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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: NUKE on December 23, 2004, 09:08:37 PM
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I was browsing for Az real estate and came across this thing on ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12605&item=4331644031&rd=1
24 magnificent rooms
Room for a sit down dinner for 300
Lifetime rights to the internationally acclaimed Canyon Ranch Spa down the road
2000 square foot staff quarters on two levels
Hidden stairwell that leads to a private 600-square-foot sun deck
Elevators on both the east and west wings
Wine cellar with capacity for 2200 bottles
Ultra-high tech communications system allows for crystal clear, internal communication
GPS system automatically triggers inside lighting and motion sensors trigger outside lights
Swimming pool and spa
Guest level with three bedrooms and three full baths
Six fireplaces -- some appear to be "suspended in mid-air"
A fully equipped state of the art workshop
Olympic sized underground gun and archery range
Mesh and invisible fence technology keep desert critters out
350 square foot hobby dark room
Fully shaded two-car detailing center
6 car garage with state of the art car wash
Tennis court blasted into 20 feet of solid stone provides a natural windbreak
Fire sprinklers located in all rooms of the house
State of the art generator has ample capacity during power outages
Stainless steel roof -- the first of its kind in the United States -- designed
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Because of what I do, this type of house is my target market. I visit them all the time. Currently, I have a 30 million dollar remodel under contract, and several homes in San antonio in the 20 million range. I also visited Dell's house while it was under construction; it is taxed at 110 million, actual cost closer to 200 mil.
We won't even talk about the compounds I have visited in the Aspen area.
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Of all that crap I didn't see ONE mention of a nice BBQ or a Wet bar. :confused:
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:eek: :eek:
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Gunslinger, trust me, they have multiple of both. Some of the things are just outrageous. Full movie theaters, bowling alleys, indoor swimming pools and his and hers walk in closets larger than most peoples houses.
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Originally posted by Lizking
Gunslinger, trust me, they have multiple of both. Some of the things are just outrageous. Full movie theaters, bowling alleys, indoor swimming pools and his and hers walk in closets larger than most peoples houses.
yea but no matter how well you design a house the outlets are almost allways in the wrong place
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Of all that crap I didn't see ONE mention of a nice BBQ or a Wet bar. :confused:
Well, there's only so much stuff you can fit into a 31,000 square foot house. :D
This one only had three indoor theaters, lol.
Did any of you guys go to the add an look at the pics? Beautiful place.
I'd think you are getting a lot for the 13 million.
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And this is why modern day architects are just as bad as lawyers.
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Aha, so what? Main question is always:
Why is the previous owner selling?
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I think it's a new house.
I just stumbled onto it on ebay yesterday and thought it was interesting, that's all.
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i think the real question is , how can anyone justify this extravagence when people in the world are starving.
The first world markets are a discrace to human rights and a totaly disgusting example of the main problem with our race.
other than that, i'd love to live there... :D
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What a waste of money. A nice large home is one thing but thats a little over the top. Does anybody who builds that big actually know what they're getting into? Didnt MC Hammer spend like 20-30 million on his home just before he went belly up?
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But MC Hammer was a moron and built his house in the middle of the slums.
At 13.5 million, this house probably is a good buy for what you get. It's in a popular area.
It is over the top, but I wouldn't mind living in it :D
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Hey , I just had an idea.
If we could get 2000 people from AH to pitch in, we could buy the place for about 6500.00 each and use it as a party/torture pad during Kwanza.
We could also host the con there.
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For some reason I was thinking they were asking 30 mill for this place. Take a tour of it nuke, it might be what you're looking for.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
And this is why modern day architects are just as bad as lawyers.
LOL, says the engineer in training.
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Originally posted by Lizking
Because of what I do, this type of house is my target market. I visit them all the time. Currently, I have a 30 million dollar remodel under contract, and several homes in San antonio in the 20 million range. I also visited Dell's house while it was under construction; it is taxed at 110 million, actual cost closer to 200 mil.
We won't even talk about the compounds I have visited in the Aspen area.
Your in the market for 30 million dollar houses??? Yet you waste time on a BBS and playing a antiquated looking online game? F*** that I'd have a million dollar house a 9,000 foot runway and practice touch in goes in my F4 Phantom or fly my B722 to John's place for lunch.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by NUKE
Hey , I just had an idea.
If we could get 2000 people from AH to pitch in, we could buy the place for about 6500.00 each and use it as a party/torture pad during Kwanza.
We could also host the con there.
can you imagine what the back patio BBQ would be like?
"you tard you're burning them"
"your an idiot for doing it that way"
"how do you smoke this?"
"we should post some pics for PETA"
Then move out to the pool:
"I've seen bigger"
"this water isnt chlorinated properly"
"its too cold"
"its too hot"
"only tards swim with nose plugs"
"WTF is Funked doing in that spedo?"
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No Gixer, that is my target market for the product I sell. On the 30 million remod, the doors for the Garden Shed are 28,000 bucks. When they get to the actual vehicle garages, it will be another 80 big for the doors (8 doors).
Your average nice garage door is about 1500 bucks.
That is the kind of money these guys spend. Rip has carpet on his garage floor; these guys have Italian tile, lifts and carwashes.
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Architectural Engineering. I get to work with architects and engineers...
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Me too, I'll take beers with the Architects, and specs from the engineers.
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That reminds me of what my Dad always said about the two:
Engineers use rulers, Architects don't.
Can you guess what he was?
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28 grand for shed doors? Holy christwagons...
These people are not only rich, but exceptionally retarded.
Kinda sick, actually....
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Lets not forget, its in the middle of a desert, far from the ocean, and surrounded by illegal immigrants. Enjoy!
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Originally posted by Nash
28 grand for shed doors? Holy christwagons...
These people are not only rich, but exceptionally retarded.
Kinda sick, actually....
Another well constructed reply from NashHole.
Show us something in CanaDUH...
:D
*pssst it'll be a freekin log cabin or a delapidated IgFreekinGloo...*
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See, Nash, you do not understand the concept, but some pople want the best. The Real Thing, not linoleum or formica-they want wood and granite and craftsmanship.
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Originally posted by Lizking
See, Nash, you do not understand the concept, but some pople want the best. The Real Thing, not linoleum or formica-they want wood and granite and craftsmanship.
But most of all something better then the guy next door.
...-Gixer
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To store a lawnmower that they probably wouldn't even be able to identify? Prolly never even gonna see the shed doors.
Oh AWMac... what's yer angle dude? Can't figure it out.
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These guys don't care about the guy next door. The guys next door have just as much money. It is much more refined snobbery than that. They want the best, period, no matter if something else will do.
Well, Nash, you have to understand that their Garden Shed is not a 10x18 portable; the plans for it alone are about the same as for a Walgreens or a post office. But to answer your question, I doubt the owners will ever see those doors.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
Lets not forget, its in the middle of a desert, far from the ocean, and surrounded by illegal immigrants. Enjoy!
lol, Arizona is probably one of the top couple of places to live in the entire US.
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Originally posted by AWMac
Another well constructed reply from NashHole.
Show us something in CanaDUH...
:D
*pssst it'll be a freekin log cabin or a delapidated IgFreekinGloo...*
Sorry AWMac, but you should lay off Nash.....you gots the wrong idea about him.
He's a good guy....as almost everyone on this BB is.
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Went into a jewlery store a few days ago with my brother. He bought a watch for his wife ($4,200). Looking around... I saw the most useless crap. Lelieca glass objects and tacky porcelein miniature statues or whatever. Necklaces, bracelets, Mont Blanc pens. You name it. Came to the conclusion that there is an entire sort of industry geared towards making it possible to spend absurd amounts of money on... well, useless stuff.
I mean... having that kind of money wouldn't be worth it if there was no way you could spend it. So folks figure out a way for them to... et voila! $28,000 shed doors.
Anyways... gotta run. Merry Christmas or whatever brand of holiday you've signed up for! Have a good one - Cheers!
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I think it is a matter of materialism but there's also something else. Even for lesser than well off people there's a pride in owning something well crafted or at least hand made. $4200 for a watch is WAY TOO MUCH for me, the last expensive watch I had was $128 and it broke when I dropped it (had to take if off because of the stupid metal detector were I worked).
Either way a house like this is wishfull thinking for most.
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It is certainly materialism, but some is simply because of who they are and what they do. One of those Aspen compounds, for instance, required a BG check just to visit the site. It was a residence, but in reality, it was a hotel and confrence center for the owner and his guests to conduct business. That is what Dell's home is as well.
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lol, Arizona is probably one of the top couple of places to live in the entire US.
For who? Certainly not me, I enjoy gardening, scuba diving, fishing, and being outside during the day. There is a reason the majority of the World's population lives within 50 miles of the coast.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
For who? Certainly not me, I enjoy gardening, scuba diving, fishing, and being outside during the day. There is a reason the majority of the World's population lives within 50 miles of the coast.
LOL.
Ignorance is bliss I guess.
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Hows your rock garden doing Nuke?
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Originally posted by SunTracker
Hows your rock garden doing Nuke?
???
You seem ignortant. That not a bad thing though...we need to limit people who are swarming into Arizona.
Arizona has quite a bit of agriculture and a very diverse terrain.
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I happend to love my time in Arizona.
There is limited duty stations in the Marine Corps and I just happend to get a little town that I've never heard of Yuma, AZ.
When I got their I learned (eventually) why it was called the Best Kept Secret in the Corps.
The people there don't despise having a military base nearby and don't try and take advantage of young servicemen. Arizona weather was great about 9 months out of the year. Yuma itself was cool because you were 15 minutes from a cool mexico border town, 3.5 hours from lake havasu, 3 hours from phoenix, 3 hours from San Diego, 5 hours from Vegas. If you ever wanted to remind yourself why you hate big cities they're not that far away.
The people in Arizon for the most part were very hospitable. The woman sometimes were a little psyco but I think that's every were you go.
I was reminded recently of one of my favorite things about living in the desert........the sunrises. They are stunning!
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(http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/images/john25.jpg)
Picture of the natural Arizona landscape, as taken from Google.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
(http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/images/john25.jpg)
Picture of the natural Arizona landscape, as taken from Google.
Pave the rode and it really isn't much different!
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Originally posted by SunTracker
(http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/images/john25.jpg)
Picture of the natural Arizona landscape, as taken from Google.
now you look really stupid.
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I think I understand how some people think this sorta thing is a big waste of money, and that the money could go a long way towards feeding the hungry and clothing the poor, etc... But think of this: whoever the guy is that's buying this house has prolly made other people rich along with his own success, and provided many jobs. Some people would prolly feel guilty being that well-off, but I think you should never apologize for your success, assuming it was legitimate. Sorry if I seem to be hijacking the thread. Don't mean to.
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I remember distinctly when I went for a walk in Arizona a while back, the red jewels that were scattered in the sand off of one abandoned Gold mine. It was a very pretty place. But it just can't replace the memories I have of the hills of PA.
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13 million is not enough to make someone forget they live in Tucson.
I'd take an old well crafted victorian over that any day.
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Gee and only 13 mil
I think I can cover that with the money form my loose change jar.
LOL NOT
Disgusting.
Nobody deserves to live that well LOL
Must be nice
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Wht kind of commie crap is that? Everyone deserves to live as well as they can. Don't be jealous, be determined, if that is what you want out of life.
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Originally posted by Lizking
Wht kind of commie crap is that?
Haha, R-E-L-A-X.
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Originally posted by slimm50
I think I understand how some people think this sorta thing is a big waste of money, and that the money could go a long way towards feeding the hungry and clothing the poor, etc... But think of this: whoever the guy is that's buying this house has prolly made other people rich along with his own success, and provided many jobs. Some people would prolly feel guilty being that well-off, but I think you should never apologize for your success, assuming it was legitimate. Sorry if I seem to be hijacking the thread. Don't mean to.
How many people he made rich. also how may people he ruined or screwed over in the proccess.
Sorry to be cynical but it just seems alot of times the people who aquire that kind of wealth always seem to be the people who least deserve it as humans.
There are some . Lucky ones.
But those are few in comparison.
Least it seems so in my experiances.
I know I'll never get there. Seems Im too honest and prefer to give people a fair shake, a fair deal.
Problem there is when I'm fair with people I never seem to get anywhere
The only times I seem to REALLY make out is when I've turned the screws on people. Then I just didnt feel right afterwards.
So I'll probably never have that kind of wealth.
But I am very wealthy in other ways.
Ways that no amount of money can buy.
Two superfantastic kids.
A very small buisness that is MINE all mine. No timeclocks or bosses BS to put up with.
The self pride that comes with a clean conscience and knowing I am VERY VERY good at what I do
thats enough.
Sorry for venting
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I don't care how many surveillance cameras that place has, it looks to be out in the boonies. Have fun with the target practice, new owner :)
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Big houses and stuff is not just 'pointless luxury', its an investment.
Its a property that can be bought or built and later on (decades even) be sold for the same amount (or close to it) or even for profit.
Just like paintings, jewels, etc. And the more flamboyant (advertise power) they are the better the price.
and... if you invest ...why not live in it and enjoy it anyway?
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Nice place, but this is what I'm setting my heart on....
http://www.silohome.com/index.htm
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
How many people he made rich. also how may people he ruined or screwed over in the proccess.
Sorry to be cynical but it just seems alot of times the people who aquire that kind of wealth always seem to be the people who least deserve it as humans.
There are some . Lucky ones.
But those are few in comparison.
Least it seems so in my experiances.
I know I'll never get there. Seems Im too honest and prefer to give people a fair shake, a fair deal.
Problem there is when I'm fair with people I never seem to get anywhere
The only times I seem to REALLY make out is when I've turned the screws on people. Then I just didnt feel right afterwards.
So I'll probably never have that kind of wealth.
But I am very wealthy in other ways.
Ways that no amount of money can buy.
that is pretty much how it works.
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Originally posted by mosgood
Nice place, but this is what I'm setting my heart on....
http://www.silohome.com/index.htm
Now that's a cool idea.
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Nice house, but I prefer my own by the ocean. Big enough too, I dont need a map and a ton of stangers going through my porn when they clean it.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
And this is why modern day architects are just as bad as lawyers.
Laser I dont mean this as an insult but what year are you into school. Because the way you talk I dont think you have a real good grasp on what your actually going to school for. I also have a degree in Architectural Engineering and trust me you are going to school to become an architect not an engineer. The only difference is that your education is more well rounded. But for you to be bashing architects is absurd.
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Originally posted by RTStuka
Laser I dont mean this as an insult but what year are you into school. Because the way you talk I dont think you have a real good grasp on what your actually going to school for. I also have a degree in Architectural Engineering and trust me you are going to school to become an architect not an engineer. The only difference is that your education is more well rounded. But for you to be bashing architects is absurd.
Can you explain to me why they keep insisting on designing buildings with flat roofs?
They ALL leak. All of them.
Least I've never seen one that didnt. And usually within the first 5 years
Even ones with a slight pitch would be better then the totally flat ones that keep getting put up.
I understand that in office buildings there are mechanical units that need to be mounted on the roof but they could just as easily be mounted on a metal grate platform that would allow water to pass through
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I think you're talking about the boxes.
Some buildings that you see are buildings. And some buildings are just the boxes that the other buildings came in.
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Actually, in the desert, flat roofs are fine. It is only when you move the design to areas not suited for it do you see leaks.
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Originally posted by Lizking
Actually, in the desert, flat roofs are fine. It is only when you move the design to areas not suited for it do you see leaks.
Which is about 90% of all office buildings LOL
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Commercial systems for flat roofs are pretty good, but they are also expensive. even a residential one can be done right, but what usually happens is that they are cut up designs, piss poor planned penetrations, and the main one: they do not allow for rapid enough drainage.
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BTW architects arent as bad as lawyers.
But they are as bad as many engineers.
Be it machinerey or buildings
Oh everything fits fine I'll hand em that.
Cant maintain em worth a damn without major headaches once they're built.
But everything fits just fine
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Every architect, as well as every engineer, should be required to work in the field, building things, for at least a year, preferably 2 before they are licensed. That would solve a lot of problems for builders and owners.
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Originally posted by Lizking
Commercial systems for flat roofs are pretty good, but they are also expensive. even a residential one can be done right, but what usually happens is that they are cut up designs, piss poor planned penetrations, and the main one: they do not allow for rapid enough drainage.
No disrespect
I've seen dozens and dozens of commercial office buildings with flat roofs.
I have yet to see one that doesnt leak
I could take you to one in particular at a hospital I used to work at that I know for fact has been totally replaced at LEAST 6 times by several different contractors in the time I was there.
Walked past the area 3 weeks ago while visiting my father in law and saw the telltale signs of sagging waterstained sheetrock and standard trash cans in place for catching the water.
I am also confident that with a simple phonecall I can confirm the existance of at least 6 other leaks in the same hospital and its assorted offsite buildings.
Interestingly enough there are two areas that never leak.
Those areas are in a part of the building that is over 80 years old.
Both with pitched roofs
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Originally posted by Lizking
Every architect, as well as every engineer, should be required to work in the field, building things, for at least a year, preferably 2 before they are licensed. That would solve a lot of problems for builders and owners.
I am in 110 % agreement.
Might get em out of that Rube Goldberg mode they all seem to be stuck in LOL
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I have seen plenty that leak, but the problems are in the detailing not the fact that it is a flat roof.
Take your typical box store, a Walmart or a Home Depot. 60,000 to 120,000 sqft of flat bellybutton roof and leaks are unacceptable. Skylights just leak, period.
Now the flip side of that, is a typical residence or "architectural" commercial structure. The roof is not a big flat square, it is cut up into smaller areas. The corners and penetrations increase in both number and complexity. So do the leaks.
All that said, water penetration into the walls is a given, and should be planned for in the design. This is where it becomes a problem, when you have an iffy roofing system and a poorly designed wall section.
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Here is a perfectly acceptable wall section for a flat roof building. The only change I would require is weeps to be 8" OC, spaced to the cores.
http://www.na.graceconstruction.com/template.cfm?page=/masonry/dwgs_sw_6.html&did=27
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one of the funniest things I've ever seen was on the same hospital there was a drain that had its opening a full 3 inches higher then the roof was which ment the water had to be over 3 inches deep before anything would drain off of it
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Don't get me started. The things I have seen.....
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Lizking, do you still manage the hardware store too?
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Nope, it hsa been reset and everything is smooth. Brother Mark is running it.