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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Waffle on December 22, 2004, 07:53:01 PM
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banning Christams carols?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6745305/
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I could see where jewish or muslim kids could have a problem singing "christian" carols. Why not have inclusive holiday programs like the one school mentioned did? Seems like a logical solution to me.
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why not have them NOT PARTICIPATE?!?!?!
it is fargin CHRISTmas.....
let them do hanukkah or whatever.
if they want a "holiday celebration" tough cht. blacks got kwanza, jewish have hanukkah, whatever, but let them celebrate SEPERATLY like that WANT with their different holiday.
they dont want CHRISTmas dont let themhave it.
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I recall,
When I was in Elementary School, (Mid Eighties) we would sing all types of Songs, From Spin the Driedel, to Silent Night.
Of course back then, There was no such thing as Kwanzza, Well there was, but Truthfully I dont recall hearing about Kwanzza till the Mid Nineties.
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It's better (to me at least) to have an "all inclusive" holliday celebration that it is to bann the whole thing all together.
For those that are offended by the hollidays DONT GO!
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Guns, unfortunately there is a segment of the population that wants "Christian" celebrations only. Anything else is just a bunch of "hooey".
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So now we're the land of the 3 , instead of the land of the free
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ooooooooh, what's Kwanzza?
i want to play.
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Euro PC BS
There is nothing wrong with kids celebrating Christmas at school in a christian country, even in a multi cultural society.
And if it offends a few immigrants then they can bugger off back to the third world hovels they came from.
Excel
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Originally posted by GScholz
The school is a place for learning, not praying etc. I understand that there is a tradition in western Christian societies to celebrate Christmas at school, however in a multi-cultural society it is not right. The children and their parents should practise and celebrate their religion in private or at religious institutions (like church), and leave the schools for education alone.
What a totally handsomehunk post, obviously you have never gone to any educational INstitute other than grade school. If you had gone to one and had "Mid Terms" and "Finals" you would have expierenced the power of prayers.
Hence your post definatly displays your uneducational norrow mindlessness.
:rolleyes:
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In a way, this is good. The sillier the public schools (and their defenders) get.... the sooner we will have people demanding a voucher system and the sooner we will have education actually teaching our kids something.
lazs
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Originally posted by Excel1
Euro PC BS
There is nothing wrong with kids celebrating Christmas at school in a christian country, even in a multi cultural society.
And if it offends a few immigrants then they can bugger off back to the third world hovels they came from.
Excel
:aok
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Originally posted by Excel1
Euro PC BS
There is nothing wrong with kids celebrating Christmas at school in a christian country, even in a multi cultural society.
And if it offends a few immigrants then they can bugger off back to the third world hovels they came from.
Excel
:aok :aok
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Originally posted by Excel1
Euro PC BS
There is nothing wrong with kids celebrating Christmas at school in a christian country, even in a multi cultural society.
And if it offends a few immigrants then they can bugger off back to the third world hovels they came from.
Excel
Would you be so kind and name me some of the Christian countries, where people think like you ?
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Originally posted by AWMac
What a totally handsomehunk post, obviously you have never gone to any educational INstitute other than grade school. If you had gone to one and had "Mid Terms" and "Finals" you would have expierenced the power of prayers.
Hence your post definatly displays your uneducational norrow mindlessness.
:rolleyes:
:rofl
i finaly got yourt point.... ppl who doesnt pray are stupid and they dont have any knowledge right ?
or it was some HC irony ? :)
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lada... would you be so kind as to name any country where people think like you?
iran?
lazs
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Originally posted by lada
:rofl
i finaly got yourt point.... ppl who doesnt pray are stupid and they dont have any knowledge right ?
or it was some HC irony ? :)
Just pointing out that some pray in school and it comes naturally regardless what others think. But to absolutely ban prayer in school will never happen. period.
Now lets get back on topic.....
I remember in grade school we sang Christmas Carols and no one was offended.
:)
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i was offended. but mostly because they made me sing.
it wasnt until later that these pipes turned gold.
so wont you FLllyyyyyyyyyyyyYyyyyyyy
FrRRRrrrrRRRrRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE EEE
BIIIIiiiiiiiIIIIIIIID!
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Originally posted by Nefarious
I recall,
When I was in Elementary School, (Mid Eighties) we would sing all types of Songs, From Spin the Driedel, to Silent Night.
Of course back then, There was no such thing as Kwanzza, Well there was, but Truthfully I dont recall hearing about Kwanzza till the Mid Nineties.
There STILL isnt any such thing as Kwanzza. Its a BOGUS holiday invented by a criminal radical militant.
I dont see any reason why ANYONE woud even want to align themselves with such a peice of garbage.
But back when I was in school we sang a bunch of different things also.
My 8 year old daughters school has what I think is the right idea.
Everyone is asked to bring something in and write something about what it is they celabrate,why and how.
This IMO is the right way to go. Instead of excluding religeon and christianity in particular which seems to be the primary target.
We should be celibrating our religeous diversity.
And Christmas is primarily about Christ it is for everyone.
I know Jews that put up Christmas lights not to celibrate the birth of Christ but simply because they look so darn pretty.
I know many people From india who while they dont celibrate Christ, they do keep the tradition of Santa. and gift giving
They think this is a GREAT idea and always say "merry christmas"
Interestingly enough I had several Muslims even wish me a Merry Christmas over the last few days
Funny thing is many of these people are more Christianlike then many Christians I know.
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Amen to that Drediock!
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Originally posted by AWMac
Just pointing out that some pray in school and it comes naturally regardless what others think. But to absolutely ban prayer in school will never happen. period.
:)
They cant. Nor can they legally ban religious symbols
Because that WOULD be unconstitutional. Both in letter and original intent of the writing thereof.
Unlike this ban on schools celebrating Christmas which has taken the letter and the intent and twisted it to something it was never supposed to be. They cant. Nor can they legally ban religious symbols
Because that WOULD be unconstitutional. Both in letter and original intent of the writing thereof.
Unlike this ban on schools celebrating Christmas which has taken the letter and the intent and twisted it to something it was never supposed to be.
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They have put a spin on "Separation of Church and State".
Their inturpretation was not the intent of the Founding Fathers of the Constitution.
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What...ban Christmas carols? What is next, Christmas concerts?
Sorry, but if you emigrate out of your "home" country you should not complain about the traditions and celebrations of your "host".
My youngest biy has sat and watched the videos of his Christmas concert hundreds of times. he is very proud of himself for singing and being involved. My oldest...same thing.
Here's a taste:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/257_1103758058_smallsamxmasconcert005.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/257_1103758087_smallsamxmasconcert037.jpg)
Take this away from the kids? I don't THINK so.
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I agree with you Curval!!!
Can't imagine taking Christmas from the children. It just wouldn't be right.
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there are probably more actual "prayers" on commercial airplanes than there are in public schools.
"god, if you get me back on the ground i promise that ill never...."
i dont think that i had much of a concept of what a god might have been like in the 6th grade...other than that the creator seemed to side with my parents more often than with myself.
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i have a tendancy to think that matters of spirituality are best left to either private institutions where a specific message can be bought and paid for or to the home arena where parents can lead thier children on the path that they choose...im not much for public brainwashing.
but then, im not really "offended" at the idea of singing christmas carols at schools either. i did.
there were other things that did far worse damage.
in areas where there is not a great deal of diversity...communities of christians for example it seems to be thier perogative both to defend thier right to be secular and to resist change to thier ways...yet it is difficult to justify any forseeable growth in thier doctrine without adjustments.
what is really happening is that society is seeking standardization and hemogeny... thus, all sorts of voices chiming in at the national level (where the standard is being set) wanting to get a seat at the negotiating table on how a pagean holiday turned breakaway judaistic cult turned catholic expansionist missionary inquest turned sexy protestant divorce factory, turned commercial lemming spend fest is going to be celebrated next year.
standardization. average faith for the average people.
merry McChristmas. you want fries with that?
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Originally posted by AWMac
I remember in grade school we sang Christmas Carols and no one was offended.
:)
Christmas were a good oportunity, to hijack theme during the lessons at school. However non of us did realy care why do we have sutch "celebrations". We didnt speak about electronics and thats what we counted :D
pray or not to pray lol i never ever reconized somebody who pray at school....
ummm but we have secular goverment ;)
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sundancing for me thanks.
;)
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Why can't people understand the true meaning of christmas.....double time and a half!!!!!
< and Toys r US >
Tronsky
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Originally posted by lada
Would you be so kind and name me some of the Christian countries, where people think like you ?
To answer your question.
If you want to know what people of other christian countries think about having politicaly correct nonsense rammed down their throats by socialists and joyless control freaks you will have to ask them yourself. I can't speak for them. But I'm willing to bet that there is plenty of people that detest the pc disease and those that propagate it, as much as I do.
Excel
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Obviously GSchitz has no idea what it is like to be an AMERICAN!
Until you live it, you'll NEVAR understand it!
Let Freedom Ring!
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Gunther Schitz (pron: Gyn-ter Shee-tz)
:D
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(http://img84.exs.cx/img84/19/sahnta.jpg)
(http://img88.exs.cx/img88/9371/christmascard3.jpg)
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Just to clear the air in here... I've worked with a few Israeli's in the Army doing Recon crap...I have nothing but respect for them and I know they'd laff at this.
So instead of flaming in here, call your Mother, you nevar call, why you nevar call? I could be dead and still you'd nevar call...
:p
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Originally posted by GScholz
No Lasz, I think they pray in school in Iran.
In Iran they have special rooms for praying.
They have break for praying as well.
But nobody cares if you go to pray or not. Its simply your private thing.
At least it was like this 9 days ago when i were leaving Persia :)
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Originally posted by lazs2
lada... would you be so kind as to name any country where people think like you?
iran?
lazs
Czech republic.
Come here, you can go and buy beer, drink it on the street, go and swim nude in the river.....
then you can have a chat with some other americans who live in our free country.
And if you will have luck, you can go and drink coffie with some terrorist.
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Travelling, resting.... :)
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exactly... thats reason why i was there 1 month last year and 1 month this year...
But what realy sux is the fact, that last year i skip Bam and this year there is no Bam :/
pitty that i can attach pictures i could show you some reasons to go there again :D
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A friend of mine went to Prague last month. I "did" get to see the pics from that trip!!!! He is now thinking about moving there. Can't say I blame him.:aok
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Originally posted by lada
...who live in our free country.
You can thank Ronald Reagan.
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lada.. I don't drink. can I have firearms there?
lazs
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and... how much is gasoline a gallon over there and...
Didn't you guys have some really bad periods in your history where everything was really really really crappy for everyone for really long periods of time? What is stopping that from happening again? nude swimming or the beer thing?
lazs
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Solution: Voluntary participation, or let them sing in an organized group. God I hate our society. (uh-oh, can I say God on the forum?)
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The funny thing is Christmas isn't really tied to religion anymore anyway.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by Gonzo
Solution: Voluntary participation, or let them sing in an organized group. God I hate our society. (uh-oh, can I say God on the forum?)
it is voluntary participation, if the kids dont want to sing then they dont, in any class above grade 2, you will be lucky to find more than 8 people actually singing...
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My wife teaches piano to a small group of students. The father of two of them immigrated from Iran about twenty years ago. He married an American girl, and allows his children to attend her Methodist church.
His children and the other students play a variety of Christmas carols, some secular, others Christian, at the annual Christmas recital. This man attends the concerts and never voices any criticism of the musical selections being played. He simply sits there and beams while his chidlren perform.
Some Muslim acquaintances of mine have told me that some Muslims in less radical Islamic countries have begun to decorate their homes during the Christmas holidays. This in no way indicates that they have adopted Christian beliefs. It simply means that they enjoy the colorful festivities and joy of the holiday.
It must be a terrible thing to live a life so fearful of how local traditions may be "perceived" by others, that these very traditions are performed only behind closed doors. Why not celebrate the diversity that we hear so many sanctimonious social reformers prattling about these days?
To those that have these concerns, I would simply say this; Remember, participation is voluntary. If someone at school attempts to force your children to participate...well...isn't it wonderful to live in a country where legal recourse is as close as a phone call away?
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Originally posted by GScholz
No thank God!
Think its safe to say for a large group of Americans
the Feeling is mutual
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Some Muslim acquaintances of mine have told me that some Muslims in less radical Islamic countries have begun to decorate their homes during the Christmas holidays. This in no way indicates that they have adopted Christian beliefs. It simply means that they enjoy the colorful festivities and joy of the holiday.
It must be a terrible thing to live a life so fearful of how local traditions may be "perceived" by others, that these very traditions are performed only behind closed doors. Why not celebrate the diversity that we hear so many sanctimonious social reformers prattling about these days?
Im not quite sure whitch country do you consider "radical islamic" but here is site of iranian news agency
http://www.irna.ir/
Picture has been created by some iranian artist, for iranian who celebrate christmas.
Just for your information, there are several thousands (100.000 i think) christians in Iran, mostly with Armenian roots. So basicaly, if you think, that Christmass are tabu in islamic countries, you should realy take your passport and take 3 months tour around ME. May be you will be impressed in little cafeteria in the middle of the desert, where you can have a cup of coffie or tie, with muslim, while owner of the shop is Jewish and young waiter is christian.
Yes im for crosscelebrating as well.. it could be rock... at February we could celebrate chinese new year. During the autunm we could celebrate ramadan and at December we could celebrate Christmass...... :cool:
It must be a terrible thing to live a life so fearful of how local traditions may be "perceived" by others
Its realy terrible to hear sutch trough/sci-fi about countries, that you never visit. Its realy sad if you belive it.
Did i already tell you, that i meet 1 american boy in Teheran this year.... :D