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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: o0Stream140o on December 23, 2004, 10:01:58 PM
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I was just wondering what the protocol, on duplicate squads? I see that there is now a 325th "Checker Tail" sqaudron in MA. I am not happy with this. I have been a 325th FG "Checkertail Clan" for 3 years and have had my squad in MA for at least 2 of those years...
Stream14
325th VFG
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Just my opinion but no one here holds any rights to any of the real squadrons in WWII. If 20 squads wanted to fly under a real squadron from that era it's their right to do so. They may want to pay their respect to those folks too and to tell them they can't is just plain selfish.
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there ya go Stream14, you can name your squad the
412th Fighter Squadron brauncomustangs
go fer it dude! Cobra said it was ok :D
does anybody hold a right to any squad name? regardless if the squad is named after a real life squad or a make believe flight sim squad?
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Ummm..no
Its only rude to create a squadron thats already represented in the MA if you make your name too similar to the existing squadron. The idea that there are others who may want to be based on or associated with a particular squadron is NOT the same thing. I however find those two names similar but by no means delibrately confusing.
One of the issues here is that of personal prefrance. There are NUMEROUS squadrons based on the flying tigers....Im in one called TIGER SQUADRON...there are also
The Flying Tigers
45th Flying Tigers
Flying Tigers
The Flying Tigers AVG
Only my suqadron and the AVG have significant membership, but its still accepted that we all co-exists. I feel that THE flying tigers and Flying Tigers is too similar...but so far no big deal.
Its the same with those who find their favorite cpid taken and make a confusing variation (ie: OZONE and 0ZONE and 0Z0NE)
SO its nice to have a 100% unique squadron....but its not a right.....but I do beleive in the importance of keeping squad names different enough to easily tell them appart
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It's just bad form to create a squadron that already exists in the game.
ack-ack
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I think it's bad form as well. If you want to be apart of a certain real squadron, you should at least check out the existing squad first. If it's not to your liking you could at least discuss it with the existing CO and find a solution that makes everyone happy. As for the 325th Checkertail Clan, you would be hard pressed to find a better historically accurate squad. It even has REAL Checkertails discussing things like real aircraft performance, trianing and tactics in there forums, and many of the squads members have gone on to meet with them face to face which as far as I know is the only squad in the game I've seen be able to do that. I think if you want to show respect and learn more about a real squad then you should at least check with the existing squad first, they might surprise you.:aok
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I am not so sure its a Biggie really..............
a trifle inpolite may be but more often just ignorance that the name is already in use............ infact copying actual WWII unit names is equally inpolite...... I wonder how many actually asked those units if they could bear such honoured names in a game/sim ............. smells of "wannabeism" to me.
The squad I am in was formed in 96 in AW two other squads of the same name were since formed in WB and one has since moved over here too.
We do not have a problem with this.
Infact its kinda cool and as we both fly for Bish its nice to help each other out.
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TC obviously you don't know your history. There is no such thing as the 412th Braunco Mustangs in WWII. Oh and TC I'd think trying to take a fictional squads name is a bit more lame then a real squadrons name. Just means you lack any imagination.
Stream as you can see though TC feels the same as I do.
does anybody hold a right to any squad name? regardless if the squad is named after a real life squad or a make believe flight sim squad?
Alf so I guess maybe one of you should change your squad name. Who exactly has the rights to the name though? We'd have to be sure that the squadron who best represents the original squadron carries the name. We'd also have to take into consideration that one squad may have more members than the others too. This is ofcourse what Stream is asking for. He must feel that his squadron is better and will represent the original squadron better than any other.
Only my suqadron and the AVG have significant membership, but its still accepted that we all co-exists. I feel that THE flying tigers and Flying Tigers is too similar...but so far no big deal
To sit here and try to lay claim to a historical squadron is pretty selfish as I said previously. Regardless if your buddy buddy with an original member you have no rights to the squadrons name. You can sit here and say "bad form" all day but who gave the CO some kind of rights to lay claim to the name? If you guys really gave a crap about the original squadron you'd be happy so many folks want to represent that squadron. Instead you sit here bickering about who should have the rights to the name. You guys seem to think you have some kind of right to something that isn't yours in the first place.
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Originally posted by Tilt
............ infact copying actual WWII unit names is equally inpolite...... I wonder how many actually asked those units if they could bear such honoured names in a game/sim ............. smells of "wannabeism" to me.
Over the life time of the 479th's life time as a virtual squadron, we've gotten nothing but good words from the surviving members of Riddle's Raiders. We've even received a thank you from a Tuskegee pilot that thanked us for keeping this part of history alive.
ack-ack
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^ what Ack-Ack said
and many squads do contact the Veteran Groups
The 367th Vet Group has the AH's 367th website link posted on thier site, and we have had some nice emails back and forth
Though nothing stops ya from doing it...Creating a squad that already exists in the game is in bad form IMO.
Maybe if they fly same side and team up that would be ok.
JMO..
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Question.... Is there a way to find ALL of the squad names in AH?
I've never found one (not that I looked that had).
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infact copying actual WWII unit names is equally inpolite...... I wonder how many actually asked those units if they could bear such honoured names in a game/sim ............. smells of "wannabeism" to me.
That is one of the most short minded statements I've seen in a long time on these BB.
And if you are going to put things that way. The exact same thing can be said for the La7 you fly and ever single other plane that is flown in this game. I mean men died in these planes. And here we are, playing a game based on instruments of war that men died in, gave their lives to their country in. Right? Wong...
Do you people think before you type something? Or just say the first mindless crap the pops up? Dont answer that, I already know.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Question.... Is there a way to find ALL of the squad names in AH?
I've never found one (not that I looked that had).
community, squad link. gives a list of active squads. but never seen one that lists all (current and past). unless HTC has an archive of them, I doubt it exists.
edit : I just looked at squad score page for tour 12. only 23 squads still active, the rest have been disbanded.
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Originally posted by streetstang
I mean men died in these planes. And here we are, playing a game based on instruments of war that men died in, gave their lives to their country in. Right? Wong...
Right!
Looking at replies above from folk taking them selves far too seriously............
what is more inpolite assuming the mantle of some hero/heroic squadron or copying the name of an existing AH squad?
thats the only point I was making. ...................and as I said its no biggie really
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bad form
takes away some identity from the squad's
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Originally posted by 68DevilM
bad form
takes away some identity from the squad's
absolutely correct 68Devil.
Any squad, whether made up like the 412 or based on a real WWII squad like the 325th shouldn't be copied.
Lambo
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Originally posted by lambo31
absolutely correct 68Devil.
Any squad, whether made up like the 412 or based on a real WWII squad like the 325th shouldn't be copied.
As Ive stated before its not good to have names so similar they are easily confused, however, there is no reason to assume that any one person who decides to create a squadron owns the rights to that squadron, especially when you choose to use one of the 10 most recognizable ones (Blacksheep, FLying Tigers, Checkertails etc)
If you want to have a completely unique squadron then make one up......
If you choose to base your squadron on a popular historical one then you must deal with the reality that your not the only person on the planet who may want to use that popular squadrons monicker and you have no particular right of exclusivity.
Good stories have multiple movies made about them.......should the very first film made about something be the only one ever allowed? Good squdrons will be duplicated, and so long as its clear they are seperate squadrons based on the same real squad....there is no reason to complain.
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I think there are a couple of questions here:
1) Is choosing the name of a historical squadron "wannabeism"? I personally think it a homage to the real people who risked and in many cases gave their lives for their country. Choosing a historical squadron name only helps to keep that unit's name and those deeds alive even as the survivors of those units fade into history. If this isn't part of what AH is about, then why do we worry so much about historical skins? Why don't we just fly bare metal? For that matter why do we spend so much time arguing about the modeling of the historic flight performance? Its because the historical aspect is important.
2) Where do we draw the line on duplicate squad names? This is the real issue here. It seems to me that the first group which chooses to use a numbered, historical squadron name in AH should have priority on that name as long as they remain active. This concept of first choice is very similar to what we use with call-signs. With literally hundreds of historical squadrons to choose from, it doesn't seem unreasonable to require unique numbered squadron names in AH. It's also a good way to make sure we don't wind up with ten squadrons all trying to emmulate a historical unit with minor spelling changes. That would be really confusing in places like SEA where changes to orders are often given by unit. With ToD coming down the pike, this is something that will need to be addressed sooner or later.
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Originally posted by Cobra412
TC obviously you don't know your history. There is no such thing as the 412th Braunco Mustangs in WWII. Oh and TC I'd think trying to take a fictional squads name is a bit more lame then a real squadrons name. Just means you lack any imagination.
Stream as you can see though TC feels the same as I do.
Cobra I never said your squad was real, or named after a real squad, your second part to me, where you think it is lame at taking a fictional squads name is what I was actually getting at, regardless if you are in or have a Squad named after real life squad or is a fictional named squad it is RUDE, LAME, Unsportsman like, and shows one has no ethics or morals if one decides to name their squad after another squad that already exist in the game, one should confront the squad and talk about it and come to a conclusion before out right taking on another squads name.......talking with in the game here of course
I did get the reaction I was looking for though, you said don't be selfish, then you said it was lame to name after another squad. My post was about both Real/Historical and Fictional names
now you know how I really feel about it!
oh and the Checkertails VFG is Virtual Fighter Group, so they are flying as a virtual squad in rememberance of the real squad, Stream maybe all of you can merge together, if all the Checkertail squads are for the same thing and get along with each other, then you can have the same identical squad name with no difference, just a thought
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TC so basically what your saying is your a troll that only tries to a rise out of someone? Who is it again that has no morals?
TC no morals or sportsmanship? You have to be kidding me with this statement. This game hasn't shown one ounce of either of these items since I started playing and I'd say 98% of the people playing it could give a rats arse about them either. Look at some of the individual names that are in the game or even some of the squad names that pop up. I'm not going to sit here and name them all off but just how do they fit into your moral standards? I'm sure your running to HTC screaming about how they are immoral and they should be changed.
How often do you see any kind of sportsmanship in the game? In your eyes I'm sure you'd think the 2, 3 , and 4 on 1 engagements that happen here are sportsman like. I'm sure when your on the side with that advantage you let your opponent exit the fight even after that person fought long and hard against overwhelming odds and their aircraft just can't do battle anymore. I can say without a doubt very few if anyone in this game has ever done such a thing. Why? Because as usual people here are selfish and think only of themselves or their squads. It's not about having sportsmanship it's about the kill, what it does for their ratings. and how many perk points they get for that run. Go preach sportsmanship and morals to some naive new person who may actually listen. They'll soon come to their own conclusion that there is no such thing in Aces High and become just like the other 98% of the AH population.
Warlover again it's not your name so you have no rights to it. It has nothing to do with how we choose our callsigns. SEA and TOD also have nothing to do with this. If the CO off the frame can't pay enough attention to detail to ensure the right squad gets the right orders then maybe they shouldn't be the CO in the first place. As it stands right now IIRC TOD will have nothing to do with each individual squad in Aces High. This may be something hard for some folks to understand but TOD isn't just about the individual and their individual MA squadrons. It's about how everyone in the missions do as a whole. It's not about waving your virtual squadron flag after you got a ton of kills at the expense of some other person or persons on your side. It's about putting your arse on the line and possibly taking one for the team in order to accomplish the mission objective even if it means you don't get your precious kills and get to wave your MA squadron flag. Hopefully HTC will leave individual squadrons out of TOD so people will start giving a crap about everyone on their side and not just their squad mates or close MA buds.
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Cobra, sportsmanship is there, although rare. You exhibited it to me by letting me land a pilot wounded craft. I believe I exhibited to you be trying to seperate ourselves from the melee to have an even engagement. I have saluted you for this.
Now the 3 and 4 on 1 engagements, although not necessarily sporting are not in bad form either. I have engaged multiple aircraft while solo too many times to count. I know more likely than not that I will die. It was my choice to engage to begin with. When I see one con being engaged by many, I usually sit back and ask my countryman if he is doing all right or needs help. If he says he is fine, I watch. If he says he needs help, I will jump in. I dont think it is not sporting, its just doing what needs to be done to save the countryman.
Muttman
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Man Cobra you're so darn sensitive!
Chill! Go shoot a lala! Makes you feel better!
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I'm not too worried about Squad Names, but I'll be danged if I'm sharing the with another Squad, especially one with obscene handles ;).
Inside joke about an old discussion the BadCats and Mares had in AWFR :). These things always smooth themselves out over time, it's only a game.
Cya Up!
Dawg
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Originally posted by Tilt
what is more inpolite assuming the mantle of some hero/heroic squadron or copying the name of an existing AH squad?
Copying the name of a squadron that already exists in the game would be.
How can it be inpolite to use a squadrons name if the surviving members of that unit think it is a good thing that we're keeping that part of their history alive and encourage us?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by o0Stream140o
I was just wondering what the protocol, on duplicate squads? I see that there is now a 325th "Checker Tail" sqaudron in MA. I am not happy with this. I have been a 325th FG "Checkertail Clan" for 3 years and have had my squad in MA for at least 2 of those years...
You should sue.
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Originally posted by Cobra412
BUNCH OF BULLCHIT
not listening dude!
you posted why should Stream14 care if another group wanted to name their squad the same, that he should not be selfish, then posted using a fictisious sqd name that already exist was Lame or Rude, a name is a name real or fictisious so I was pointing out you did not care and thought nothing of Stream14's squad name being duplicated, but when it came to your own squad name you got all uppity about it......
I never regarded my post toward morals or sportsmanship in reference to what happens "in the game" jackarse, and no I am no troll, I am TC.......
my morals , sportsmanship was in reference to using squad names.......
the biggest thing I see out of everything you post and have posted lately is that you are turning into a BIG WHINER!
you was much more a gentlemen a year ago and I find it sad that you have let others that fly in the game suck you down to their level of pitty!
an example of morals, ethics, sportsmanship: can be found in the training /help forum where Hajo let me go after I had fought of 4 or 5 planes( watch the film ), and you don't know what I do or how I treat others by 1st hand knowledge Cobra, so your false statements and thoughts opinions don't mean nadda!
with that said, Merry christmas and Hapy New Year Cobra, hope you don't let my thoughts get you all jacked out of shape any more than you already are!
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
How can it be inpolite to use a squadrons name if the surviving members of that unit think it is a good thing that we're keeping that part of their history alive and encourage us?
Given that some folks think you are honoring them (as you may be) then I think you are lucky they may encourage you.
However if you were a member of some famous organisation and I decided that its good name was one that I would like to use to identify me or my group in some game......and then just did it without reference to you.....might not my actions be somewhat inpolite.
and then given that some one else takes the same name in the same game ...............has the 2nd person been more inpolite to me than I was to you?
My view is that if I took the CPID JJohnson and called my squad the Tangmere Bunch I would be assuming alot and I would consider my self both presumptious and somewhat inpolite.
Just because someone does good by the original and honours them etc such that they gain encouragment....... it does not alter that this is all after the fact. This fact being that this mantle was just assumed regardless of any reference to the original.
Given all this it is very much a "norm" to take up such names in historic sims..... its no great insult.....quite often it may be solely to honour the original......quite often it may be wannabe 'ism......who can tell what is in the mind when original names are assumed.
And it may even be that some folk do ask or refer or already know "its OK"........its possible I suppose.
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Good for Hajo TC. So exactly where is it you demonstrated good sportsmanship? If Hajo let you go then I'd say Hajo showed good sportsmanship not the other way around. TC trust me there is nothing you or any other fool on here could say to bring me down or get me jacked out of shape.
Next time why don't you try sticking your fingers in your ears, run around in circles and scream I can't hear you over and over. :aok
Stream may be a good guy and frankly it's you who started throwing punches after I stated my opinion. If someone can't take constructive criticism then it's not my problem. I'll state it again as I did from the start. You are selfish to think you are the only person that has the right to carry a name of any WWII squadron or any squadron from this day and age. It's about time you guys stopped being such arrogant little children that don't want to share. It's not yours to lay claim to.
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was showing it existed , did not say I showed it, although you draw your on conclusions and say/type what only what you want to believe........
I am not upset , mad , ill or have any beef with you Cobra.
and I did mean it when I said Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you!
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No offense TC but because a few folks show it doesn't mean much. Only shows that persons character and doesn't speak for the community as a whole.
TC I'm not part of the 412th anymore. I stepped down for my own reasons. Nice try on bringing them into this though. Maybe I should go around reading every squads "rules" and then come in here and bash each individual. I'm sure I would have a huge list with alot of the "respectable" squads and their members on that list.
all I was trying to show is that taking another squads name regardless of the name being fictional or real matters to others that already has the same name in the game
So I guess your showing alot of class by trying to bait people and then trying to make fools of them just to prove your point?
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not at all, am not baiting anyone and really had no idea you was not with them, I will edit that out, I was not trying to bait you, even though it may look that way, I did try to show you ( thinking you was still in a certian squad) that it did matter when others come in and take a squads name as their own regardless of the history behind the sqd ( fake or real )
this issue has happened to both types of squads in the past, where a group from another flight sim came in and named their sqd after another squad of the same name was already here.....
and no sir, I was not trying to make anyone look like a fool, I did maybe take a little offense when you started to slam me with the I have no clue to history bit
no worries
Hey Cobra,
since you are without a squad, come fly along with me sometime and get to know me, outside of recent postings on this board and ingame, what I remember about you was the fights we had against each other long time ago in the CT which I very much enjoyed, back in 2002 or 2003, so maybe if we winged a few together we would each get to know a little more about the other person behind the gameid/screen name.........
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TC I've already been informed that I'm not welcome on the Knights side. I'm pretty sure I'm not welcome on the Bish side either.
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Hiya Cobra
I'd be happy to have ya on knights bro. Would be great to have a jug an stang mission together :)
I would miss shooting y'all down tho, stangs do make such good fodder for jugs, hehe :D
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Originally posted by Cobra412
TC I've already been informed that I'm not welcome on the Knights side. I'm pretty sure I'm not welcome on the Bish side either.
Dude... Come fly knights, more than welcome! Anyone gives you a hard time a simple and =) will work magic.
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Originally posted by Cobra412
TC I've already been informed that I'm not welcome on the Knights side. I'm pretty sure I'm not welcome on the Bish side either.
Screw the whiners, come fly with the Knitwits and hear Nomde rap and have me steal your kills.
ack-ack
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Regarding the thread starter...
That has been a common issue for some time when a historical squadron name is used. Often one of the duplicate squads will do something with their name to distinguish from the other. Sometimes a simple bracket character is enough to avoid cofusion "-={}=-". They can co-exist. Just look at all the squadrons over the years that have had "Tigers" in their name.
Cobra412
I understood TCs point made via sarcasm immediately. I doubt he wanted to bait you personally. Looks to me like many knights would welcome you, I certianly wouldnt mind seeing you as a knight.
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Originally posted by Murdr
Cobra412
I understood TCs point made via sarcasm immediately. I doubt he wanted to bait you personally. Looks to me like many knights would welcome you, I certianly wouldnt mind seeing you as a knight.
What Murdr said and just want to add that the 479th was also a P-51 squadron *hint*
ack-ack
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My 2cents.
I think in this case its bad form. The 325th guys have been around awhile. I know the copycats havent broke any rules and they are free to do as they please as paying customers. But ripping off an active AH squad is lame IMO.
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Cobra, you can come to the bish. Ill fly with you:D You can even teach me some of your tricks!
Muttman
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Originally posted by Tilt
I am not so sure its a Biggie really..............
a trifle inpolite may be but more often just ignorance that the name is already in use............ infact copying actual WWII unit names is equally inpolite...... I wonder how many actually asked those units if they could bear such honoured names in a game/sim ............. smells of "wannabeism" to me.
The squad I am in was formed in 96 in AW two other squads of the same name were since formed in WB and one has since moved over here too.
We do not have a problem with this.
Infact its kinda cool and as we both fly for Bish its nice to help each other out.
This has to be one of the most ignorant posts I've et to see in this entire BBS.
I belong to the CAF (Cactus Air Force) which was started 10 years in AW Dos. This is a WWII named squad. They were the 1st Marine Air Wing (MAW) in WWII.
Tilt, shove your "I wanna cookie for being apart of a "made up" named squad" self, up your ***.
Karaya
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Originally posted by o0Stream140o
I was just wondering what the protocol, on duplicate squads? I see that there is now a 325th "Checker Tail" sqaudron in MA. I am not happy with this. I have been a 325th FG "Checkertail Clan" for 3 years and have had my squad in MA for at least 2 of those years...
Stream14
325th VFG
Gentlemen, gentlemen,...
It is a game!
Anyway, easy solution here. If you guys have a problem with this, slug it out between the guys involved! Have a CM setup the SEA arena or do it in the DA. Three out of Five! Publicize the duel widely and discuss rules in a separate thread. It's the best way to settle an argument :D
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*spark*....
*puff*
*Exhale*
anyone for a *cough* toke?
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Originally posted by mechanic
*spark*....
*puff*
*Exhale*
anyone for a *cough* toke?
toke, toke, pass. :aok
Karaya
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Originally posted by DieAz
edit : I just looked at squad score page for tour 12. only 23 squads still active, the rest have been disbanded.
I just looked a squad score page. Total of 62 listed of which 12 are disbanded.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/105score/105sqdranks.pl (http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/105score/105sqdranks.pl)
This link does not list all the squads, ie DOW is ranked, overall, as 116.
SCDR
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There are 522 active MA squads with members.
There are 175 active CT squads with members.
Granted there are squads that are both registered in the MA and CT so there will be duplicates.
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I notice nobody else wants another squad named "The Flying Zoo".
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Rocky road ice cream with almonds. Mmmmmmmmmmm.
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Originally posted by Killjoy2
I notice nobody else wants another squad named "The Flying Zoo".
Karaya2 in the Flying Zoo Two. Gotta a good ring to it.
Karaya
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there's only one squad...
the rest of you are just slobberdonkeys.
:aok
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
It's just bad form to create a squadron that already exists in the game.
ack-ack
For the squads that are "game" based I agree, squads like the Nomads/FTB's/Shillegah/Damned etc have earned an "in game" reputation...to many membership in that ype of squad is a badge of honor. As for the historical squads....while they pay tribute to those who have earned that "badge of honor" in real life often have done little or anything to earn respect within the game. Accordingly I feel that no one group has any "moral" claim to a "name"....unless they've done something to earn it. As for the checkersnails....well my limited exposure to them in the CT branded them as just another bunch of digital dirt movers (which may or not be fair).....
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well my limited exposure to them in the CT branded them as just another bunch of digital dirt movers (which may or not be fair).....
Actually they are a group of guys who share a common intrest in what they want to get out of this game. Always been fun to fly with and respectful to their peers. Brand them that. They have been the Checkertails for a few years, I think they "earned" a claim to their name and have a right to be annoyed that another group uses the same name. I doubt the the other squad did it out of spite, but I can understand the original group being peeved.
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Originally posted by humble
For the squads that are "game" based I agree, squads like the Nomads/FTB's/Shillegah/Damned etc have earned an "in game" reputation...to many membership in that ype of squad is a badge of honor. As for the historical squads....while they pay tribute to those who have earned that "badge of honor" in real life often have done little or anything to earn respect within the game. Accordingly I feel that no one group has any "moral" claim to a "name"....unless they've done something to earn it. As for the checkersnails....well my limited exposure to them in the CT branded them as just another bunch of digital dirt movers (which may or not be fair).....
Ummm...no offense but some of the historical based squads have earned the same reputation as those that you've mentioned. The 479th Fighter Group has been flying for 10 years since it was created back in '94 in Air Warrior and was and still is one of the premiere squadrons. When I was invited to the 479th, it was an honor to be asked to fly with such pilots and that they felt that I could offer them something in return. Most of us in the 479th have been flying together for 6+ years, some even longer. So I would take offense of some one started another 479th squadron in AH.
ack-ack
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I have an idea.
Maybe there should be 2 479th squads.
We'll share AKAK.
You do know how to share....right?
:D
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Ack-Ack....
No slight was intended, your squad (and many others are included in the etc:))....
Slash...
I dont have much respect for the "peers" of the checkersnails either. In fact I think the decline of the CT started with the arrival of the CT based "squads". I found them to be arrogant self righteous and a minimally skilled bunch of gangbangers. Now, I'll be the first to admit that my opinion is based on "old" information and they may very well have evolved to a higher plane of existence...but I kind of doubt it:)....
Theres a reason the CT is down to 10-15 folks or less:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
I have an idea.
Maybe there should be 2 479th squads.
We'll share AKAK.
You do know how to share....right?
:D
Do you find being an sweethunk comes naturally to you or do you have to work at it?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by humble
Slash...
I dont have much respect for the "peers" of the checkersnails either. In fact I think the decline of the CT started with the arrival of the CT based "squads". I found them to be arrogant self righteous and a minimally skilled bunch of gangbangers. Now, I'll be the first to admit that my opinion is based on "old" information and they may very well have evolved to a higher plane of existence...but I kind of doubt it:)....
Theres a reason the CT is down to 10-15 folks or less:rolleyes:
Okay I get it, Now this has turned into name calling and that the 325th started the demise of the CT.
Your right, my squad is nothing more than untalented bunch of gangbangers that have no idea what ACM or Team Tactics are.
This thread was started just to get an idea of what the protocol was on duplicate squads, not one just to flame other people squads.
My squad has never been "to be arrogant self righteous and a minimally skilled bunch of gangbangers". They fly their fight, they way they dictate it.
Slash has flown with us in the CT and TOD, he does know some what how we fly.
Thanks Slash
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Originally posted by o0Stream140o
Okay I get it, Now this has turned into name calling and that the 325th started the demise of the CT.
Your right, my squad is nothing more than untalented bunch of gangbangers that have no idea what ACM or Team Tactics are.
This thread was started just to get an idea of what the protocol was on duplicate squads, not one just to flame other people squads.
My squad has never been "to be arrogant self righteous and a minimally skilled bunch of gangbangers". They fly their fight, they way they dictate it.
Slash has flown with us in the CT and TOD, he does know some what how we fly.
Thanks Slash
You asked a question, I gave you an answer, you dont like it....to bad. I just dont see that you as a squad have earned the right to any type of "name" rights.....just that simple. So....if some other squad wants to be a "checkertail" squad....well I cant see that they're going to hurt anything.
My opinion is based on my actual interaction with both you and your squad in the CT. Personally I find you guys to rank in the bottom 5% of the barrel. Now, as I stated my opinion is based on old (for the most part) experiences....but when I upped in the CT prior to posting my "this is why the CT blows chunks" thread it was the same such bunch of checkersnails flying 12 strong in your little clique pounding the digital dirt....while the "other" CT squad was on the other side of the map doing the same thing:)...
So in summary....
From the perspective of this 10+ year vet you as a squad have done nothing to establish any meaningful positive reputation that enables you to lay any "claim" to the 325th checkertail squad.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Over the life time of the 479th's life time as a virtual squadron, we've gotten nothing but good words from the surviving members of Riddle's Raiders. We've even received a thank you from a Tuskegee pilot that thanked us for keeping this part of history alive.
ack-ack
As a matter of fact some years ago I had the opportunity to speak with Ret. Brig. Gen Robin Olds who was also pleased that we had taken the namesake of his WWII squadron. Absolutely 100% of the time that any of our members have had the honor to speak with an actual pilot from the 479th, or ANY WWII squadron, they have been nothing but honored that we would honor them by remembering their efforts by naming our group after them.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Ummm...no offense but some of the historical based squads have earned the same reputation as those that you've mentioned. The 479th Fighter Group has been flying for 10 years since it was created back in '94 in Air Warrior and was and still is one of the premiere squadrons. When I was invited to the 479th, it was an honor to be asked to fly with such pilots and that they felt that I could offer them something in return. Most of us in the 479th have been flying together for 6+ years, some even longer. So I would take offense of some one started another 479th squadron in AH.
ack-ack
And speaking as the first CO of the squad, going back to Dec. 1994, if you asked the Nomads/FTB's/Shillegah/Damned they will all tell you the same thing :)
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I don't even know you Humble... I have never said 2 words to you in the CT... So ends this conversation.
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I've flown under a bunch of different CPID's....
Again, respect is earned not asked for....and you guys havent earned a thing...end of conversation:)
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Originally posted by reemo
And speaking as the first CO of the squad, going back to Dec. 1994, if you asked the Nomads/FTB's/Shillegah/Damned they will all tell you the same thing :)
And every one of those squads earned the respect (and @#$#@$) of the community as a whole...and each others. It did (and does) mean something to be deemed worthy by any of the above mentioned squads...all of which are "invitation only"....walk the walk....dont mumble the talk.
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Call them what you want but I've always had a blast playing with and against the checkertails. Real professional and friendly bunch of guys. I for one was sorry to see them leave the CT as a whole. I knew when I saw a cloud of death overhead that stream and company were on their way to either save my butt or tear it to shreds :)
But on to the question at hand. I agree with slash that I doubt the other guys chose the squad name with malice intended but maybe it should be discussed, hence, this thread being created in the first place.
I think this is something that can be handled between the two squads as this community generally has to hash things out itself which is a good thing in most respects.
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Originally posted by plank
Call them what you want but I've always had a blast playing with and against the checkertails. Real professional and friendly bunch of guys. I for one was sorry to see them leave the CT as a whole. I knew when I saw a cloud of death overhead that stream and company were on their way to either save my butt or tear it to shreds :)
But on to the question at hand. I agree with slash that I doubt the other guys chose the squad name with malice intended but maybe it should be discussed, hence, this thread being created in the first place.
I think this is something that can be handled between the two squads as this community generally has to hash things out itself which is a good thing in most respects.
They are a great bunch of guys, good natured, friendly and they work as a team with each other as well as with other squads/countrymen. I have never seen or heard any of them attack or speak ill of anyone's character.
I think Stream was just looking for an over all opinion of what the community thought about this before approaching the duplicate squad. No harm in that and no bounderies were crossed.
If a squad has to "earn rights to the squad name/identity" then perhaps half the squads in AH should be disbanded. As far as that goes, perhaps even some CPID's need changed. This, however, is not my way of thinking.
Lambo
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Originally posted by humble
And every one of those squads earned the respect (and @#$#@$) of the community as a whole...and each others. It did (and does) mean something to be deemed worthy by any of the above mentioned squads...all of which are "invitation only"....walk the walk....dont mumble the talk.
Last time I checked The 479th Raiders fit the bill.
You don't here much from us. To Busy tring to walk the walk
We are New to the AH Community but a Squad of Guys who fly an online Sim to last 10 years Kinda speaks for itself.
Don't think we Asked for anyones Respect no do I want it. I just Play a Game and have some fun doing it.
Crims
479th Raiders
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From the perspective of this 10+ year vet you as a squad have done nothing to establish any meaningful positive reputation that enables you to lay any "claim" to the 325th checkertail squad.
After 10 years I would have thought you'd have a clue. Your assesment of the 325th is as off as it gets. You either have them confused with another CT squad or you're full of ****. The are/have been squads in the CT that are more intrested in attacking undefended bases but they are in the minority.
Theres a reason the CT is down to 10-15 folks or less
Has more to do with the change over to AH2 and lack of maps. But keep rolling your eyes.
I upped in the CT prior to posting my "this is why the CT blows chunks" thread it was the same such bunch of checkersnails flying 12 strong in your little clique pounding the digital dirt....while the "other" CT squad was on the other side of the map doing the same thing...
Sounds more like you went in there looking for an excuse to bash the CT on the BBS on whatever you could come up with. Im guessing you were shot down by the 325th and cant get over it.
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Originally posted by crims
Last time I checked The 479th Raiders fit the bill.
You don't here much from us. To Busy tring to walk the walk
We are New to the AH Community but a Squad of Guys who fly an online Sim to last 10 years Kinda speaks for itself.
Don't think we Asked for anyones Respect no do I want it. I just Play a Game and have some fun doing it.
Crims
479th Raiders
Yup....
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Originally posted by Slash27
From the perspective of this 10+ year vet you as a squad have done nothing to establish any meaningful positive reputation that enables you to lay any "claim" to the 325th checkertail squad.
After 10 years I would have thought you'd have a clue. Your assesment of the 325th is as off as it gets. You either have them confused with another CT squad or you're full of ****. The are/have been squads in the CT that are more intrested in attacking undefended bases but they are in the minority.
Theres a reason the CT is down to 10-15 folks or less
Has more to do with the change over to AH2 and lack of maps. But keep rolling your eyes.
I upped in the CT prior to posting my "this is why the CT blows chunks" thread it was the same such bunch of checkersnails flying 12 strong in your little clique pounding the digital dirt....while the "other" CT squad was on the other side of the map doing the same thing...
Sounds more like you went in there looking for an excuse to bash the CT on the BBS on whatever you could come up with. Im guessing you were shot down by the 325th and cant get over it.
Hehe....
90% of the folks who fly the CT seemed to agree with me...they also seem to think your a foul mouthed noob....seems your the primary reason that ch 1 was squelched in the CT....
I used to love the CT, and I hope it comes back strong...
As for "CT squads"....well there is no such thing. Just a bunch of noobs circle jerking on oppisite sides of the map....
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You have confirmed it. You are without a clue. Bordering on a moron actually.
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Originally posted by reemo
And speaking as the first CO of the squad, going back to Dec. 1994, if you asked the Nomads/FTB's/Shillegah/Damned they will all tell you the same thing :)
Psst! 1996 guys, 1996! :) Bout the same time the Nomads got going, just a bit after. Lets not feel any older then we have to!
And just remember who got ya Olds number Reemo :)
How ya doing btw bud?
Dan/Slack
+Tiff looking for his virtual wheelchair
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Originally posted by humble
Hehe....
90% of the folks who fly the CT seemed to agree with me...they also seem to think your a foul mouthed noob....seems your the primary reason that ch 1 was squelched in the CT....
I used to love the CT, and I hope it comes back strong...
As for "CT squads"....well there is no such thing. Just a bunch of noobs circle jerking on oppisite sides of the map....
Well I've flown the CT almost daily for 3 years and I can count on one hand the number of times I've even seen you there. Your coments about Slash and the Checkertails shows just how clueless you are about the goings on in the CT.
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Isn't humble the "veteran" that logged onto the CT one time a while back, got his arse repeatedly waxed, started trash talking everyone became angry with the quick retorts then posted the now locked 3 page thread "why the CT blows chunks"?
You assesment of the 325th is way off base, no one dislikes slash well ok maybe you do but certainly no one else that plays in the CT does. (90% indeed)
I'll go out on a limb here and invite you back to our CT. nothing quite as fun as whacking "old school" "veterans" like yourself. great sport really.
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Originally posted by humble
Hehe....
90% of the folks who fly the CT seemed to agree with me...they also seem to think your a foul mouthed noob....seems your the primary reason that ch 1 was squelched in the CT....
I used to love the CT, and I hope it comes back strong...
As for "CT squads"....well there is no such thing. Just a bunch of noobs circle jerking on oppisite sides of the map....
Are you just making things up as you go along? I mean this is a great story and all, fiction can be fun. I prefer the reference section, much more enlightening.
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Humble, I think you are confusing Slash and Storch. Slash is most deffinately not a noob, and Storch has the sharp tounge.
As far as the 325th goes, they are all pretty classy guys even though I dont share their goal of ultra-realisim, but I do respect them for it. Are you sure you dont have them mixed up with another squad?
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Originally posted by Grits
Humble, I think you are confusing Slash and Storch. Slash is most deffinately not a noob, and Storch has the sharp tounge.
As far as the 325th goes, they are all pretty classy guys even though I dont share their goal of ultra-realisim, but I do respect them for it. Are you sure you dont have them mixed up with another squad?
Bingo Grits....
I did...and for that I apologize to Slash.
As for the 325th. Nope I dont have them confused with anyone. Back when they showed up in the CT they were asked repeatedly to break up and switch sides to "even" things out. They always prefered to simply gangbang the digital dirt (now that might have changed over time).
The CT used to be like a great pick up basketball game....sides and players always changed but the games were always great. The 325th is the straw that changed that in the CT (IMO)...to me just a bunch that couldnt cut it in the MA so they went to the CT.
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Originally posted by plank
Are you just making things up as you go along? I mean this is a great story and all, fiction can be fun. I prefer the reference section, much more enlightening.
hblair....
I just came back from a 1 year hiatus from the game and have been pleasantly surprised by the changes in the game (the much improved AH2, graphics, etc) I've been feelin the hunger lately for some historical stuff and was wanting to check out the CT. But there's rarely anybody in there. What's the deal
oldman...
A question we've all been trying to answer
grits...
Nobody did anything to cause me to quit last night, I just said to myself "WTF do I still play this game for if I dont enjoy it?". This is not the average "I hate this game" thing we all have every so often, this is deeper
eskimo...
Lately, when I’ve logged on to the CT, I’ve just stared at the map for a few minutes. I just can’t bring myself to fly 25 or more miles to find a fight. I’ll usually switch sides to look at the fight from the other side; and I just can’t bring myself to climb to 10K to intercept a con who is still 5K+ above me
slash...
.squelch Storch
Just a few random comments.....
I havent seen 15 people in the CT over the last month EVER...and you tell me its not broken.....Bah....
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Originally posted by storch
Isn't humble the "veteran" that logged onto the CT one time a while back, got his arse repeatedly waxed, started trash talking everyone became angry with the quick retorts then posted the now locked 3 page thread "why the CT blows chunks"?
You assesment of the 325th is way off base, no one dislikes slash well ok maybe you do but certainly no one else that plays in the CT does. (90% indeed)
I'll go out on a limb here and invite you back to our CT. nothing quite as fun as whacking "old school" "veterans" like yourself. great sport really.
I'm easy to find.....
BTW Skuzzy didnt lock that thread based on any comment I made...
As a general rule I dont trash talk anything (everyone has their moments) and tend to recognize quality flying. My last few times in the CT all I saw was two hers of sheep on opposite sides of the map. Anytime someone flew near the horde they got gangbanged....if 1 on alot is getting waxed....well I got waxed.
As for your comment on slash, your correct....I confused you with him.
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Edit: I've taken the bait, tasted it, and now rejected it. I'll swim away quietly now.
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ya know what If you don't want to get "gang banged" don't dive into a squad flying towards an objective. If you don't want to be "verbally abused" don't rag on the guy who kills you after you singlehandedly dive into a group of guys flying together. you started the verbage I will respond just about every time. I seldom start things but I have no problem whatso ever continuing or even escalating them. for a "veteran" you sure do seem to be slow on the uptake. by the way you looked great right up until you went *poof* then you looked better. Done with you.
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ya know what If you don't want to get "gang banged" don't dive into a squad flying towards an objective. If you don't want to be "verbally abused" don't rag on the guy who kills you after you singlehandedly dive into a group of guys flying together
Yup.....
You summed up the CT very nicely.....
Like I said....it blows chunks:(
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Then move on humble. The CT has seen better days true, some of us are trying to make it better. Hopefully we can work it out. And hopefully you can get your story straight as well.