doesn't say it just bull**** politics, look at his actions. Or do you now believe that he is a font of thruth because he is saying what you want to hear?
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LOL
He was trying so hard to make peace, that he continued to develope nuclear capability until it was no longer wise to do so.
You don't care what Gadhafi says as the reason? What other source would you consider more accurate?
Why do you think Lybia's nuke materials now are in the hands of US and not anywhere else?
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Originally posted by NUKE
Why do you think Lybia's nuke materials now are in the hands of US and not anywhere else?
because other do not need to steal nuclear materials ?
correct ? :D
Im wondering, why US took Iraqi hitech devices and moved them to US instead of destroy them or leave them for new Iraq, whitch could use them for civil purpose :D
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Originally posted by lada
because other do not need to steal nuclear materials ?
correct ? :D
Why would the US need to steal nuclear materials? We can produce all we need. Are you just ignorant?
Lybia gave the materials to us.
Next.
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"In other words....he's afraid that Bush might actually act against him"
I think everyone is affraid that he will make up some stories and act against them. Let alone a few middle east countries.
Hence Iran's logic and their accelerated rush to get Nukes if they haven't already got them. Funniest thing about Iran there you have a country thats actively building nukes yet Bush can't get the support he needs as that little boy has already cried wolf.
I doubt even the poodle would join in on that adventure.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
"In other words....he's afraid that Bush might actually act against him"
I think everyone is affraid that he will make up some stories and act against them. Let alone a few middle east countries.
Hence Iran's logic and their accelerated rush to get Nukes if they haven't already got them. Funniest thing about Iran there you have a country thats actively building nukes yet Bush can't get the support he needs as that little boy has already cried wolf.
I doubt even the poodle would join in on that adventure.
...-Gixer
You think Iran is Bush's responsibility? The funny thing to me is that you and probably the rest of the sane people of the world recognise that Iran is a threat ( he, kind of like Iraq was considered to be) yet no one does anything about it.
Iran will probably be laid on our shoulders because no one else is going to do anything.
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Originally posted by Gixer
[B Bush can't get the support he needs as that little boy has already cried wolf.
...-Gixer [/B]
Except of course that France, Germany and Britain are all themselves crying "wolf" right along with Bush. Sort of blows your analogy, doesn't it?
Iran Allegedly Builds Secret Facility for Nuke Program (http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1410069,00.html)
The Iran-EU talks broke off Saturday, opening the door to moves towards UN sanctions. A diplomat close to the talks said Britain, France and Germany had given Iran until late Sunday to agree to a full freeze, including 20 disputed centrifuges, or they would table a tough resolution at the IAEA meeting.
Iran Allegedly Builds Secret Facility for Nuke Program (http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1410069,00.html)
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sure iran hide plenty of Nuke facility .... .. but they will never ever beat Saddams mobile laboratory.....
The only one problem is this
(form the link)
"with the 20 centrifuges, the machines used to enrich uranium to make nuclear fuel but also what can be the raw material for atomic weapons."
but also, but also..... ummm
its another news reported by some sort of secret services, so its another BS IMO.
Im wondering that nobody offered them some ultra cheap power or something what could remove their need of Nuke powerplant.
It seems very easy to me. If they need power and the only one way how to get enough power is nuke power plant, lets provide them power for reasonable price and problem is over. Pitty that EU "offers", if there are any, arent public.
edit : umm hold on. date of that story is 28.11 ... its a bit old isnt it ? i think there has been some progress already
edit: lol its old story... there are few more
but this rock
" That though is not enough to convince the White House of any change in policy towards Iran. At the weekend, the Washington Post reported that the US secret service had bugged ElBaradei because the White House doesn't trust him. "
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1427820,00.html
interesting article as well
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1425660,00.html
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Al Gore invented the internet.
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Originally posted by Toad
Except of course that France, Germany and Britain are all themselves crying "wolf" right along with Bush. Sort of blows your analogy, doesn't it?[/URL]
No not at all, Bush is the only one along with Israel that would be keen for a few airstrikes or even better invade. Then again that isn't working out so well in Iraq so I doubt he would try more then air strikes and a few cruise missiles in furture.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
No not at all, Bush is the only one along with Israel that would be keen for a few airstrikes or even better invade. Then again that isn't working out so well in Iraq so I doubt he would try more then air strikes and a few cruise missiles in furture.
...-Gixer
Gixer, you believe Iran is a threat correct?
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Funniest thing about Iran there you have a country thats actively building nukes yet Bush can't get the support he needs as that little boy has already cried wolf.
Funniest thing is that France, Germany and Britain all see the same problem with Iran that Bush sees.
As I said, if they all see the same problem as Bush, then they're all crying "wolf".
At this point, the four entities may differ on possible solutions/actions but it sure looks like they agree on the problem.
So, again, your analogy doesn't fit.
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Originally posted by Toad
Funniest thing is that France, Germany and Britain all see the same problem with Iran that Bush sees.
not true.... EU mind, that if they will enrich uranium at low lvl, they could master it in short time to enrich it to weapon grade.
So europe mind, that they could have sutch know how.
US is just *****ing about some Secret nuclear weapon program.
So there is diference between Eu and Us.
Us is hunting ghost and moblie laboratories as usualy, but europe trying to solve >possible< problem with enritchment.
So i dont think that Eu and Bush have same problem with Iran, do you think so ?
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Originally posted by NUKE
You think Iran is Bush's responsibility? The funny thing to me is that you and probably the rest of the sane people of the world recognise that Iran is a threat ( he, kind of like Iraq was considered to be) yet no one does anything about it.
muhehehe Iran is sooo dangerous... man i have to ask some of my iranian friends .. they must feel very important now.... coz average american probably fear them. muhehe
But yes... i can imagine, that some sort of brainwashed sheep could run to Iran and get lost in desert or mountains..... and then hungry iranians could be realy dangerous.
Originally posted by NUKE
Iran will probably be laid on our shoulders because no one else is going to do anything.
belive me.. iranian dont give a watermelon about your sexual problems.....
They will be happy to continue with their reforms and improvments. and they need them badly, everyone over there know it..
But if you will meet iranian on the street, better run away, he could nuke you... specialy after lunch or dinner :lol
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All of this begs the question...
How much to pay off NK, a FAR more dangerous state, than Iran will ever be?
I don't hear so much tough talk about going after a country that's pretty much said, straight up.
"we have em, here's the proof, now do something about it."
better yet, when do we invade?