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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SunKing on December 21, 2004, 01:41:06 AM
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EA is buying them out.
Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4112605.stm)
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We all know what comes next...
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Actually...I don't. Could u elaborate?
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EA bought Air Warrior and promptly killed it.
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Ahh, so thats why IL2 took a massive hemorage to the pooper
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seems like every time a company gets bought out, they kill flight sim projects as unprofitable, and put more money into the games I think suck
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Looks like they only bought 19.9% of the company's stake...not really a controling stake in the company but a good chunk.
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Originally posted by rpm
EA bought Air Warrior and promptly killed it. [/QUOT
One of many on a long list.
Can you say monopoly children?
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EA has a history of killin fantastic games.
EA is mainstream. EA is "arcade".
Flightsims arnt mainstream.
Sad to see Il-2 get killed, it will. It doesnt fit EA´s portfolio.
EA is since long boycoted by me. I dont buy any EA products.
Tex
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But but but.... isn't Ubisoft a french company??? I thought you 'ricans would nevar buy french products EVAR AGAIN!!!!
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I thought Ubisoft was simply the Western world's distributor for IL-2? Isn't IL-2 owned by Maddox games?
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Il2 will continue on, but maybe not for the western part of the world. 1C is the distributer in Russia, and Oleg Maddox has made it clear they will be continuing with pay add ons (1946 Eastern front What-If so far announced) for them.
We may see them if UBI agrees to release them.
There will be no more planes released for the western world that were built by Northrop, Grumman, Republic, or Vought.
A patch or two is on the way, with some new planes, and after that some new maps.
If EA completely buys out UBI, they will more than likely terminate Maddox's contract - which would then allow him to search for a new western publisher I believe.
-SW
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Bad news for Ubi, great news for HTC...aAnother competitor will soon be gone.
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What? They aren't even in the same category, they can't be competing.
-SW
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I disagree... IMHO its one of the reasons HTC has been reviewing the eye candy recently (including the stick on the Ki-84). Its not that Ubi could ever compete with the online play, but too many people play for eye candy unfortunately.
Its all cool, so long as HTC doesn't stop working on my OD P38G. :D
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The reason they've been looking at their eye candy, is because they've had the same stuff since 1999. It's the natural evolution of games, people will want better eye candy when the hardware around is capable of doing it. Even with the best eye candy in the world, I'm not coming back to AH2 until they get the ToD thing moving. Air quake n00b fests aren't fun for me, I'd rather play Counter Strike.
This is hardly the end of the Il2 series or of Maddox's upcomming BoB series. It may be the end of UBI, but they don't own Maddox Games - they just publish and distribute them for now.
-SW
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He will fall to the sound of money just like many before him.
Old saying Money talks, BS walks usualy holds true, especialy in that cut throat world.
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I don't think you understand the difference between a company that publishes and distributes a game vs. the company that makes a game.
-SW
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Il-2 is NOT a pure competitor.
Its actually a coopetition. What ever interest Il-2 generates for the genre generates interest for AH as well. Though inorder for players that found interest to get interest in AH it needs better graphics. Thats what we are getting.
Playing Il-2 online and AH2 is two different games and both games need each other, and the other players on the market, to create attention around the genre.
Tex
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Ahhh, Man, I really miss Legends of Kesmai.
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Originally posted by slimm50
Ahhh, Man, I really miss Legends of Kesmai.
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/LoKFriends
Go there and be surprised.
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Originally posted by texace
Looks like they only bought 19.9% of the company's stake...not really a controling stake in the company but a good chunk.
wouldnt that all depend on how many people own the other 20.1%?
If EA is the larset single shareholder wouldnt that make them the controling stockholder?
Or would that have to be over 50%?
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Originally posted by TexMurphy
EA has a history of killin fantastic games.
EA is mainstream. EA is "arcade".
Flightsims arnt mainstream.
Sad to see Il-2 get killed, it will. It doesnt fit EA´s portfolio.
EA is since long boycoted by me. I dont buy any EA products.
Tex
As it is by me also.
While I have several EA products.
I didnt and wont plunk down my money for em.
I remember about a year ago I got a friendly Email from EA offering me something or other.
My reply was simple and directly to the point.
"Remember a game called Airwarrior?"
"Remeber Dec 7th?"
"I do. And now you can all go F*** yourselves"
Wasnt just what they did. But the way they went about doing it.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Il2 will continue on, but maybe not for the western part of the world. 1C is the distributer in Russia, and Oleg Maddox has made it clear they will be continuing with pay add ons (1946 Eastern front What-If so far announced) for them.
From what Oleg said on Russian boards - Russian releases by 1C are unprofitable, and it's a very soft term.
Jewel case with one game CD sells here for less then 100 rubles, 2xCD - 200, etc. Only maniacs like me buy boxed versions. I bought IL-2 when it was released, for 700+ rubles, box including funny booklets like "Introduction to air combat by Oleg Maddox" ;) and a good T-shirt. The game lasted for about 3 hours on my HDD, I couldn't tolerate the view system :(
Russian releases can't give you reasonable money for a game developed only for this market, only official releases of translated bestsellers like Doom-3 are profitable. Flightsims are too far from teenage mainstream.
JFYI: 1C is almost a monopolist on Russian accounting/business software market. It's their main business, and this gaming projects are only a part of a "software supermarket" programm.
Oleg had special resons to turn to 1C to complete an IL-2 project. It happened in early-99, after a 1998 "crisis" in Russia.
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Originally posted by Boroda
after a 1998 "crisis" in Russia.
Ahhh...yes, the Great Vodka Shortage of '98. Heard some horrific stories about it.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Saintaw
But but but.... isn't Ubisoft a french company??? I thought you 'ricans would nevar buy french products EVAR AGAIN!!!!
What reason does Animal have to nevar buy French? puerto ricans are gentle, loving people... and sex machines.
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EA also bought out the ESPN Games company that was producing NFL2K, NBA2K, NHL2K, etc. Damn shame, now I'm stuck with Madden and chit.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Looks like they only bought 19.9% of the company's stake...not really a controling stake in the company but a good chunk.
wouldnt that all depend on how many people own the other 20.1%?
If EA is the larset single shareholder wouldnt that make them the controling stockholder?
Or would that have to be over 50%?
Soooooo.............lets see.................
20.1 + 19.9 = 40 right? What exactly is the point you are trying to make with this math? Or is it that you want to say "wouldnt that all depend on how many people own the other 80.1%"?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
wouldnt that all depend on how many people own the other 20.1%?
If EA is the larset single shareholder wouldnt that make them the controling stockholder?
Or would that have to be over 50%?
Ubisoft would hold the largest stake if they still have 49.9% of their shares. Unless they've sold all fo that (unlikely) to everyone it would not make EA the controlling shareholder. But, EA most likely holds the second largest stake and it would give them some power within the company. This would not give them power of the company, but they would have say on marketing decisions as well as production.
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I like the NCAA titles, never been a big fan of Madden though.
Kinda wierd considering the NCAA title is basically Madden but tuned slightly different, and with college teams.
I chalk it up to not liking pro sports in general.
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And I agree, I refuse to buy anything EA. They ruined all my favorite games.
Airwarrior
Wing Commander
Ultima
I even blame them for the fall of the VooDoo video card empire.
Maybe EA knows where Jimmy Hoffa is? They seem good at burying things where no one can find them.
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yup news from the front, both battling it out here in Montreal were Ubisoft came in '97 and EA last year...
when EA came last year they hired 3 or 5 employees(can't remember) that worked for Ubisoft or still worked there, under contract its illegal for them to disclose any company blablabla lawyer watermelon err legal recourse or something.
big boss of Ubisoft here has only 15% shares, EA wants 20% shares, simple arithematic, it ain't gonna happen:D
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It was also a hostile purchase. Ubisoft did not willingly sell these shares to EA, instead EA courted some Ubisoft shareholders and that's how they got the shares they did.
It was nice to see the NBA reject EA's offer of an exclusive license agreement.
ack-ack
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who cares?
IL2 is a load of rubbish anyhow.
the flight model is poor. the fight coad is layghable.
the only thing it ever had going for it was the graphics.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I don't think you understand the difference between a company that publishes and distributes a game vs. the company that makes a game.
-SW
And I`m sure you don`t have a grasp on who owns what and who or how mergers, shelters, etc. works. :)
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Soooooo.............lets see.................
20.1 + 19.9 = 40 right? What exactly is the point you are trying to make with this math? Or is it that you want to say "wouldnt that all depend on how many people own the other 80.1%"?
thats what I ment
Dunno where I got that 20 from LOL
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Originally posted by Jackal1
And I`m sure you don`t have a grasp on who owns what and who or how mergers, shelters, etc. works. :)
Thank you for proving you don't know that Maddox Games is a seperate entity from UBI.
-SW
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Ahhh...yes, the Great Vodka Shortage of '98. Heard some horrific stories about it.
ack-ack
Hey, was it a hamburger and coke shortage in 1929 in your country? <- the only thing I can use as a polite answer instead of "FU".
The problem is that many creative people like Oleg had to completely re-organise their businesses, and I doubt that Ubi or 1C could be the publishers of IL-2 family if we didn't have August 17th, 1998 disaster, arranged my IMF and other "friends".
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Battlefield 19il2?
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Originally posted by Sp4de
Battlefield 19il2?
....online?
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Who gives a rat's about Il2! I use to divide my online time between Aces High and Raven Shield/Athen Sword, a Ubisoft game. Now that I don't play AH anymore I've been playing a lot of RS/AS. This will suck if they F-up one more game company I enjoy(being a former Air Warrior).
-SLICER
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Thank you for proving you don't know that Maddox Games is a seperate entity from UBI.
-SW
That`s just my point.
They may not be such a "seperate entity" of each other as you think.
Because they carry different commercial names and want to be percieved as such doesn`t mean squat.
It`s all about the mean green and protecting the same.
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Boroda, we'll talk about it next week at the airport. Partly because I have no idea what 1998 was all about, and i'm tired and my feet are cold.
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Originally posted by TexMurphy
EA has a history of killin fantastic games.
EA is mainstream. EA is "arcade".
Flightsims arnt mainstream.
Sad to see Il-2 get killed, it will. It doesnt fit EA´s portfolio.
EA is since long boycoted by me. I dont buy any EA products.
Tex
Why would the by ubi soft if not for the floight sims?
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Originally posted by Jackal1
They may not be such a "seperate entity" of each other as you think.
It's not what I think, it's the simple fact. UBI does not own Maddox Games. They are the publisher of the games they make, they do not own that company.
Simply a fact, in the 3 years I've been buying and playing the games that issue has surfaced many times.
-SW
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Why would the by ubi soft if not for the floight sims?
For their Montreal Studio and other rights to Ubisoft's library of games like the Prince of Persia series, Tom Clancy games, etc...
ack-ack
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
It's not what I think, it's the simple fact. UBI does not own Maddox Games. They are the publisher of the games they make, they do not own that company.
Simply a fact, in the 3 years I've been buying and playing the games that issue has surfaced many times.
-SW
:D
Yea, and it will surface again......... very shortly. lol
As far as that goes UBI does not actualy own UBI. :D
You got any idea how big of bed partners EA and AOL are? Ever wonder why?
Just surface names for the public eye and for shelter.
And it is also not Maddox games anymore, but instead 1C:Maddox after the joining of Maddox and 1C company in `99. :D
Read on and learn Grasshopper :D
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At present 5300 dealers from 570 cities of the former USSR cooperate with "1C". More than 3000 teams in regions form the "1C:Franchising", which is the main channel of value-adding for "1C" products. Service-partners provide regular informational and technological support for the users of "1C" software. The network of more than 1200 authorized training centers is also important. The franchising chain of 280 "1C:Multimedia" software shops specializes in sales of home products.
"1C" is the official distributor of such world-famous vendors as Microsoft, Novell, Symantec, Borland as well as Russian companies: ProMT, ABBYY, INEC, Kaspersky Lab, Cognitive Technologies, Nikita, Buka, Russobit-M and 60 other domestic software vendors. "1C" offers over 5000 titles of software for office and home
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Beginning to see any light yet? lol
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Originally posted by Jackal1
:D
Yea, and it will surface again......... very shortly. lol
As far as that goes UBI does not actualy own UBI. :D
You got any idea how big of bed partners EA and AOL are? Ever wonder why?
Just surface names for the public eye and for shelter.
And it is also not Maddox games anymore, but instead 1C:Maddox after the joining of Maddox and 1C company in `99. :D
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Beginning to see any light yet? lol
When I hear or see these three letters "AOL" I can only think in 4-letter words. And if this name surfices during the discussion about the threatened flight sim I am 100% sure that the UBIsoft and Maddox are under the heavy enemy fire and their IL2 may be headed to the hard crash landing.
Instead of idiotic name "America On Line" they should use the better becoming "America On Steroids". That's who they are from their first big step in ISP business, and such a name would be very appropriate today for their marketing purposes.